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Goodbye, and see you again someday!

[quote name='Curiose' timestamp='1296112434' post='78076'] If the caretakers really wanted to do their job, shouldn't they have set up a memorial for -every- veteran, or important, or well known, or whatever player that has crossed MD? I mean... Sure, there are some that have dropped off like flies, but what about Granos? Lifeline? Why did they not get a memorial? As far as I know, Lifeline surely wanted to be written about. Lifeline was, after all, King of Marind Bell. Does that merit him less than Renavoid? Or Granos, one of the best evil villains of MD [from what I read regarding forum posts], surely he must have shed things to light and partaken in important things as well. What gives a single player the right, and self importance of being catered to after death, while some are ignored and therefore, left to the grave? To me this shows favoritism based on the chain of who knows who. According to others, he has had not one, but two memorials? Again, what merits grant him this other than being M.A. and writing some of the AL? There is also the fact that there are some people who do not wish to be remembered. But even so, how do you know unless they come up to you and state: I do not want a memorial. If someone even has to ASK about getting a memorial, again, to me that seems more like an ego boost than a considerate event. *Edit: The two players listed above were the 2 whom were of.. at least some importance, that left MD in my time. I do not know of any other player, and therefore do not use them to argue my point. [/quote] Maybe they haven't got the chance to do more? I mean, how many memorials have they done anyways? Surely not many enough to show that they only do so to people they are "favoriting"? [quote name='phantasm' timestamp='1295519646' post='77757'] So; 1: Who is going to speak and why will they speak? 2: What aspects of Renavoid are you planning on commemorating? As I cannot imagine you to be able to do the whole lot. 3: Are you absolutely certain about the location? What is your motivation for that place, besides being one of the locations where he 'died'. 4: Are you planning on doing this for other legends and is it perhaps not better to get this done in a permanent fashion, par example a memorial hall of fame? And would this not be a better solution in the case of Renavoid suddenly coming back to live.. again? 1. A few of the speakers I hope to be there, and talked to already, will be yrth, dst and firs. I thought the value of kings/queens in this place would be well accepted. I know Mya will be there, and hopefully inno, and many other people who knew or didn't know Ren. With such short timing and me just coming out of the Tribunal a few days ago I only had time to talk to a few. 2. I plan on most aspects to be talked about by speakers who knew him well. This is not just to commemorate his great works, but the person who he was. As MB says, lore is a very difficult thing to deal with in MD. It is often better to remember the personality of friendships and foes. That's as important as the works he did. The affect he had upon others as a person. Those truths are just as valuable. I know a little of his deeds, of course many of us know his works with the AL, and much more I hope to find out as others at this ceremony. I don't pretend to be all knowing in any degree or fashion. I am a noob just like the rest of us in our own ways. 3. The location is a bit more of a temporary spot then a permanent one. Both his "deaths" were at the House, and yes while it is a very ominous place full of sorrow filled pasts, it is still a place of importance. Me, Sephi, and other CTs have wanted to make a "graveyard" so to speak in the Tribunal for some time. Obviously with such turmoil in the Tribunal right now, and my limited amount of acess to its clickies and places, it is quite difficult. 4. [b]Yes, we would like to have a memorial for all legends of old, and new ones too as they arise.[/b] The great hall, where it would look like statue heads would be, obviously would be the prime place for such things, though as to its design only Mur knows. At some point I would like to see it filled with not only such large names at Khal and Ren, but with smaller ones that some newer people don't even know who played such rolls. How many young people now know of Bootes or Blackthorn, or Phrog. I have the memorials from Awiiya's collection and plan to use them to incorparate it all at soem point. (would right more but have to go to work) [/quote] [quote name='phantasm' timestamp='1295873100' post='77949'] so what are you saying Akasha, that no veteran, legend or not, should be remembered? Did Khalazdad or Bootes ever do wrong? We are all only human, and I would like to think we are preserving his personality and how he helped others, as well as his works in the AL. As far as the whole spaceship goes, of course that was a little over the top, and therefore not really detailed much in stories now. Do you mean to say that everything Renavoid did in the AL was wrong? Or just the end, so therefore all the things he did before that are automatically scrapped? Maybe I am confused, but he was Master Archivist for a LONG time for a reason wasn't he? You talk about questions, information, and finding answers. Yet how can the youth attempt to ask questions if they know nothing of the mistakes and triumphs of those of the past? This isn't "LORE" like you always go nuts about every time someone tries to do something involving the past. This is the honest discussion of who Renavoid was to many of us. He DID play a major part in the AL for a long time. He DID impact alot of people in both the positive and negative way. He WAS/IS one of the oldest veterans that stuck around for a long time, no matter how many times he "died". He DID write, with the help of others, songs that were a positive impact on MD as a whole. [b]The CT's plan on doing more memorials like the one for Renavoid[/b]. They aren't to "dissillusion" the past, but to let us, and future players, see what kind of people played MD before them. When Khalazdad or Bootes, or Phrog, or a Johns come up is this going to be a reoccurring moment of your, to "scrap the past and move on with the future"? I know for many facts that it isn't the way it happens in society. Half the reasons any society has and kind of good left in it, is from heros, legends, books, and stories of the past. We are not "making up ancient lore" like Hey Tribunal was built by aliens who liked to play Checkers. We gathered around and told our reflections on a REAL character in MD who affected MANY MANY people. [/quote]

