Ivorak

How about that first free wp comes a certain number of active days AFTER beoming MP5. We need an incentive for those with stunted "growth" to move up.

I've earned 3 and caused another 5 to be awarded. But I'm a firm believer that "Magic"Duel needs more magic! And MD needs more players moving to MP5. I wouldn't even whine (much) if only the newest mp5's got that first free wp.......

[quote name='Metal Bunny' timestamp='1285936122' post='69455']
Of course, I am only saying this because I am slightly more pessimistic towards wp inflation, especially when it's requirements are lowered enough that it doesn't really warrant an actual wp.
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Sorites' paradox again...

[quote name='adiomino' timestamp='1285980164' post='69486']
What use is a WP to a person that just logs in to gain active days anyways? (now if that "person" is an alt that is a different story..)
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what use is logging in just to get active days? Unless you plan to return to actively playing on that account or alt abuse. In both cases WPs are interesting.
[quote]
but a WP to active days just seems like a nice idea. not much thinking has to been done about it besides how often the WP would be given out-if at all :PP. sorry if my opinion is too lax about it.
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That's insulting. There's several things being discussed at the same time: yes/no, how many/frequent, what about alts, what about alt abuse, what are the consequences towards WP value, the pr impact on new players... Next time, read the entire topic.

[quote name='Harion' timestamp='1285988266' post='69490']
it should be retroactive, otherwise, it'd be unfair to those who has stayed with MD the longest
so because they had the unfortunate fate of getting into MD before this is implemented, they won't have this reward
which, for all intents and purposes, is meant to reward loyalty?

if that's the case, then that will just encourage more alts...
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I'll try to understand your message first:
1. "It should be retroactive, otherwise it is unfair towards veterans who will not be able to get this reward."
Unless they leave, they will get the rewards at the same time a person who starts playing the day of the implementation, gets them. eg. If the policy is adapted 01/01/2011, at 1wp/year, a 3y vet will be a 6y vet at 01/01/2014 and have 3 free WPs. A person who registers on 01/01/2011, will also have 3 free WPs in 2014. The only way for a 3y vet to have less free WPs is if they quite before 2014. A 3y vet who 'sleeps' between 01/01/2011 and 01/01/2014 will have no free WPs. This could easily be rectified by Mur, granted that we care about this problem at all. How often would it happen anyway?
2. "this reward which, for all intents and purposes, is meant to reward loyalty."
No, not for all intents and purposes. Read the quote below carefully and see how the intents and purposes are not limited to loyalty, but are mixed with PR and other stuff (by lack of a better word.)

[i]"placing a wp at the start of the time frame is important. A new player will not be impressed by the idea that he will get somehting after ONE YEAR of playing, ...they are not sure if they will stay one day at first.
[...]
I hope that in this way people will want more, and not consider wp as unreachable anyway. There are many that have none and stoped hoping for one."[/i]
-Mur

[quote name='Grim Angel' timestamp='1259949068' post='49106']
I like it

Will we be rewarded for the days we have now or from when it‘s implemented?
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it should be retroactive, otherwise, it'd be unfair to those who has stayed with MD the longest
so because they had the unfortunate fate of getting into MD before this is implemented, they won't have this reward
which, for all intents and purposes, is meant to reward loyalty?

if that's the case, then that will just encourage more alts...

That is true, reality will probably be somewhere in between, especially if you look at the average record of man's stupidity and wilfulness to grow exponentially in power at every cost.

But what if newbies get something else, instead of wp? A scaling ladder of loyalty rewards?
Newbies get... long time ago since I had to think in terms of mp3 and mp4, I dunno, a free item they can buy at whatever shop they can get into? Like if they can enter Loreroot, they can pick a free piece of medusa armor, with the added requirement of having at least 50 activity days.
Sounds doable, and it promotes the intended goals to some degree and it's not exactly harmful if it does get abused.

Whereas a wp would be somewhere way up high, with 500+ age, and perhaps linked to some sort of achievement as well?

Of course, I am only saying this because I am slightly more pessimistic towards wp inflation, especially when it's requirements are lowered enough that it doesn't really warrant an actual wp.

As inquiries have been made about the completion of the MD calendar and a response given that it is now an open community project with potential incentive, I thought I'd start the thread for the work.

I've personally been interested in the calendar for quite some time, so I'd really like to help with this if possible. Could the person who will be in charge for putting up the finished work once it's all completed PM me please?

