Firsanthalas

Furthermore, I'd like to point out that ALL five of the quests on the quest page are open to ANYONE. And two of the quest runners are not aligned to a land with a king.

Actually Kamisha, Mur told us to only give the WPs for quest creation purposes to people from our own lands. The WPs are supposed to be used for the welfare of the land. Giving them out as has happened with a few kings is a way to give something to others too. And again, there is nothing to stop ye from doing a quest and using the reward for running a quest, rather than for your personal use. And again, I point out that there was little take-up on my quest for WPs. So I think that its a bit rich to complain about it. Go and do the bloody quests that are out there and stop moaning about it. If you really want to run a quest and just don't have WPs, then ask around. There are ways and means to get them. Also, not every quest needs WPs as rewards you know.

Sorry Shadow but I disagree with you. As for fairness. Every quest discriminates in some fashion. Any quest that involves a race element (.e. top 3 etc) is discriminatory. It gives people that are around at the time of launch an advantage. People with more time in MD gain an advantage. If you look at the WPs its heavily routed in the hands of a minority of people. I've seen quests that involve art, therefore if you no little about art, you are at a disadvantage. Some quests involve codes. Not everyone is good at code breaking. Everyone is different and has different capabilities and time constraints. There will always be inequity. I'm sorry, but its my opinion and belief that some people will not do a quest purely on the basis that certain people like dst and yourself are participating. And I re-iterate my point. I think that having a chance to win a WP because you have chosen to join a land is not a bad thing. IF, it turns out that all lands and quests go like that then I'd agree it should be changed, but currently that is just not the case. And I have also seen people like Cutler ask for WPs in exchange for doing work.

Couple of points here. First up, having quests only open to citizens of a land is not a bad thing imo. It gives a purpose and added reward to citizenship. Although, if all quests started to go that way it would be bad. Personally I don't and won't restrict ALL my quests to LR only people, BUT I will have SOME. (My current and previous quest are and were open to people beyond LR. Infact my last one was targeted at the lands with no kings) Secondly, even though WPs may only be given to quest creators from a particular land, they are often open to be won by any citizen. Thirdly, I recently ran a quest that would give quest creators a chance to gain WPs to sponsor their quest. Yes there was a clause, but there were still WPs on offer that could go to people from any land. The uptake of the quest was exceptionally poor. Only about 6 people bothered to enter and at least one person didn't follow the very simple instructions and another submitted a quest that was only pending approval from other sources. Its my personal opinion that the interest and uptake in quests in general is poor. I suggest that people start doing quests rather than moaning about it. This may seem harsh, but I purposely set quests that are not overly complicated and involve MD itself, rather than inane running around or mind bending brainteasers, or quests which generally rely on knowledge of a specific field. I'm not saying such quests are bad per say, merely that I try to set things that are different, maybe quirky and don't require you to have a degree in maths, cryptology, science, art, whatever. Its good to have different types of quests that can suit different people. Bottom line though, I tend to feel people don't really bother with quests much and even when they do enter, the quality is often quite poor imo.

To quote the MD page itself: 'Multiplayer roleplaying browser game. MagicDuel is a unique fantasy mmorpg unlike anything you played before. Players can shape the game world with their actions, daily updates and an amazing community, player made quests and unique gameplay make it worthy experience you will never forget. Tags: fatasy role-playing games, browser mmorpg game, free multiplayer adventure.' So if it isn't a roleplaying game, perhaps that should be changed to 'stat munching game' or 'the game of zero tolerance'? This might seem negative, but its a reflection of my current mood about things. I am hoping to be enlightened and encouraged now.

Yeah happy birthday cheeky.

Perhaps you should ask yourself [b]Why[/b] MD seems boring? Lack of people around seems one. Lack of any concentration of people too. GGG seems to be the only area where you can expect a concentration of people, but it is remote. There was a more central location once upon a time, but that was torn down, much the same way that it seems that people now want to tear down GGG. To Fenrir I'd say this. You claim to have ideas that are for the benefit of MD, yet almost all your views get severe negative comments and score all the time. Are you so sure that your ideas are actually helping? I think its great that you obviously know what we all need. I feel much better knowing that we have people like you to guide us in the directions we need to go in, cos we are obviously so idiotic that we can't possibly think for ourselves and the fact that most people can't seem to agree with you just proves that. And perhaps ye should put more emphasis on MD itself rather than seemingly endless hours devoted to forum rants.

