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I'd like to sue Seigheart for falsely claiming that this event was to be held in good will, to give the coins to new players and then keeping the coins for himself without ever giving coins to newbies.

His claim for him keeping the coins is that the slave auction wasn't the same 'cause he changed the time, even though it states that he'll deliver the funds for Santa, which is the same as the first slave auction.

"[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]You put yourself up for auction; you get sold to your new Master. Your new Master pays me ( Seigheart ), and then I deliver your Master's funds for Santa to random people in the street!"[/font][/color]

I'd also like to sue him for putting me up for auction without my consent.

Why I'm sueing him? I find using false claims of good will to gather others to work/sell themselves to slavery and then not do as promised and give the coins to charity instead of self-use equivalent to stealing.

Edited February 27, 201214 yr by lone wolf pup

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1328296843' post='103310']
If this was the TKs, it would state it was the TKs.

The gold will be distributed amongst the slaves.
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This he also didn't do.
Those who got sold, only received a small part of the total amount of gold made.
People only getting the amount they brought up, is fine to me.
Not him keeping/using the money for himself.

First off, if you check the chat logs (posted in the topic), you will see the Lone Wolf had put himself up for auction.

Second, I had simply copy and pasted the layout of the thread from the original one (Santa's Slave Auction). I simply missed one reference.

I believe I had also clarified where the money would go to in the proper thread as well. (Either used as TKs, or to fund other projects/give to slaves)

I had also stated the Gold would be distributed amongst the slaves. What ended up being the case was that half of your bid would be yours. If it was an odd number of silver, I would round it up to the nearest silver.

Edit: Also, when I was questioned(during the auction) I also stated exactly what would happen to the silver, and the slave's portion. Not a single person objected then.

Edited February 27, 201214 yr by Seigheart

Seig, I want to see a record of every single coin you got from this slave auction, with where it's going and what it's being used for, and I want it public.

1) Why?

2) I don't have to do anything you demand. So, why should I?

3) Already posted how much each slave went for, and how I figured out their portion. You do the math.

To Tal

I don't know how 50%+ is a "small part".

I never once stated I would use the money for myself either. I can't buy creatures, (not enough space due to TK stock) and no one ever sells items, so I don't see what I would need gold for. O.o

Edited February 27, 201214 yr by Seigheart

You've got a public role, which is based largely on trust between yourself and the community. I speak as a part of the community when I say that quite frankly, I don't trust you not to use some of the coins raised for personal stuff. What reason do you have not to give such a record other than "I have better things to do" and "You're not the boss of me"? You have a public role, you're not just accountable to Mur, you're accountable to the community.

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1330383149' post='105347']
First off, if you check the chat logs (posted in the topic), you will see the Lone Wolf had put himself up for auction.

Second, I had simply copy and pasted the layout of the thread from the original one (Santa's Slave Auction). I simply missed one reference.

I believe I had also clarified where the money would go to in the proper thread as well. (Either used as TKs, or to fund other projects/give to slaves)

I had also stated the Gold would be distributed amongst the slaves. What ended up being the case was that half of your bid would be yours. If it was an odd number of silver, I would round it up to the nearest silver.

Edit: Also, when I was questioned(during the auction) I also stated exactly what would happen to the silver, and the slave's portion. Not a single person objected then.
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You said it wasnt for the TK, and that the gold would be distributed among the slaves.
Only after the auction people where told,they would get half, of it. But you still didn't answer what would happen with the rest of it.
And I still don't know what your plans are for that.

@Lone Wolf It changed from a charity auction to a different kind of auction when Seigheart stated that the gold would be distributed among the slaves. I read the chat logs, and you put yourself up for auction.(maybe on accident, I guess.)

I would like to complain, however, due to the fact that when the "Slave Auction" was created, Seigheart said nothing about leashes being created for each participant. I really did think that I would just do some tasks for a person for a week or so. Maybe it was implied, though.

I'm also curious to know where the other half of the silver is going, if not to the slaves.

Edited February 28, 201214 yr by ChildOfTheSoul

Truth be told, I have no idea where the other half of the silver will go. Where ever I choose to be honest. I never had any plans for it. It will go to things I need doing, or to help support others in their things that need doing.

I also had no idea the leashes would be made. In fact, if you look at the chat logs, I also stated that.

