Ivorak

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1286611436' post='69961']
Did you know if you write a check, then spend all the money in your bank you can use more money than you have? Your excuse is "that's how it was set up and why wouldn't someone want to make the most out of their money worth" Yet you will still go to jail for fraud. Do you have no morals/brains?



Are you stupid? You are complaining how something has been removed to aid you to play without paying, yet your suggested solution is to make everyone pay? You can still play without paying, its still very possible.
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chewett it seems you jump to conclusions just like someone else around here. that is whats wrong! i didn't ever try to cheat mur, i don't think a lot of people have tried to. if they have then he should look at how he sets things up not just come out and say i am being cheated so i am removing this! i have morals and i have apparently more brains then you as i think accusing anyone of anything is wrong without proof! (note: writing a check knowing you have no money in your account isn't the same, unless you are simpleminded/chewett. so try again with a better analogy next time)

as for your other thing about making the game pay, it is a very simple solution to murs problems of people trying to get free credits to buy things. if you remove the whole chance of them and make the game pay only then no one can ever cheat him. will there be a ton less players? sure. will you lose out on people trying it then maybe paying? you bet you will. but this is a very simple solution to this problem. this is based not only off the free credits link being removed but the current events in the game.

The idea of stunning creatures has occured to me, very much like freezing creatures but instead it also hurts them a little and after 3 rounds the hits will be combined and apply to the monster, dealing a serious critical hit if the monster survives that long.

Yrthilian your right about one thing not a lot of people are crying over it. but at same time if you look at the activity on these forums you will notice they fairly dead. who comes mostly to the forums? the higher older players who have everything from the shops in the first place.

this was presented as a matter of people scamming the system which i don't see. i voted everyday i could, except for when the links were all messed up due to lag they didn't work right and i don't know if my votes were counted. i can remember a time when mur made it so if you became a supporter you got an increase in in your amount of credits for that month alone, but then people would cancel and resubscribe. he called this cheating him? well, maybe it was but maybe it wasn't? point is that's how it was set up and why wouldn't someone want to make the most out of their money worth?

bottom line here is if mur thinks everyone is out to cheat him in one form or another just make the game pay to play. then those of us who don't have means to pay or can't pay will move on and no one will be "cheating him"!

Aye thanks for filling out my poll, or if not... fill it please!(it isnt imperative to my health though, and dont feel forced) And im not trying to sell any, at least not yet, im just wondering how much they would be worth in the general market.

@Amoran: did I stated ANYWHERE that the alliance was given RIGHT AWAY to jazira? I merely stated that it was given away but I had no idea by whom since both Firs and Marvolo were involved at one point. You say it was dormant? You may be right (I don't have proof of it to be otherwise) BUT there was someone who activated it!(that person is the one I am talking about).

As for this:

[quote]You were also wrong to even bring the issue of the Savelites up, that is not what this topic is about, nor is the issue of the Savelites a personal matter any longer. Marvolo has left and moved on, and Rhaegar has left.[/quote]

seems like Princ himself contradicts you

[quote]of course it has relations to the whole issue there was with Loreroot[/quote]

Id like to expand the calander, but i have little to no information on how to program, id like to write it about something i will not share because if I did then i would probably get the idea stolen :/

[quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' timestamp='1286465766' post='69838']
I still don't understand what you are saying here Rhaegar. By this: "[i]since you busted my motives to live in an equal-chanced society[/i]" are you suggesting we turn MD into a communist society? I mean what is it you are suggesting here?
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difference is clear (I knew someone would mention communism if I said equal, so I added "chanced"), not equal-class but equal-chanced society, in sense that one doesn't have advantages of Mur's privileges against another. This is generalizing, which I don't like to do, you can't apply one rule on everything, considering these are relative terms, and I responded to DST's usual hate mail, so I would like it better if we stay on something concrete.




