Glaistig

I don't know. What's the point of this? Why not espouse friendly competition? Do you actually think players in the treaty will bother dueling with each other now, when you have to get past the inconvenience of asking? Maybe a few, or some, but you might as well become one huge conglomerate alliance with little subsets. Actually, that makes sense. But I suppose MD has been shifting to more "polite" tendencies, anyway; the dojo has set a tradition of premeditated dueling. It takes out some fun, but oh well. It is what it is, a shift.

Hum, wait; the children of the eclipse came from the MD moon that disappeared? Where can I read this stuff? Or is it oral lore?

We should probably figure out what kind of newspaper it will be; what purpose do you want it to serve? For certain, it can serve multiple purposes, but by deciding which one is most important to the readers and which aren't, we can figure out the proportion of content types and how they'll be organized onto the pages. For instance, if we want it to document the progress of MD and deliver information, we won't have a paper that is completely composed of light items and player-sent content. We'll also have news stories, features and opinions. If these are going to be comprehensive and multiple, they'll clash with each other if put on the same page. So, if we want more than 1 regular-length feature/news story/opinion, we'll have a section each for news, features, and opinions. Lighter content could be matched to them, such as advice/gossip column on the features page and commentaries on the opinions page. My school newspaper does it this way, organizing by content type. But if we have just a few per issue, or if they're short like news briefs, we can instead section our newspaper by subject matter, similar to the way newspapers organize their news into local, world, and international pages. Maybe a page for game development, another about roleplaying, and so on... However, the problem I see with this is I can't visualize the different subject matters the paper would have. Just game development and roleplaying. /: I suppose you could just see what specifically different players want, like you're doing now, and afterward decide how to organize the paper and what type of paper it will be. I would see what different players would want in the larger scheme and then start discussing more specific items because I'd feel more comfortable and organized that way, but it probably doesn't matter much which order you choose as long as long as you're well-directed. So if you're going to do it this way, make sure you know what further down the line will be based on the input you gain now.

But Gargant! My importance extends far beyond experience! After all, what sort of newspaper would it be without my influence? O'_'O But I do admit I didn't think you had any background like that. You should have said. l:< I feel betrayed now. Were you trying to hide something from me?! Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what a studying for a media degree entails, but I'm sure it'll be helpful for anyone who wants to lead this sort of thing. I'm not against the newspaper being part of the game, distributed within the game and so on, as long as it is the players who make the newspaper. A guild could make sense too, eventually. However, I feel queasy about implementing the newspaper into the game before getting it established and running smoothly; it puts pressure, you know? The same thing with advertising. On this side, being official right off doesn't really help, except maybe with publicity. Supposing we do become comfortable, maybe a couple of issues through, we can make adjustments for being worked into the game. That's my thought. Garg, I'm thinking new topics for discussion about content, though I agree we should go back and see what people have suggested so far. The suggestions aren't very numerous and don't decisively determine anything yet, though with you perhaps they're only needed for guidance. This is the time during which those who are interested in reading or helping with the paper can help mold the future product; after you've concretely decided the defining features of it, we can see what specifically different team members will do. What do you think? Although I can't tell well now, not without knowing what different sections we'll have and big they'll be, I think it will take a lot people working than that number of 2-3, which is much of why I believe this project [i]is[/i] going to be hard to get going without much support.

Don't worry, I'm quite convinced the newspaper would fail without me. :) It'd be like aimless mucking. I'll get the list to you sometime when Lu feels like giving the flash drive to me.

Okay, okay. Let's speed things up then, if you wish, but you or someone else will have to lead the project since I don't have the time or stamina for that. The survey really isn't necessary, it was just a novel idea I yielded to since I have scruples about dealing with MD bureacracy. :< However, knowing MD, there are probably no regulations about that announcement box, so as long as Calyx/whoever else it concerns is fine with it, I think that's a good bet. Going along this thread, Chewett, could we have a probationary section for the newspaper discussions? Maybe later on, there will be more player-operated projects that can be grouped in the same location. After all, these forums are used as much if nor more for community enjoyment as for the game, hm? If both Che and Calyx agree, we can skip phase 1 and just start open discussion about content. We have a little group from which we can culture more interest, perhaps. For anyone who wishes to talk to me more conveniently, you can use my yahoo ID infaceta. I have my other contact information in my profile. However, I think the forums or a similar place are still important, since not all have ymsg and people can freely provide input on a whim while seeing what others have said before them. If possible, I'd like to be more of an advisor than leader and you seem to have more initiative than me, so that settles things for now. However, we need to decide what plan we're going to follow now. Adopt mine, or do you want operate another way? Technically, if you have a vision and don't especially care about the thoughts of others, we could forgo discussion and instead just begin work as long as we already have a workbase. That does disagree with me, though. @Glor and Tree, I'll put you down on the list I have.

