Ivorak

Look Darigan. It's your fault you got raped. I so told you that mini skirt you were wearing was much too high. I mean I could see your knickers for crying out loud. Hell, I am surprised you didn't get gang raped. You so deserved it so you did.

What? blaming the victim is ok, but somehow it suddenly isn't when we use the R word? Can't have it both ways folks! You can't find one distasteful and not the other.
(I can't edit the previous post)

Why on earth did this topic turn into another anti-Eon rant? Don't you people have anything better to do?

Spells have no restrictions. Someone can do whatever he/she wants with them. Period.
Yes, you can come with ideas about how to restrict spells and you can discuss them if you really wish (that's why we have the forum, don't we?) but don't start whining and ranting again. Simply because it's a waste of time and it generates only anger.

I don't think that your point about attitude in MD is wrong, I point that you are a hypocrite for not recognizing your own mistakes in the first place.

Regarding you being a hypocrite, I am referring to the bullying part - we had tension between us (while I was in Loreroot) for a year, no? For that period, did you try one time to resolve the issue as a sovereign of the land? Not that I recall.
So as soon as you got to Romania, you orchestrated fancy abilities and burned the Savelites to the ground.

But let us forget about me, let's remind ourselves about Woodcutter incident, and countless other details that occasionally pop that trigger your bully-attitude.
Don't you dare to turn this at me like it is some kind of my personal issue - I don't give a flying duck about your existence, but I won't hide from replying to your posts that I deem wrong.

So, basically I have to say this because if I don’t I will simply end up exploding in a very undignified manner and letting myself down. Laugh if you want to, I am past caring and in an odd way you will just endorse what I am saying in my view.

MD encourages and fosters harassment, victimisation and bullying. MD is a game for bullies and blow-hards. It seems that MD has rules about using bad language and we have the word Nazis on patrol because we use a word like ‘crap’ or we have the sex patrol, out to make sure that we all remain chaste. Yes folks we need all these things because MD is a place where kids might hang out and they may be exposed to something that poor little children should remain protected from. But, bullying? Nah every kid needs a healthy dose of bullying don’t they? (And by the way, age is no excuse either, whether 9 or 99, nobody should be subjected to it and using the excuse that someone should be old enough to handle it is also just ignorant)

For a long time now I have seen people in MD chased around the place. Spied on, called names or just being attacked over and over again. And what do people in MD do? Well, some people point out that no rules are being broken. That the person has said ability, so no matter how they choose to use it, it’s all good. When people actually dare to complain what happens? They get told they are talking rubbish, to grow up, to deal with it, to get their own back, that they are being babies, or even that you think it is hilarious or better still, there is no problem and that you would do exactly the same. And some of you endorse it by the virtue of saying nothing.

I’ve seen people let themselves down in their reactions to things. Their arguments might reduce down to babbling and bad language and little else. However, I feel that there is an element in MD that just delight in that. It’s easy to laugh at the poor tortured soul having a meltdown. Bless them, they are clearly off their rocker. It seems that many people content themselves with the view that the person was just unstable or weak or immature to begin with. Let’s not waste time considering that perhaps there actually was a valid reason for them to complain in the first place. Or heaven’s forbid that perhaps we have a moral obligation to recognise that not everyone is as hardskinned or hardnosed as you may be? No, what we need to do is keep pushing and pushing someone that is clearly unhappy or distressed about something until they reach the point that they snap. And you know what, we can all have a jolly good laugh about it and then just sit back and wait for the next person to snap. Fun times indeed.

Yeah, I have decided that I will just be a dick to someone today/this week/this year/forever and you know what? It’s totally fine. As long as I don’t break any rules, I can do whatever the hell I like. I mean, I can be a dick in real life, but chances are I would have to deal with my boss, my friends, family at some point or just get a plain old box in the face from someone. But, I don’t need to worry about that in MD. As long as I don’t actually break a rule I can be as big a jerk moron wallyface as I please. Yay for me! Go team jerk moron wallyface. Oh, you don’t like being called a jerk moron wallyface? Tough nuts jerk moron wallyface, I am not calling you a curse word, so neah neah neah. Ohh and by the way, you have a face like an elephant’s backside and your mother fed you with a slingshot you is so ugly.

The other one I love is when a person acts like a jerk, but it’s ok, coz guess what? They are just like that. Yup, if you happen to be a total jerk it’s ok to act like one. But if you aint a jerk and you do something that someone thinks is a bit jerky, then yeah, you need to be told off for that one.
Do you think that I am over-reacting? Maybe I am, I think not though. Come on Firs, harassment, victimisation, bullying? Awfully strong words there pal. I really don’t think that is true at all.

