Yrthilian

OK this is anoying me now. Why was that topic closed? just because there is mention of this helpfull info already posted I will point out that it is NOT a sticky so is hard to find If you are going to close a topic then say you are and not just close it. AS mods you are suppose to stick to rules and nat flaunder your powers all over the forums. This is really starting to anoy me (incert a stronger word here). So pleadse if you are going to close a topic say you have done so and if you are refering to a topic made a long time ago make it a sticky if you fell it is good enough. People post what they think as they cant find if anyone else has said it.

well it depends on what leaders you wish to contact. and what allainces. The 4 main lands have there kings then there are the leaders of each allaince (there beeing 2 - 4 allainces between the 4 main land) then you have the nutral allainces. There is a large dept to each land. I would suggest that you first speak with as many people of each land and build your information form there. I will be honest you will find that so people are harder to contact then others. Good luck with what you wish to do here. Dont be shy to ask anyone as much as you can some will reply some wont but dont let that stop you.

OK i may have put this in the wrong section but i don't know But i am a bit annoyed at the moment so please forgive me on this Now i dont care what rules the kingship use to reward WP's or how the WP's must be awarded I dont make any such rules myself but we all have our was of doing things. So yeah i was a bit annoyed when i have people coming to me to resolve the issue as those rules were not mentioned in the quest. SO i am making this topic to point out that if you are given the WP codes from a kingship person and have agreed to the terms the stick to them. If you don't like it don't accept the WP codes. This issue can also be resolve by making sure you mention this in your quest and prize lists. I don't want to have to be forced into giving out WP codes for some miss understanding or because someone suddenly decided they didnt like the arangment between them and a kingship person. This is the only time i will do it for the sake of keeping the peace and WILL NOT do it again. Just make sure to include what ever special rules you have agreed to in your quest details. I am at this point still angered at the whole situation and will stop here or i will end up on a really big rant.

LOL more talk of taking a land Well i can tell you this much just because a land in neutral does not mean it is there for the taking. for example in RL Ireland is a neutral country but you cant just walking in and take it as your own. Neutrality just mean being neutral not taking sides. That land still is owned by the people of it and i am sure they will defend it well if anyone tried to take them over. I do NOT see any need to take a land and those land can manage them self well enough i am sure. If they want changes made the can work together to have them made. That is there advantage at the end of the day.

[quote name='Kafuuka' date='16 March 2010 - 02:31 PM' timestamp='1268749878' post='56499'] Not necessarily true. I'm certain some people who applied for citizenship are still being processed... although that kind of bureaucratic problem is very real life like. And there's also lands without kings. If one chose to be allied to such a land/guild/alliance before this issue arose, do you consider it wrong for them to stick to that decision? If I were king I would not want people to join my land solely for opportunistic reasons. [/quote] The issue with citizenship is another issue all together. But in regards to applying for citizenship. don't use the system! as it is not working and the kings don't get to see it at all as it is not complete. This i believe was already announced in the updates. Now with regards to the WP codes and giving WP's I do agree this needs to be separated. The WP codes are ownership of the kings and it is there choice and rule that governs those codes. As regards who those WP go to after the code is given. Well that is another matter. I for one don't limit the quest creators to land only or 1 forced to a land only player. but that is a personal thing. I cannot speak for the other kings as that is there choice on what they do with there codes. Paying for things useing WP's I will 100% admit i have done this and i have no qualms about doing it. I do it for very good reasons and i don't have to justify them here. Only Mur can ask that of me if he feels i have abused the WP codes. Now i agree on one matter of the WP's but then this comes down to each quest creator and how the wish to award the WP/code. I have given the codes to each persion i have sponcered and let them use it there way. This i believe is fair. But why should they just use the code its self and award the WP. Why not just reward the code after wards. It is just a suggestion of how to look at rewards. Making quests to gain codes is just another option in its self. Since this matter has been brought up about non land people not getting codes. I have been working on an idea as mentioned above. I will explain it when i have cleard up a few things first and then will anounce it. You may not like it then again you might but we will see. But i think for now we are happy to say this WP codes are the kings to do as they wish. assign as they please. It is what is done with the wish point after wards that is now the main issue. Am i correct in this? I want to be sure we are all on the same page so to speak