The announcement made was as follows:

[quote]As you probably noticed, the calendar for these few month does not exist yet. Any of you is welcome to help by providing interesting ("same style") info for each of the missing days till the end of the year. Its better to get organized before randomly preparing info, use the forum for that. Currently we have all month of the year till August (included), so September October November and December are to be made. There are rewards for those that will help to finish the calendar but if you are doing it just for the reward please don't join.[/quote]

So, the months missing are:
•[b]September
•October
•November
•December[/b]

Some of the cultures that are currently used on the calendar are:
•Ancient Egyptian
•Greek
•Roman
•Celtic
•Islam
•Ancient Persian
•Aztec
•Native American
•Japanese
•[u]Significant events[/u] from the MD Adventure Log

(If anyone remembers any others, please post them and I can add them to the list.)


It seems that roughly about 3-4 different cultural 'events' are mentioned at [i]most[/i] on any given day, written in a concise format.

Renavoid mentioned in the mood panel that the calendar has already been finished, but it seems either the work was never received or simply not implemented. Whether that is used or new work used, I figure a thread to start doing [i]something[/i] can't hurt!

≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠

Ok, in an effort to streamline this, I'm going to propose the following:

•Those wishing to contribute should pick a full week (seven days) to do at any given time. I will put up a list of dates for all the missing months so that they can be signed up for.

•Choose at least two historic HOLIDAYS* prior to the year 1650AD for any given day, but [u]no more than four for that day[/u] (three is an ideal number unless that day happens to be incredibly interesting for some reason).

•Holiday summaries should be no longer than 130 characters each.


•Each holiday entry for any given date should include a citation of where you got it from. This is just to make sure they're not coming out of thin air.

•Completed weeks should be PM'd to me as in-line text. Please don't send me attachments.

Here's a sample of what I'm looking for:


[quote=Submission Template]WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 1-7

Sept. 1:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 2:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 3:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 4:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 5:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 6:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)


Sept. 7:

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)

•holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)[/quote]


Dates Available for work ([color="#4169E1"]post which you'd like to do and I'll put your name next to it[/color]- [b]Please submit one week before picking another one[/b]):

[color="#808080"]SEPT 1-7 ==>Aysun/awiiya (complete)
SEPT 8-15 ==>Awiiya (complete)
SEPT 16-23 ==>Awiiya (complete)
SEPT 24-30 ==>Awiiya (complete)

OCT 1-7 ==>Zleiphneir (complete)
OCT 8-15 ==>Zleiphneir (complete)
OCT 16-23 ==>Zleiphneir (complete)
OCT 24-31 ==>Zleiphneir (complete)

NOV 1-7 ==>bfh lighthing (complete)[/color]
NOV 8-15 ==>Peace (in progress)
[color="#FF0000"]NOV 16-23
NOV 24-30[/color]

DEC 1-7 ==>Aysun (in progress)
[color="#FF0000"]DEC 8-15
DEC 16-23
DEC 24-31[/color]

[color="#FF0000"]RED[/color] = open for work
BLACK = in progress
[color="#808080"]GREY[/color] = completed


[color="#FF0000"]>>>>READ ME:[/color] [u]Generic lists of dates for one specific culture are ok. Otherwise, PLEASE only submit ONE WEEK AT A TIME and let me know what you're working on right before you start so that I can keep track of it- you have no idea if someone else also has a message sitting in my inbox asking for something that you've begun work on without letting me know. This is the only way it can stay organized. PLEASE stick to the script with this, otherwise it becomes a tangled mess.[/u]


*just a note on the definition of 'holiday'- a traditional festival or traditional remembrance day that has become a feast day of some kind and has/had become an annual cultural norm for a given society. For example, The day athens survived against Sparta became an annual festival in greece, thus giving it long-term signifigance. However, the Battle of Torrence was just a battle- nothing is attached to it other than it happened and thusly shouldn't be used. If you have to wonder if it's worth using as a holiday for a given day, just pick something else less questionable.



[color="#FF0000"]tl;dr[/color]: There is no tl;dr-Read this post or else your submission won't be used.

With power comes responsibility. It is Jester's power -- by declaring that Pamplemousse has his authority -- he has inherently taken responsibility for whatever actions she may perform with it.

hypothetically, you could give royalty status to whole of Necrovion and make every Necrovion a powerful madman with overpowering privileges?

declare, I don't know, Leixer a royal bastard prince and such...

Or better. Show an active adepts list, and put all the non-active ones on a hidden page (viewable by click). While it is not likely, sometimes people return, and might want to contact their mentor when they do.