Would it make it easier on you if I called it ‘socially undesirable behaviour’? I mean, cybersex is so obviously socially undesirable behaviour, but hounding people, calling them names, spreading lies about them, slagging them off as foolish or weak, well that is totally different right? I mean that is obviously acceptable behaviour. Chasing someone around and attacking them over and over again, for hours at a time even though they have asked you not to do so, that is ok too. I mean, it’s obvious that you are upsetting them, but hey, you aint breaking any rules right? And yeah, of course people are going to point that out and say it’s hilarious and they are such a stupid weak idiot, they like totally deserve it. Yeah, you go girl/guy!

Shame on you people. Shame on you.

[size=4]My name is Passant the weak. I'm also known as the “Glass Expert”. I was given that title after being chosen to hold the very first tool in the realm that would produce Raw Glass. In this article, I will try to tell you more about Glass, and the way it is manufactured.[/size]

[size=4]Feel free to comment/correct what you read, if necessary. I am also open to any question you may have. Consider this article as my introduction as a new member of the Legend Speakers. My role will be to post articles about mechanisms, people, facts I consider of interest at the time I write about them... or that I will be requested to enquiry about. And yes, you, all, can request me to investigate on a particular subject. I will do my best, and if the result is of any interest, it will be posted here.[/size]

[size=4]That article was originally for a new edition of MDNP... which was dead born, so here it is![/size]

[size=4]Thanks![/size]

[size=4]~The Weak, a passer by[/size]

[size=4]==================================================[/size]

[size=4][log=What is Glass?] Glass is a material that comes from the melting of Sand. It is a hard substance, usually transparent. It can be used for various purpose, like making windows, bottles, jewels, etc. Technically speaking, in Magic Duel, Raw Glass is a resource: it means it can be used to create other items, with the appropriate tools (dedicated tools, cauldron, the future will tell!). So far, it was mentioned that Raw Glass would be used to manufacture bottles, but we can expect other uses as new items based on glass will be created in the realm.[/size]

[size=4]The Raw Glass in magic Duel is a dark blueish color. As it comes directly from the melting process, it is covered with dust. It is presented in chunks, ready to be transformed into delicate items.[/log][/size]

[size=4][log=Making glass: the ingredients and tools] From a technical point of view, transforming sand into glass is not very complex: you heat sand until it melts and you get glass that you let solidify in some plates. But what does that mean in Magic Duel?[/size]
[size=4]To manufacture glass, you will need 3 mandatory items:[/size]
[size=4]- the basic material: sand[/size]
[size=4]- some heat to … heat up the sand until it melts[/size]
[size=4]- a tool that will allow that heat to concentrate onto the sand and will process the glass plate into chunks of raw glass[/size]

[size=4]Fairly simple isn't it? But how and where to get all those things? And do they really exist in the realm? Guess it... yes they do. Although they are not that easily visible if you don't know where and how to search.[/size]
[size=4][/log][/size]

[size=4][log=Sand]Sand is a resource that can be found in the realm. It is different from the usual resources (water, herbs, branches...) that you can gather with the appropriate tool. The sand needed to start the alchemy that will produce Raw Glass is not the usual sand found on the beaches of Golemus Golemicarum. The sand of the island is perfect for offering a nice and comfortable area for the sun addicts that enjoy getting tanned. However it is not complex enough to allow manufacturing top quality glass.[/size]

[size=4]The sand we need must be complex, including secret tiny particles of unknown metals. And to get such sand, the only way discovered so far is is to collect sand as soon as it is produced by the physical mechanics of the realm. Yes, that complex sand exists: when people collect memory stones from Magic Duel soil, the friction of the gathering tool with the stone leaves a thin, pure dust. If you have a closer look at it, you see it's sand. A top quality sand that has not been altered by external contamination. That sand is said to contain cobalt (providing the blue color) ans also manganese (to prevent the usual green color of glass), along with other secret materials. It has still to be demonstrated though... but the result is here: this sand is the perfect ingredient to start the melting process.[/size]
[size=4][/log][/size]

[size=4][log=Sand melter] A tool we need now. That tool exists and has a name: it is called Sand melter. It is a heavy device. It has a main chamber whose aim is to collect heat, concentrate it, thus allowing the temperature to reach very high level: 1200°c is what is required, thus the structure of the tool is reinforced to resist such unusual environmental conditions.[/size]

[size=4]The main chamber has a thin hole at his top that allows for the connection of a heat storage device. Once locked onto the main chamber, the heat from the storage device is automatically charged into the chamber. Then the storage device can be disconnected, and the hole automatically locks (using a valve) and keeps the heat for as long as it will be needed. Due to safety concerns (risk of explosion), a security locks the hole if the Heat storing device is not fully loaded: you can use Heat Jars of any size but they have to be fully loaded. You can also use Heat stones.[/size]

[size=4]The main chamber presents another hole, covered by a funnel: this is where you have to place the sand when the Sand Melter is fully loaded with heat. Again, a valve prevents from any leak.[/size]

