Kamisha

One of the things lawyers attempt to do is end a dispute before it enters a court house. Using a mediator a final settlement is found outside of the court house thus saving the court allot of money (time in this case) and maybe even turn out as beneficial to both parties. In light of recent events and the new "Day of absurdly blind justice" taking place right now I think is about time that we try to settle some cases outside of the court house before people start getting suspended. Since I don't believe that anybody will be willing to settle a court dispute outside of court when the "Day of absurdly blind justice" is in full swing this will activate on day 293 in order to try free up some space for more serious lawsuits. I plan to act as a mediator if my services are needed please contact me via PM. This service is entirely free as I have already been doing it in some of the earlier filed suits.

Besides if an agreement is not reached or the opponent does not honor the agreement you can just sue them after and mur can use his powers to hand it over.

The hope is we can keep the court house free of cases so that a day like this doesn't have to be rescheduled in order to clean all of these topics up in a quick and dirty way where some things may be overlooked.

Oh yes a few things to look over before bringing something to my attention:
-I can not provide a jail time this I will not accept that jail should be an option.
-Mediation can only end in an agreed settlement since I cant force something to be handed over.
-In the case of stolen items the ultimate result should be the return of that item (perhaps a fee may be added if the return of that item is not returned immediately).
-The mediation verdict must be honored. If failed to be completed within a week the mediation will become a lawsuit.

I have finally got my final wish point for getting to 1000 active days (I know its late considering [This account was opened on (DD.MM.YYYY H:M): 30.09.2007 05:53] but that's besides the point). Now usually I would use this wishpoint inside the wishpoint shop and use it on a generic spell (which I would rarely use) or I could use on getting the ability to code multiple objects (which I don't have the patience to re-learn [I know its simple though my knowledge of coding has died over the years]) or I could use it on research points (which is a feature I don't believe is supported or any more or if it is very poorly. Anyways moving on you want me to get to the centre of the matter.
 
A less generic choice is try to create a record but my proposition is different from the archivists. I don't want a generic record of what has happened in the realm. I want to create a collection of the people in the realm. Most of Magic Duel revolves around the people who shaped the world. When Magic Duel was first created it was empty baron a clean slate. That was part of the charm the lure the fact that until the first person logged in and before the first words where spoke and before the first action was made the magic duel world was no more complicated from the wooden box you where plucked from to enter creation. It was that sum of people that made magic duel what it is today. Thus the title the Sum of Creation The Sum of the people who created Magic Duel. 
 
Though there is a small hiccup it is called a K document Collection for a reason. It is a collection of document to make a sort of digital library of sorts so although I am supplying the first wishpoint and the first document (in the next 1-2 months the world has changed allot since I started writing it) I need backers other than myself. Though it is important that the documents follow the theme. If haven't made it clear yet it is the people in magic duel. Not theories about the land not how this place was create not the lands opening order and not a chronological order of events from the beginning to now (and quite possibly the future [you never know]) but the people as you see them. To make things a little more clear some people in magic duel will remember that I was representing the University of Winnipeg when I was writing an ethnography. An ethnography for those who don't know is a study of the relationship between people and a study on culture and relating it to your own experience and explanation. Basically that is what I am looking for is a collection of  documents from people revealing there views on the culture of magic duel and the people inside it.
 
Before you decide to sign up a few things to keep in mind:
 
1) Your document must follow the basic theme. You can make assumptions and use dates all the things I said you should not but it has to directly support the source material. If it doesn't add substance its just pulp that should be strained out.
 
2) Political views in the world should be redacted. I do not want a whole bunch of LR praise and Necro bashing in the other or vice-versa (one of the reasons I stay in no mans land). This is your view directly on individuals not an entire group. I am not telling you to break character but I will tell you to keep your politics out of it.
 
3) This is an ongoing work so it would be wise to update your document from time to time since world does change frequently.
 
4) Since this is a select work not all submissions will be accepted. I will be requiring a sample of your work privately or publicly to make a decision its your choice how you present it.
 
5) The spelling and grammatical errors in this post are not acceptable in the final work. Please be sure to proof read(I am not checking this yet since it is 3am. Ill try to force myself tomorrow).
 
6) This should be a step in your new role.
 