So you win 1 fight against the person a week?

That doesn't sound like it would be worth a WP

(Quest over, check the results here: http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/8011-crazymikes-trivia-results/)

PM me in forum or MD with your ID number for a name to get started.

Get names from participating players.

Once collected at least 5 names (some of the names collected might be wrong *wink*), you can PM me in MD. I will then give you a set of 5 questions to answer. You must answer with the names given and who you got the name from before the server resets. The first 3 players to get it right will win a WP.

Note: The questions are always rotating, so different players will get different set of questions.

If you got the answers wrong, you can only ask for a new set of questions when the MD server resets.

I will add at least one ID number of participating players once a day.

And REMEMBER NO ALTS!

To start off.... here is some IDs

47315
166669
129416
136253
200735
201160
198736
170600
92070
173793
10080
139999


Btw, the Ids given is just a leg up, you need to find other participating players yourself. *wink*

1 have 1 gold for trade it..

i suggest to do an experiment, one or more vets should take a random noob (that actually talks or asks something first) and spoil everything for him, like for idiots, tell him everything he needs to know, step by step, where to go what to do , how and what to click to solve puzzles, everything he asks and when he is not asking let him know you can help him if he cant do it himself. lets see how this will influence his behaviour.

unfortunatly its a marketing problem, ...now days "game" defines something disconnecting, relaxing, like looney toons. What i wanted here was an adventure, not as a game, but at all levels, mostly regarding human interaction. basically its not a game, and most expect a game. makes people lose patience fast. either we should change the way its presented, invitation only or such, or make it more game like by adding the classical skills branches and shit, to make people see they gather skill points or so...idk..i dont feel creative when it comes to change md into somehting more commercial sry.


very useful topic anyway, might be needed to make it permanent and advertise it better to the noobs. or even make it periodic, like starting it over with a number, so that noobs wont get scared to read a 100 posts topic, or not to let them influenced by previous ideas.

MD. Tee hee.

[quote name='Blackwoodforest' timestamp='1284535282' post='68433']
Topic says it all: Do you play XBOX live and if so, which games do you play mostly?
[/quote]
i have a ps3, had an xbox that broke 4 times xD then moved to ps3

[quote name='Fyrd Argentus' timestamp='1284483332' post='68406']
Inactive is a technical term given by the system when they have not logged on for 5 days. When the system designates them as inactive, they do not count towards the 30 needed to make MP6. So I have 35 adepts, but only 20 that are "active" and count towards the requirement for MP6. Actually, which ones of the 35 are active does vary from week to week a bit.
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Curiose's response made me laugh. Its kind of fun to see people scold others when they don't understand what they are talking about.

I haven't thought about adepts in a long time. TO me the adepts pages is kind of like a cemetery of players past. Looking at all of the inactive players who haven't logged on in 5 days (actually most more than a year) reminds me of my time as an MP6 (so long ago).

Its funny how that seems like ancient history now. MD has changed so much since then.

Cutler

Once per month is too much.

Make it once every year, or twice, not 12 times? Hell no.

Could be, but I might want to add a bracket for the non-mainland as you put it...which is a tricky thing in itself.

And the competition..well you say its easy to make it fair, but in reality that's a harder thing to do than you think.

We'll see, those were my first thoughts reading this.

Okay. Aside from what's posted above this, I would like CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM on what we can do from here. I do care about what happened in the past, but not to the point of dragging out old arguments and getting people upset. Rhaegar may have had some good ideas and what not, some that may be expanded upon in the future. Other past leaders also had good ideas for leading the Church. But for now, I would like to restore the Savelites to something very similar to the original church before trying to change something else.

edited

Regardless of Bob’s cult and the CoE’s worship of the moon, the Savelites are the only officially recognised organised religion in all of Magic Duel. Getting that implemented was quite the feat all things taken into consideration. I think it is prudent to remember this, and that due to this, binning it will be quite the statement.

Also, considering that point, isn’t it interesting that it is indeed this alliance that causes the most controversy and conflict.

Z

I admire Nimrodel how you manage to turn Firsanthalas who banished Savelites, Marvolo who betrayed the Savelites into a poor old burdened king and a victimized brother. You are learning from the best, I think Firsanthalas should hold school for manipulation, lies, public hypocrisy, media spamming. Talking about biased opinions of Pip, where in fact he gives you the most rational responses, yet you yourself cannot accept that Firsanthalas actually has flaws.
From when this have started I've [b]NEVER[/b] saw Firsanthalas saying "ok, I might overreacted here, I might made a mistake here". Isn't that some sort of biased opinion? This course of events is really a mess, nobody can say that he did his part perfect.