Ok let me get this clear. The issue is that people who are non land associated are upset they don't get WP's as easy as someone who is. This is what seems to be the basic moan on the whole matter from what i read that is. Well let me see. From RL and non RL this is going to happen. I cant go to England and demand the payed there social welfare because i am there and have not got a job. I have to wait 6 months before that may happens as this shows to them i intend to stay in the country. Technically this means i am becoming a member of there land. [b](note this is just an example)[/b] So applying that logic to in game there is no difference. It is though luck. you CHOOSE to be non allained to a land that is a choice [b]you[/b] made. Now so far i have not been asked by a non land member to sponsor there quest. I have a very open policy on the matter for those that are non members. So to me i don't think you have a valid argument in this. Unless you can prove the no king would back a quest. Now in saying that i do have an idea that might work but will talk with the kings first before i say anything here. There are many minor issues you all have with the use of the WP's kings have. Some can be validated for there use some may need explaining more but that is up to each king to decide if he.she should have to. As we are kings and there is only one person that can ask us to validate a choice we made in regard to the WP's.

Sorry jester i have to disagree with you on the WP beeing mur's. As a kingship persion we are told to make our rules and distribute as we see fit. Now i dont agree with just giving them out willy nilly. They must be earned in one way or another. Now looking at what is seen in the log i wil say this the first 5 lact any detail for the reason of giving the WP. mentoring is a good reason but it would have to be givin more detail that what is there in my opinion. I have given WP for non quest related thinks. But i beleve they were given for good reasons. I also make sure to add details for such. DST no offence but to me this last few toppics just seem like you are out to HUNT LR to death Now many dont agree with your methods and yes you have recived abuse from players. But 2 wrongs DONT make a right. This agin is just my opinion of what i have seen over the last many months. This all seem very persional between you and LR It is dissapointing to see such behaviour from you in this way. Sorry i am starting t get more annoyed and all this childish behaviour as of late. No wonder MD is loosing more and more players when this kind of Bull is going on.

Well that depends on the log you refer to DST I know i have keept track of all code i have givin out for all quests and for what they were for. now that is up to mur to ask for it and make public if he chooses but i dont think it will be intresting reading

[quote name='Shadowseeker' date='12 March 2010 - 04:35 PM' timestamp='1268411716' post='56273'] but imagine a quest, like MasterBs race. How many took part? 7? [/quote] That is the quest i refer to. Master did want t open it to all players. I said no not for this race as i wanted to reward a Golemus player with a Golemus creature this was why his race was a Golemus race only and i already new this would limit the number of players For that particular quest i feel just in how it was handled. The quest WP's that were rewarded was just additional to the main pries. Now yes you are entitled to state how you feel I am not one to stop people for saying what is on their mind but i would like to see it be more constructive rather than just blame. If i picked it up wrong then sorry but that is how this topic came across. I know from my point i have always welcomed people to make quests even those out side the realm of Golemus I even used my own personal WP's to make sure i didn't over step the boundary of what is understood by the kingship as the base rules. I will say this though i do apologize if you felt attacked by me in this topic personally it was a reaction and i normally wait to respond for a later time but i was angered by what i had seen and just make a response. I am as always open to any one with ideas and suggestions as this is how to move forward and to make the realm more responsive as a community.

I also wanted to point out the WP are from the lands treasury so to be giving them to non land people is well like telling the USA to give Ireland its funding. As Mur has said. There are independent people that do good quests and i for one agree they do deserve WP's at time and i have been one to sponsor this and have done so in the past