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Everyone in MD DOES have an equal chance to achieve anything they want to if they work for it. These set authority powers you talk about didn't enter the game like that, they all worked hard and were rewarded for efforts they made, and more often than not have been supported by the community when they achieved reward - and as I said before, Kings were voted in they didnt just get handed the poition on a plate, everyone had the right to stand. Will people who do things that turn the game in a way the game maker doesn't want get rewarded - unlikely. Should that be a surprise? - no.
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how can you say that?! and how can you support a popularity contest?! it's ridiculous.

how would you call "candidate and vote" reward-based competition?
I'll just mention this, without pointing out names, but just look at the votes of kingships, its candidates, and check those lower-ranked, how much votes they received, and point finger in your forehead asking yourself: what da hell? (in sense that there were some ridiculous candidacies that gained should-not-be-overlooked number of votes) and reason of that is to see the pointlessness of having votes for something like that with simple "yes or no" answers.
it's serving on a plate to me at least.

the authority of a king is permanent and was forced into the game, and it is a feature that influences others in very great way.

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I'd also appreciate if when you talk about Tengri, you say Tengri, because T and Z are two totally independent characters - and there are already enough rumours and mess about me going around without adding to that (yes, Im looking at you guys, you know who you are). I get that you refer to me the player, but please, if you could.
Tengri is a different situation to kings or LHO, totally different. Seeing as I never mentionned who I was and you never knew T existed - it gave me no mental authority over anyone. It is also one of those situations where the game maker wanted to implement something and used a player based on his views of people in game and what they have done - so again not just handed on a plate to any old person without them having to have done things to be given such a position. Any authority anyone gives to me now, that they wouldnt have given to me before, is either sheer paranoia that I can do things I in fact can't, or it's because of things I may know - and anyone in game can be given that authority if they do their research etc.
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when I mentioned Tengri in that way, I mentioned accounts that have/had authority (I'm not sure on all the abilities Tengri had), that doesn't necessarily mean that they used their authority in a damaging way (there was a question to name the other authorities).
My apologizes for identifying Zleiphneir and Tengri as one and the same, but I don't know your name and Zleiphneir has two meanings, person and a player, and I referred Zleiphneir as a person there. I won't do it again.

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I mean, I have to agree with dst. It does seem like this is another attack of jealousy. Maybe I'm just not understanding, or maybe you arn't putting it across well enough. Either way, I still don't see how any of the points being made are valid.

Z
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another attack of jealousy? pfff believe her biased spitting-offs if you want about my motives, my facts stand, that there are authorities in a game, the difference is that number of you don't see them as damaging as I see.
Saying that implementing of authorities doesn't change a thing or something similar as that is simply ignorant. There are many perspectives on such things, and I'm just pointing one of them... it was meant to be a discussion on how the system works, how does it affect others and number of different opinions about the system.

everything has it's light and bad side, and all the time in MD I keep running on people that refuse to accept the fact that nothing can be perfectly done.

It's kind of a shock to me how you all just accept such drastic changes lightheartedly, I mean fixed authorities ain't that small thing, and yet you all talk about it like it's perfectly normal...



[b]I'll make a summarization in an hour or two, need to take care of some things at home, have little time to sit down properly[/b]

How about that first free wp comes a certain number of active days AFTER beoming MP5. We need an incentive for those with stunted "growth" to move up.

I've earned 3 and caused another 5 to be awarded. But I'm a firm believer that "Magic"Duel needs more magic! And MD needs more players moving to MP5. I wouldn't even whine (much) if only the newest mp5's got that first free wp.......

[quote name='Metal Bunny' timestamp='1285936122' post='69455']
Of course, I am only saying this because I am slightly more pessimistic towards wp inflation, especially when it's requirements are lowered enough that it doesn't really warrant an actual wp.
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Sorites' paradox again...

[quote name='adiomino' timestamp='1285980164' post='69486']
What use is a WP to a person that just logs in to gain active days anyways? (now if that "person" is an alt that is a different story..)
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what use is logging in just to get active days? Unless you plan to return to actively playing on that account or alt abuse. In both cases WPs are interesting.
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but a WP to active days just seems like a nice idea. not much thinking has to been done about it besides how often the WP would be given out-if at all :PP. sorry if my opinion is too lax about it.
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That's insulting. There's several things being discussed at the same time: yes/no, how many/frequent, what about alts, what about alt abuse, what are the consequences towards WP value, the pr impact on new players... Next time, read the entire topic.

