Shadowseeker

Since when..are you supposed to get WP's through trading? À la here you go, 5gold, now give me a WP. There's a few quests which involve that at times, but please..NO. A WP should only be given out whole, especially because of the rating.

My guess is the counter isn't correct... The Winners of the Impossible Maze are: WP #1: Shadowseeker Contact Grido to receive your prize. Astral Project Lazy to screen now.

37 you made a mistake with? Eh? You need 70 AP each, so that would mean a lot of time...

Not as I know of.

Ugh..I had that thought once, but it...seemed wrong. Heck, you using the accounts in those location seemed like you trying to put a fake hint, distracting us even...Guess I think too complicated. But the only thing you gave for sure was the pictures in the Log Room, so here I think that anything else cannot be accounted for. For curiosity: There's no reward at all now? I remember the announce stating there will be some kind of. I would appreciate the puzzle medal myself, but guess that's asking too much for without giving the expected answer.

9? Last numbers I heard always range between 80-120 credits....

Alright, thanks for pointing that out udgard, I edited the topic title. It's about both actually..both WP codes and WP's, however with WP codes I have to admit that the kings do OWN them, so the center is about the WP resulting after this.

4 for gold? You just had to get avatar level 2, which leaving the other items out is 2 $, and the first avatar you pick is for free then, so "almost" 1$ to unlock and 1$ for the avatar.

Sidenote: He likely does make some profit but not huge a lot of it goes into advertising. Actually from what I know Mur is paying for it, not receiving..That's why he needs credits. And yeah Kamisha, this is what I refer to. It's due to the fact that the quests get uneven, so I at times feel like lands basically promise: Hey, as long as you join us, within XX days you shall get a WP. Now if you stay with us more, and talk with me enough, I might even toss in a 2nd, or 3rd: I just need to open a new land specific quest, and it's only like 4 people competing with 3 winning! Quality of entrants partially is poor...but has anyone even wondered why at times? No, it does not have to do with the fact that you just pick a handful of players who can even start at all. Not at all, it isn't it. (heavy sarcasm for anyone who fails to notice)

I prefer the Lei name. Don't ask why, I don't know myself. And are you saying you pay 1 silver to get the coins, or are you really just handing them out for free? That's loads of silver, if 50 people come...

I'm..not sure what you want to say with this post. Is this a random, offtopic post, or are you saying I should go contact apophys? Either way, this is supposed to be about why YOU should get it. I don't see anything regarding that in your post.

Well, the way you say it sounds as if you think cutler is someone who has access to the code....He hasn't though, only to his own clickables. The Broken pattern is entirely seperate from that. As for 4 times, why not just try using firefox once then? Or send the solution to mur and hope he rewards you manually. I'd rather suggest using firefox first though, because that might take very long to happen.

Well, I was around when Sage did that..and told her she shouldn't do it imo. She did it. Let's hear her response though.

The thing with LIVE help is though, that they expect help ASAP..esp seeing as it's newbs, so they often leave if they don't.

Heh, yeah, as I said, 200 silver is enough to wipet he list..issue however is each silver coin has it's own ID I think..so the log system Mur has makes them show up each. I don't think it'll be changed, but if it does, I would suggest cutting the list down to 100 logs or so.

What Firs said pretty much sums it up. You need to convince one of the kings to give you WP it seems. As for yrth, or anyone having taken this as an offensive statement, I apologize if it came across that way: But I'm just wanting to talk about the WP distribution here. It's just that it feels weird to have 4 countries, which seem to run a lot of quests with be a citizen of land X to get a chance at this WP, if there's only 1 or 2 of the people from that land joining in. That's why I suggested a system where the candidate gets a bonus, but not one too high. Perhaps that's also due to my misinformation, but the quests I saw lately seem to shift more and more into this direction.