I still say it isn't for the TKs. The TKs were never apart of this. I made that clear. But if I want to donate my money to the TK's cause, in which I've done multiple times, I will. That's none of your concern.

Yes, my public role is accountable to the community. That is, the role itself. If I've abused my role what so ever, please present the evidence and we shall begin the trial.

The council has the TK logs. They know what is the TKs and what is mine. If you don't trust the Council, then whatever. This whole thing is a bunch of hogwash.

And the reason not to give such a thing, because, you are right, I have better things to do than provide proof to ungrateful people. Simple.

[size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]so, basically you've sold what didn't belong to you and made a 50% profit? nice! [/font][/size]
[size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]i still can't decide if this counts as your astonishing trading skills or a simple mockery... [/font][/size]

[quote name='duxie' timestamp='1330427865' post='105389']
[size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]so, basically you've sold what didn't belong to you and made a 50% profit? nice! [/font][/size]
[size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]i still can't decide if this counts as your astonishing trading skills or a simple mockery... [/font][/size]
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And yet quite a few folks signed up to be slaves, of their own free will, myself included. He's quite a merchant!

If you don't know what your going to do with the gold,
Then either distribute it amongst those sold as slaves,(like you said it would), or give it out to poor players.
Its not to be used by you for things you need to do.

I can, and will use it how ever I wish. I DID distribute it evenly to all the slaves.

I don't really see what the issue is here. As far as I can tell, he held a slave auction, and from the proceedings he gave half to all the slaves, and kept half for himself. That is a win-win situation. The slaves came in with nothing, and left with coin (and a leash around their neck . He also left with coin. I don't see what's so bad about this...

[quote name='Esmaralda' timestamp='1330452581' post='105424']
I don't really see what the issue is here. As far as I can tell, he held a slave auction, and from the proceedings he gave half to all the slaves, and kept half for himself. That is a win-win situation. The slaves came in with nothing, and left with coin (and a leash around their neck . He also left with coin. I don't see what's so bad about this...
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Its because he said the gold will be distributed among the slaves.
then he changed that during/after the auction,
And he said it won't be for his personal use, which he now says he will,
Getting further and further away from what he originally said.

You keep making these assumptions. I DID distribute the silver amongst the slaves. You deny that? Or are you blind?

I never said that ALL of the gold would be distributed amongst the slaves.

And I STILL have no plans, and have never said that I will use the other silver for myself.

I think you are all just bored stiff, and need something to bitch about. So when it's not Eon, or Dst, it's me.

[quote name='Esmaralda' timestamp='1330452581' post='105424']
I don't really see what the issue is here. As far as I can tell, he held a slave auction, and from the proceedings he gave half to all the slaves, and kept half for himself. That is a win-win situation. The slaves came in with nothing, and left with coin (and a leash around their neck . He also left with coin. I don't see what's so bad about this...
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The problem that people are attempting to submit is that only 50% of the gold and silver where traded and that leases where made. That being said the people with leashes where warned of the possibility of them being made. That much is clear and understood and thus do not have a case. However the holding of 50% of the gold and silver may actually have a case. Seigheart kept 50% of the silver which was not determined in the contract that he showed. However he didn't say that any of it will be kept to himself which is true.

The thing is that law states that the agreement has to be understood by both sides. Since it is not stated in the contract the slaves could bring that issue to the courts. However the issuing of the leash you may not as the uncertainty was stated.

Lone wolf pup however has a curious claim that he was not put up with his consent. However he consented before hand which means he was still contractually obligated because he agreed to the terms and the contract did not state any terms of withdrawal and a contract that does not state terms of withdrawal does not allow withdrawal without consent of the 1st and 2nd party.

[quote]You keep making these assumptions. I DID distribute the silver amongst the slaves. You deny that? Or are you blind?[/quote]
you distributed half the coins. not all.

[quote]I never said that ALL of the gold would be distributed amongst the slaves.[/quote]
Neither did you ever say it wouldn't before the auction.

[quote]And I STILL have no plans, and have never said that I will use the other silver for myself.[/quote]
[quote]I can, and will use it how ever I wish.[/quote]
This makes me belief otherwise.