I don't know but I've been told, someone here is getting old. Don't you worry, don't you fear, it only happens once a year. Happy birthday Mya.

Agreed. Also, trying to restrict tokens would actually just make them more powerful for those that happen to already have them. It would make it even harder for people that don't have tokens. Tokens should give a nice boost, but not too much. They should be nice to have, but not necessary. Right now they are falling more and more into the necessary category.

Random token application also seems to add to things though. Some tokens are completely useless on certain creatures or indeed can make them useless. Couple this with the fact that people are getting what they want on creatures anyway, by paying money etc and you have a system which currently favours those with money/coins/whatever to spare. Another thing is this. Currently tokens completely mess up creatures like rusties. While I agree that you shouldn't need money to play, spending money should give you something nice. Currently it seems that rusties are becoming more and more devalued unless you lob tokens onto them (you can actually apply that to any creature, but rusties are a good example as its really hard to get them with just free credits). Basically combat seems to be devolving into who has the most rusties (and a few other creatures like angiens) and the most tokens on them. Given that rusties and tokens require money........... (I know that some people don't spend money and manage to get things via trading, but to me that is also an issue.) On the reverse it seems to me that there is nothing really for the people that do pay money via a subscription. Okay okay, you can get bonus credits blah blah, but pretty much anything you can purchase can be gained by trading it seems. Granted there are powerups and boosters, but some of them seem pricey to me and not great. 1 credit for 1500 heat for example. Paying credits for random allocated tokens, that wheeler dealers are managing to get as they want, or indeed make a profit from providing the service. Personally, I kind of feel that people are funding other people's pockets at times rather than MD itself. Just my opinions of course

I would like to speak to you about this Sir Blut. Seek me out please.

Well, I mean description more so than just title. But title is good.

Currently my description is 'Supreme Ruler of Loreroot'. Not overly keen on that to be honest. So, What do you think it should be? Give your suggestions here.

Jelly

[quote]So, basically you're suggesting that we shouldn't try to make a profit?[/quote] No, I am suggesting that you shouldn't buy a shop item for the purpose of making a quick buck. If you want to trade items that you have with others, well nobody can stop you. Infact the shop can even act as an agent to ensure fairness (for a small fee). But the purpose of the shop is to try to get and keep items moving and raw materials available for item creation. So buying shop items to sell on for a profit and/or for 'collectors' is completely contrary to the shops aims. I am not trying to stop people making profit. Just trying to make item creation and item flow better. Think of it as a kind of co-operative. Yes you can go to the independent trader and get better deals. Or you can go to the co-operative and support your fellows and maybe in return get a better deal for yourself at some point in the future.

Ok, I'll have a look at that. Maybe something like: 1 pt per gold coin/15 silver donated 1 pt per item traded fairly (as in without a load of hassle) 1 pt per raw material sold to shop fairly 2 pts per raw material donated 3 pts per item donated -5 pts for breaking a trade agreement with a person (proof would have to be provided) -10 pts for attempting to scam in a trade brokered by the shop -20 pts for reselling to a collector or for profit in general -100 pts for stiffing (or attempting) the shop Bonus points for helping other get items or promoting fair trade. What do you think? That way an offender COULD buy their way back into good grace, but not without serious effort to do so. Open to change/comments.

Well you have kind of hit the nail on the head dst. It as I said, will only work with people's help. To be more clear, I would prefer to be trading items mainly and purchasing/selling raw materials. The aim is to allow items to move around. Some people may want an item for their character. By trading or donating items it makes it more likely that this will be possible. I won't take bids on items, but rather I'll try to give them to people who seem genuine. Raw materials could be bought, but given directly to a crafter on the basis of item creation. I realise that it will be open to abuse and there is every possibility that people will seek to buy items at a low price and then sell them on to a hoarder for a greater price. In short, neither I nor anyone else can stop that really. But we can refuse to deal with them further and maybe even create a blacklist. Granted you may get much less than you would selling to a 'collector', but equally, if you later require something, you could end up getting it much cheaper and with a lot less hassle. Again, I can only hope that good nature wins out and hopefully a collector will be satisfied with only one of each item. I dare say that if not, they are not collecting and merely hoarding, which is of no benefit to anybody at all.