[quote name='Harion' timestamp='1285988266' post='69490']
it should be retroactive, otherwise, it'd be unfair to those who has stayed with MD the longest
so because they had the unfortunate fate of getting into MD before this is implemented, they won't have this reward
which, for all intents and purposes, is meant to reward loyalty?

if that's the case, then that will just encourage more alts...
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I'll try to understand your message first:
1. "It should be retroactive, otherwise it is unfair towards veterans who will not be able to get this reward."
Unless they leave, they will get the rewards at the same time a person who starts playing the day of the implementation, gets them. eg. If the policy is adapted 01/01/2011, at 1wp/year, a 3y vet will be a 6y vet at 01/01/2014 and have 3 free WPs. A person who registers on 01/01/2011, will also have 3 free WPs in 2014. The only way for a 3y vet to have less free WPs is if they quite before 2014. A 3y vet who 'sleeps' between 01/01/2011 and 01/01/2014 will have no free WPs. This could easily be rectified by Mur, granted that we care about this problem at all. How often would it happen anyway?
2. "this reward which, for all intents and purposes, is meant to reward loyalty."
No, not for all intents and purposes. Read the quote below carefully and see how the intents and purposes are not limited to loyalty, but are mixed with PR and other stuff (by lack of a better word.)

[i]"placing a wp at the start of the time frame is important. A new player will not be impressed by the idea that he will get somehting after ONE YEAR of playing, ...they are not sure if they will stay one day at first.
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I hope that in this way people will want more, and not consider wp as unreachable anyway. There are many that have none and stoped hoping for one."[/i]
-Mur

[quote name='Grim Angel' timestamp='1259949068' post='49106']
I like it

Will we be rewarded for the days we have now or from when it‘s implemented?
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it should be retroactive, otherwise, it'd be unfair to those who has stayed with MD the longest
so because they had the unfortunate fate of getting into MD before this is implemented, they won't have this reward
which, for all intents and purposes, is meant to reward loyalty?

if that's the case, then that will just encourage more alts...

That is true, reality will probably be somewhere in between, especially if you look at the average record of man's stupidity and wilfulness to grow exponentially in power at every cost.

But what if newbies get something else, instead of wp? A scaling ladder of loyalty rewards?
Newbies get... long time ago since I had to think in terms of mp3 and mp4, I dunno, a free item they can buy at whatever shop they can get into? Like if they can enter Loreroot, they can pick a free piece of medusa armor, with the added requirement of having at least 50 activity days.
Sounds doable, and it promotes the intended goals to some degree and it's not exactly harmful if it does get abused.

Whereas a wp would be somewhere way up high, with 500+ age, and perhaps linked to some sort of achievement as well?

Of course, I am only saying this because I am slightly more pessimistic towards wp inflation, especially when it's requirements are lowered enough that it doesn't really warrant an actual wp.

As inquiries have been made about the completion of the MD calendar and a response given that it is now an open community project with potential incentive, I thought I'd start the thread for the work.

I've personally been interested in the calendar for quite some time, so I'd really like to help with this if possible. Could the person who will be in charge for putting up the finished work once it's all completed PM me please?

The announcement made was as follows:

[quote]As you probably noticed, the calendar for these few month does not exist yet. Any of you is welcome to help by providing interesting ("same style") info for each of the missing days till the end of the year. Its better to get organized before randomly preparing info, use the forum for that. Currently we have all month of the year till August (included), so September October November and December are to be made. There are rewards for those that will help to finish the calendar but if you are doing it just for the reward please don't join.[/quote]

So, the months missing are:
•[b]September
•October
•November
•December[/b]

Some of the cultures that are currently used on the calendar are:
•Ancient Egyptian
•Greek
•Roman
•Celtic
•Islam
•Ancient Persian
•Aztec
•Native American
•Japanese
•[u]Significant events[/u] from the MD Adventure Log

(If anyone remembers any others, please post them and I can add them to the list.)