I'm with dst here, I like the new avy, but I'm just too used to your usual old man avy =\

While I agree that it's a good plus if people try not to have conflicting schedules with what has already been done, I don't feel that it is a must or that people should be labeled discourteous for not doing so. Of course, if as Pip says, the person does it in purpose so it overlaps with the event, then it is clearly a discourteous act, one that could easily be meant to provoke. If the venue used is also the same, then it's certainly quite offending.. However, most of the time a schedule is chosen because it is the most convenient time for the organizers and the intended audience. If the audience overlaps, it's quite likely inevitable that the preferred schedule is the same. If so, I don't see any problem if they end up setting a similar timing. This is especially true in MD, when weekends are probably the only time when most people are available, as timezone differences will make it hard to pull off events on weekdays. I personally don't see anyone as having a right to monopolize the timing. As much as the late organizers should not tell the ones who have been doing things regularly to back off and change their dates, I don't think the regular ones should either. Both events hold significance to their organizers, and I don't think it's right for one to tell the other off so they can have theirs. To do so is akin to saying their stuff is superior to the other's, and it's something neither side should do. I don't think being already done regularly makes them somehow more superior, and neither does doing something new.

Happy birthday!

Happy birthday poe

That'd be great, please =)

Reminds me.. I haven't been able to find this rule on in-game announcement. Is this a forum-only rule (to cut the amount of real cash transfers), or a game wide rule? I'm assuming the latter, but it doesn't seem that the rule has been properly announced in-game (unless I somehow miss it, of course).

Selamat ulang tahun!

[quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' timestamp='1294437440' post='77067'] Sorry if you feel this was personal, it wasn't, it was a general statement using your quote as an example. Of course the general statement itself did include you, but you seem to have taken it as if it was just meant as a dig at you an nobody else - it was meant for a vast number of people, not just you. I am aware of what a debate is, but thanks for defining it partially for me just in case I wasn't, I will add your referrence to the front of my dictionary for future reference just in case I ever lose the page. [/quote] I didn't take it as a dig at me and no one else, as with the amount of neg reps flying around, it was certain that it couldn't have been just one person. It did include me though, and I thought I'd clear my position on the thing, since I don't entirely enjoy the notion that I am doing what I think should be done -discussing- and was instead being used as the example for the thing I am not doing -neg repping people who voice their opinion-. I'm merely checking if I have the same definition of discussion as everyone else have, since I'm being used as an example to say people should be discussing, when I thought that was exactly what I'm doing. [quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' timestamp='1294437440' post='77067'] What I said about your definition of these "illusions" still stands. Quoting it again makes no odds to what I said on the matter. How is it an illusion? because the players themselves aren't MP5 and can't comment therefore? [/quote] I'm quoting it again since it seems that my statement didn't come through clearly. I said it is just an illusion when people think [b]all mp5 want is for mp3/4 to move up so they can pound them down[/b]. To which you said you think they're right and you've done testing on it. How do you do tests on that? Give a questionnaire to mp5 about what they want? Observing and trying to read their minds? I don't think that's what you mean, so of course I think you were talking about something else here? I'm not saying that all their opinions are just deluded illusions, but I do think that the whole sentiment of "[b]let's not go to mp5, everyone there is just a monster waiting for us to click the wrong button "advance to mp5" so they can eat us up[/b]" is just an illusion. One that is constantly reinforced by people keep that keeps saying mp5 is a hell that fresh mp5s will never ever be able to survive and going there is the end of your character's career, thus leading to the thought that if people are trying to suggest something, it is just so they can get new food.

Happy birthday bun buns.

[quote name='Ravenstrider' timestamp='1294402159' post='77024'] But one thing is different: No protection on mp5... And most can't handle it... That's what's different... And, no, I don't believe it's a joke, it's just that people get used to one form of training and then, pow, mp5 and it's a different story... And they go: Oh, darn... I'm not protected any more... [/quote] Why would people need protection anyways? Put a dummy rit and they can't do much to harm you. Or is it that the protected training system on mp3/4 is another root of the problem?