No rush, man.. I spent today neglecting my newspaper duties so I could make conversation about Easter and birthdays. :D

Ah, Che, but what is a post count save for a number noted by the overconscious? The fact would remain that I have contributed far more than he ever has. In fact, the majority of his few posts are spam, it is! Ohoho, look, a surprising number of people have posted. *__* No doubt trying to increase their post count.

Don't worry. Even if no one else wants to create a celebratory birthday topic for you, I will! After all, you [i]are[/i] a faithful member of the forums, rightho? I suppose it's sad that I have more posts than you, calling myself an Outsider, but I have more posts than everyone besides Chewett and dst, anyway. Anyway, yeah. You're always accusing me of hate, but really, I am your most dedicated follower~! I really am true to my word! [center][font="Courier New"][color="#006400"]All Hail [s]Britannia[/s] The Bunny Empire![/color][/font][/center][center][font="Courier New"][color="#006400"] (\[/color][/font][font="Courier New"][color="#006400"][￣[/color][/font][font="Courier New"][color="#006400"]]/) t([/color][/font][font="Courier New"][color="#006400"]￣ー￣t[/color][/font][font="Courier New"][color="#006400"])[/color][/font][font="Courier New"][color="#006400"] All Hail [s]Lelouch[/s] The Lord Of Bunnies![/color][/font] [/center]No? But I'm the only one who celebrates the birth of your awesomeness. Ohohoho! :3

[b]Current count[/b] Response: 49 A (not interested): 1 B (would read it): 16 C (want to be notified about developments): 11 D (want to provide input at discretion): 13 E (want to actively be part of project): 5 I know there's a discrepancy in numbers but I can't spend the time to figure out where I went wrong at this moment. And the people I know of who want to help with the project but haven't yet been included in the survey: 5

Garg, please don't say that, you must know that I was joking myself. Right? n'__'n I don't believe the forums would generate any more support for this project than it already has. The point of surveying players individually ingame was to prompt reply and include those who don't visit the forums regularly in the evaluation. I'm iffy about continuing use of these forums. Manu's expressed that he's not against integrating the newspaper into his game kind of like the Archives, but I don't really care for that idea.. so I kind went, yeah, do you mind if we operate independently in the beginning? Besides my own personal preferences, this project has a high risk of early failure, making it kind of inappropriate for game endorsement until it's secure. So, you see, if we do start walking, then we might make adjustments to be part of the game. Maybe. >_> Anyway, the forums are official. The newspaper is as of this moment unofficial. It makes me feel uncomfortable. Besides that, the forums are uninviting. So I sort of think, maybe a simple wiki or something for the development if the newspaper gets further. But I suppose since not many care much about forum content anyway, the forums are still an option. Anyway, school started again. I'm going to continue the survey and start calculating. [b]Current count[/b] Response: 28 A (Not interested): 1 B (Would read it): 10 C (Want to be notified about developments): 7 D (Want to provide input at discretion): 7 E (Want to actively be part of project): 3