Note to mods: I was looking for a place to put this and there isn't really and the text about k documents it should be a big step in developing your role so I choose to put it here; since this is neutral ground. If there is a better place for it please place it there just make sure it is a public space not belonging to any land and I can still access it. Thank you.
 
 
 

MD used to have over 300 players on-line at one time.

I will apply but I wont be able to start till July (working in a greenhouse requires alot of hours during the planting season).

never have i ever been mean to new comers 

Never have I ever told the truth.
 
On a more serious note:
 
Never have I ever solved the broken gazebo puzzle.
 
_______________________________________
 
(ooc: based off of Assira's character in md :P)

Never have I ever, shaved my armpit hair.

Never have I ever drunk tea.

Never have I ever begged for forum rep.
 
This topic is so wrong in my opinion.

Never have I ever sang praise to the sun!

never have I ever... danced with the priests around the bonfire in Necrovion

When I thought of the pet rock as one of the items I didn't expect it to get so much attention. Bravo pet rock you have exceeded my expectations.

I have finally got my final wish point for getting to 1000 active days (I know its late considering [This account was opened on (DD.MM.YYYY H:M): 30.09.2007 05:53] but that's besides the point). Now usually I would use this wishpoint inside the wishpoint shop and use it on a generic spell (which I would rarely use) or I could use on getting the ability to code multiple objects (which I don't have the patience to re-learn [I know its simple though my knowledge of coding has died over the years]) or I could use it on research points (which is a feature I don't believe is supported or any more or if it is very poorly. Anyways moving on you want me to get to the centre of the matter.
 
A less generic choice is try to create a record but my proposition is different from the archivists. I don't want a generic record of what has happened in the realm. I want to create a collection of the people in the realm. Most of Magic Duel revolves around the people who shaped the world. When Magic Duel was first created it was empty baron a clean slate. That was part of the charm the lure the fact that until the first person logged in and before the first words where spoke and before the first action was made the magic duel world was no more complicated from the wooden box you where plucked from to enter creation. It was that sum of people that made magic duel what it is today. Thus the title the Sum of Creation The Sum of the people who created Magic Duel. 
 
Though there is a small hiccup it is called a K document Collection for a reason. It is a collection of document to make a sort of digital library of sorts so although I am supplying the first wishpoint and the first document (in the next 1-2 months the world has changed allot since I started writing it) I need backers other than myself. Though it is important that the documents follow the theme. If haven't made it clear yet it is the people in magic duel. Not theories about the land not how this place was create not the lands opening order and not a chronological order of events from the beginning to now (and quite possibly the future [you never know]) but the people as you see them. To make things a little more clear some people in magic duel will remember that I was representing the University of Winnipeg when I was writing an ethnography. An ethnography for those who don't know is a study of the relationship between people and a study on culture and relating it to your own experience and explanation. Basically that is what I am looking for is a collection of  documents from people revealing there views on the culture of magic duel and the people inside it.
 
Before you decide to sign up a few things to keep in mind:
 
1) Your document must follow the basic theme. You can make assumptions and use dates all the things I said you should not but it has to directly support the source material. If it doesn't add substance its just pulp that should be strained out.
 
2) Political views in the world should be redacted. I do not want a whole bunch of LR praise and Necro bashing in the other or vice-versa (one of the reasons I stay in no mans land). This is your view directly on individuals not an entire group. I am not telling you to break character but I will tell you to keep your politics out of it.
 
3) This is an ongoing work so it would be wise to update your document from time to time since world does change frequently.
 
4) Since this is a select work not all submissions will be accepted. I will be requiring a sample of your work privately or publicly to make a decision its your choice how you present it.
 
5) The spelling and grammatical errors in this post are not acceptable in the final work. Please be sure to proof read(I am not checking this yet since it is 3am. Ill try to force myself tomorrow).
 
6) This should be a step in your new role.
 
Note to mods: I was looking for a place to put this and there isn't really and the text about k documents it should be a big step in developing your role so I choose to put it here; since this is neutral ground. If there is a better place for it please place it there just make sure it is a public space not belonging to any land and I can still access it. Thank you.
 
 
 

I have finally got my final wish point for getting to 1000 active days (I know its late considering [This account was opened on (DD.MM.YYYY H:M): 30.09.2007 05:53] but that's besides the point). Now usually I would use this wishpoint inside the wishpoint shop and use it on a generic spell (which I would rarely use) or I could use on getting the ability to code multiple objects (which I don't have the patience to re-learn [I know its simple though my knowledge of coding has died over the years]) or I could use it on research points (which is a feature I don't believe is supported or any more or if it is very poorly. Anyways moving on you want me to get to the centre of the matter.
 