It seems that roughly about 3-4 different cultural 'events' are mentioned at [i]most[/i] on any given day, written in a concise format.

Renavoid mentioned in the mood panel that the calendar has already been finished, but it seems either the work was never received or simply not implemented. Whether that is used or new work used, I figure a thread to start doing [i]something[/i] can't hurt!

≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠

Ok, in an effort to streamline this, I'm going to propose the following:

•Those wishing to contribute should pick a full week (seven days) to do at any given time. I will put up a list of dates for all the missing months so that they can be signed up for.

•Choose at least two historic HOLIDAYS* prior to the year 1650AD for any given day, but [u]no more than four for that day[/u] (three is an ideal number unless that day happens to be incredibly interesting for some reason).

•Holiday summaries should be no longer than 130 characters each.


•Each holiday entry for any given date should include a citation of where you got it from. This is just to make sure they're not coming out of thin air.

•Completed weeks should be PM'd to me as in-line text. Please don't send me attachments.

Here's a sample of what I'm looking for:


[quote=Submission Template]WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 1-7

Sept. 1:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 2:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 3:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 4:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 5:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 6:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 7:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)[/quote]


Dates Available for work ([color="#4169E1"]post which you'd like to do and I'll put your name next to it[/color]- [b]Please submit one week before picking another one[/b]):

[color="#808080"]SEPT 1-7 ==>Aysun/awiiya (complete)
SEPT 8-15 ==>Awiiya (complete)
SEPT 16-23 ==>Awiiya (complete)
SEPT 24-30 ==>Awiiya (complete)

OCT 1-7 ==>Zleiphneir (complete)
OCT 8-15 ==>Zleiphneir (complete)
OCT 16-23 ==>Zleiphneir (complete)
OCT 24-31 ==>Zleiphneir (complete)

NOV 1-7 ==>bfh lighthing (complete)[/color]
NOV 8-15 ==>Peace (in progress)
[color="#FF0000"]NOV 16-23
NOV 24-30[/color]

DEC 1-7 ==>Aysun (in progress)
[color="#FF0000"]DEC 8-15
DEC 16-23
DEC 24-31[/color]

[color="#FF0000"]RED[/color] = open for work
BLACK = in progress
[color="#808080"]GREY[/color] = completed


[color="#FF0000"]>>>>READ ME:[/color] [u]Generic lists of dates for one specific culture are ok. Otherwise, PLEASE only submit ONE WEEK AT A TIME and let me know what you're working on right before you start so that I can keep track of it- you have no idea if someone else also has a message sitting in my inbox asking for something that you've begun work on without letting me know. This is the only way it can stay organized. PLEASE stick to the script with this, otherwise it becomes a tangled mess.[/u]


*just a note on the definition of 'holiday'- a traditional festival or traditional remembrance day that has become a feast day of some kind and has/had become an annual cultural norm for a given society. For example, The day athens survived against Sparta became an annual festival in greece, thus giving it long-term signifigance. However, the Battle of Torrence was just a battle- nothing is attached to it other than it happened and thusly shouldn't be used. If you have to wonder if it's worth using as a holiday for a given day, just pick something else less questionable.



[color="#FF0000"]tl;dr[/color]: There is no tl;dr-Read this post or else your submission won't be used.

With power comes responsibility. It is Jester's power -- by declaring that Pamplemousse has his authority -- he has inherently taken responsibility for whatever actions she may perform with it.

hypothetically, you could give royalty status to whole of Necrovion and make every Necrovion a powerful madman with overpowering privileges?

declare, I don't know, Leixer a royal bastard prince and such...

Or better. Show an active adepts list, and put all the non-active ones on a hidden page (viewable by click). While it is not likely, sometimes people return, and might want to contact their mentor when they do.