Gargant, how offensive it is that you suggest I would engage in a petty war! Hmph. As for your ideas, I don't disagree with them--yet. But I don't feel this is the right time and place for these suggestions about content and whatnot. First it should be decided whether or not there is truly enough interest in the project for it to start at all. myrrh may have been more polite and perhaps less biased than me, but I don't think the project was going well under his hand. He was trying to do several things at once: spread awareness, collect team members, decide content, make the layout, consider the ideas of everyone and Mur, all the while learning about MD as a new player. That's disorganized and stressing; it's no wonder he gave up so soon. You asked where the project is. So you skipped [u][url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com//index.php?showtopic=2891&view=findpost&p=23126"]my post[/url][/u], hmm? I don't blame you, since it's a long topic to read now, but I don't only write rants, Garg. >:) If we're going to follow my schematic, we're in phase 1: surveying the playerbase of MD to get a feeling of how much readership and support any future paper might have. If we don't have a significant amount, there's no point in going further. I still haven't finished distributing the survey pms nor have I even started calculating the results, so it might be a while before we figure out whether or not we'll progress. Now, I know I'm acting as if I own this thing and we should all go by my wisdom. But we should. Ohohoho! Well, no. If you can convince me there is a better way, do so. I think if we do go according to my plan and get past phase 1, we ought to ditch this thread for discussing content and style. It'll be too cluttered and inaccessible for any who want to join in later. But we won't want several newspaper threads going on here.. suggestions about that? Ahem, welcome Gargant and cryxus. I'll talk to Yami about LS later.

I just had to before anyone else did. n___n Sorry if you don't celebrate birthdays, though. Wait, is this even your birthday? New Year's Eve? Just put in some random birthdate while registering, hey? Tsk! Ahem, sorry if it really is your birthday though; was just doubting for a moment.

Huh.. can't you guys just organize your own events for fun? You know, maybe dueling? You're veterans, you can do it! Because, after all, maybe making more official contests dependent on PvP is excessive. This is a roleplaying game after all; you can have fun [i]roleplaying[/i]. Making Manu work just for the whims of a small section of the playerbase, pah. ~Outsider's view.

How stiff you are! How uncomfortable it is to see my lovely composition dissected in your response! You really ought to lighten up your language, Tarquinius, if only for cheer of those who receive. It's an affront! But, I get carried away. I applaud dogmatic adherence to setting constraints. Though the manner in which you retort is disconcerting, I suppose it is putting a mantle on for the occasion. You have support from me! I'm sure you're very appreciative.

Return of the long posts! What the world expects of me! I started distributing those "spam PMs" as you so term them at maybe 1:30 in the morning so I wouldn't be under the surveillance of my discerning brother and parents. By 2:00 (at which point I had gone through the players at the Gazeebo, Well of Fortune and was going through the playerlist of Fenths Press) someone was turning in bed and I became fearful; I hasted to brush my teeth and prepare for bed. As my suspicions dictated, Mom got up soon afterward and made a disapproving face to see me up so late no matter if I was in the midst of retiring; I don't know what she would have said had she found me playing some game. For you see, we share a single room with five computers. It's called, "The Computer Room." It's the room that is most occupied by our family. All members are constantly harping about how I'm not doing homework, too. So now you know why you don't see Glai during daylight hours. It's easier to sneak onto the forums than onto the actual game. So, anyway, that is why I didn't manage to distribute my lovely spam to everyone. I don't think I will get to it until school starts again and I can sneak onto the game during 7th period. Don't worry, you'll most likely receive one.. eventually. @MRWander, come now. Need I explain the obvious relevance of legality to your position? Please don't say you don't conceive that in the first place I didn't mean to send duplicates to and thus so violate your sanctified inbox. From that it can be inferred that I've already done all that is within my lowly ability to prevent the event, save for actually stopping the survey--I can't do that, not in phase 1, not even for your pained finger. Hence, legality: convincing me my action doesn't possess it is your only recourse if you want me to do more for the sake of stopping them. Now, I don't know whether you're just little dense or whiny or really do mean me to stop the survey, but either way, your wishes are near irrelevant to me. Now you understand my ire in having to respond to them? Look here. I know you must be generally easy to get along with; I'm not. You've accomplished your purpose, for I will involuntarily recognize your name above all the others I won't regardless of whether or not I think that it is fair as the consequence of a complaint on the forums. We've exchanged pain, hey? You over your finger and calm and I over the time spent explaining such a thing as this. I know you are the victim of inconvenience here and mocking aside, I really am sorry, but I don't want to be furthered bothered about this lest it is meaningful. Play MD, roleplay on Gaia, chill out--anything but continue this discussion about an accidental pm. :) @Burns, welcome. I think I'm going to do my history DBQ now.