[size=4]Finally, a large metallic plate is present at the bottom of the melter: 4 chunks of Raw Glass are pulled out of the melter and lie on that plate at the very end of the process.[/size]
[size=4][/log][/size]

[size=4][log=Making glass: step by step]First of all, you have to load the Sand Melter with Heat: load heat in the Melter, using Heat stones or fully loaded Heat Jars. You need to load 20k heat, for the melter to be activated and ready for use. You can load it in several steps with amounts of heat lower than 20K: the melter is hermetic and will store the heat. When you have loaded 20K or more, the melter is ready and you can move forward.[/size]

[size=4]Now, just insert Sand in the funnel. Press the button and start the process: you almost instantaneously get 4 chunks of Raw Glass. You can use 1 unit of sand or more. But whatever quantity you use, you will only get 4 pieces of raw glass: the extra sand is just wasted in the process, as the melter will filter the sand and use what it needs, leaving the extra part mix into the dust resulting from the process. So yes, to avoid wasting that wonderful sand, it's better to use 1 unit only.[/size]
[size=4][/log][/size]

[size=4][log=Raw Glass... and now what?]As stated at the beginning, Raw Glass is a resource. Not an ordinary resource, as it cannot be gathered but requires manufacturing process. But still a resource: you will use glass as an ingredient for further manufacturing.[/size]

[size=4]The use will be limited only by your imagination. Some ideas have already emerged, from basic tools manufacturing to large industrial projects. Let me cite a few potential uses for Raw glass:[/size]
[size=4]- manufacturing bottles: this is needed for all bar tenders and alcoholics of the realm to get perpetual containers for their drug. Bottles might also be needed for storing perfumes, poisons, essences...[/size]
[size=4]- creating jewels: a pendant made of glass can be a wonderful gift to the lady one loves. Glass can be worked out delicately to provide shiny and complex ornaments[/size]
[size=4]- creating windows. Those architects around might build their house one day. Or a greenhouse for the gardeners of the realm. Raw glass will come in handy for that purpose.[/size]
[size=4]- Decorating an armor or a weapon: yes, why only decorate the ladies neck? An armor or a weapon will be personalized using a jewel made of glass.[/size]

[size=4]Those are existing ideas, but again, use your imagination and tell us... How will you use glass yourself?[/size]
[size=4][/log][/size]

[size=4]PS. I apologize for any gramatical or other error with English language, don't sue me![/size]
[size=4]PPS. I accept any suggestion in regards to formatting that kind of article in the future. Be constructive please![/size]
[size=4]PPPS. Many thanks to Fyrd Argentus, leader of the Legend Speakers for a few corrections (yes, he saved your eyes from seeing the worst...) and advices.[/size]

This is just an idea i had recently and thought i should post it to see what people think if it.

MDP is deserted for MP5, there are barely a hand full of people who train there.
Every sort of training season outside MDP is canceled the moment Eon finds the location so no considerable improvement can be done.
People spend more time in sanctuary, getting weaker day by day and been forced trying to find something else to do since training is as good as impossible.
So this is the my idea related to the current no training situation we face.

Every land will have one location that will require a high amount of AP to enter and exit, something like the 400 AP required to enter GG.
That location will be obviously be very hard for citizens of other lands to enter, but on the other hand it will be accessible to citizens of their homeland thanks to the land loyalty bonus.
That place can become a training ground where citizens of their homeland gather to train themselves.

The idea is that new player in early stages like MP4 chose already the Land they want to become a citizen of, so that when they advance to MP5 they will have enough land loyalty to enter a place where they can get stronger and avoid becoming moving targets for stronger MP5 like Eon.
Even if they don't have enough AP and land loyalty, they could also want to join an alliance and jump to leader location.

These location will be mostly citizens only thanks to the high ap requirement to enter but also for exiting that location.
A citizen of a different homeland will have to carefully consider if it is really worth it to enter that location cause even if by some means they manage to increase their AP and enter, they will also have trouble leaving.

When a citizen of another land enters the location with the intention of grinding the people there, they could all fight back against the intruder by using the new implemented needle for example, or they could also just for fun log out or leave that place (like in the fairy tales where when someone who was not supposed to enter their realm, the fairies all run away leaving the outsider dumbfounded).