By saying the gold will be distributed among the slaves you do imply all gold will be distributed. Otherwise you should have said part of the gold will be distributed.
The only thing you can use the gold for other than to pay the slaves is giving it away to random people like the first post said.
I'm sure many people would have given selling them selves a second thought if they knew non of the gold would be given away and quite a few wouldn't have put themselves up for sale if they knew you were going to keep nearly half of it.
If, as you say, you don't know what to do with it yet anyway what stops you from saving yourself more truble and giving it away?

I'm done posting in this thread. It's become ridiculous. The Silver was traded for the Slaves. You all got your property, won't even give me a chance to do something with the silver before going on a witch hunt.

Hence, a record. It will put the fears of the community to rest, along with giving you some semblance of organization.

Edited February 29, 201214 yr by Pipstickz

Wow... I must ask. What exactly do you think he will do with the coins? Sit on it? It's not like he buys much for him self. I mean seriously, he even said there is a chance he would give it to the TKs, which is doing EXACTLY what you want in the long run. More money in quests, more money distributed among the community. Nearly randomly... And it's not like he's going to buy critters for himself, he has no critters for himself. They are all for... That's right, the community. As for the public record, I see no harm in THAT. But I also see that it shouldn't exactly be mandatory either. Basically I think if he wants to put it up for the public, let him. If not, don't whine about it. I mean, if you claim you want a public record for this action, why not ever single action he ever makes. My final point is, yes, he kept half. But did the slaves still not get SOMETHING? I'd rather have 1 coin then none at all.

i think the big issue for a lot of people is the whole abuse of his position. As leader of the TKs his "use" of TK inventory that Mur gave him has come under close scrutiny and question several times. Anywhere from the amount of coin he has on him, to "his" Elu sale. Now he is selling his own leash for what he feels its "worth". Which in his mind I'm sure there isn't enough gold in MD. All other slaves, including Mur himself, had their leashes sold for whatever the price ended. Perhaps that has a bit of the anger issues some people are having with this topic.

I am very rarely on Seig/Fenrir side, but honestly I don't see much of a case in this matter. People think every little detail has to be planned, stated, and recorded or else they are frauds. Quests and Festivals are becoming harder and harder to do, because those who are against the person find any stupid, or valid reason to pick it apart and cause drama on the forum. Honestly IMO it's a big reason why fewer and fewer things are going on.

Festivals are becoming a place to get your stats bashed to hell by Eon unless you do it in a sanctuary, then who's to say Eon doesn't port people around. Quests are being whined about when people don't get their way, or when things aren't printed out in big red letters for 4 year olds to read. I mean really people, is everyone just having more fun complaining instead of doing quests and experiencing "fun" with other people???

Every time there has been a slave auction they have been heavily scrutinized why? Because it is an incredibly easy way to turn a large profit without losing anything.

Regardless of intent the topic cleary states

"You put yourself up for auction; you get sold to your new Master. Your new Master pays me ( Seigheart ), and then I deliver your Master's funds for Santa to random people in the street!"

"Slaves will get a small bonus at the end for being good slaves"

I dont think any one will disagree that this means some portion of the proceeds would go to the slaves themselves with the rest getting randomly distruputed throughout the community, Giving it into the TK reward trove is not randomly giving it to people in the street. The case has very valid concerns players spent their coins thinking they knew were it was going and it went elsewhere violating the terms set down in the public notice, it would be much like collecting money for the blind then giving it to the homeless. Or rather collecting money for the blind then holding on to it and saying I will use it how I wish but I wont use it for myself.

I didn't wanted to join this thread but ... anyway.
[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1330454842' post='105426']
I never said that ALL of the gold would be distributed amongst the slaves.
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Exactly. you changed the rules of the trade after the trade has been made. That, I think, already happened before and the person that did it got some jail time.


[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1330397969' post='105364']
I also had no idea the leashes would be made. In fact, if you look at the chat logs, I also stated that.
The council has the TK logs. They know what is the TKs and what is mine. If you don't trust the Council, then whatever.
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Actually ... bringing the name of the council here means nothing. As they did not responded here and untill they respond otherwise, your words are BOGUS.

Using the name of the council like a warranty without proof should be itself punished.

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1330397969' post='105364']
And the reason not to give such a thing, because, you are right, I have better things to do than provide proof to ungrateful people. Simple.
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This is exactly why I wanted to post.

YOU ARE A THIEF. You should be punished.

But that is just my point of view.