Oh, honestly! I'm quite sincerely sorry that I managed to send one or two extra messages to you by accident (mind to tell me exactly how many, so I can judge exactly how nitpicky you are?) and no doubt cluttered your inbox exceedingly with that [i]huge[/i] number so that you had to spend [i]so[/i] much effort to strenuously stretch your holy finger and press the delete button to that [i]extreme[/i] amount, but to my humble knowledge what I did was perfectly legal. Someone tell me if it isn't, thanks. Now, if you don't want it to be repeated, go to some obscure location someone like Glai won't visit to survey all the people there. You know what? If no one moved from his location, I most likely wouldn't erroneously send duplicates anyway; but [i]no[/i], people [i]have[/i] to move around so that I to my most magnificent horror do make such abominations of events. I'm sorry. I really try not to. I just can't memorize a hundred names of whom I have already surveyed. Want a virtual cookie for consolation?

Has the moon ever even appeared in MD? I'm not up-to-date on the AL or MD lore, but if it's not mentioned I'm not exactly sure how your lovely characters know about such an object. Although, I suppose you could just say a myth has been passed down from generation to generation about some legendary celestial body from an origin unknown... Or, maybe your characters just feel something amiss and create a vision in which things just happened to be termed "moon" and "stars" or so on. If you can make your story fit with MD's world, a moon cult sounds fine. It might be helpful to post your story if you want support (from more than those who already know and support you, anyway). Uh, did meiche make Penny? Or was that a typo? n__n;

I finished my history studyguide. :) Almost, anyway. I have to do the map, but I lost that (and the actual studyguide, but I had Lu's), so I will obtain one once school starts again. Lack of reaction in forums indicates lack of interest to progress in project, but the forums are undependable since so few actually use it. Glai doesn't give up easily, you know; she will only stop when I know for sure it is impossible. That's why I always accomplish so much! n__n Anyway, back to the forum thing, I guess I have to resort to ingame surveying. I never thought I would fall so low as to mass-send pms, [spoiler]damn[/spoiler] it. And forums overall are inappropriate if the project continues. I can't work with one thread and more would be excessive due to the high risk of failure.. Huh, the forums are useless. Anyway, this is the basic schematic I will go by to determine whether or not the project can progress under my hand: [list] [*]Phase 1--Surveying Interest[list] [*]spread awareness and evaluate likely number of subscriptions [*]create a committee of interest which will help make decisions in following phases, esp. phase 2. [/list] [*]Phase 2--Decide Content[list] [*]determine primary and secondary purposes of newspaper, e.g. deliver information, document historical events and showcase player work [*]evaluate amount of work necessary, what kind of resources will be used and overall tone of paper [*]contact likely columnists/cartoonists, so on to verify how much space will be used for different content [/list] [*]Phase 3--Decide Design/Format[list] [*]based on content/tone and context constraint, determine amount of visuals, typefaces, colors, etc. [*]allocate content on specific pages (if multiple pages) depending on proportion as decided by function for primary or secondary purposes [/list] [*]Phase 4--Create Team[list] [*]based on content and pulling mostly from committee of interest, decide who will do what [*]especially look for editors, copyeditors/reviewers, artists [/list] [*]Phase 5--Churning Issues Out [/list]This way I will know when the project fails--whenever progressing onto the next step or phase seems to be futile or impossible. And you can follow along, hurrah!

offtopic: Huh. Darn it. Can I still use it? ontopic: 90% chance of project failure~ I don't plan to even try my hand at this if I can't gather a substantial workforce. But evaluating potential workers comes after analyzing general response. Che, you really mumble a lot. Don't worry though; I collect your flotsam and make a junkbear. :o ! Three samples, hnn.

Ha! The less I do, the happier I'll be. Maybe. I don't want a project I'm accomodating to be a [spoiler]crappy[/spoiler] newspaper. I don't really trust average MD players to be able to make a good one without a lot of assistance. Anyway, what were you saying? I'd love it if someone I approve of waltzed over and said they'd like to take charge, but if no one volunteers right now, I'd have to manage the project for at least the beginning. The other option is to wait indefinitely and not start at all unless someone does, which suits me as well. Pick. And oh, hey, since when did we have custom member titles? Yes, I put spoiler tags around what I consider to be profanity. Don't bother me about it.