Ok, already received some silver coins and 'Raw Wax' and 'Blackboard and Easel' I will post a list if and when I start to get a decent amount of items. If the shop isn't going to take off, I will return the items etc to the contributors (in case anyone was wondering). I'll try to idle or be active at the Paper Cabin for as much as possible over the next few hours, that way you should be able to donate items if you want to. I'll also buy items, but please try to keep it to a nominal fee.

Ok, due to a lot of things happening lately I have a proposal. I've been thinking of starting a shop/merchant service. Basically, I am asking you to sell or give me items. In return I will sell these items on to people for item creation or quest purposes. The idea is to do it for nominal fees and to try to keep things reasonably affordable. I'll run it on a non-profit basis, although there will be profits involved. Confused? Well, what I mean is this. Say you sell me something for 3 silver. I will sell it on for 4 or 5 say. I will then use the profits to keep towards being able to purchase further items. I will publish a list of items, cost and subsequent sale prices. That way you can all see what is going on and that it is all above board. Another facility will be as a trade officer. Basically, if you want to trade, both seller and buyer can transfer items/creatures/coins to me. Once I am satisfied that the arrangement is above board, I can pass things on to both parties. Done deal for both parties. I realise that this will result in an extra CTC transfer, but at least you will know you are getting the creature expected (if a creature is involved) or indeed getting it at all. This won't work without your help and relies on your good will to a large degree. The more you want for items the harder it will be to get working.

Items list dispatched to Mur. Don't send me anymore requests please.

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[quote]PS: did someone noticed that rants come from ''profi' rp;s? or their group? .. what can i say..in the end that profi rp ends...leaves nothing to do more and it simply end...it limits you[/quote] Guys! Can you seriously not see it? You just can't resist to take a pop at the 'others'. MD being divided? That is EXACTLY the problem. MD is broken down into little clans of friends and divisions between 'grinders' and 'RPrs'. Yes, people do need to start doing more. Yes people can try to make things more interesting. BUT, how the hell can they, when there always seems to be someone that wants to jump up and down on them because they don't agree? I've seen the dojo pulled cos people didn't like it, now we want the ggg pulled. I've seen quests condemned because we don't like 'story' quests or whatever bloody thing it happens to be. I've seen people shot down for attempting to offer to help out. Its going on ALL the time. Division of lands? Half the bloody people in alliances in different lands are alts. How the hell can you divide them when its the same bloody people involved? How can you have Alliance A at odds with alliance B, when Johnny is in both of them? Then what? I've seen conflict erupt WITHIN MD over matters OUTSIDE of it. Without getting into a debate on RP and what is good or bad, it seems that some people are completely incapable of distinquishing me (Barry) from Firsanthalas. And it seems that this inability in general is the cause of a lot of problems to boot. There ARE problems with MD that need to be resolved by MUR. There are ALSO problems that WE, as players can resolve. EVERYONE is seeking to blame someone else, or find fault with one area or group. It is NOT that simple. Its a multifaceted problem. It won't be fixed overnight. FACT: the AL has been dead since September. FACT: it does not represent player actions. If that is not the intention, then perhaps something like Yrth's suggestion of a PAL should be looked at. FACT: Combat does have serious issues and you can't get away from the fact that there is an issue with losses and stat loss for some. FACT: Quests are a mess. I have a load of WPs to give out for quests and there are almost zero going on in Loreroot right now. FACT: The torch competition in its current form is grossly unfair. If you want to have any contest between lands, then it has to be based on some principle of fairness. Right now it is not. I'm not sure what you expect kings or anyone else to do right now to be honest. Lets talk about people whining about lack of tools and abilities shall we. As king I can make a person a citizen of Loreroot. I also got a bank of WPs to distribute. That is it. I get requests from people for various things, which I have no control over. Before the ring was given I got continuous requests for citizenship and even complaints as to why I had rejected their applications (applications to a form in the side panel that doesn't work and therefore never got seen let alone rejected). It go so annoying that I asked to have an announcement made to say that kings couldn't make people citizens and didn't get the applications (as was the case at that time). I may be king of a land, but I am only one person at the end of the day and there is only so much that I can do. Perhaps I have fallen down in some areas (I know of one thing I have not done for a certain person). I need other people to help to get things moving too. Right now it just seems to be extremely difficult if not impossible. There just seems to be a general malaise about the place. Items. I have a list that I'll be sending to Mur later on. Personally, I think this is a total can of worms. Some people refuse to trade items, or if they do, want crazy prices. My personal opinion is that people are going to be unable to get hold of items they suggested after they are given out randomly. And then yours truly here is going to be listening to the whining afterwards. I am personally demoralised. It even seems that even when I try to keep doing things that I am 'too involved' or something. If I do nothing, then I am lazy, if I do something, I'm too involved. What do I do? This is not a 'poor me', this is simply how I feel and how I suspect many people here feel. There are a lot of people that are running quests or trying to be sociable in general in MD. But it just seems that people are all too quick to find fault with everyone else (and yes I'm sure I am guilty of that too). People around here seem incredibly keen to jump on and point out the bad things. You never really see anyone applauding the good. One final point. Regardless of whether or not you want to go around fighting or RP, MD needs interaction. Even if its just a simple chat. I can walk about MD most of the time I am on and there is bog all chat and interaction. I say hello to people and nothing. I can paint someone's head green and get no response. I'm not going to say that is the grinders fault, because to be honest, its daft. I can talk to people anywhere, the problem is they ain't talking back. There is currently talk of removing the GGG. Can I say simply that you seriously need to consider stuff like this VERY seriosusly. MD really really needs focal points. Places where you can go and expect to find people to talk to. Sanctuaries don't really fit the bill it seems. If you remove all the focal points, then you will really have a scattered and divided landscape. Every community has a focal point, it is part of what makes a community. And I have to say that some people that speak a lot on this forum don't seem to actually say much of anything within MD proper. Just something to think about.