A less generic choice is try to create a record but my proposition is different from the archivists. I don't want a generic record of what has happened in the realm. I want to create a collection of the people in the realm. Most of Magic Duel revolves around the people who shaped the world. When Magic Duel was first created it was empty baron a clean slate. That was part of the charm the lure the fact that until the first person logged in and before the first words where spoke and before the first action was made the magic duel world was no more complicated from the wooden box you where plucked from to enter creation. It was that sum of people that made magic duel what it is today. Thus the title the Sum of Creation The Sum of the people who created Magic Duel. 
 
Though there is a small hiccup it is called a K document Collection for a reason. It is a collection of document to make a sort of digital library of sorts so although I am supplying the first wishpoint and the first document (in the next 1-2 months the world has changed allot since I started writing it) I need backers other than myself. Though it is important that the documents follow the theme. If haven't made it clear yet it is the people in magic duel. Not theories about the land not how this place was create not the lands opening order and not a chronological order of events from the beginning to now (and quite possibly the future [you never know]) but the people as you see them. To make things a little more clear some people in magic duel will remember that I was representing the University of Winnipeg when I was writing an ethnography. An ethnography for those who don't know is a study of the relationship between people and a study on culture and relating it to your own experience and explanation. Basically that is what I am looking for is a collection of  documents from people revealing there views on the culture of magic duel and the people inside it.
 
Before you decide to sign up a few things to keep in mind:
 
1) Your document must follow the basic theme. You can make assumptions and use dates all the things I said you should not but it has to directly support the source material. If it doesn't add substance its just pulp that should be strained out.
 
2) Political views in the world should be redacted. I do not want a whole bunch of LR praise and Necro bashing in the other or vice-versa (one of the reasons I stay in no mans land). This is your view directly on individuals not an entire group. I am not telling you to break character but I will tell you to keep your politics out of it.
 
3) This is an ongoing work so it would be wise to update your document from time to time since world does change frequently.
 
4) Since this is a select work not all submissions will be accepted. I will be requiring a sample of your work privately or publicly to make a decision its your choice how you present it.
 
5) The spelling and grammatical errors in this post are not acceptable in the final work. Please be sure to proof read(I am not checking this yet since it is 3am. Ill try to force myself tomorrow).
 
6) This should be a step in your new role.
 
Note to mods: I was looking for a place to put this and there isn't really and the text about k documents it should be a big step in developing your role so I choose to put it here; since this is neutral ground. If there is a better place for it please place it there just make sure it is a public space not belonging to any land and I can still access it. Thank you.
 
 
 

I have finally got my final wish point for getting to 1000 active days (I know its late considering [This account was opened on (DD.MM.YYYY H:M): 30.09.2007 05:53] but that's besides the point). Now usually I would use this wishpoint inside the wishpoint shop and use it on a generic spell (which I would rarely use) or I could use on getting the ability to code multiple objects (which I don't have the patience to re-learn [I know its simple though my knowledge of coding has died over the years]) or I could use it on research points (which is a feature I don't believe is supported or any more or if it is very poorly. Anyways moving on you want me to get to the centre of the matter.
 
A less generic choice is try to create a record but my proposition is different from the archivists. I don't want a generic record of what has happened in the realm. I want to create a collection of the people in the realm. Most of Magic Duel revolves around the people who shaped the world. When Magic Duel was first created it was empty baron a clean slate. That was part of the charm the lure the fact that until the first person logged in and before the first words where spoke and before the first action was made the magic duel world was no more complicated from the wooden box you where plucked from to enter creation. It was that sum of people that made magic duel what it is today. Thus the title the Sum of Creation The Sum of the people who created Magic Duel. 
 