OK this is starting to annoy me. Sorry Shadow but are you trying to stur the pot? So you have made an accusation that WP's from kings are not given fairly the ALL kings have done this in quest creation. Hmm please give example so we can pick at them. Kamisha not once have you spoke with me in regards to WP's so your statement is only that a statement with out fact! For you to presume what you have of ALL kingship people is just crazy since you never checked or asked ALL kingship people. Now a bit of FACT Mur spoke with all the kingship people and what they were and were not allowed to do. the following is part of what was said as i will not post the full details. [i]Use these codes to reward capable quest creators, activate part of them for yourself so that you can give wishpoints to those that deserve. [b]ONLY [/b]use these rewards for people of [b]your land, never for an outsider[/b]. If a player belonging to an other land realy deserves such a reward but his king or queen ignores him, let it be so, [b]its not your business what happens in other lands. [/b] [u]You should create your own rules on how you give those out[/u], get people [b]FROM YOUR LAND ONLY[/b] to investigate other people quests and reward them codes, or do it yourself. The codes should remain within the land so to speak.[/i] Now i may get into trouble for putting that info in here but it just ticks me off when people assume things and have not even bothered to ask. Shadow you NEVER came to me to ask about WP Codes or anything relating to them. If you had done so you would know the details above. The worst thing is someone make a stupid statement and does not back it up. As you can see it is up to each kingship person to decide there rules and how the code were to be used we have even broken the rules we were given to try and get a better interest in making and doing quests. I will also admit i sponsored 1 quest that was for Golemus only and it was not the WP's that made me do this it was the other pries i was giving out. The i made the quest be Golemus ONLY. As a king i am entitled to do this as is ANY other quest creator. What is it you hope to achieve here? You want to try and make the kingship look bad? sorry but i am getting more annoyed as i go on so i will stop here

I did not say AL didnt have history. It does have history and a lot of it. I didnt just say history of OLD lore for no reason. The land weapons the LAND they them self have history we dont know of OLD history we were told is not allowed to be used anymore. Now i have plenty of history of my own. The AL has a lot of history but mainly focused around Golemus and Necro. very little on the other lands. I am not saying it has none but very little. Players have got history and yes lots of it. I was saying that a lot of new people look for information and cant find it or dont know were to look. As jester has pointed out there are very few the RP and yes it is understood he does not like to RP but we can forgive him for that I have created my own history from since the AL started as many would have noticed IF they read my papers. What i am saying is other history would be good. Now history was not my only point in this topic and you are entitled to your opinion and as i said i welcome it.

[quote name='Chewett' date='10 March 2010 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1268239639' post='56172'] Unless you completely ignored the AL from before you came, There is a LONG section about GG and the Wizard... Now i cant believe that you are saying there is little to do with the land there, From the one AL you can learn a lot. [/quote] Before i came????? Ehh i think you need to check your info. That AL was after i came to MD. There was NO AL when i arrived.