So you win 1 fight against the person a week?

That doesn't sound like it would be worth a WP

(Quest over, check the results here: http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/8011-crazymikes-trivia-results/)

PM me in forum or MD with your ID number for a name to get started.

Get names from participating players.

Once collected at least 5 names (some of the names collected might be wrong *wink*), you can PM me in MD. I will then give you a set of 5 questions to answer. You must answer with the names given and who you got the name from before the server resets. The first 3 players to get it right will win a WP.

Note: The questions are always rotating, so different players will get different set of questions.

If you got the answers wrong, you can only ask for a new set of questions when the MD server resets.

I will add at least one ID number of participating players once a day.

And REMEMBER NO ALTS!

To start off.... here is some IDs

47315
166669
129416
136253
200735
201160
198736
170600
92070
173793
10080
139999


Btw, the Ids given is just a leg up, you need to find other participating players yourself. *wink*

1 have 1 gold for trade it..

i suggest to do an experiment, one or more vets should take a random noob (that actually talks or asks something first) and spoil everything for him, like for idiots, tell him everything he needs to know, step by step, where to go what to do , how and what to click to solve puzzles, everything he asks and when he is not asking let him know you can help him if he cant do it himself. lets see how this will influence his behaviour.

unfortunatly its a marketing problem, ...now days "game" defines something disconnecting, relaxing, like looney toons. What i wanted here was an adventure, not as a game, but at all levels, mostly regarding human interaction. basically its not a game, and most expect a game. makes people lose patience fast. either we should change the way its presented, invitation only or such, or make it more game like by adding the classical skills branches and shit, to make people see they gather skill points or so...idk..i dont feel creative when it comes to change md into somehting more commercial sry.


very useful topic anyway, might be needed to make it permanent and advertise it better to the noobs. or even make it periodic, like starting it over with a number, so that noobs wont get scared to read a 100 posts topic, or not to let them influenced by previous ideas.

MD. Tee hee.

[quote name='Blackwoodforest' timestamp='1284535282' post='68433']
Topic says it all: Do you play XBOX live and if so, which games do you play mostly?
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i have a ps3, had an xbox that broke 4 times xD then moved to ps3

[quote name='Fyrd Argentus' timestamp='1284483332' post='68406']
Inactive is a technical term given by the system when they have not logged on for 5 days. When the system designates them as inactive, they do not count towards the 30 needed to make MP6. So I have 35 adepts, but only 20 that are "active" and count towards the requirement for MP6. Actually, which ones of the 35 are active does vary from week to week a bit.
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Curiose's response made me laugh. Its kind of fun to see people scold others when they don't understand what they are talking about.

I haven't thought about adepts in a long time. TO me the adepts pages is kind of like a cemetery of players past. Looking at all of the inactive players who haven't logged on in 5 days (actually most more than a year) reminds me of my time as an MP6 (so long ago).

Its funny how that seems like ancient history now. MD has changed so much since then.

Cutler

Once per month is too much.

Make it once every year, or twice, not 12 times? Hell no.

Could be, but I might want to add a bracket for the non-mainland as you put it...which is a tricky thing in itself.

And the competition..well you say its easy to make it fair, but in reality that's a harder thing to do than you think.

We'll see, those were my first thoughts reading this.

Okay. Aside from what's posted above this, I would like CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM on what we can do from here. I do care about what happened in the past, but not to the point of dragging out old arguments and getting people upset. Rhaegar may have had some good ideas and what not, some that may be expanded upon in the future. Other past leaders also had good ideas for leading the Church. But for now, I would like to restore the Savelites to something very similar to the original church before trying to change something else.

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Regardless of Bob’s cult and the CoE’s worship of the moon, the Savelites are the only officially recognised organised religion in all of Magic Duel. Getting that implemented was quite the feat all things taken into consideration. I think it is prudent to remember this, and that due to this, binning it will be quite the statement.

Also, considering that point, isn’t it interesting that it is indeed this alliance that causes the most controversy and conflict.

Z