Aeoshattr

FINALLY some feedback, its very very valuable for me, thanks, please continue

not able to delete outgoing messsages
tried to click on PM and delete it from inside; tried to delete it, selecting it and after click on cancel messages another bug...
sometimes when I get a PM, after that, I get old automated PMs that you get when a player join your alliance.

I need this info: How many you gather approximately in one week? (only if you gather any of that sort)
 
I hope now its more clear. I need this info from as many people as possible

Hi Blackshade. I did send you a PM, as you asked, but for the sake of clarity and transparency, I'll post here briefly.

1. Yes, I don't feel particularly proud for having potentially "won a WP" with only 2 participants. I don't think it should be a general thing to award WPs where there are few competitors. A counterexample would be dst's Fry Your Eyes 2 quest, where I was the only participant and dst decided to award the WP, as she didn't mention it depended on the number of entries. I think that was the reasoning behind it. Which brings point 2:
2. You did not say the prizes will change if there are not enough participants. You did not say you required a minimum of 3 for the WP to be awarded.
3. A Sharptear is usually worth 1G max, based on recent auctions (that you can find by searching "sharptear" in the search box. I've found prices ranging from 3SC to 1 GC). And since it's a totem and I have 0 fenths, it would actually cost me to obtain anything from it.
So I'm being given less of a reward for (in my opinion) way more effort put into participation that Aethon. Not meant as an offense, Aethon.

As a consequence: Please donate the sharptear totem to the Treasure Keepers, on my behalf. It would actually cost me coin in addition to the time I spent on the quest to get anything out of it.

Since my name has been brought into this I must come into MD and reply... Thanks to those who mentioned this thread to me
>Like you said you didn't take part. So **** off.
*sighs*
>I had already spoken to chewett about this and came to a conclusion.
The discussion was short and went along the lines of blackshade thinking he shouldnt give one and me pointing out he had clearly decided on. I dont know how much effort was involved in the quest nor did I have time to investigate myself.
>A counterexample would be dst's Fry Your Eyes 2 quest, where I was the only participant and dst decided to award the WP, as she didn't mention it depended on the number of entries
dst and I discussed the reasoning for rewarding a WP to the only participant and we agreed that since you worked hard on the quest you deserved the WP. Not because she didnt add a caveat to the reward.

Hi Blackshade. I did send you a PM, as you asked, but for the sake of clarity and transparency, I'll post here briefly.

1. Yes, I don't feel particularly proud for having potentially "won a WP" with only 2 participants. I don't think it should be a general thing to award WPs where there are few competitors. A counterexample would be dst's Fry Your Eyes 2 quest, where I was the only participant and dst decided to award the WP, as she didn't mention it depended on the number of entries. I think that was the reasoning behind it. Which brings point 2:
2. You did not say the prizes will change if there are not enough participants. You did not say you required a minimum of 3 for the WP to be awarded.
3. A Sharptear is usually worth 1G max, based on recent auctions (that you can find by searching "sharptear" in the search box. I've found prices ranging from 3SC to 1 GC). And since it's a totem and I have 0 fenths, it would actually cost me to obtain anything from it.
So I'm being given less of a reward for (in my opinion) way more effort put into participation that Aethon. Not meant as an offense, Aethon.

As a consequence: Please donate the sharptear totem to the Treasure Keepers, on my behalf. It would actually cost me coin in addition to the time I spent on the quest to get anything out of it.

Hi Blackshade. I did send you a PM, as you asked, but for the sake of clarity and transparency, I'll post here briefly.

1. Yes, I don't feel particularly proud for having potentially "won a WP" with only 2 participants. I don't think it should be a general thing to award WPs where there are few competitors. A counterexample would be dst's Fry Your Eyes 2 quest, where I was the only participant and dst decided to award the WP, as she didn't mention it depended on the number of entries. I think that was the reasoning behind it. Which brings point 2:
2. You did not say the prizes will change if there are not enough participants. You did not say you required a minimum of 3 for the WP to be awarded.
3. A Sharptear is usually worth 1G max, based on recent auctions (that you can find by searching "sharptear" in the search box. I've found prices ranging from 3SC to 1 GC). And since it's a totem and I have 0 fenths, it would actually cost me to obtain anything from it.
So I'm being given less of a reward for (in my opinion) way more effort put into participation that Aethon. Not meant as an offense, Aethon.

