Explanation for Fang's jailing

[Kaya]

[cquote]
Fang Archbane's punishment comes as a result of multiple infractions
whilst he was the TK leader. When he was initially promoted, he stated
that he knew the rules Mur had installed for the TKs, which we
reissued to him anyway so that they were clear. He was told several
times not to do certain things, but he disregarded the rules we laid
out and did them anyway.
He was told NEVER to use the treasury for personal items, and we even
warned him that if he put any of his belongings (creatures, items
etc.) inside, those would then be considered TK stock. He used the
treasury to store 13 creatures, once they were stored he unlocked the
Full Glow achievement and then took the creatures back out. For this
we have decided to null his achievement and we have taken 3 creatures
from him - those creatures have been stored where they belong: in the
treasury. It should be noted that after the event, when questioned
regarding this, he claimed he was testing whether or not he could get
the Full Glow achievement if he deposited all of his non-maxed
creatures into the treasury, we considered this an invalid reasoning
for his actions.

He awarded 1 WP directly to Seigheart for the Pumpkin Carving Contest
although it was never announced that the TKs would sponsor the quest
with the WP. When asked, he said he awarded the WP because ZenTao
asked him. ZenTao's reason was that the anonymous sponsor was unable
to award the WP so he turned to TKs.

Fang Archbane also awarded ZenTao a WP for the Colourful Skulls
contest although samon and phantasm (Caretakers alliance) announced
that they would be sponsoring the quest with the WP. The stated reason
for this action was that ZenTao wanted to use the WP to get out of
skill damage and couldn't wait for samon. This last action took place
after Fang had resigned as TK Leader.

As per the rules, a TK should never (except when asked by Mur/Council
or for forum posts/threads) directly award a WP but rather codes for
them. Fang ignored this rule and has recently activated all the codes
we have provided him. Except for the 2 used codes, we have now
invalidated them.

For this we have chosen to jail him for 1 week.

There have been additional mistakes we have dealt with whilst working
with Fang, but we have chosen to disregard them for now.



MD Council
[/cquote]

Edited December 3, 2012 by samon

[Peace]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Aside from all that, which honestly was rather expected since with power usually comes abuse, will this affect Fang's current state of being dead? Should those who may want to resurrect him continue their efforts or should they be also suspended from taking further actions? Will the revival specialist still be able to transport Fang inside the maze?[/font]

[Liberty4life]

first off... i am quite amazed that he managed to pull so many infractions ins such a short time, i really dont remember when was last time somebody screwed up that much O.O

[quote]He awarded 1 WP directly to Seigheart for the Pumpkin Carving Contest
although it was never announced that the TKs would sponsor the quest
with the WP. When asked, he said he awarded the WP because ZenTao
asked him. ZenTao's reason was that the anonymous sponsor [color=#ff0000]was unable[/color]
to award the WP so he turned to TKs.[/quote]

unable due to wp rewarding limit ? theres limit to award wp again to same person, one must reward first 40-50 wps to other different ppl or somethin, is this wut this is about? if so, then how come zen didnt knew it was against rules

or was it cuz sponsor didnt had codes anymore?



[quote]Fang Archbane also awarded ZenTao a WP for the Colourful Skulls
contest although samon and phantasm (Caretakers alliance) announced
that they would be sponsoring the quest with the WP. The stated reason
for this action was that ZenTao wanted to use the WP to get out of
skill damage and [color=#ff0000]couldn't wait[/color] for samon. This last action took place
after Fang had resigned as TK Leader.[/quote]

couldnt wait, really? O.o

i guess those 2 could affect zen's candidature

[BFH]

[quote name='Peace' timestamp='1354491650' post='127167']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Aside from all that, which honestly was rather expected since with power usually comes abuse, will this affect Fang's current state of being dead? Should those who may want to resurrect him continue their efforts or should they be also suspended from taking further actions? Will the revival specialist still be able to transport Fang inside the maze?[/font]
[/quote]

I recall council announced dead things would be apart of any roles. So I don;t see why any sort of revival quest efforts or whatsoever will be affected by his role abuses or whatever.

[Seigheart]

TK's CAN directly award a WP if they current winner cannot reward due to the restriction placed by game mechanics.

While this would not change the sentence, it is important to point out.

[Curiose]

But even so, It is best to double check to save one's skin and not cause any confusion or disgruntlement.