This can be very well used against the recent complains on Eon`s statdmg ability.
Currently Eon is not part of any alliance, is a citizen of Necrovion with 100 land loyalty and is a heavy grinder.
Lets consider the situation where Eon somehow manages to get the AP needed to enter a location, what to do?
The people there could try using the needle against Eon but from my point of view that would be not the optimal solution.
This is where my second solution comes in play, the run away strategy.
In a situation where no matter what you do, the end result is the same, running away and sealing his movements would be the best course of action.
Everybody there exits the location or loge`s out(preferably alliance leader so people can jump back) and the ones who left the location could just as well go to MDP that is now Eon free.
All while Eon has close to 0 AP so he cant exit cause of the high AP requirement, is not in a alliance so he cant jump to leader location, and if he really insists he would have to sacrifice something(a spell cast, a cup of tea, etc).
At any rate it would be his lose no matter how you look at it.
After he left, the people can gather there again and continue training while Eon just lost AP, grinding time, and possibly even more with little gain.

Well at least this is how i imagine it would work, feel free to criticize.

It is my opinion, that the Forum is a place where Mur should announce well in advance where he intends to be and all other pertinent information. It is a fact that not everyone views the Announcements because of the volume and changes it goes through daily.

I would also like to suggest, that Kings, Queens, Leaders, and MP6's then take this information and re-post it in their private forums as well as private Alliance Page. A simple copy n paste will do it. That way, no one has room to say that they didn't get the information. Do not Kings and Queens announce to their subjects declarations, intentions of War, and other things? The same goes for Leaders of Alliances and I would think Mp6 teach their adepts other things besides how to fight and to send Heat. Work together as a collective, not individualism, and this should rectify the MurGate issues. (Sorry Mur, but it sounded funny in my Head)

If you really want to suggest a solution, suggest a solution, otherwise this topic won't amount to much. All you've suggested is something in return; what do you want to give him? Will he accept it? Will the Council or Mur allow it?

In regards to this bit:
[quote name='Darigan' timestamp='1318816560' post='94222']
People like to be able to sit in a scene and shouldn't have to worry about their stats being diminished.
[/quote]
Other than sanctuaries, I'm sure there are many places Eon won't bother you; MDA, for example, is full of viscosity, but if you're going to be sitting in one place talking with other people, your AP will fix itself over time. Five steps or so into the Tribunal, you can also find 5 different places where almost nobody goes normally. Not to mention, of course, I'm sure people would also like to have a million defense stat, but that's not how the game is.

MD changes, you need to change with it, sometimes.

Also:
[url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10776-energetic-immunity-and-stat-damage/"]http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10776-energetic-immunity-and-stat-damage/[/url]
[url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10612-skill-increase-for-defending/"]http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10612-skill-increase-for-defending/[/url]
[url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10455-sanctuary-versatile-powers/"]http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10455-sanctuary-versatile-powers/[/url]
Just FYI.

As far as my understanding goes in the years I've been playing, sharing (and even trading) of information (including secrets and classifieds) were never disallowed. Posting them in publicly accessible places are not allowed, but when it goes to personal level exchange of information, people are always allowed to use whatever resources (be it other valuable information, social connections, and things of trade value) they have at their disposal to gain access to information.

CMIIW

Why the hell are you assuming war????
where the hell did you even get that idea?????

I dont care as to whom did what.
So i make an assumption. you are a forum mod whom can check that
I am not so it does not matter if i am right or wrong.

It is stupid to even mention the war BULL(finish the rest yourself). when there was no mention of it in the first place.
this is just being childish and then to even go and neg rep more just because you make an assumption or
decide because i made on to neg rep me for it. Get over it.

change the word C**P because chewy took offence to it for some stupid reason.
and decided to tell me to remove it or he will do it for me.
This is so unfitting of a forum mod esp one such as him.

I dont see why that word is so offensive in anyway but he has decided it is

this has been reported before, please use the search button.

i meant what i meant, no need for clarification. Sexual harassment in MD is only allowed if the person allows it. NO different then slanderous/foul language. This is a game, away from people, all it is is text. If you don't like it, leave the scene. If you are sent pms, turn them in. For any of this to get to such explosive drama levels, she was a participant, not a victem. Sorry if this makes me look cruel or uncaring. Any that deal with me would know better. This is the truth, you are only as far in as you are willing to let yourself be. Thats why there is a plug. Goodbye to those that do, time moves forward.

[quote name='Pothos' timestamp='1318520803' post='94031']
As for her 'sexualy harased being punished'. Get used to it. That's the way life works, You fought back, so you are getting punished. Truly it sucks, yes it's unfair, no that isn't how it should be, yes it's unjust. But that's how it is.
[/quote]
And what does it say of us if we accept that logic? That's just how MD is? Even though the restrictions [u]explicitly[/u] forbid harassment of any kind, we'll just turn a blind eye to it because nothing matters?

Jester has been accused of this kind of behavior before. That he is able to continue acting like this casts grave doubts in my mind about the action and inaction of persons in positions of authority in MD.