@Udgard, it'll be for the community of MD rather than the game itself. There's a difference to me. @Cheett, you're right, I don't really want a paper for MD or even it's community. I just want to see if I can make one. I don't think I can counter this point well. It's not like I'll try to be biased or make the paper favor one side--I'm a better journalist than that--but that's my natural disposition and I can't help it much. Bias isn't something one controls easily. I had planned to let willing people review pieces before release to suggest change in tone or additional information from the perspective of one party or another if necessary; I also wouldn't mind if someone else more appropriate took on the job of deciding what would go in the paper, which is more or less an editor-in-chief. I could be an adviser who also makes the layout. However, finding that person might take hunting. Most everyone I know takes a stance on the issues of MD and its community, though perhaps not as strongly as I, and out of the couple who don't not all of them would want to do it. So, what do you think, Che? Enough to contend for the meantime or should I just off and away?

Seems to work at a quick glance, which means the situation is automatically better than before. If I end up using the forums again I'll keep an eye out. Cheudaman! d(n_n)b EDIT: Actually, I don't know about that after thinking it through a little. IE reviles me so much. But I'd keep an eye out in FF at least, regardless of how little that means. (:

Change of hands! myrrh's gone, at least for now; he might come back eventually when he's not so incapacitated. Or he might not. Anyway, a select few of you know that I was taking beginning journalism. Well, that was last year. Now I'm the news editor of the school's paper, so technically I [i]could[/i] manage this project if I were so inclined. However, what with magicduel being the game it is now, I have far more important things to do. I'm willing to work on it should interest still exist, but only at my quite-limited convenience. What it would mean: [list] [*]an 90% chance of project failure [*]irregular releases; first if there is one will probably be in summer break [*]strong bias against roleplaying, new players in general and MD itself [*]minimal help from Manu; no reward/guild for team [*]minimal influence from Manu; the paper won't be for his lovely game~ [*]being subject to a far superior being who most likely loves MD less than you, and accordingly is less active [*]less work! longer deadlines! [/list]Now, possessing the character I do, I can understand why you might not like these stipulations. In that case, I can merrily forget this whole idea and maybe someone else will pick it up--or it will die. Honestly, it's up to you. Those who don't care, assuming there are some, have to reconfirm interest in this project. I don't want to hear about what you want to do if you want to do anything for the newspaper, honestly; just tell me if you still want a nice little pretty paper. I will spend extra effort to recontact myrrh-listpersons and ask them regardless of whether or not they see this thread.. eventually, anyway. Have questions? Ask.

I think you misunderstood, lightsage-Awimale; the Awi I spoke of first just has the same name as Awi who posted after. I don't make mistakes, so the Awi I spoke of first is female. Therefore, since you insist on your proud possession of masculinity, there are two awiiyas: one female and one male. As to inferiority, I don't see your point. I never claimed my truths should affect your views; dry. Hrrrh. I suppose I'm supposed to defend my supposition. [codebox]differences Awimale spoke of = traits generally belonging to one gender (f) + traits generally belonging to another gender (m) Where Glai is the judger and traits are measured in worthiness rather than quantity: traits generally belonging to one gender (f) > traits generally belonging to another gender (m) Therefore, in general, when the worthiness of possessed traits measures the magnitude of gender and Glai is the aribitrator: one gender (f) > another gender (m).[/codebox] This is a truth where Glai is concerned, and if I already have a disclaimer that says that all content in my posts only concern my own self. As I said, if you mean to communicate a point, you're not doing so well. I don't suppose you're going to argue that one should not judge a character trait as better than another? Especially a gender-specific trait? Or were you just saying that so I could happily know your own opinion? In that case, why, I am happy to know your opinion. EDIT: Lu says I'm being mean. I apologize for my mean behavior. Do not be bothered by my meanness. I will be going now; can't continuously post on the forums for so long. P.S. One of the levels of the Medusa creature or whatever it's named now looks like an archer because it is holding its thin tail as one would a bow. And the tail looks a little like a bow. Too lazy to look it up and link it, sorry.