Firsanthalas

Actually all blood becomes useless after a few days at most. Unless of course you happen to have the means to store it, but even then the shelf life is limited to about a month I think. As for your being let out. It seems you were to be released, then no, you were to serve your sentence. I think you would have to concede that there was more than a little confusion about what was actually the situation.

Yup 20 silver

Right, I am in.

TigerGuardian, I suggest you seek out Mya, Sharazhad or myself and discuss this further.

Huh? That doesn't make sense at all. They are essentially pooling their funds. It sounds like you are simply trying to force Darigan to beat any bid himself and then take Kyphis's extra 10 on top. That isn't the way an auction works. By your logic I bid 20. The bid stands at 20, I am the highest bidder. The avi will go to me should nobody else bid higher.

Sparrhawk. I am not accusing you of planning anything in secret. I am simply saying that it was never brought to my attention before being made public. You say that Knator Commander was not respected, yet it seems ok for that trend to continue? Announcing any guild, governmental or otherwise while using the name of a land gives the impression that it is official or endorsed. Right now, Mur has forbidden people to use the name or part of a name of a land for a single person. Yet it is ok to use it for an entire group? And one that, as you say yourself is supposed to be unofficial? Can you not see the issue here at all? On a final note about guilds. Only Mur can setup a guild. We can setup a group in the hopes that it will be recognised as a guild in time. But ultimately that power rests with Mur. So anyone declaring guilds could result in Mur's wrath. And I say again. You cannot expect me to be able to speak to each and every person in Loreroot individually. When have you ever sought to speak to me? When have I ever refused to speak to you? As for transparency, I am transparent. I do speak to the leaders of the various alliances in Loreroot. (The fact that it is public knowledge that Rhaegar and myself have had problems since day one illustrates that fact.) I make my views very clear to them and they let me know too. Suddenly announcing guilds is not transparency is it? And it is disrespectful to the king. One of the issues that has plagued Loreroot is this sense that people can do as they please with no consideration for the impact it may have on their fellow citizens, MD in general and Mur even. You may even think that this is not a big deal, but that is where it starts.

Sparrhawk, The issue is not the idea, it never was. The idea has merit. The issue was the manner in which it was simply declared as being official and the reaction afterwards. They say that the road to hell is paved with the best intentions. For starters, if a guild or group is supposed to be somehow representative of a land, then it must go through a process whereby others can see it and give their opinions. If you wish to build a house or start a company, there are things you have to do. Planning permission, registering, patent checks etc etc. You cannot work on something and then simply decide that it is official. It doesn't work that way. Take the COE. The COE did not simply exist officially one day because one or two people decided it was a good idea. (I know this is an extreme example and not entirely the same, but you get the idea). There is a tendency for people to get an idea and want to push it through quickly without really considering the consequences. Furthermore, if people are running around working on projects or plans without telling people, how do you know that it is not going to interfere with other things going on? You could have two groups working on essentially the same thing simultaneously, yet independently. Consider the land as a company called Loreroot Inc. You have the department managers, Tarquinus, Marvolo, Mya, The Sybil and a few others perhaps, and then you have the MD, the king. A company organises itself and determines what resources and personnel go into different tasks, like R & D, or product creation, marketing etc. You may be on a development team, but other people in the company will be involved at some point, be it packaging, branding, marketing, pricing, or whatever. It works because there is management and communication. If the R & D department decided to take it upon themselves to research, develop, manufacture and market a product and then distribute it without anyone else knowing what would happen? The issue is not about control for the sake of control, but for the sake of the sanity and image of Loreroot Inc. You don't want the stock value of Loreroot Inc to tumble and leave it open to a hostile takeover or near bankruptcy do you?

You are not a leader, you were one. And for the record you are not behaving like one either. There is a court, just not one that is good enough for you. You know I discuss things with leaders in LR. You were at the meetings. And we discussed things out of meetings. Although it appears that you decided what you should and shouldn't discuss with me. Goodluck.