The only couple times that I know of in which Mur has ever sanctioned a mass WP approval, was back when I was Secretary. Before the TK makings.

[dst]

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1354501501' post='127176']
TK's CAN directly award a WP if they current winner cannot reward due to the restriction placed by game mechanics.

While this would not change the sentence, it is important to point out.
[/quote]

"- give wishpoints directly, unless specifically told so by me. Instead tk gives wishpoint codes, that are transferable and matter to whoever activates them too."

From here:
http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/11117-a-request-for-shift-of-power-or-change/

Or if you like, from here:
http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/9781-rules-and-regulations/

[ZenTao]

I looked over the Colorful skulls contest and Seigh said he would sponsor the WP, I asked Seigh several times may I please have my WP and he told me to ask Fang for it. It was not that I could not wait, I had waited a good 2 weeks and never got a thing not even a PM from Samon.. As far as I can see if I had done anything "illegal" why was the last TK head asking me to? I figured if anyone would know the rules it would be Seigh. I feel like I was used and lied to.

[Kaya]

I admit I had forgotten to check if all the rewards had been given out for the skull contest, however I haven't heard a thing regarding this from either Seigheart, Zen or Fang. I didn't know there was a problem until council contacted me about it.

[Liberty4life]

um i almost said that its not zens fault afterall, but then i saw her post in that second link where she copy pasted murs post, so i am still in dilema

[quote]I figured if anyone would know the rules it would be Seigh. I feel like I was used and lied to.[/quote]

but it seems you knew the rules too, as you have should, but i guess that we all forget about protocols and rules when boss tells us wut to do, but still...

[ZenTao]

[quote name='Liberty4life' timestamp='1354540490' post='127214']
um i almost said that its not zens fault afterall, but then i saw her post in that second link where she copy pasted murs post, so i am still in dilema



but it seems you knew the rules too, as you have should, but i guess that we all forget about protocols and rules when boss tells us wut to do, but still...
[/quote]

Yes, I should have looked at those rules again I should have not trusted Seigheart tho he was someone I thought I could trust- the reason why Seigheart was unable to get a wp from the Anonymous sponsor in his own quest is because it was Him. he sponsored it anonymously- I told counsel that...

[DARK DEMON]

[quote name='ZenTao' timestamp='1354542065' post='127216']
Yes, I should have looked at those rules again I should have not trusted Seigheart tho he was someone I thought I could trust- the reason why Seigheart was unable to get a wp from the Anonymous sponsor in his own quest is because it was Him. he sponsored it anonymously- I told counsel that...
[/quote]

[color=#008000][font=comic sans ms,cursive]The point is, that this should not have made Fang award the WP to Seig from the TK treasury. Instead of acting himself, he should have brought the whole thing to the public cause he was given too many warnings already. Yet, he acted so and suffered the penalty.

I for one, believe Zen is innocent.[/font][/color]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#008000]@ Seig : ^ Is this true?[/color][/font]

EDIT : Apparently it's not, because of this:

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1351469355' post='124754']
Halloween Carving Contest!

I would like all MD players to go out, in RL, and carve a real pumpkin.

Take a picture of said pumpkins, and post them in MD. Be ready to prove that you carved it by putting an MD symbol on the pumpkin.


[b]WP is up for grabs, sponsored by an anonymous player[/b].

I will be also participating, since I am merely organizing this contest, [b]and am not sponsoring it personally[/b], nor am I part of the judging committee. Hopefully that's okay.
[/quote]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#008000]@ Fang : I'm[/color][/font] [font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#008000]sorry to say but I'm disappointed. Being in trial probation, you shouldn't have taken such matters to yourself, and especially after being warned. What was the harm in asking the community? It would have still left a better mark than what has happened now, even if you were deemed inappropriate for TK leader. You knew it was against the rules, yet you had to do what you did. Why? Were you "scared" of being humiliated as "the worst TK leader choice ever"? Did you not think that being jailed would leave a worse impression? [/color][/font]

Edited December 3, 2012 by DARK DEMON

[dst]

@Dark Demon: it's fenrir's word against ZenTao's. So until further proofs are brought up you can't really take one's side.