[quote name='Kafuuka' timestamp='1294338639' post='76981'] Rubish. There is no statement anywhere that says you are supposed to become mp5 at all, let alone that you are supposed to 'only stay mp4 for a while', whatever the heck a while might be defined as. I think the most official statement by Mur is 'not everybody has the patience to reach mp5', but my memory isn't all that good. [/quote] Sorry, my wording is not complete there( EDIT: Now that I read it again, I did write a complete wording. If you check the one sentence from that paragraph that you left out of the quote, it does show that the statement was directed to those who do plan to go to MP5, just taking overextended preparation). I'm saying that people who do focus on combat are not supposed to stay mp3/4 forever, trying to be kings of mp3/4 and pound on the 'newbies' there. Unless I have a wrong conclusion as to why February and mp5 alts' actions were frowned upon. And people who do stay on mp4 to prepare for the so-called mp5 hell is not supposed to stay there longer than they need to age their creatures, since the longer you stay, the farther the gap in stats there will be, which defeats the purpose of "preparation". Maybe it's just me, but my understanding is many people don't want to move to mp5 for fear of the so-called pounding and tries to stay longer on mp4 to make themselves stronger. However there is really never enough time to prepare, since the longer you prepare the farther the gap actually is. Just stay long enough to age your creatures and move on. Nowadays it's more like "most people has the patience [u]not [/u]to reach mp5." Of course, some people do not focus on combat and stay on mp4 for reasons other than pounding on younger players or a millenium preparation to survive mp5, and I don't see anything wrong with them staying mp3/4 forever. [quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' timestamp='1294354739' post='76992'] Of course people want to age their crits before levelling. If you were new now, I'm sure you would too. All this "supposed to" and "not supposed to" is making my head hurt. [/quote] I would age my creatures, but I don't think I will wait a year on mp4 just to have a maxed angien. Its huge age requirement strikes me as meaning that a maxed one is a creature you're gonna have at a later stage of your gameplay, not something that you are supposed to wait a year for before you can advance to the next stage of the game. Without being maxed, I do think that angiens are powerful enough. [quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' timestamp='1294354739' post='76992'] Look at HeHelpedMe here, getting negged for not understanding. Ridiculous. He is one of the only lower AD lower MP people giving comment. He should be listened to and discussed with. His opinion is more valuable because he is actually in the group that is supposedly trying to be helped. If you actually want to help, work with people like him, he is the target population supposedly being supported by this initiative and he opposes it. [/quote] I'm listening to what he's saying, and I haven't thrown a single rep in this thread yet. I'm giving my opinion (that's discussion I believe, exchanging opinions) that his thought that [quote]Mp3 and mp4 just need to quickly get to mp5 and be farmed and grinded into cat food by the "vets".[/quote] is in my opinion incorrect. I'm in the opinion that there is an overly blown up myth that in mp5 everyone is a monster and fresh mp5s can not do anything other than being maimed. Which is why I said it's not like there is much a "vet" can do to really hurt a fresh mp5 by crushing their tree rit. I might be old, but from 3 years here the last time I seriously trained was.. 2 years ago? My stats are comparable to an mp4, my highest lv angien is lv 3 and most mp4 nowadays would easily be able to defeat me. Being that, I think I understand what a fresh mp5 would experience, and thus my opinion that "fresh mp5 cannot do anything other than being grinded into cat food" is an overblown myth. Back then before tokens fix, yes I'd agree that mp5 was a whole mess of a hell. Right now I think it has been much better. [quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' timestamp='1294354739' post='76992'] These "illusions" you speak of are the voices of those that are supposedly trying to be aided. So listen and work with them. Even I think they are right, I've done testing on it and I have come to the conclusion that they are correct - but I'm not foolish enough to think that I really understand fully because no matter how much testing I do, I the player am a vet of the game and they are not. [/quote] The illusions I'm talking about is this: [quote]Mp3 and mp4 just need to quickly get to mp5 and be farmed and grinded into cat food by the "vets".[/quote] [quote]I think lately there has been to many illusions of "mp5s/vets only wanting to get more people to move up so they can pound them"[/quote] I think it's untrue that you can only be food and unable to do grow or do anything as a "non vet". I'm living the life of a fresh mp5 everyday, and the results of my "testing" is that even fresh mp5s can survive in mp5.