The main issue of my reign is whatever you decide it is and whatever you feel is a weak point for you to beat me with. If there are 100 items and I have done 99 correct and 1 incorrect, you will focus on the 1 incorrect one and claim that as justification. I am sure I have made mistakes. I do not claim not to have. I am done answering your questions and playing your little game. I don't answer to you. I am done answering you.

Sparrhawk, You or anyone else are free to work on a project such as you have. What you have to realise, is that nobody can simply start announcing things such as guilds of a land, or titles as being final or a matter of fact. Also, I am one person, you are many. It is simply not possible for me to be checking in on each and every person to see if they might have something cooking. I just can't, it isn't possible. You each have alliance leaders, then there is me. YOu can discuss things with your leaders and ask them to discuss it with me, or you can simply ask me directly. Rhaegar himself said that he didn't bring it to my attention because I would shoot it down. What is he now a mind reader? That in itself is an admition that he sought to undermine me. I cannot allow that. It is not a case of me trying to get credit for the work or ideas of other people. I don't do that. Look at the crest/logo/coat of arms. Had I seen it I could have pointed out the potential for problems it would cause. This is exactly the kind of thing Rhaegar slams me for. The sad fact remains, that this whole debacle arose because some person or persons decided that they know best and have no need to answer to any higher power. They do. Had they done so, we would not be having this discussion right now. I think it is pretty unfair to try to blame me for someone elses mistake. I have never intentionally shown you any disrespect. I have said to people that I value your martial strength and contributions to the land. But I do feel right now, that you have little if any respect for me. I don't understand the need to work on things in secret. I am sure that there are people who can attest to the fact that I do lend my support to things and do not seek to take-over or obstruct them.

Oh and I forgot to mention that I have my puppet installed in the Church. Good man Marvolo, keep up the good work. (By the way, that was sarcasm, unless of course you actually feel taht Marvolo is actually a puppet?) You held an alliance, off you go and get your loyal followers to demand an election. The only thing that I will say to them, is to ask them read for themselves what is going on and decide if I am being unreasonable and unjust. I have restored Blackwood his citizenship and Marvolo said he will return him to the Savelites. And I have done this knowing full well that Blackwood is unhappy with me. So he may well opt to ask for me to go, but I have done this anyway. I don't think it can be said that I am out to remove people for simply disagreeing with me. I have been true to my word. I have not sought to destroy or corrupt the Savelite Church and I have respected their wishes.

Rhaegar, honestly. If you have support, you don't need any war. You simply show that you have a sizable group of people in Loreroot that wish me gone. Then you have grounds for an election. You keep talking about wars and duels and payback, but not elections. You wanted Mur to give you the kingship. This really sounds like you know best and you want to lead regardless. Speaker of the Forest. That was my intention. Mur decided it would detract from the king idea and make it less recognisable. I did ask him about changing it. You can ask him yourself. My title description, was also created by Mur, not by me. On the Court. I have already stated that meeting with people is difficult due to differing schedules. You know this only too well yourself, so come on now. I still try to do it and I still talk to people beyond more formal meetings. There are about 3 maybe 4 non alliance citizens in Loreroot presently. That is hardly enough to warrant a place on any court. It is also my belief that one or more of them may choose an alliance. And nobody has ever brought it up as an issue at all. I have turned you down on things. Big whoop. I have also allowed you to go ahead with things too. Maybe I turn down a lot more requests than consider approving, but what does that mean? We are keeping a score? A tally? If I don't approve of every second or third one of a person's ideas I am an evil monarch?

My decision to excommunicate Blackwood was based on the fact that he appeared to be in league with a group set on rebellion and refusing to accept the laws of citizenship and Loreroot. I would like to say that I did discuss with other people before I made the decision. Some may say that he never said 'I want to rebel' or 'I do not accept the crown'. However, he did seem to pledge support to Rhaegar while such talk was going on and he didn't seem to play down of object to such things either. But, let us put semantics aside. I accept that Blackwood has declared that he accept the rules of citizenship. I also accept that Rhaegar is his friend and his alliance leader of old. I respect his feelings of loyalty to Rhaegar and his feeling to support a friend. I have no issue that he is unhappy about things either. My action was not personal. I apologise to Blackwood if feels that I was attacking or punishing him personally. I request that Mur remove Blackwood from jail and declare that the excommunication order is revoked in the case of Blackwood Forest. I also feel that he should be allowed to return to the Savelites Church.