To stay in this community when such things are possible and go ignored or only lightly punished is to condone this kind of behavior. Remember Shoeps, anyone? To dismiss the legitimate grievance of a victimized person is to become an accessory to the crime(s) committed against him/her.* And to willfully ignore evidence of harassment because it falls beyond the scope of MD is legally sensible but [u]morally hollow[/u] - I call it irresponsible. My outrage at this verdict from the council goes far beyond Grido. The council's published opinion reveals a system-wide defect in the MD community and its leadership.

It's too early for me to say I am taking my toys and leaving - or not - but I can't just sit by and remain silent at injustice of such monstrous proportions.

*Jester's assertion that Poe is a man pretending to be a woman in no way exonerates his words or actions. The sex of the victim is totally irrelevant.

Ok so i have taken a look and some tools are marked as other land not just Necrovian.

So i have had to take a look and think about how this would work or how to view the tools
Just because a tool has the "TAG" Loreroot or necrovian does not mean that tool Belongs to that land
It just shows where the tool may have been created.

The tools that are in the Golemus Lab belong to Golemus. That is their location of storage and that is where they
are marked to go to. So taking that into account the tools are Golemus property regardless of the tag that is on them.
So they come under Golemus jurisdiction and fall under the Golemus tool policy.

So in this case to answer you peace. No the tools will not be given out to Necrovians for free. The tool currently is located
in Golemus lab and land and will fall under the Policy outlined above.

What about lands with 1/1 with no kingship, for example NML? Would those area be harvest able as well. Also, where would the treasury be? Resources stack and it is impossible (for now) to seperate resources to give 1 out of every 5th harvest when there is no known location to deposit it at. Or maybe I did not pay attention to where the treasury is at.

Whilst I agree this has gone a bit odd and it is a semantic issue - neither party is a native english speaker and the word donation is incorrectly used if the request is in fact being enforced as a fee, im not saying nobody does it. In terms of large corporations, if you use incorrect wording that makes people think one thing when it is in fact another then the consumer can haul you in front of the ombudsman and have you fined. In most of the larger corporations you get a fine just for it reaching the ombudsman in the first place and then fined again whatever they decide to fine you, and of course you are told to change the wording. Yes small companies can mess you around with tricksy wording, that doesnt make it right, and it doesn't mean they won't get a legal battle on thier hands at some point.

Z

Phantom, I would like to suggest that you carry this forward with the Council, and ONLY the Council. This is a matter for them to resolve, where the community will only become more and more bitter with each other.

I know you are frustrated that such a serious offense has gone unattended for so long, but you should also know that some matters should be dealt with discretely. I see that you tried at first, but bringing attention to this matter like this is not appropriate.

I think we should all make it a habit of not naming people when starting threads of such nature. It's really getting to the point where every single one of these threads cause a Witch Hunt. The public scream, push, and shove each other until someone gets punished. ( I know I've been a part of that crowd several times, but this is me trying to get things to change so please be patient)

[quote name='Yrthilian' timestamp='1318234563' post='93704']
I dont know why you waited that long and decided to use this as a fight agents Grido.
[/quote]

The point is that I -trusted- Grido to effectively handle matters, or point me in the right direction if it was not something he could not help me with. Given his position, I thought that's what would happen.

Yrth, your post is full of assumptions about the reasons for my actions, and as with most assumptions, they are predicated on your judgment, what you -think- my reasoning was. If you have questions I'm happy to answer them in a PM, please don't publicly make assumptions about me or tell me what I -should- have done in your opinion. If I want your opinion I will ask for it.

I thought you were better than that...

In the past couple week, I have heard more bitching, moaning, and fighting on the forums, that I would have had I spend the same amount of time among a group of emo's being tortured.

If you don't know what that means i'll explain, It means that all you nice little girls and boys are -worse- than a group of posers who act like they are going to kill themselves but never do.

So, to put this very simply.. This is October.. Starting December 1st, every time I see a pair fighting, complaining, accusing, harassing, and otherwise drawing things out, I will track them down, in game, to slap them.

Yea yea, Cr*ppy(edited because "it is considered a swear by some") punishment, but what the frick am I supposed to do? I'm just a player with less than a year under my belt.

The reason for my saying this is twofold.. this gives you the rest of this month, and one more, to get everything wraped up and neatly delt with. The second reason, is that -December is a special month-.

Yea, I'm talking christmass, i'm talking winter solstice, I'm talking huanika, robotica, and any other damned reason to celibrate that you can possibly think of, Hell, my birthday is even in there!

So.. all i'm saying.. is for one month.. Just one.. Stop your bickering, and be nice. Pipsticks should be shaking hands with grido, DST should run around huging everyone, Windy should have her sisterhood go out in force to smooch all and pass good cheer like it's a pluague. Passant and the other glass makers should hold a contest for a glass sculpture design, or just simply make one. The woodcutter should be everywhere with a pair of branches to arm every snowman. The water dousers should Poke a hole in the lake, and ice down Marind bell park for skating. Let MDA light a few fires so that Everyone can take shelter inside, talking like family and reading book. Let Windy Fill the air with the smell of Mulled wine, Hard and soft Cider, and munchies. Let Golemus put that magic and technology they are famed for to good use, to string lights anywhere they can to light up the night, and may Necrovion, being closed, spread holiday tales of what things could possibly Emerge from these hidden lands, to frighten or amuse the young and old alike!