Well i get into work today to find messages complaining again about RP issues. I have to admit i was very angry to find out what had happened. So i decided i would wait a few hours and see what may be done IF anything. Since i gave myself the time to think and to work out a few things i have now decided to post a topic. First of all THIS is NOT an attack on any one person or group of people. I am going to do my best not to point the finger or point the blame. I will say first that it really annoys me when things like this happen. As MD is suppose to be a Multiplayer online role playing Game. Correct me if i am wrong in this but that means people with use RP methods withing the system. So i have decide i will list some topics here and try my best to keep on the topics i list 1. What is RP? 2. What tools are used for RP? 3. Who has the right? 4. How should this be resolved. Ok so the first point [b]1. What is RP?[/b] Well RP is done different in everyone's eyes. So we need to find the common ground for what RP is in MD and what its place is. So FROM MY POINT, RP is the gathering of people to act out what there character is and what they believe. This is an interactions of personalities and traits a player has developed for there character and how this character interacts with others. To me RP is the FUN PART of interacting and keeping to what you have set for your character. It is an investment of time from a player to a game system be it online or offline. This character becomes an extension of ones personality. So RP is how one would use that personality to interact with another personality and much can be learned from this. Now that is my point of View on what RP is. This is taken from Wiki (got to love wiki) Role-playing refers to the changing of one's behavior to assume a role, either unconsciously to fill a social role, or consciously to act out an adopted role. While the Oxford English Dictionary defines role-playing as "the changing of one's behavior to fulfill a social role", the term is used more loosely in three senses: * To refer to the playing of roles generally such as in a theater, or educational setting; * To refer to a wide range of games including computer role-playing games, play-by-mail games and more; * To refer specifically to role-playing games. So there is 2 different opinions on what Role-playing is. [b]2. What tools are used for RP?[/b] Well there are many way to RP. MD has multiple way of doing this through chat or PM. When i first started playing in MD there was no *Blue Text* it was just text and useing brackets to show an action was used. Now after a while the chat got overhauled and we now have several features. We have the (gray text used to speak out of character) we have *the Blue text used to show an action has been taken* both of the mentions features are extremely handy to use and help to keep people focused on what is happening in the chat. BUT... So people don't agree that this is a role-playing tool. I don't know why as it is an easy way to tell if someone meant something in game or not or when someone is doing an action. Yes there are other tools too like when someone uses a spell it is in yellow/orange and uses the text by that play for there spell. This also brings more Role-play to the chat as some players are creative with the text used and shows as different type of action. I am sure there are other features i have not mentioned but the ones above are the ones i use most often. So what is the point of having those features for RP if they are not RP. They were not there before and when they were put in place they were used very quickly and adapted to and now almost everyone know what is meant by the different text and how to use it to express them self's in a better way. I for one think of this as proper RP using those actions and OOC functions help a lot in role-playing. I am sure other will have different opinions on this matter but that to me is the basic underling functions of what the chat was made into so why waste such features. [b]3. Who has the right?[/b] Well in my mind only ONE pension has the right. That is the Games creator. Now it is up to that person to state who he give that right to and then there is no misunderstanding. In a system such a MD there are MANY diffrent locations that cannot be monitored by any ONE person. So yes other may be give the responsibility of doing this job. It is still a very difficult job to do but this job needs to be handeled with care and yes required one to be strick in a sense. The issue is that people are now too afraid to try doing proper RP, why? well because so far any attempt at it has be quashed and the people involved are ether moved or attacked and told off very publicly. We have been told we cannot use The OLD Lore. ok i have to agree to this in most of what had been done in the past. BUT what LORE can we use? We have our players history but that does not have anything to do with the lands and there history and stories. I have used very little of the OLD Lore and any part i have used has been the very obscure parts. Something has to be usable or it turns people away. So who has the RIGHT to say what RP is and is NOT. Well like is said the game creator. The people he has SAID have the right. But also the people have a right too. but to express it in the forums is fine. But to public berate someone in chat in front of any new players that to be is not acceptable in ANY way as this just creates a bad taste in ones mouth and turns potential new player away for good. [b]4. How should this be resolved.[/b] Well i believe there are many ways to resolve this. (1) create some proper history for the realm to use. It does not have to be great it does not have to be 100% true. No 1 story is 100% true there is always someone else side to a story and people have a tendency to embellish facts. This is what makes stories interesting. (2) Give some people facts about the realm and let them find the truth with friends by there side. (3) as Mentioned by me before create the PAL (Player AL) have this controlled by the archives. This allows them to do there job like they are suppose to be able to. The 3 point i have made there are easy to implement and would make the MD world rich with new players and old that can then develop there stories with more fun and have there RP mentioned withing the system. I still think the PAL would be great as this then allows RP to be vetted properly and would even bring some new stories to the Realm. This could also serve as a base for Mur to grab story ideas and possible put them in the MD AL Ok i have to stop or i will go off topic. I hope i have managed to keep to no finger pointing and that my point is made. I know many will have opinions and please do make them. I just want us to all STOP pointing the finger and just Get on with getting things going again and have fun like it was back in the old days. Yrth

Just an update for this. We are looking at all suggestions being made and what effects that will have on the game and the MD system. The CTC's may cause heavy load on the MD system. but well we are looking into the idea. I have also email Mur asking for his opinion on the CCG that request went out on the day of the release of the game. So far i have not heard anything back from him. With regards to what people see as spoilers. Some i know feel any info on stats for creatures is spoiler some agree there is not to much in spoiler info within the game. We are changing some of the creature cards to a different level as in the more rare creatures. At this moment we are just waiting on feedback from Mur when he gets a chance.