[ZenTao]

[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/okv0id.jpg[/IMG]

[DARK DEMON]

[quote name='DARK DEMON' timestamp='1354542464' post='127217']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#008000]@ Seig : ^ Is this true?[/color][/font]
[/quote]
[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#008000]Yes, then it is true [/color][/font]

[quote name='dst' timestamp='1354544074' post='127224']
@Dark Demon: it's fenrir's word against ZenTao's. So until further proofs are brought up you can't really take one's side.
[/quote]
[color=#008000][font=comic sans ms,cursive]The above proof Zen shows is enough, I suppose?[/font][/color]

Edited December 3, 2012 by DARK DEMON

[Nimrodel]

i'm now curious bout the anonymous sponsor in sieg's snowman quest too. >.>

[dst]

[quote name='DARK DEMON' timestamp='1354549519' post='127227']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#008000]Yes, then it is true [/color][/font]


[color=#008000][font=comic sans ms,cursive]The above proof Zen shows is enough, I suppose?[/font][/color]
[/quote]

Let me play the devil's advocate here.
1) ZenTao has not actually been accused of anything
2) ZenTao has not been punished (I didn't quite understand from the ann or the forum post but it seems the WP was not reset)
3) ZenTao broke no rules by asking Fang to provide the WP.
4) fenrir didn't break any rules by asking zentao for the WP.

Legally, none of them are guilty. Morally? Hell yeah! But we don't punish people on morals here.
Yes, fenrir used his influence and the trust TKs had in him to gain personal advantages. Yes, ZenTao was...naive enough to trust him. Yes, ZenTao is clueless about the rules that herself quoted. But they didn't actually DO anything. If you wish, think at fang as the victim here . He was stupid enough (sorry fang but you were) to actually DO what he was asked without checking first. And now he's being punished.

However, in my opinion the biggest losers (take this as "a person who lost something" not the trivial form) are ZenTao and fenrir.
Personally I'm not surprised by fenrir's behavior. A thief and a liar will always remain a thief and a liar. He lost, imo, the last bits of trustfulness and fairness he tried so hard to gain. I can't say I'm sorry but heh I am mean
ZenTao just proved that I was right when I argumented why I didn't vote for her. In MD you can't be naive if you wish to have an important role like the TK Leader. . However, I doubt she was ill intended. So if she's smart she'll learn from this and evolve. You can't just dance through MD like a flower and think everything is pink and fluffy. Reality is a harsh and perverted mistress

[Fang Archbane]

[quote name='DARK DEMON' timestamp='1354542464' post='127217']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#008000]@ Fang : I'm[/color][/font] [font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#008000]sorry to say but I'm disappointed. Being in trial probation, you shouldn't have taken such matters to yourself, and especially after being warned. What was the harm in asking the community? It would have still left a better mark than what has happened now, even if you were deemed inappropriate for TK leader. You knew it was against the rules, yet you had to do what you did. Why? Were you "scared" of being humiliated as "the worst TK leader choice ever"? Did you not think that being jailed would leave a worse impression? [/color][/font]
[/quote]

What matters are we talking about here Demon? I simply did what i was told, and didnt question it. I had a general idea of the rules, didnt care much for them, and did things as i thought they should be done. If i am to be jailed for that, so be it, i could care less. Jail is an interesting place (and if anyone wants me to collect bones for them, let me know, ill need to borrow an independant tool), i love t explore, and its only for a week. Im not hurting at all.

And what am i supposed to ask the Community, that Seig, Zen, The Council, and Bugs hadnt already told me? Like i said. I was doing it my way. People disagreed. Tough.

1) I didnt "know" anything was or was not against the rules. Ive said it before, and ill say it a million times more. I did things my way.
2) Im not now, nor was i then, scared of anything. I dont care what people think of me. I do me, and if thats not good enough for someone, than they can keep walking.
3) Once again. Impressions mean nothing to me. But i can say this.

Im done being what i was. Im tired of being used, taken for a fool, and neglected when im in need.
As soon as im revived, im becoming a mute. A miniature Eon in so many words. Im tired of it all. Ill only communicate with others when it comes to role related things. Im done.

[Ackshan Bemunah]

[quote name='dst' timestamp='1354564285' post='127236']
Let me play the devil's advocate here.
1) ZenTao has not actually been accused of anything
2) ZenTao has not been punished (I didn't quite understand from the ann or the forum post but it seems the WP was not reset)
3) ZenTao broke no rules by asking Fang to provide the WP.
...