-master initiator that's exactly what Firsanthalas condemnded up there, but you seem to present the pacifist part of his thoughts. Add faking to the list of held subjects in Firsanthalas' school. How I love to see when Firsanthalas plays the role of an angry god, and minutes after that, most often, Mya shows up with a fixed smile and a "welcome hug". In this case it is you.
-you know nothing about my chances given to Firsanthalas so stop talking about them. I will finish the file I mentioned soon I hope and post it somewhere to be seen, my point of view on things, and how I came to them.
-Mya always had suspicious behavior on me. We talked about that and I think we resolved that during the period, but sadly course of events lead us to separate sides again. Not being able to work with Mya... you need to be more concrete than giving semi-questions and answers, mentioning something than letting people use their imagination to present Rhaegar with horns and fire.
-So, me rebelling after Firs "tightens his nose" is wrong? He banishes me and sends me to prison... but that's perfectly fine? I could have done much worse later on Nimrodel, going into a mad sabotage wherever I could, you must understand that I have nothing more to lose here, and that's it when people are most dangerous. I chose not to do few things on the end. -Read more details on the following book, only 5 dollars to hear the story of your wildest imagination... - a little joke, but I will tell more about it when I make that file. Isolating case like this only makes my posts longer than needed.
I am very curios on how long it takes till someone in Loreroot makes an opinion of his/her own. Just a few more years?

-Nice now I'm accused of robbery. What else?



About Jazira... Of course she can't continue what I have started completely, if someone starts something in the Church it will most certainly be entirely new (much of my thoughts about it weren't expressed, of course, again, in that file you will find out more). However it makes me unease... I would like to give opportunity to Jazira to do something... it is my moral duty, one of the general principles of the Church for sure to let her do her job if she wants to do some good to the world. It is the dilemma that haunted me last few minutes, should I step up against Jazira, or support her? One of the major problems in it is that most certainly it won't have any refferance to what "my" Savelites were doing, what they standed for, and that most likely they will not be EVER mentioned by her, since she must follow up policy of Firsanthalas to make an alliance... But if she tries do something else that is good, why wouldn't she be able to, people get forgotten all the time? Maybe it is I who should try to preserve that memory, which I try to at least with that Memorial Firsanthalas hates so much...

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
First up, Rhaegar was let into the alliance along with other people when Grido and Z tried to rebuild it. He did not rebuild it from nothing like Jazira is now attempting to do.
He changed it, and you cannot deny that. It doesn't matter if he rebuilt it or not.
[/quote]

I seriously don't get your point. Its like all you want to do is negate what Firs says. His statement was with reference to the difference between Jazz's situation and Rhaegar's situation. And yes. Rhaegar did change it. If you talk to many people who knew savel well, they'd say that Savel's Church had long forgotten its intended purpose. But I guess you won't Bother about that all that.

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
Secondly, Rhaegar himself seemed to change the direction and ideas for the Church on several occassions. At one point he started to take up residence in the Tribunal Temple and he spoke about using it as a base for the Savels. That seemed to just peter out after a while. Then he wanted the Savels to be historians in Loreroot, then he started the avatar shop. There is more, but they are the big ones I can think of right off the top of my head.
Oh no, he tried to do other things! His life didn't revolve around the Savels 100%! He tried to give the Savels a NEW ROLE? BLASPHEMY! Nobody else has ever given an alliance a new role![/quote]

Oh yes! He did try to give the savels a new role. He had so many projects in his mind... He was a master initiator. But hardly few of them were completed. So where does that put the Church's new role? No where. None of us said it was blasphemous. Or a sin to dream big. Don't try to read in between the lines. There is nothing there. Unless you intend to create a new meaning just like you did right now.

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
Thirdly, he's a blockhead with as much subtlety as a bull in a china shop. He has zero tact and succeeded in royally getting up a lot of people's noses with his crap. He still does. He had an issue with me from day 1. Why? Because he listened to and believed venomous crap that was still boiling over from old wounds in Loreroot. No matter what happened, he never ever got past that. In short, he was a source of conflict within Loreroot and outside it too.
That doesn't change the fact that you ONLY "put up with him" and didn't try to establish friendly ties. (Simply taking the information from your post, I don't pretend to know about your personal issues)[/quote]

Didn't try to establish friendly ties? When you dont know what happened, you might as well shut up and not comment. as I said before... Don't try reading in between the lines.There is nothing in there. everything is straightforward and direct, unless of course you want to give stuff a new meaning.