Chew stop trying to stur the pot I have already asked Mur for his opinion and will wait till he has come back to me so i am afraid you will just have to keep wondering

Yoshi The cards to show any of the real abilities of the creatures or what there target abilities are. Also the upgrade costs or requirement are not there the base stats are the Vital Energy, Power, Regen, Attack, Defense and initiative those are a basic stat across all creatures some don't have all of the skills so are marked at 0. In most creatures cases you can find there stats almost anywhere within the realm. but we don't show all the skills or abilities Hope this clears it up a bit Thanks Yrth

I agree with Cutler in the statement above. If i sounded a bit standoffish i apologize for the as this is something i help in building and well i get a little defensive when it gets slated a bit Of course as Cutler said all advice and suggestions are welcome as these do help us improve the system more and more. Thank you Burns for your feed back.

This games is just or fun for now. Yes we do hope to create a competition out of this there are lost more features we can put in place for the MD CCG. The reason for the release now is to find out how the public react to it. In regards to the easiness of the game keep playing the system will adapt to you In regards to any one thinking it is spoiler-ish i will point out the MP3/4 don't get to see all of the cards It is only at MP5 that you get to see them all. We used only the base stats of the creature and nothing of their abilities and what they target. just the 5 base stats. I believe this is not spoiling what the creatures are or what they do. Hope you all enjoy the game also any feed back is always welcome. Thanks Yrth

Well here i come to jump on the band waggon Ok we can all moan and complain and what not. I know i complain a lot when i am off line to thoes i have a close bond with. As of late even i have been finding it hard to keep motivated. There is much i want to say here but if i know me i will rant on about something and forget why i was going to say on the many diffrent topics that are within this topic. So what are the main issues. (note this is from my own opinion) 1. Lack of AL or AL related events. 2. Lack of basic history (note i said basic not old history) 3. Beeing unable to find people with information on things within the realm (i refer to facts not assumptions) 4. RP were has it gone? (yes there are people that still RP and not stat Grind but no one knows were or who it is most of the time) 5. Alainces dying out? Now i do have suggestions to the mentiond issues above. BUT it is up to both us as the comunity and Mur to implment this. 1. The Al is one of the main back bones to MD and the prople within it. But we all know that things happen and the AL goes on hold. This is the first time i have seen it on hold for this long. Now i dont know how it is going to be recativated as some of the people within the AL have left but again that is something Mur and thoes involved wqill need to work out. My suggestion here is and this tie's in with the archives i suppose as it is suppose to be there JOB to do this. Why not creat a PAL to work along side the AL. PAL = Public AL or Player AL. This IF the archive allaince works well can create the RP content and bring back some of RP and excitment MD once had. If Mur was willing to allow or create such as the PAL that is. (i am not a programmer but i would think thismight be easy enough to implement) 2. Basic history. Again this is down to allaince/historains/comunity, wqorking together on this. We have our papers and what not. But people also like to see history from other people point of view. Sorry but this again fall to the archives. I know some players started doing this based on old players that made a big impact in MD. But they are gone. we need current history based on players withing the realm that are still about. This can be resolved used quest to get people to write about a subject matter or about players withing the realm. This will in its self start to create the history and to have the archives logg this up within the archives. I know i tried to get this done before and yes i know it is hard to get players to part take but it would be good to see this beeing done properly. This with the PAL suggestion i think could fill MD will history and show how players have influenced the realm. this is also another way for Mur to see what RP is beeing done rather than hopeing he see you RP'ing by chance 3. Back in the old days (feels weird to say that) I had 4 or 5 people i could get information from. They helped memore than i could have imagened The passed me some very basic information. That info allowed me to expand on what i wanted to be and what i have become withing the realm. But now it is very hard to find people with the facts or clear information. This can only really be sold with trust been given again. Yes i know Mur got burned in this area before. I cannot say howto really solve this other than to try trusting so people. Start off with basic info that cannot damage the great plan. Have a point were someone can say for sure that something is true or false and that it is not based on a theroy of there own. this is harder resolved i know. 4. Yes i know i mentioned this in the other topics above. But unless we have something blike the PAL suggestion we just dont kno0w what is happining. We may hear or find out of such things when it is too late. That is like missing an epesode of one favourate TV program that explaines something vital. Well like the PAL suggestion and the archives this could be used together and if others are willing the can get involved in the event. This i think would work to bring in more fun and excitment and a feel of beeing involved and the taking part. This i beleve is vital to the world of MD. 5. Well I know i was not the best at keeping the allaince when i was in it. I admit to that. So i cannot really say how this is resolved. But i do have an opinion I think again with the above mantions suggestions this could revive the allainces. Hell this might even get the allaince to be more active. As having events that the allaince in all of MD mentiond in the PAL would help to create interaction between players/comunity/allainces of other lands. This is something i can see helping to make the whole of MD more. So as you can see i went on a bit about the whole thing. But i beleve doing something like what was suggested above would go a long way to helping MD Mur as most of what is above does not require Mur to be hands on. Appart from the implementing the PAL suggestion. But i beleve that would take little to implement. I could be wrong as i am not a programmer. So i have had my say and i fully expect my forum stalker to put a neg mark on this post. But i have come to embrace the neg marks. I hope i have made some good suggestion and that i was clear in what i said as i know i can rant and not be clear in what i say. Have fun all Yrth