However, in my opinion the biggest losers (take this as "a person who lost something" not the trivial form) are ZenTao and fenrir.
...
ZenTao just proved that I was right when I argumented why I didn't vote for her. In MD you can't be naive if you wish to have an important role like the TK Leader. . However, I doubt she was ill intended. So if she's smart she'll learn from this and evolve. You can't just dance through MD like a flower and think everything is pink and fluffy.
[/quote]

Smear campaigning after the vote closes, no fair.

ZenTao didn't break the rules, and you shouldn't assume she was acting naively. You should [b]not[/b] assume because she has the wonderful "agreeable" personality she has that she was acting naively, just as we shouldn't assume that someone who talks cynically isn't acting ignorantly.

Edited December 3, 2012 by Ackshan Bemunah

[dst]

[quote name='Fang Archbane' timestamp='1354565243' post='127239']
3) Once again. Impressions mean nothing to me.
[/quote]

Yes indeed. But only if you were to play this game alone. Or any other game alone. Like it or not it's a community. Like it or not, it has rules. Like it or not you have to follow them if you wish to continue playing. Otherwise you'll find yourself banned or isolated case in which you can leave the game on your own.
Besides, you're lieing through your teeth . You try so bad to make yourself likable that sometimes you over do it (want me to find your posts where you said you want to be the liked and fluffy and pink?)

Your sentence was a light one. Screw things again and the sentence will not be so mild.

[quote name='Ackshan Bemunah' timestamp='1354565480' post='127240']
ZenTao didn't break the rules, and you shouldn't assume she was acting naively. You should [b]not[/b] assume because she has the wonderful "agreeable" personality she has that she was acting naively, just as we shouldn't assume that someone who talks cynically isn't acting ignorantly.
[/quote]

Prove me wrong. Show me she was not clueless about the rules. She said it herself that she didn't read the rules. HOW can you be a good leader when you don't even know the rules?? I used naive so I would not repeat the first adjective C-L-U-E-L-E-S-S.
And I am not assuming. I BELIEVE it and KNOW it.

Edited December 3, 2012 by dst

[Curiose]

Sorry fang.

But so many people told you time and time again that Seig was just going to use you and you were going to get hurt. Your fault, your folly.

[Ackshan Bemunah]

[quote name='dst' timestamp='1354565728' post='127242']
Yes indeed. But only if you were to play this game alone. Or any other game alone. Like it or not [b]it's a community[/b]. Like it or not,[b] it has rules[/b]. Like it or not you have to follow [b]them [/b]if you wish to continue[b] playing[/b]. [/quote]

This is a deception.

[quote]
Prove me wrong. Show me she was not clueless about the rules. She said it herself that she didn't read the rules. HOW can you be a good leader when you don't even know the rules?? I used naive so I would not repeat the first adjective C-L-U-E-L-E-S-S.
And I am not assuming. I BELIEVE it and KNOW [ROFL] it.
[/quote]

The measure of this will be in the result. I don't really care what you believe she has done.

Edited December 3, 2012 by Ackshan Bemunah

[dst]

[quote name='Ackshan Bemunah' timestamp='1354566017' post='127244']
The measure of this will be in the result. I don't really care what you believe she has done.
[/quote]

Ah...nice. No arguments so you bring up the old "I don't care what you think".
The results have no meaning here. Weather she loses or wins, the facts remain. At least for me and I am pretty sure for quite a few of the MD players. Oh wait...you don't care what I think. Ok. Move on. Nothing to see here.

Edited December 3, 2012 by dst

[Ackshan Bemunah]

[quote name='dst' timestamp='1354566200' post='127246']
The results have no meaning here.
[/quote]

Your loss.

[quote]Weather she loses or wins, the stein remains. [/quote]

[left][font="verdana"][size="2"][color="#333333"]I love Windy's Pub as much as the next. The game here isn't about her losing or winning.[/color][/size][/font][/left]

[left][font="verdana"][size="2"][color="#333333"][quote][/color][/size][/font][/left]
At least for me and I am pretty sure for quite a few of the MD players. Oh wait...you don't care what I think. Ok. [/quote]

Not what I said.

[quote]Move on. Nothing to see here.
[/quote]

I once wrote an essay with this title. I empathize, BUT ... in this case I'm simply saying to look at what happens, not what rules assert themselves. It's not like these rules were written by the lord above or anything.

[Liberty4life]

so many contradictions by ackshan or i have perception problem