If that's to much good cheer for you.. Well MDA has a basement you can go be antisocial in. Everyone else, be happy, of good cheer, do not fight! Because if you fight, I will come after you.. And slap you.. With a chainmail scarf.. Or whatever's handy.

-Pothos.

And I again, repeat. What you demand is by your own admission not a donation anymore, because it becomes mandatory.

I asked other people myself: A donation is voluntary.

You seem hellbent on the fact that i will try to cheat you out of your tool usage and then resell the glass. For..what? It isn't as if there is a market for glass aside from collecting them yet.

You are the one who misreads my words, then declaring my intention utterly different- if you misunderstood okay, I explained and you still refuse to see the point I was making there. If my usage of the anguage was too subtle for you to understand, I apologize. But where are the words of:

"This time I would not donate (if you do make glass- we were talking about that earlier.)"

The following parts were exactly as I summarized above.

The fact that you so easily get angry at me, refuse to listen to my arguments AND take drastic measure makes me wonder why I am currently even bothering to discuss this.

"Use so often?" I have, as far as I can recall, used your services exactly 3 times. The first time I did not realize I needed to provide heat, my bad. The second time I decided since you were so nice the 1st time I would donate an enchanted memory stone. The third time resulted in this mess. I simply found your repeated asking for a donation (note: I still consider this utterly voluntary and not something you keep pursuing, which makes it more like a forced fee), of which at least most of the process has been put onto this topic by now.

My conclusion is simply that you apparently easily distrust me, get angry easily and in the end refuse to read my arguments, turning it all into a rant against the richer and explain it all with your principles, ignoring any kind of opinion I have. So be it.

And before you forget it: A donation is voluntary. Not. Forced. That would be a fee.


Edit: I added the bigger part in case I omitted some background info lacked: I gave you heat+sand, said I would not donate- and you have the gall to demand it still.

[spoiler]