Well, even so, yrth, about what you said, it was in the announce even: Kings should find their own rules, reasons and methods on how these codes get used. One very important rule is that these codes should not be used "outside the land". If you are a quest creator, you should decide what is your land because you will receive wp reward codes from your King or Queen from now on. From what i read out of it and how the kings acted, I did understand Mur probably said something like that. Still, even with that said, it's just something I personally don't think should be handled the way it is now. I didn't come to you for WP because I didn't need any. We have a handful of creators and questers. Now we split them amongst 4 lands, and the next step? MD as of now has, according to my opinion, less active people than before. Less fresh blood, mainly veterans around. Now if we divide it up more, what is left? If we would have hundred and thousands of players in each land I wouldn't argue now...but imagine a quest, like MasterBs race. How many took part? 7? Even if Mur wanted it like this, I can't help but feel this wasn't the right method to do it, because this way we split the possible quests a person would want to do even more. And Quests have always been part of the culture of MD. This is just to see what everyone feels like, aside from kings, and eventual people who which to stir trouble. If you haven't forgotten, this place is also one to discuss. And here I am, mentioning something I would like to discuss.

Well, even if you say so Firs-- Let's assume you make a quest, and out of the people who take part and finish only one is LR, there is a guaranteed WP for him, even if lets say it is a timebased thing and he comes in last, 10th place out of 10? Just because you were funding it? If I remember that was the clause, but that isn't the purpose of the quests, to reward someone based on their choice, no matter how the other did. I often notice things like: One can only go to a citizen of XXX. You get my point I hope. Then it doesn't turn into a contest of skills anymore, merely of who enters and finishes. Is that still a quest in the original sense, or just a bribed bet, where you bet on horses and suddenly all other racers suddenly collapse before they reach the finish line? It doesn't even matter whether what category it is, I am just talking about some kind of rating: No matter hwat quest you have, you have to have a ranking in order to determine who is supposed to win what. As phantasm says, it is an attempt to give their citizens more WP. But how many of those were earned in a competition they won? And..is it truly still a quest if you want to reward 3 people but only 4 enter? It's another form of discrimination in a sense, one that I can even understand: Every king wants their citizens to get something. But for the quest culture of MD, it is a VERY bad thing, it limits the influx, the amount of quests people can do, and leads to a huge inflation of WP. Are all WP earned that way really the WP they should be? A wishpoint, hard work? I bet if we checked the logs, lots of WP were given out to citizens mainly already, for whatever reason.

Close on request. Sidenote: I think many people don't like the joker than much anymore, due to little value in combat compared to certain other creatures. Still, a joker hits hard.

A lot of quests suddenly seem to have a big restriction, like: Be a citizen of land X and you can win a WP! I rarely see any WP quests which don't include any kind of restriction like that. So why don't you just go ahead and close border, so everyone lives within isolated countries? I don't like the way the rewarding went, and so I have a proposition. The logs of WP should show that as well, that many WP only go to people in the same land, and not to everyone else anymore like they used to. Each of your quests usually has a point reward system, or a set number of clickies. Now my suggestion is: The ones belong to the land whose king is donating the WP get a chance to have a better score, however only slightly. Say you have 11 clickies, then the people from that land can do 9 or 10 clickes (depending on the q writer here) to finish. But they cannot choose which they want to abandon, it's predetermined, AND should not be the hardest..easy to medium perhaps. Or if you work with a maximum score, they get a slight rating score which only comes to use if they are tied with someone else (+2 on a max score with 30, for example, but you ought to publish the logs of your ratings as well), or a chance to get more points: Like, you have 10 items which give 2 points each, you then add one item which can give another 2 points. And that item can be reused for every land which does donate WP to make it possible to get more points. However that clickies shouldn't contain stuff like: "Who is your king" but instead real questions, medium or hard. What do you all think? Giving quests out which reward those who solve it, regardless of any kind of restriction (also called discrimination)..and not starting off heavily by giving people a sure win chance even if they come in last, or a heavy bonus without having done anything. Let everyone work, and people still have a good competition.

Hm..well, Subzeroo isnt active either. And, I hear nothing off this anymore. So, nothing more to be said?

Closing this then since it is all done. This sure upped a lot of people's post count.

You realise it can have an ID like ID:235XXX, right? The ID retains, age doesnt though.

Happy Bday.

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