Though there is a small hiccup it is called a K document Collection for a reason. It is a collection of document to make a sort of digital library of sorts so although I am supplying the first wishpoint and the first document (in the next 1-2 months the world has changed allot since I started writing it) I need backers other than myself. Though it is important that the documents follow the theme. If haven't made it clear yet it is the people in magic duel. Not theories about the land not how this place was create not the lands opening order and not a chronological order of events from the beginning to now (and quite possibly the future [you never know]) but the people as you see them. To make things a little more clear some people in magic duel will remember that I was representing the University of Winnipeg when I was writing an ethnography. An ethnography for those who don't know is a study of the relationship between people and a study on culture and relating it to your own experience and explanation. Basically that is what I am looking for is a collection of  documents from people revealing there views on the culture of magic duel and the people inside it.
 
Before you decide to sign up a few things to keep in mind:
 
1) Your document must follow the basic theme. You can make assumptions and use dates all the things I said you should not but it has to directly support the source material. If it doesn't add substance its just pulp that should be strained out.
 
2) Political views in the world should be redacted. I do not want a whole bunch of LR praise and Necro bashing in the other or vice-versa (one of the reasons I stay in no mans land). This is your view directly on individuals not an entire group. I am not telling you to break character but I will tell you to keep your politics out of it.
 
3) This is an ongoing work so it would be wise to update your document from time to time since world does change frequently.
 
4) Since this is a select work not all submissions will be accepted. I will be requiring a sample of your work privately or publicly to make a decision its your choice how you present it.
 
5) The spelling and grammatical errors in this post are not acceptable in the final work. Please be sure to proof read(I am not checking this yet since it is 3am. Ill try to force myself tomorrow).
 
6) This should be a step in your new role.
 
Note to mods: I was looking for a place to put this and there isn't really and the text about k documents it should be a big step in developing your role so I choose to put it here; since this is neutral ground. If there is a better place for it please place it there just make sure it is a public space not belonging to any land and I can still access it. Thank you.
 
 
 

I have finally got my final wish point for getting to 1000 active days (I know its late considering [This account was opened on (DD.MM.YYYY H:M): 30.09.2007 05:53] but that's besides the point). Now usually I would use this wishpoint inside the wishpoint shop and use it on a generic spell (which I would rarely use) or I could use on getting the ability to code multiple objects (which I don't have the patience to re-learn [I know its simple though my knowledge of coding has died over the years]) or I could use it on research points (which is a feature I don't believe is supported or any more or if it is very poorly. Anyways moving on you want me to get to the centre of the matter.
 
A less generic choice is try to create a record but my proposition is different from the archivists. I don't want a generic record of what has happened in the realm. I want to create a collection of the people in the realm. Most of Magic Duel revolves around the people who shaped the world. When Magic Duel was first created it was empty baron a clean slate. That was part of the charm the lure the fact that until the first person logged in and before the first words where spoke and before the first action was made the magic duel world was no more complicated from the wooden box you where plucked from to enter creation. It was that sum of people that made magic duel what it is today. Thus the title the Sum of Creation The Sum of the people who created Magic Duel. 
 
Though there is a small hiccup it is called a K document Collection for a reason. It is a collection of document to make a sort of digital library of sorts so although I am supplying the first wishpoint and the first document (in the next 1-2 months the world has changed allot since I started writing it) I need backers other than myself. Though it is important that the documents follow the theme. If haven't made it clear yet it is the people in magic duel. Not theories about the land not how this place was create not the lands opening order and not a chronological order of events from the beginning to now (and quite possibly the future [you never know]) but the people as you see them. To make things a little more clear some people in magic duel will remember that I was representing the University of Winnipeg when I was writing an ethnography. An ethnography for those who don't know is a study of the relationship between people and a study on culture and relating it to your own experience and explanation. Basically that is what I am looking for is a collection of  documents from people revealing there views on the culture of magic duel and the people inside it.
 
Before you decide to sign up a few things to keep in mind:
 
1) Your document must follow the basic theme. You can make assumptions and use dates all the things I said you should not but it has to directly support the source material. If it doesn't add substance its just pulp that should be strained out.
 
2) Political views in the world should be redacted. I do not want a whole bunch of LR praise and Necro bashing in the other or vice-versa (one of the reasons I stay in no mans land). This is your view directly on individuals not an entire group. I am not telling you to break character but I will tell you to keep your politics out of it.
 
3) This is an ongoing work so it would be wise to update your document from time to time since world does change frequently.
 
4) Since this is a select work not all submissions will be accepted. I will be requiring a sample of your work privately or publicly to make a decision its your choice how you present it.
 