[quote name='HeHelpedMe' timestamp='1294285609' post='76923'] I wasn't supposed to post any message in this section again, but... I still care about what happens to MD so here goes. I strongly dislike the idea of that kind of requirement. I don't have any alts myself and I'm not going to create one ever. I have only my main account and that's really enough. And that should be enough for most of the players. In my opinion, the true problem which leads to alt abuse is the existence of alts. Seriously, how many alts were actually meant for creating another character for role playing needs? 10 percent? Doubt it, probably even less. All the rest is used for storing additional creatures, goofing around and for all kinds of so called "alt abuse". And now you're planning to mess up the gameplay even more with those restrictions. So me and many other players at mp3 and mp4 levels, who don't have alts and don't abuse any MD rules will have to face the consequences. [b]All the bored mp5s who send their drachs and other monstrosities to their mp3/mp4 alts will be fine, as their mp5 main won't face any restrictions.[/b] I'm at mp4 and don't want to progress to mp5. I have few Angiens which were obtained legally and I put a lot of time and effort into training them. And now me and other players who don't have any alts are going to be punished with severe creature downgrade because of abuse done by others? Excellent... I've noticed that most of the ideas and changes are only mp5 friendly. [b]Mp3 and mp4 just need to quickly get to mp5 and be farmed and grinded into cat food by the "vets".[/b] [/quote] In response to the bolded statements: I believe the reason the requirements was proposed works two ways: to prevent alts to get monstrous creatures, and to discourage non-alts to stay too long. Alt or no alt, no one is supposed to stay on mp3/mp4 for prolonged time just to get strongest there. MP5 is the fighting stage, people are allowed to stay long on mp3/mp4, but it is not meant to be a fighting stage. People who stay there for prolonged time mostly has two reasons: either they are not focused on the combat aspect of MD, or they want to be kings of mp3/4. The first one, I don't think will object much to the proposed requirements, and for the second: mp3/4 is not a combat stage and you're not supposed to stay there with godlike creatures/stats to pound on newbies anyways. There is the third one: people who stay there to prepare for the mp5 jungle, but then again that is the reason for the requirements. You're supposed to stay mp4 just for a while, to age/upgrade some creatures to prepare for mp5. Once you've aged your creatures, go and move on to mp5. And no, people are not supposed to wait for their angiens to have max age before going mp5.. I think lately there has been to many illusions of "mp5s/vets only wanting to get more people to move up so they can pound them". The thing is, staying mp3/mp4 for eternity won't help people prepare to fight the "vets". People at mp5 has access to much faster stat growth than an mp3/4 can ever hope for, so the longer people stay there, the wider the gap between power they will have. And really, what can those so called vets do to pound on fresh mp5s that has actual consequence to those fresh ones? Combat losses are needed for balance, and tree rits easily prevent damage to your main army.

Happy b'day, and don't be bored today =b

Not to mention that we just had Christmas. Some people get 40k xp on each crit, multiply that by 16 and the christmas bonus alone is higher than the mp3 cap.

Happy b'day Rena (bet no one calls you that anymore )

Thanks, that clears things up.

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[quote name='Curiose' timestamp='1293740068' post='76399'] Allow me to restate myself: http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/8576-will-work-for/page__pid__74464#entry74464 THEY WERE CHRISTMAS GIFTS FOR HARD WORK. It has already been validated. And if this is how people are going to behave, then I might as well toss Story Night to the shitter then, eh? Is that what the people want, just because the people that help with it get rewarded ONCE a year? Edit: Mur knows fully well what they did for it, and I stated what they did. I thought the reason would be more valid than simply stating: Christmas Gift. No one knew about it except for Mur and a few others. It was supposed to be a surprise, and no , I was not expecting Wishpoints in the end result. [/quote] Before I continue, let me make clear that I'm talking about the WP you give, not the one you receive. WPs are NOT gifts, unless Mur are giving them as gifts himself (or via others he told to do so). They are rewards, not gifts. So I'm probably not going to complain if they were given as reward for [u]hard work[/u], but I definitely will since the stated reason is "gift" and "reward for [u]sponsoring[/u]". You said yourself that no one gets WP for sponsoring story night, but that is not what is written on the WP reason, so I think it's perfectly normal that people are questioning it. I've asked before on Chewett's mood panel if by "validated" you mean Mur has given a yes to give WPs as reward for sponsoring story night, so is this the case? Once you've confirmed that things should be clear. And don't take this as personal attack on you or the story night, but some people do not ignore it when WPs does not seem to be given appropriately. Ud

1 SW and 1 sharptear for the rein?

Or we can try to make the "every noob can beat any veteran with the right rit" part of MD come back again.

[quote name='Kafuuka' timestamp='1293633731' post='76273'] Transferring creatures to an alt is considered alt abuse I thought? An mp3 alt created with the purpose of bashing newbies would need either an accomplice who gives powerful things for free, or a large amount of coins and/or credits to trade with. Without MAGIC they'd still have to train those creatures. Afaik only a select amount of people can magicize, so that should be entirely under control. Trade logs can be monotored too. [/quote] AFAIK alt abuse is making alts simply to benefit your main. Transferring creatures from mains to alts does not seem like alt abuse to me, unless it is done only to age them and send them back to the main.

Thanks, and merry Christmas Mur!

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