[quote] By submiting this form you agree to obey the laws of the land you selected and obey its ruler.[/quote] This is on the citizenship application page. Furthermore, it stands to reason. A citizen of any country must agree to accept the rules of the country and it's leadership. In any democratic state people vote against the government that is elected. Some people even run against that group. People are free to speak their mind and say that they don't agree with policies etc. But you can't turn around and say that you do not recognise the government, yet continue to claim that you are a citizen. Yet, you cannot simply state that you are not a citizen and you don't have to obey the law and pay taxes etc. People are free to disagree with me. I do not toss people in jail that oppose me. However, I cannot allow people to refute my position and say that they are loyal to an alliance leader and not the crown. This is not even a personal issue, it is a duty that I have to the position of the crown, the people and the law of the land. The king is a democratically elected position. That has to be protected, otherwise I am allowing an assault on democracy itself. You or nobody else can claim leadership to your alliance leader over the crown. If I were not king, Mya would be loyal to the crown first and me second. So would all the Guardians. A further point on excommunicating people and me removing my opposition. I have had a constant battle of wills, ego, personality, views or whatever you want to call it with Rhaegar in particular. I have and will continue to have differing views with other people too. However, I could have simply jailed Rhaegar at anytime, if that was my desire. I didn't need tools to do this. I simply had to make a request, as Peace did sometime ago. When Rhaegar defied a royal decree and refused to accept the crown and make the claims he did, I had no choice but to remove him. I could not let such behaviour go. As I have said, he should have left if he couldn't abide the election results. And as you have said yourself, you and he have decided that I am a traitor and other things. It seems clear that you are not interested in anything that I have to say. You have made up your minds. I tried to work with Rhaegar for a very long time. I have defended him on the forums for the world to see and I have chastised him, when he has been foolish. I have spoken my mind at all times.I have made my thoughts and feelings clear to people, even people I was at odds with. You can say that I pushed Amoran from the leadership of the Guardians for instance. But there was nothing underhanded in that. We did not see eye to eye. We both had issue with each other at the time. There was nothing hidden about it. There was never any attempt to seize power by nefarious means. No clandestine invites to outside parties. Afterwards, we attempted to rebuild some trust and heal wounds. By your logic, I would have simply tossed her to the wind, removed her as an enemy. I didn't. I believe that she fell foul to nonsense and acted out of character to her usual self. We both hurt each other and we both have different views on things. But I respect her and I try to be fair and listen, even when I don't like what she has to say. As Mike said, it is checks and balances. She helps keep me grounded and see other points of view. I never attempted to remove Raven, despite what you think. There where times that I was unhappy with his decisions and in fact he ignored my council on some diplomatic matters. I feel that had he listened to me a lot of things could have turned out differently. To claim that his departure was my fault because I failed to stop a war is really silly. You might as well blame every diplomat for every war that has ever happened. Furthermore, it was you that helped to kick start that whole mess. You, not me. You really should take responsibility for your actions and not pass the blame to scapegoats. Concerning Blackwood. I have said that I excommunicated him for seemingly siding and supporting an illegal rebellion and attempt to start a civil war. It looked to me (and others I might add) that he was throwing his towel in with Rhaegar and you. That being said, I have said that if I was in error, I would reverse the decision. He doesn't have to kiss my boots and promise to blindly obey me. BUT, he does have to accept citizenship and therefore the position and sovereignty of the crown. I am waiting to hear back from him and I hope that there is nothing more than a misunderstanding and that will be made clear. Excommunicating the Savelites. I never said that. I gave the Savelites the option to remove the entire alliance from Loreroot. THE OPTION. I was showing that I did not blame them and had intention to disband them or take them over. I even said that Rhaegar could lead them, but not within Loreroot. I think that is more than fair. It seems that Marvolo has chosen to keep the Savels as part of Loreroot and I am more than happy to hear that, as most people in Loreroot are I am sure.