People spend more time in GGG or stat farming because of the issues with item hording in general. amongst other issues. RP is not being done because no one feels they get rewarded for doing such. Have you not notice how much less activity there is this i feel is because of item hording and RP being ignored. Gaining items to be able to create items should be easy enough but it is not whit this current system. I for one would love to get some items created. BUT i am not willing to pay 30/40 silver per item and a WP to get it made. Getting the silver alone is hard enough. So this in essence would make getting an item created cost you 90/120 silver BEFORE one get a WP to use. This is ridiculous and thoes that are hording have no REAL reason to do so. This excuse of it is my characters role to collect items is Bull. you choose that to be so to make excuses for hording items nd ripping people off. Unfortunatly the only real way to resolve this is have the items made so common that it no longer matter but then that in its self runes the whole RP side of things. RP need to have some way of being rewarded as it does not get put into the AL, or is only known by very few. What is the point in RP'ing if it become a complete waste of time? Sorry i am on a rant so i will stop now.

I voted no. The list does in a way serve what it is intended for. The issue with removing that list is it makes it harder to find items yes i know there are other ways too. But hiding the list just help people horde the items more. But the issue is not with the list or the displaying of it. It is the fact the items are being horded or being sold and completely stupid and unreasonable pricing. This in its self does not encourage trading as who really wants to spend 30/40 silver for an item to get a mundane item created for it. I know this argument has been had many times on the forum. But i still stand by the keeping of the item list. It is the people with the items that is the issue and not the list.

Ok so has everyone voted? I will finish this topic on Sunday and will then start making the priority quests

Nah i dont think it is a spoiler. it is an observation of an even and passed to others Well what might be happining i have had many an idea about the temple and what is futher within. Last time when the doors open i seen Mur looking for his keys so this is what could be a new area opening or a new expermint a puzzel we all i am sure will have fun trying to figure out

Well it is almost all sorted after many trials and tribulations in sorting the whole affair out. As many of you already know I am getting married this year and so it has been decided as part of the traditional stag, that Romania is to be invaded by us Irish. (Unfortunately there are only 2 of us. The others were either too drunk or too lazy to get organised ) Now we are a small group but I am sure we will consume just as much as you all can. Or at least we will do a bloody good job of it. The dates of our arrival will be June 4th. This will be a late arrival so our first night of our invasion will be slow as that will be a very long day for us. Firs and I will be coming over to visit Akasha and Mur. So for those of you that are willing or just up for some craic if would be great to finally see some faces. I don't know what we are going to be doing but I am sure we will work it out. There will of course be the consumption of lots of alcohol, we could not come over and not have the Irish try out the local ale. So I figure we can work out some of the plans between now and then and see what wonders Romania has to show us. I look forward to the visit and to meet the people of MD that I have gotten to know well. So here’s to the 4th of June. I look forward to the fun and the discussions that are sure to ensue. Yrth