[09/10/11 10:48] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]Well, I would like to get some glass melted as well. I was going to donate heat.
[09/10/11 10:48] [b]Passant the weak:[/b] [color=#305681]*[i]smiles[/i]*[/color] I need 15K
[09/10/11 10:48] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]That I could provide.
[09/10/11 10:48] [b]:[/b][color=#1D6D94][i]Passant the weak passed Raw Glass to lone wolf[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 10:48] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]Actually..let me fill the 18k jar. easier.
[09/10/11 10:48] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]brb.
[09/10/11 10:49] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]LW, better wait 5 minutes before next batch
[09/10/11 10:50] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]I fear shado gives me sand that would mix with yours
[09/10/11 10:50] [b]Lone Wolf:[/b]rightie.
[09/10/11 10:52] [b]:[/b][color=#305681][i]Nimrodel huggles Shem[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 10:52] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]hello shem
[09/10/11 10:52] [b]:[/b][color=#305681][i]*Shemhazaj* huggles Nim back[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 10:53] [b]*Shemhazaj*:[/b]hi MoM
[09/10/11 10:53] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b] [color=#305681]*[i]pokes LW[/i]*[/color] so the caogulator business didn't go as well as you'd have hoped, eh ?
[09/10/11 10:53] [b]Nimrodel:[/b]momy!
[09/10/11 10:54] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]also looking for losses =) and coins !
[09/10/11 10:54] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]-.-
[09/10/11 10:56] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]Je me demande si quelqu'un aurait acheter la bouteille de liquide française de moi ...
[09/10/11 10:56] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]qui s'est avéré faux = S
[09/10/11 10:56] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]c'est sacrément -.-
[09/10/11 10:56] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]lalalala: P
[09/10/11 10:56] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]wow qui n'a pas changé
[09/10/11 10:56] [b]:[/b][color=#1D6D94][i]Master Of Magic passed Flask of Liquid French to shemhazaj[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]enjoyyy
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]:[/b][color=#305681][i]Passant the weak looks at the flask suspiciously[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]Someone drank the wrong potion..
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]Orr ssi you'dd ratherr Inn Frenchh: profiter
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]*Shemhazaj*:[/b]I don't want it!
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]genuine French?
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]Lone Wolf:[/b]Coagulator business?
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]*Shemhazaj*:[/b]I've been speaking italian a lot yesterday...
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]yess Passant
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]ittt passss Backk Okayy thenn
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]Where did passant go to?
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]= S
[09/10/11 10:57] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]I am here
[09/10/11 10:58] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]Passant, can you melt my sand now?
[09/10/11 10:58] [b]Lone Wolf:[/b]roundabout
[09/10/11 10:58] [b]*Shemhazaj*:[/b] ([color=#888888][i]brb, food[/i][/color])
[09/10/11 10:58] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]Yes I can
[09/10/11 10:58] [b]:[/b][color=#1D6D94][i]*Shadowseeker* passed Sand to Passant the weak[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 10:58] [b]:[/b][color=#1D6D94][i]*Shadowseeker* passed Heat storing Jar 18K to Passant the weak[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 10:58] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]The heat inside is the donation.
[09/10/11 10:59] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]Haha, that won't work SS
[09/10/11 10:59] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]Huh?
[09/10/11 10:59] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]The donation is in addition to heat
[09/10/11 10:59] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]This is crystal clear in our terms and conditions
[09/10/11 10:59] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]Shouls I process anyway?
[09/10/11 10:59] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]No hurry for the donation
[09/10/11 11:00] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]II thoughtt Thatt Sandd meltingg outils areee Inn GM ...
[09/10/11 11:00] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]* toolllls
[09/10/11 11:00] [b]Master Of Magic:[/b]* Golemus
[09/10/11 11:00] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]Hm..well, you do get double the glass I would get out of it..
[09/10/11 11:00] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]We have kept our independant superior tools MoM
[09/10/11 11:00] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]True SS
[09/10/11 11:01] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]Please let me know if I process before the heat leaks
[09/10/11 11:01] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]I'm not too happy that I'm asked to donate every time you melt for me- I'd prefer one time payments for a longer amount of time.
[09/10/11 11:02] [b]Lone Wolf:[/b]Why not do that then. >>
[09/10/11 11:02] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]We are open to bulk arrangements
[09/10/11 11:02] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]Well, I'd prefer to see 8 glass instead of 4- but this time, I wouldn't be donating then.
[09/10/11 11:03] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]I'd be supplying sand in return for your melting services.
[09/10/11 11:03] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]Sand is a donation. [color=#305681]*[i]smiles[/i]*[/color] It is accepytable
[09/10/11 11:04] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]Aye, but it wouldn't be one sand every time I ask you to melt.
[09/10/11 11:04] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]If I were to do that, I could melt it myself.
[09/10/11 11:04] [b]:[/b][color=#1D6D94][i]Passant the weak melted Sand and created Raw Glass[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 11:05] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]For long term or bulk agreement, I suggest we discuss on forum PM or ingame PM
[09/10/11 11:05] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]Forum PM..less bulky than here.
[09/10/11 11:05] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]Make an offer and we shall discuss it
[09/10/11 11:06] [b]:[/b][color=#1D6D94][i]Passant the weak passed Raw Glass to Shadowseeker[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 11:06] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]Please send ITC for your donated sand when you get it *smiles
[09/10/11 11:08] [b]:[/b][color=#1D6D94][i]Passant the weak passed Heat storing Jar 18K to shadowseeker[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 11:11] [b]Lone Wolf:[/b]So, are you ready Passant?
[09/10/11 11:12] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]yes LW
[09/10/11 11:12] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]I've sent the PM, passant.
[09/10/11 11:12] [b]*Shadowseeker*:[/b]I'd suggest a refresh to see it.
[09/10/11 11:13] [b]:[/b][color=#1D6D94][i]Lone Wolf passed Sand to Passant the weak[/i][/color]
[09/10/11 11:14] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]LW, want the jar?
[09/10/11 11:14] [b]Lone Wolf:[/b]Sure.
[09/10/11 11:14] [b]Passant the weak:[/b]SS, give me time to answer please
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Edit edit: All I wanted for you to do is to stop claiming it is a donation. Which I already did in my first post. When I give the reasons, etc, you turn it into a grudge. You ban me from your tool. You start a discussion with very insultive undertones.

Where am I in the wrong, after your treatment, to demand that you stop calling it a donation when it isn't?

Eh well I'm not that upset about these things, but there's a few things I've found annoying.

1. The mechanical sphere quest. Pretty much for a beginner this will be the first puzzle they find. All the hints people seem to give are about solving the puzzle, (use a pen and paper and the number 6) but the problem I had was that I couldn't activate the sphere to start with. You know how you have to find the "clue" to access the puzzle...? That's actually the harder thing to figure out in my opinion, the actual sphere was easy... consider for the begineer, who hasn't explored probably much there's a whole world to search for potential clues. And then the person goes to explore, perhaps out of out interest in exploring (as was the case for me) or maybe because they really want to find the clue.
So then they search all of Marind Bell, Lands of the East, MDA and still find nothing... I thought "do I have to go back and explore all these places again? or is there something else first like figuring out the Gazebo of Equilibrium..."