Err...you are completely missing the point. Unless there is a majority of people that want me to step down, then I am king. You are simply acting like a rabble rouser and malcontent. The notion of a king conceding to duel with everyone that doesn't agree with them is ridiculous. You are in no position to make ultimatums or threats. You can go and try to take the throne by force, but all that will be is an unlawful coup and will have no meaning. You are going against the law of the land and the will of the people. I will step down if that is the wish of the people. I am beholden to them, not to you or any other malcontents and trouble makers.

Firsanthalas at yahoo dot com

I will repeat. From what transpired it appears to me that you have thrown your towel in with Rhaegar and his plans for a rebellion. If I am error all you have to do is say that I am in error. I consider this to be rather magnanimous. I am telling you that I am willing to say I was wrong, apologise and correct the error. I honestly cannot see how I can be anymore fair or just. Some people may even say that I am mad to admit that I may have been incorrect. I am not all knowing and all powerful. I am a human and can make mistakes. Yet your response seems to be to call me a nazi? Am I truly that bad? Am I truly so unreasonable a person?

Ok. You have participated in a very public display of intent to incite rebellion and civil war in Loreroot. I would like to add that I have repeatedly said that people are free to speak to me and express their opinions. I have also left a significant amount of time between the event and the reaction. You or anyone else are free to question my authority, but not the legitimacy of my position. You can seek to have me removed by appropriate means, however rebellion, is not appropriate. It is not an attack on me personally either, but on an entire land. If you are willing to state that you recognise the throne and obey the rules of citizenship that is fine. This doesn't mean that you have to agree with all my decisions or suck up to me. You openly pledged your support to Rhaegar and his cause. That is an act of treason. You never made any contact with me to give me any indication to the contrary. If you feel that I have been unfair and that you are not in support of a rebellion then say so. I will gladly revoke the excommunication. I am not afraid to admit if I am in error. However, given your public declaration and nothing to the contrary, my action was justified and indeed warranted. You are free to disagree with me, you are free to say so, but you are not free to be involved in rebellion and insurrection.