5) The spelling and grammatical errors in this post are not acceptable in the final work. Please be sure to proof read(I am not checking this yet since it is 3am. Ill try to force myself tomorrow).
 
6) This should be a step in your new role.
 
Note to mods: I was looking for a place to put this and there isn't really and the text about k documents it should be a big step in developing your role so I choose to put it here; since this is neutral ground. If there is a better place for it please place it there just make sure it is a public space not belonging to any land and I can still access it. Thank you.
 
 
 

I have finally got my final wish point for getting to 1000 active days (I know its late considering [This account was opened on (DD.MM.YYYY H:M): 30.09.2007 05:53] but that's besides the point). Now usually I would use this wishpoint inside the wishpoint shop and use it on a generic spell (which I would rarely use) or I could use on getting the ability to code multiple objects (which I don't have the patience to re-learn [I know its simple though my knowledge of coding has died over the years]) or I could use it on research points (which is a feature I don't believe is supported or any more or if it is very poorly. Anyways moving on you want me to get to the centre of the matter.
 
A less generic choice is try to create a record but my proposition is different from the archivists. I don't want a generic record of what has happened in the realm. I want to create a collection of the people in the realm. Most of Magic Duel revolves around the people who shaped the world. When Magic Duel was first created it was empty baron a clean slate. That was part of the charm the lure the fact that until the first person logged in and before the first words where spoke and before the first action was made the magic duel world was no more complicated from the wooden box you where plucked from to enter creation. It was that sum of people that made magic duel what it is today. Thus the title the Sum of Creation The Sum of the people who created Magic Duel. 
 
Though there is a small hiccup it is called a K document Collection for a reason. It is a collection of document to make a sort of digital library of sorts so although I am supplying the first wishpoint and the first document (in the next 1-2 months the world has changed allot since I started writing it) I need backers other than myself. Though it is important that the documents follow the theme. If haven't made it clear yet it is the people in magic duel. Not theories about the land not how this place was create not the lands opening order and not a chronological order of events from the beginning to now (and quite possibly the future [you never know]) but the people as you see them. To make things a little more clear some people in magic duel will remember that I was representing the University of Winnipeg when I was writing an ethnography. An ethnography for those who don't know is a study of the relationship between people and a study on culture and relating it to your own experience and explanation. Basically that is what I am looking for is a collection of  documents from people revealing there views on the culture of magic duel and the people inside it.
 
Before you decide to sign up a few things to keep in mind:
 
1) Your document must follow the basic theme. You can make assumptions and use dates all the things I said you should not but it has to directly support the source material. If it doesn't add substance its just pulp that should be strained out.
 
2) Political views in the world should be redacted. I do not want a whole bunch of LR praise and Necro bashing in the other or vice-versa (one of the reasons I stay in no mans land). This is your view directly on individuals not an entire group. I am not telling you to break character but I will tell you to keep your politics out of it.
 
3) This is an ongoing work so it would be wise to update your document from time to time since world does change frequently.
 
4) Since this is a select work not all submissions will be accepted. I will be requiring a sample of your work privately or publicly to make a decision its your choice how you present it.
 
5) The spelling and grammatical errors in this post are not acceptable in the final work. Please be sure to proof read(I am not checking this yet since it is 3am. Ill try to force myself tomorrow).
 
6) This should be a step in your new role.
 
Note to mods: I was looking for a place to put this and there isn't really and the text about k documents it should be a big step in developing your role so I choose to put it here; since this is neutral ground. If there is a better place for it please place it there just make sure it is a public space not belonging to any land and I can still access it. Thank you.
 
 
 

I have finally got my final wish point for getting to 1000 active days (I know its late considering [This account was opened on (DD.MM.YYYY H:M): 30.09.2007 05:53] but that's besides the point). Now usually I would use this wishpoint inside the wishpoint shop and use it on a generic spell (which I would rarely use) or I could use on getting the ability to code multiple objects (which I don't have the patience to re-learn [I know its simple though my knowledge of coding has died over the years]) or I could use it on research points (which is a feature I don't believe is supported or any more or if it is very poorly. Anyways moving on you want me to get to the centre of the matter.
 