As a consequence: Please donate the sharptear totem to the Treasure Keepers, on my behalf. It would actually cost me coin in addition to the time I spent on the quest to get anything out of it.

Hi Blackshade. I did send you a PM, as you asked, but for the sake of clarity and transparency, I'll post here briefly.

1. Yes, I don't feel particularly proud for having potentially "won a WP" with only 2 participants. I don't think it should be a general thing to award WPs where there are few competitors. A counterexample would be dst's Fry Your Eyes 2 quest, where I was the only participant and dst decided to award the WP, as she didn't mention it depended on the number of entries. I think that was the reasoning behind it. Which brings point 2:
2. You did not say the prizes will change if there are not enough participants. You did not say you required a minimum of 3 for the WP to be awarded.
3. A Sharptear is usually worth 1G max, based on recent auctions (that you can find by searching "sharptear" in the search box. I've found prices ranging from 3SC to 1 GC). And since it's a totem and I have 0 fenths, it would actually cost me to obtain anything from it.
So I'm being given less of a reward for (in my opinion) way more effort put into participation that Aethon. Not meant as an offense, Aethon.

As a consequence: Please donate the sharptear totem to the Treasure Keepers, on my behalf. It would actually cost me coin in addition to the time I spent on the quest to get anything out of it.

Hi Blackshade. I did send you a PM, as you asked, but for the sake of clarity and transparency, I'll post here briefly.

1. Yes, I don't feel particularly proud for having potentially "won a WP" with only 2 participants. I don't think it should be a general thing to award WPs where there are few competitors. A counterexample would be dst's Fry Your Eyes 2 quest, where I was the only participant and dst decided to award the WP, as she didn't mention it depended on the number of entries. I think that was the reasoning behind it. Which brings point 2:
2. You did not say the prizes will change if there are not enough participants. You did not say you required a minimum of 3 for the WP to be awarded.
3. A Sharptear is usually worth 1G max, based on recent auctions (that you can find by searching "sharptear" in the search box. I've found prices ranging from 3SC to 1 GC). And since it's a totem and I have 0 fenths, it would actually cost me to obtain anything from it.
So I'm being given less of a reward for (in my opinion) way more effort put into participation that Aethon. Not meant as an offense, Aethon.

As a consequence: Please donate the sharptear totem to the Treasure Keepers, on my behalf. It would actually cost me coin in addition to the time I spent on the quest to get anything out of it.

Hi Blackshade. I did send you a PM, as you asked, but for the sake of clarity and transparency, I'll post here briefly.

1. Yes, I don't feel particularly proud for having potentially "won a WP" with only 2 participants. I don't think it should be a general thing to award WPs where there are few competitors. A counterexample would be dst's Fry Your Eyes 2 quest, where I was the only participant and dst decided to award the WP, as she didn't mention it depended on the number of entries. I think that was the reasoning behind it. Which brings point 2:
2. You did not say the prizes will change if there are not enough participants. You did not say you required a minimum of 3 for the WP to be awarded.
3. A Sharptear is usually worth 1G max, based on recent auctions (that you can find by searching "sharptear" in the search box. I've found prices ranging from 3SC to 1 GC). And since it's a totem and I have 0 fenths, it would actually cost me to obtain anything from it.
So I'm being given less of a reward for (in my opinion) way more effort put into participation that Aethon. Not meant as an offense, Aethon.

As a consequence: Please donate the sharptear totem to the Treasure Keepers, on my behalf. It would actually cost me coin in addition to the time I spent on the quest to get anything out of it.

Hi Blackshade. I did send you a PM, as you asked, but for the sake of clarity and transparency, I'll post here briefly.

1. Yes, I don't feel particularly proud for having potentially "won a WP" with only 2 participants. I don't think it should be a general thing to award WPs where there are few competitors. A counterexample would be dst's Fry Your Eyes 2 quest, where I was the only participant and dst decided to award the WP, as she didn't mention it depended on the number of entries. I think that was the reasoning behind it. Which brings point 2:
2. You did not say the prizes will change if there are not enough participants. You did not say you required a minimum of 3 for the WP to be awarded.
3. A Sharptear is usually worth 1G max, based on recent auctions (that you can find by searching "sharptear" in the search box. I've found prices ranging from 3SC to 1 GC). And since it's a totem and I have 0 fenths, it would actually cost me to obtain anything from it.
So I'm being given less of a reward for (in my opinion) way more effort put into participation that Aethon. Not meant as an offense, Aethon.