For acts of treason, I hereby sentence Blackthorn and Blackwood Forest to be excommunicated from Loreroot. The king of Loreroot was elected fairly and legally, therefore is not a ‘false king’ or ‘usurper’. Inciting rebellion is an act of treason. Refusing to accept the king is contrary to the rules of citizenship. As I have already said, if you can’t or won’t accept the king you are in contravention to the rules of citizenship. You should not be in the land. Anyone may voice their objections to my actions, but inciting rebellion is too much. There are ways to go about things, rebellion and civil war are not the way to go. You will never have a situation where everyone will be happy with a situation. You cannot have a few people try to usurp the rule of law and the voice of the people. As king I will not allow this to happen. I am subject to the will of the people, not an angry few, who themselves don’t seem to have ever accepted the will of the people to begin with. Some may feel that I am simply removing any opposition. I am not. I am acting as is appropriate against people that are clearly committing acts of treason. Anyone is free to voice their unhappiness. I am not ‘out to get’ any group or individual. You have a voice and are free to use it. Acts of treason, inciting rebellion and creating feuds are not acceptable though. They only damage Loreroot and create hurt. If this was let go unpunished then no future king or governing group could ever function. Everytime someone felt they didn’t like the outcome of elections or actions taken, then we would have unrest. If people feel that I have become tyrannical and lost the plot it is up to you to voice that. Indeed I plead for you the people to stand up and voice your opinions on the matters at hand. Loreroot is not just my domain, it is the home of many. So far I feel that I have the support of the majority, but many have thus far been silent. You should speak up and let your voice be heard. As justification of the charge of treason, I submit this extract of a conversation at Bob last night. [spoiler] [07/06/10 23:51] BlackThorn:it seems wr has come again [07/06/10 23:51] BlackThorn:The usurper of Loreroot has been called out [07/06/10 23:52] :redneck nods to blackthorn [07/06/10 23:52] BlackThorn:it seems betrayal is not something Firsanthalas can keep hidden forever [07/06/10 23:52] Blackwood Forest:my fellow brother [07/06/10 23:52] :Blackwood Forest holds Rhaegars shoulders [07/06/10 23:53] :Princ Rhaegar nods to his brother and taps his shoulder in return [07/06/10 23:53] redneck:theres going ot be war? [07/06/10 23:53] Blackwood Forest:you won´t be alone! [07/06/10 23:53] Princ Rhaegar:I spit on the day that whelp got borned in this realm. [07/06/10 23:53] Princ Rhaegar:I am sorry to bring this to you all... [07/06/10 23:53] Princ Rhaegar:those who aren't willing to step up, I won't hold grudge against. [07/06/10 23:54] Princ Rhaegar:but I will take my teeth to Firsanthalas and I will do my best to end his pitifuly reign. [07/06/10 23:54] Princ Rhaegar:Fire and Blood [07/06/10 23:55] redneck:whos going to war loreroot and necro? [07/06/10 23:55] Blackwood Forest:brothers in arms [07/06/10 23:55] :Ailith stands and places her hand on Bob [07/06/10 23:55] Princ Rhaegar:no redneck. Civil war of Loreroot. [07/06/10 23:55] Princ Rhaegar:a sad day. [07/06/10 23:56] Blackwood Forest:a very sad day [07/06/10 23:56] Blackwood Forest:you won´t be involved my friends *puts a hand on Bob* [07/06/10 23:56] BlackThorn:the day has been long in coming [07/06/10 23:57] BlackThorn:history does not forget...and niehter do I [07/06/10 23:57] :Princ Rhaegar smiles [07/06/10 23:57] Princ Rhaegar:it has been an honor [07/06/10 23:57] Princ Rhaegar:to be part of something with you all, brothers. [07/06/10 23:58] Princ Rhaegar:if I die, I will die for what I believe in, knowing that I couldn't have chose a better company than you. [07/06/10 23:58] BlackThorn:It ws Firsan the ass who betrayed Raven to Yrthillian long ago.. [07/06/10 23:58] redneck:civla war loreroot fighting lorerootians? [07/06/10 23:58] redneck:firsanthalas is an asshole>> [07/06/10 23:59] Blackwood Forest:dont use that kind of language redneck! [08/06/10 00:00] Princ Rhaegar:I hope history indeed won't forget, my brother. [08/06/10 00:01] Blackwood Forest:try to make your mind open and clear but intelligent [08/06/10 00:01] redneck:ok sorry i just like aying my opinion>> [08/06/10 00:02] BlackThorn:we must gather our army Lord Rhaegar [08/06/10 00:02] BlackThorn:It is a good opinion [08/06/10 00:02] redneck:princ why were you excommunicated? [08/06/10 00:02] Blackwood Forest:read the forum redneck [08/06/10 00:02] Blackwood Forest: [Forum link] [08/06/10 00:03] redneck:kk [08/06/10 00:03] Blackwood Forest: (brb) [08/06/10 00:09] Princ Rhaegar:i will need to depart my brothers [08/06/10 00:09] Princ Rhaegar:my determination will not fade. [08/06/10 00:10] Princ Rhaegar:take care of yourselves... [08/06/10 00:10] Princ Rhaegar:dark days await. [08/06/10 00:10] redneck:thats wrong>< [08/06/10 00:12] redneck:princ i would be furious alwso>< [08/06/10 00:14] :Princ Rhaegar smiles [08/06/10 00:14] Princ Rhaegar:life is wrong, my friend. [08/06/10 00:14] redneck:im not to good now to fight i odnt have tokens anymore but i od have a 5 digit attack now>> [08/06/10 00:14] Princ Rhaegar:you would join our cause? [08/06/10 00:14] redneck:yeah [08/06/10 00:15] Princ Rhaegar:then I welcome you warmly, friend. Now that we are shaping future of many. [08/06/10 00:15] Princ Rhaegar:Know* [08/06/10 00:15] redneck:yup [08/06/10 00:15] BlackThorn:even if Firsan the ass kicks us all out...we will never stop untill he is no more [08/06/10 00:16] Princ Rhaegar:glad to see you so determined brother. [08/06/10 00:18] Blackwood Forest:can you heal me brother? [08/06/10 00:18] BlackThorn:my blood is on the sacred ground of Loreroot...you will ever have my fealty Prince Rhaegar [08/06/10 00:19] Princ Rhaegar:of course [08/06/10 00:19] :[Spell] Blessings of Savelfuser - Blackwood Forest [08/06/10 00:19] :Princ Rhaegar taps Blackthorn's shoulder [08/06/10 00:20] Princ Rhaegar:i feel a hell of a lot easier now [08/06/10 00:20] Princ Rhaegar:when the burden has been lifted from my thoughts [08/06/10 00:20] Princ Rhaegar:and my enemy revealed himself [08/06/10 00:22] redneck:cant wait for my new avatar princ will look cool [08/06/10 00:22] Blackwood Forest:good night all [08/06/10 00:22] :Blackwood Forest lays to the wall and snoozes away [08/06/10 00:22] Princ Rhaegar:hahaha, all the best with it, my friend. [08/06/10 00:22] Princ Rhaegar:good night my brother. may you stay undisturbed. [08/06/10 00:23] redneck:night [08/06/10 00:23] Princ Rhaegar:Great Ghost will protect you from tain of our home. [08/06/10 00:23] Princ Rhaegar:taint* [08/06/10 00:23] Princ Rhaegar:I'll be going as well [08/06/10 00:23] Princ Rhaegar:will be sleeping here... [08/06/10 00:24] Princ Rhaegar:we will stay in touch, redneck *smiles* [08/06/10 00:24] Princ Rhaegar:good night to you all. [/spoiler]