The only hint I needed was that the clue was a scroll... which someone told me, eventually (THANKYOU!)

2. CHAT COMMANDS, DEAR GOD CHAT COMMANDS. How do you emote? After looking through the help archives, submitting a live help request, asking in the beginner's cottage, and in Wind's Sanctuary, I still haven't been told or found out any information. I've tried all the obvious commands like /me /emote : and even typing my own name e.g. Mori jumps... just appears as Mori: Mori jumps. Yes please leave a message if you know. I still don't. EDIT: Huzzah! Someone helped me! I know now.
If your a noob how to emote is by *text* with the askerisks!

3. RPing... it's hard to "start a conversation", say in Marble Dale park there's lots of people talking or nobody is active. On the other hand the one time I've had a good opportunity, in the Lands of the East bar/coffee shop/whatsit with an ideal number of 4-5 people (the situation was one of them was telling about how she arrived in MD), I waited for her to finish but -since I didn't know how to emote- there was no way to indicate I'm activate without interupting mid-story. Then when the story was finished, the teller logged out (which is fair enough since presumably the player had stayed up late to tell the story) but the other people immediately left also...

4. Orientation. It's really easy to waste action points if you don't know which arrows face which way (sometimes the hottip telling which way the arrow goes doesnt appear).
An even worse example: I carried a torch into Golemius to explore and got rid of the torch once inside. While im exploring Golemius I click into the maze. Now I'd already gone into MDA lands and read the sign about the maze on the way so I know I -really really really dont want to get lost- but guess what, there's three possible options to click from the first (accidental step) inside the maze... and you have no way of knowing which way you are "facing". So yes, I did misclick given I had a 2/3 chance to do so, and almost got lost IN THE MAZE! Luckily I found my way back after another 2-3 moves by figuring out which way the pictures were oriented...


That said I'm having fun with MD and props to Mur and all the other people who've contributed.

Personally, my main annoyance at the way Grido handled this is that he used the triggers instead of the Mood Panel.

I don't like what happened, but aside from the use of the trigger box, as a player, disregarding his role, it is fully within his rights to have handled it the way he did.
However, useing the Trigger box to advertise this matter, when generaly not disclosing the terms of other punishments, seems very unfair to me.

That said, What Grido does is his, the councils, Mur, and the other parties matter, not mine.
I don't need to know the details of a punishment, because I trust him to handle it correctly. If he doesn't, then it will be on his head.

To use the example everyone else does, the dst matter. Why does his lack of disclosure not bother me on this matter, even a tiny bit?[list]
[*]This matter was HIGHLY publicized.
[*]The council/Mur involved themselves (as displayed by the announcements)
[*]Grido needed to act in a formal capacity, not as a friend
[*]While some people disagree, I personally feel dst is EASILY mature enough to understand the difference between what someone does as a personal choice, and what they do as an official choice. I am also very certain Grido feels the same, so he wouldn't be worried that what he did would be interpreted as a personal attack instead of a formal reprimand.
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Basically, because The Powers That Be where paying clear attention to the matter, if they are okay with what ever punishment Grido put on dst, I trust it was the right one.

Because I trust Mur.
I trust the council.
I trust Grido.
And I definitely trust dst.

Dear RJ,

As the leader of the Lair Keepers and the Guardian of the Lair i would like to inform you that the Lair is still closed for everybody. Being inside the Lair is an insult to the LK and to Golemus. No matter how you've entered it again it's still against the rules. i would like to remember you that that specific location has the following[b] Tags: [/b] dwelling, Sanctuary, No jump, No transfers, Item collecting so as a Lair Keeper it is my personal right to dwell or rest there .Even more changing the location name is an offense.
Insulting me for being there as part of my role only proves that you are not the SmartAss you think you are. You are only frustrated from loosing your role as a consequence to your own actions.
Please refrain from insults or any actions of this type or i will take it personaly
If you want to prove your self , act accordingly not as a lame player who doesn;t know how to loose. You only manage to make things worse for yourself.


This is the second time you offend me and Golemus.

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I've found that myself, and that unless you go into the "advanced Search" little gear-icon, the default search does not seem to like phrases of words at all.

An example, wanting to know the prices for Heat Stones, I type in "[i]Heat Stones[/i]" and press enter. [u]Zero results.[/u]

Searching for the word "[i]Heat[/i]" by itself brings up a longer list of forum threads. Luckily the one on Stones is near the top
http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10125-wts-heat-stones/page__hl__heat__fromsearch__1

I found it pretty non-intuitive that the default search, even using quotes, would not locate this link from the search term "heat stones" since the words searched for appears directly in the title and also inthe content itself.

So now I just add that extra click to fill out advanced search options, or limit my searching to single words.

By Mur.

I know who is in this org and who isn't. There is no need to question me.