You know what lets go ahead and remove GGG. Lets continue to remove every single thing that anyone sets up in MD because a few people have an issue with it. Actually, lets just go ahead and remove MD altogether. There's obviously not enough people for a certain few to pound on, so lets remove it so they can go elsewhere and do that. ANd lets face it, RP is rubbish and anyone that even attempts to RP is a waste of space and they should obviously spend there time wandering around with giant bullseyes on their backs. Infact, before we do that lets set those people's stats to 1 billion in everything so that they can feel good about themsleves for 5 seconds. I'm sick to death of listening to crap from people who like to whine and have issues with everything and everyone in MD. DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE AND STOP JUST PUTTING THINGS AND PEOPLE DOWN! NOTE: If you have a severe inability to comprehend sarcasm delete this posting from your mind. It does not do what it says on the tin.

Four silver for number 8

I'm sorry Mur but there is something that I have to say in regards to story. If the people in MD can make a difference then that has to be reflected. I completely accept that you have a vision of MD and a grand storyline, but there has also got to be scope for people to move and possibly even change things within it. Otherwise there is no consequence or importance to the actions of people. But even aside from any grand scheme, there are the day to day happenings in MD and story lines that have nothing to do with any grand scheme really, but yet, are part of the MD world and its people. The AL does not seem to reflect this at all. Its my personal feeling that many people are of the opinion that their ideas and actions don't count for anything. That will only lead to people having the opinion that there is no point in even trying to start anything going. Therefore you have stagnation and stagnation leads to death. I consider the AL to be the pulse of MD. Its a representation and information on what is happening in MD. Currently it looks like MD has not had a pulse since last September. Overall there is the impression that there is nothing happening and nothing at stake (at least if you go by the lack of AL activity). As one person, you can't know what is going on all the time, especially when you are not playing in MD itself much at times. The only thing that I can think of is this: Appoint a team of people (it should probably be the archivists, but they don't seem to be up to much (sorry guys, but you just don't seem to be doing anything. If you are, its a well kept secret) ) and have them report on what is going on. However, you could retain control on the actual updates of the AL. That way you can have a flow of material, which you can quickly vet and then put onto the AL (or not). Also, you have to remember that we don't know what your plans/visions are for MD, so we won't and can't always play along or behave as you expect. We are people, with our own motivations and desires and all the mayhem and oddities that come with. Perhaps its just me, but sometimes I get the impression that you are annoyed because people don't behave or think of things as you believe they should. Yet, at the same time, you tend to be very ambiguous or completely non-committal when it comes to discussing or telling people what you expect. I mean this with the greatest respect. Your not just the game creator, but you are the game manager and every manager needs to direct and delegate. You cannot do everything yourself. To use a very simple analogy, you are the manager of MD FC. You've had a few bad signings, but now you seem unwilling to sign a few new players and MD FC is starting to struggle in the league. Player morale is low and match attendance is flagging.