Ud, there was a meeting held a while ago. Rhaegar, Clockmaster, Amoran, Tarquinus, Mya and myself were there. As Mya said earlier, there was no mention of any 'Rangers' group brought up. Princ did bring up an idea a long time ago about an elite group, but I rejected that for very simple reasons. I don't want to go into it, but suffice it to say that the purpose of this group would have resulted in a lot of arguments, not just within Loreroot, but beyond it too. For the record, setting up a group of people to assist with training was discussed. However, there was never any mention of forming any kind of guild at all. It was also said that we would meet up and evaluate things later on (I may be in error here, but given that Mike is currently in jail and his name was mentioned, I am sure that is correct). I don't need to justify myself by the way. Princ's words and actions are here for everyone to see. If defying and threatening the king, saying you don't accept them and are not a citizen of the land is not a declaration of treason I really don't know what is. A citizen doesn't have to agree with me, they don't have to like every decision, but they do have to acknowledge the ruler. If they can't or won't do that, then they have no place in the land. On a final note, you can say that I am taking this personally. However, as king, I have a duty of care to the land and the title of king. It would be a failure for me to not prosecute such wanton acts of treason, which would weaken and devalue the position of king.

You were removed because you openly stated you did not recognise the king nor consider yourself a citizen of Loreroot. The kings were brought in and you have to either accept them or leave. You, yourself ran in the contest for kingship, so even if you didn't like the idea, you at least accepted it. Nobody can expect to renounce the king and refuse to accept them and expect the king to simply shrug their shoulders. It would make the king look like a fool indeed. You forced the issue and you brought this upon yourself. (edited to be less confrontational and more reasonable)