As a consequence: Please donate the sharptear totem to the Treasure Keepers, on my behalf. It would actually cost me coin in addition to the time I spent on the quest to get anything out of it.

Just a brief thing:
The Drachorn inside the cave may not even be "real". Look at the places where you recruit other creatures: 
War Hold looks similar to a Lorerootian Archer. Aramory looks similar to an Aramor Necrovian Priest looks similar to the Unholy Pope. Gravestone in graveyard looks like a corpse is trying to crawl out - Tormented Soul It is just a place where it is easier to form a memory, a mental imprint of a Drachorn, not necessarily a real Drachorn. The chains and its struggle could simply be symbolic.
Not to mention, it's the tiny men that keep it bound down, not the 'players'.

Hmm...  At the moment the thoughts are vaguely there and I will try my best to explain them clearly.
 
Creatures as a concept of being bound to us:
Creatures recruited and are bound to us to fight battles that we personally can not be apart of. The creatures represent certain traits of ourselves that we are all capable of. When we sacrifice the creatures, we get back a little of those traits to ourselves and at times building block of reality are collected... the bits of the essence of that bond. Creatures create items, because they take on a living form based off of the bond. They consume and create. They reach a level not otherwise obtainable on their own. Grasans and the newer creature Molimas. 
 
The Elu is a bit different, it can not be added to the fights. It eats candy and produces paper. And it is not bound in a normal way. It is free, or more free in a sense. 
 
Creature trading, is basically giving up apart of yourself to another and a person changes based on the creatures they mainly deal with. 
 
So by obtaining the drachorns to free them, you are imprisoning them. Keeping them from growing and experiencing the world around them. When perhaps you should be finding ways to increase the bond or connection to the physical plane to bring them to an awareness or free them through experience. 
 
For example, you have a rider... She does not control you and is not your master. The same could be said for those that have drachorns. It is not as though people are sacrificing the drachorns and spilling their blood. The drachorns have a value that some other creatures do not. Drachorns have a level of respect, one that you seem to lack. 
 
You see them as a creature needing protection, to be guarded from the nasty humans/people. The drachorns are capable to handle things themselves and continue to experience the world through the connections they hold with people. To imprison them in one being would be a fate worst than death. Especially one that would refuse them the opportunity to experience the world. 
 
The only other way to free them would be similar to the empty aramors... to have them wander aimlessly unable to do more than walk the lands... devoid of life except in rare instances. 
 
Though if such a thing were to occur... the drachorns... upon being attacked... would disappear from that person's touch. Slowly moving towards oblivion. An interesting occurrence, though one I doubt you would want. 
 
--Assira the Black
 
edit: Just realized that what I posted is similar to what Syrian has posted in the other topic on heaven... So I support what she has said. 
 
 
 

I think the system works fine as it is. It's a bit silly, sure, but surely so was regular loyalty gain? You'd gain it wherever you were when the daily tick happened. Didn't matter how much time you spent on what land. I don't think it's something that is worth over-complicating.

I think the system works fine as it is. It's a bit silly, sure, but surely so was regular loyalty gain? You'd gain it wherever you were when the daily tick happened. Didn't matter how much time you spent on what land. I don't think it's something that is worth over-complicating.

As per ann 2804, and taking into account that item and creature creation are actually a thing now, I was wondering if perhaps it is the time for the Volition stat to actually have a use implemented?
The announcement suggests that volition could have to do with item creation, but it doesn't detail it itself. Should this be discussed? Are there any plans for it in the foreseeable future? Most I could find on the forums were discussion about the amount of volition that should/shouldn't be gained or how the stat itself should/shouldn't be gained, not about what it should actually do.
Maybe it would work in a way like the gathering/crafting skills and allow you to obtain multiple items from a resource combiner, for the same amount of base resources? Say, after 1000 volition, there's a chance of obtaining 2 Memory Tablets for 20 Memory Stones, instead of only 1 tablet.