A less generic choice is try to create a record but my proposition is different from the archivists. I don't want a generic record of what has happened in the realm. I want to create a collection of the people in the realm. Most of Magic Duel revolves around the people who shaped the world. When Magic Duel was first created it was empty baron a clean slate. That was part of the charm the lure the fact that until the first person logged in and before the first words where spoke and before the first action was made the magic duel world was no more complicated from the wooden box you where plucked from to enter creation. It was that sum of people that made magic duel what it is today. Thus the title the Sum of Creation The Sum of the people who created Magic Duel. 
 
Though there is a small hiccup it is called a K document Collection for a reason. It is a collection of document to make a sort of digital library of sorts so although I am supplying the first wishpoint and the first document (in the next 1-2 months the world has changed allot since I started writing it) I need backers other than myself. Though it is important that the documents follow the theme. If haven't made it clear yet it is the people in magic duel. Not theories about the land not how this place was create not the lands opening order and not a chronological order of events from the beginning to now (and quite possibly the future [you never know]) but the people as you see them. To make things a little more clear some people in magic duel will remember that I was representing the University of Winnipeg when I was writing an ethnography. An ethnography for those who don't know is a study of the relationship between people and a study on culture and relating it to your own experience and explanation. Basically that is what I am looking for is a collection of  documents from people revealing there views on the culture of magic duel and the people inside it.
 
Before you decide to sign up a few things to keep in mind:
 
1) Your document must follow the basic theme. You can make assumptions and use dates all the things I said you should not but it has to directly support the source material. If it doesn't add substance its just pulp that should be strained out.
 
2) Political views in the world should be redacted. I do not want a whole bunch of LR praise and Necro bashing in the other or vice-versa (one of the reasons I stay in no mans land). This is your view directly on individuals not an entire group. I am not telling you to break character but I will tell you to keep your politics out of it.
 
3) This is an ongoing work so it would be wise to update your document from time to time since world does change frequently.
 
4) Since this is a select work not all submissions will be accepted. I will be requiring a sample of your work privately or publicly to make a decision its your choice how you present it.
 
5) The spelling and grammatical errors in this post are not acceptable in the final work. Please be sure to proof read(I am not checking this yet since it is 3am. Ill try to force myself tomorrow).
 
6) This should be a step in your new role.
 
Note to mods: I was looking for a place to put this and there isn't really and the text about k documents it should be a big step in developing your role so I choose to put it here; since this is neutral ground. If there is a better place for it please place it there just make sure it is a public space not belonging to any land and I can still access it. Thank you.
 
 
 

MD used to have over 300 players on-line at one time.

Personally I understand this idea and I like it but the problem I keep on seeing in MD is people seem to try to shift the game to more traditional game culture. For that reason I can agree from a game play stand point but have to also disagree on principle. 
 
With that reasoning I have to remain neutral in this and abstain for the time being. 

Personally I understand this idea and I like it but the problem I keep on seeing in MD is people seem to try to shift the game to more traditional game culture. For that reason I can agree from a game play stand point but have to also disagree on principle. 
 
With that reasoning I have to remain neutral in this and abstain for the time being. 

Since principles are supposed to fit into role play and since it isn't completely clear of there usage yet or newer players being completely oblivious to what they actually are it might be a decent move to allow a limited ability to edit them. The best way I can see of implementing this is one of two ways. The first is to allow one change after exiting story mode in order to make a few minor corrections (I personally only want one correction) on where those points you earned should really go. Obviously this should be retroactively activated for all players that have finished story mode already. The other option would be implementation inside the shop with a high active day requirement because by that logic they may have actually realized there character after a certain time and those principles could now be put to a better more representative principle set. 
 
Personally I see the second option I suggest as the most representative of what we are trying to achieve with principles at the current moment..

Personally I understand this idea and I like it but the problem I keep on seeing in MD is people seem to try to shift the game to more traditional game culture. For that reason I can agree from a game play stand point but have to also disagree on principle. 
 
With that reasoning I have to remain neutral in this and abstain for the time being. 

Personally I understand this idea and I like it but the problem I keep on seeing in MD is people seem to try to shift the game to more traditional game culture. For that reason I can agree from a game play stand point but have to also disagree on principle. 
 
With that reasoning I have to remain neutral in this and abstain for the time being. 

Personally I understand this idea and I like it but the problem I keep on seeing in MD is people seem to try to shift the game to more traditional game culture. For that reason I can agree from a game play stand point but have to also disagree on principle. 
 
With that reasoning I have to remain neutral in this and abstain for the time being.