The simple fact of the matter is that Loreroot has a king. If you cannot or will not accept this fact and accept that I am that king (for now at least) you need to leave and go elsewhere. Once you join an alliance, you are also accepting citizenship. I spoke to Rhaegar about this before. If you have been in an alliance before the kingship came to being, then you should have left if you didn’t accept it. By staying, you confirmed your acceptance as citizenship. Technically, I could demand that nobody joins any alliance in Loreroot until they have accepted citizenship. I haven’t done this, because I didn’t want to interfere with the autonomy of the alliances with regard to recruiting. However, autonomy for alliances is not absolute. Each alliance has to hold allegiance to the land and its laws and ruler. Alliances cannot speak for the land as a whole. They can’t make promises or actions that will affect the land as a whole. For example, it is not their place to speak for an entire land. (I am of course referring to lands with multiple alliances and a king) As for governance, I have made efforts to consult with the relevant alliance leaders. This process has been hard for many reasons, but regardless you all know that you can approach me and I will listen to you and give careful consideration to you and your concerns/requests/ideas. In fact I insisted that when such meetings take place that each party be represented by two people. I might add that you yourself, Rhaegar, disliked this idea and wanted to attend meetings solely at first. Regardless of whether an idea has merit or not, the fact remains that you can’t have a situation where people feel it is acceptable to create guilds/groups, or a title that is associated with the land. Berating the king publicly and threatening him is also inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour. It can’t and won’t be tolerated. If it was, everyone would be doing it. It is my personal opinion that Loreroot has a bad reputation. I feel that often it is a little unfair, but I would be an idiot to not see that there have been and continue to be problems. Some would perhaps, say that I have fostered such things by not having a firm enough hand. In truth, I have tried to work with people and not against them. I don’t and won’t always agree to things. And yes, this may result in things looking like they are not moving forward or moving at all. However, I disagree with this. I think that we have come a long way and many things have been done and considered. I do ask people what they think and do try to consider their ideas. I do not just shoot them down and do nothing. Again, I say that I have an open door policy. That being said there will and have been, decisions that I will make without consulting people. The fact is that nothing would get done otherwise. If something would affect a particular group within Loreroot I would speak to them first. And now to the matter at hand. Rhaegar has renounced his citizenship and refused to accept me as king, even though I was elected fairly. As I said at the start, if you are unhappy you should leave. He has also, to my mind at least, made threats against his king. This is beyond acceptable and tolerable. I hereby revoke his citizenship and as such decree that he may no longer be a member of any Loreroot alliance. I will give the Savelites the option to debate their situation among themselves and return to me with a decision. The choice is simple: remain in Loreroot and accept the situation, or leave Loreroot. By leave, I mean that the alliance will continue to exist, but will have to go to another land. (although you would have to consult Mur and/or other lands about where you would end up). (Of course, individual members may just leave the alliance and Loreroot if they can't abide the kingship.) I should add that I have no desire to see them leave, but if you all wish to continue the Savelite church under Rhaegar’s leadership, then this is the option available to you. Firs, King of Loreroot

Authority..... I'm the king. I know you've never liked it, but there it is. Working together....Exactly! You decided to set a group up without consultation. For the record, I would most likely have not objected to the group, but the fact remains, you don't have the authority to create any group or title on behalf of Loreroot. Why don't you just name yourself as 'Heir to the throne of Loreroot' or the 'Real King of Loreroot'. You can wail and moan as much as you like. The simple fact is it is a neccessary requirement so that abuses and liberties don't occur. Loreroot gets a bad reputation because of precisely this kind of moronic rubbish. I have made a decree as king. You could have spoken to me and asked that the Rangers of Loreroot be made official. You didn't. I have had enough of it now really. You know where the door is. If you can't follow my rule, then leave. The choice is yours. And should you decide that you won't leave, but feel you can continue to ignore me or berate me, then I will show you the door personally. The choice is yours to make. This applies to anyone else that has similar issues. My door is always open to any of you and you all know it. So I will not entertain you or anyone else behaving like this.

I suggest that you actually read what I said rather than just assuming that I am purely shooting you down personally. The trashheap has spoken. I suggest you go away and calm down and think about it for a bit.

Err.....WRONG! Neither you nor anyone else can take it upon themselves to create or claim any group or title in Loreroot. You are attempting to represent or hold some title of the land. You cannot do this. No citizen of any land* can. Had you discussed this properly, it would most likely not have been an issue (the group that is, I'm not getting into the flag/symbol issue). The fact is that you didn't. If you don't like this fact, you know where the door is. * Note: No citizen of a land with a monarch at anyrate. This may seem presumptious to speak for the other kings, but it is a simple fact that it s they who are responisble for such things in their lands, not every Joe soap that decides to take matters upon themselves.