My idea of very easy resources to obtain are as follows: Water, Plants, and Branches/Lumber. I am not much for gathering three days straight but I can say three days to me might be (if optimal conditions) 100 water, 50-60 plants, 50/100 of Lumber/Branches. (but then again compared to the Molima these numbers are low :P) 
Due to its name Aqua? (which I have questions) means water related, and I know what it looks like, I say it should produce moss. By consuming rainwater (versus regular water).
I think there could be extensive users for moss. In the past, mosses were used as an easily obtainable and multi-purpose packaging material.  Wads of mosses were used to line pits, probably for the storage of vegetables, and also as stuffing for bedding, along with bracken and straw. Also used sometimes as an antiseptic (could be used with some kind of healing role)
Just thoughts

I am about to release one of the long time unreleased crits, the Aqua (waterbeing) ID 23
Currently there is only one player that has it and an other one that keeps it in a Bestiary
The crit is a Loreroot crit, maybe a golemus crit? Idk yet
The crit should be very easy to obtain by combining the resoruces obtained in about 3 days of gathering. Let me know here what means for you 3 days of gathering and what is in your opinion the best place for recruiting this crit.
Also what do you suggest it should be able to do?
 
 

while it may be the best you can do, its not a solution, you would not be freeing them you would just be taking them

I see your point your right Aeo. I was adding the time wrong. But yeah that makes a lot more sense. Thanks Aeo

While I understand if you wish to preserve the value and the rarity of drachorns, I really don't get this freedom/slavery concept.
Creatures in MD are not like pets, they are more like memories, virtual forms filled with our own will and bound to our spirit. Recruiting places are where merging with such a creature's form/memory is easier.
So what you're calling liberation, sounds to me like oblivion.. You seem to be aiming at concentrating their memories into one person, while the others - the unworthy - should forget about them. Do I make sense?
Regarding fighting/grinding/forcing drachorns into countless battles: would you consider turning drachorns into totems a better option?

OOC:
As per this topic, and also counting all species of the Drachorn family as the drachorns you are speaking about (since you're not being specific), here are the numbers; these are ALL the creatures of this type that currently exist in MD (at least at the time the topic was posted), unrelated to activity of the account.
Wind Dragons (ID 1): 135
'GG' Drachorns (ID 24): 469
RustGold Drachorns (ID 34): 448
ReinDrachs (ID 38): 257
As far as I am aware, you talk (or ought to talk) about GG Drachorns, since Reins and Rustys are from the item shop. I don't think that 469 gg drachs in the entire of MD, including old, inactive accounts is such a huge number. I don't think the general consensus is that GG Drachorns are common or cheap. 
 

i thought that value was in seconds? No? that should make it roughly 40 days.

grreetings little ones
as you have seen the Drachorn Master has stepped back from controling the drachorns' fate to controling you little ones' fate so a vacancy arose.
(https://magicduel.com/page/Announcement/view/4044)
I, Draconas step up to fill this place.
when the drachorn master called for an apprentice i was one of the few to agree to the task, and over time i was the only one remaining, the last Lair keeper aside the current master, you can see his question here: 
and read my application towards the role here:
my views on how to fulfill this role havent changed much on this short time, i will still seek freedom for my people should i receive this role. this is why i will stil persist on becoming a drachorn king rather than a master, i shall not have slaves under my command, only followers. i see many ways to obtain this freedom.
My first step towards this is to focus on creating a drachorn haven, anyone who wishes so can free their drachorn from slavery and hand them to me, i will take good care of them and rest assured they will not have to face any more battles for as long as they are in my care, only those that prove they are worthwhile would receive the gift of a mighty drachorn.
i know i have slept a lot over the last moons, but i intend to change that and be available more so the role would not just be a name
Burns has told me some bits of what a drachorn master is and has helped to prepare me to fill his spot one day, but alongside his information i will follow my own path on what the future of the drachorns is.
any questions or notes can be forwarded to me and i will be happy to answer them
Draconas
Lair Keeper
aspiring Drachorn King

You state with regards to your Drachorn Haven that you will be taking them off the market to protect them.
A big part, besides the acting of the role, is distribution of the Drachorn Tokens. Within the Lair is the option to collect Drachorns if you have a token.
How do you reconcile the distribution of Tokens, and the preventing further cruelty to the Drachorns? Seeing as the distribution of them could lead to people acquiring Drachorns, which you state as cruelty to them.