Besides... it wasn't one sided. If You say firs didn't try then you have to accept that Rhaegar never gave him a chance either. How can you tie a friendly knot if the end of one of the threads is never available?

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
I put up with Rhaegar for as long as I did for one simple fact. I was trying to be fair. I did not want my personal feelings towards him to cloud my judgement and I wanted to give him a chance. Many people felt that I was too soft and I believe that Rhaegar himself started to believe that I was somehow weak and he could push me as much as he wanted. Wrong on that score.
He's a control freak. He seemed incapable of delegating tasks and only seemed to want to work with people when he felt like it or if he wanted to. By and large he showed little interest in working with anyone outside the Savels.
Why should he work with anybody if he doesn't want to? As an example, I'm not overly friendly with redneck. Am I going to go to him and say "Hey, wanna help me with a quest?", even if we're in the same alliance? It's not hard to ignore someone or something. For most people, anyways.[/quote]

Lol... He couldn't even work properly with Mya. I am pretty sure you can vouch for the fact that there is a lot of difference between Mya and redneck. Basically he didnt trust Firs. And thus he didn't trust most guardians. And there in lay the problem.

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
He openly fostered a belief in at least some of the Savels, that if they were in the alliance before the kingship elections, then they didn't have to recognise the king. For any leader of any group in Loreoot to do such a thing is unacceptable. I also found out that things I said concerning his members were either not passed on or twisted. And he insisted that he deal with his members, not me.
Who cares about his beliefs? Lay down the law, don't stand there and "put up with him". There's a PM system and chat for speaking to people, you don't need to go through him. That's plain lack of effort on your part, if you really wanted to speak to them.[/quote]
Lol... you saw what happened when Firs tightened the noose. He Rebelled. Still wanna say that Firs never gave him a chance?

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
Activity of the Savels...
Towards the end of his tenure, there was little or none. Most of the members seemed inactive and at least one member seemed to spend more time outside the alliance than actually in it (not a personal dig by the way, merely the way things seemed).
You want to talk about inactives? Grayhawk, White Reaper, Mysteria Blue (seemingly back, but still had a long absence), Siala Lone Wolf, Cross Swords and Mojomuppet (not 100% sure) in GotR, and I won't even mention the ones in CoE.
This is not intended as a shot at GotR or CoE, just don't complain about inactives if you've got plenty under your command.[/quote]

Mojo muppet? she logs on every single day and trains as well. Rhaegar was responsible for his alliance. And hence came the statement. As for the Inactives in GotR, we have our own filtering system and we aren't answerable to you for that. And by the way, You missed the whole point in firs's statement:

[quote name='Firsanthalas' timestamp='1284194433' post='68182']
[b]When I booted him there was almost no reaction from them.[/b] Infact, some of them seemed completely oblivious to what had happened. [b]Personally I was disappointed. I had expected more of a reaction, any reaction.[/b]
When Marv took over he tried to contact the members and got almost no response until he kicked people.[/quote]

There.. now its all bold and clear.

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
Savelite items....
Rhaegar aggressively sought the items that he felt belonged to the church. He was very insistent (to put it mildly) that they belonged to the church. Where are they now? He refused to return the ones he had to Marvolo, when Marvolo took over. I guess that they only belong to the church if Rhaegar is running it. Maybe it should be called the church of Rhaegar?
Rhaegar bought the items with his own funds, I'm assuming. If another Muffin Man came along and replaced you without your permission, would you willingly give him your muffin-related items if you still considered muffins to be part of your role?[/quote]

Rhaegar had all of marv's money and said he wouldn't return the money to Marv unless the savellite items which marv had were returned to him. It was quite a lot of money. And no.. Rhaegar didnt buy the items with his own funds. It was marv's money, Church's funds and a few of the items were given to them during the Land item distribution thingy. Get your facts right before you comment.

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
Alliance location..
Rhaegar himself stated to me very clearly that the Savels belonged in Loreroot and would never leave.
Opinions change, get over it.[/quote]
Opinions change? Jazira wants it to be in Loreroot as well. I don't see your point.

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
Savelite memorial....
Yeah, I find this a mixture of funny and sickening really. For starters it is really a homage to himself and one or two others, as well as a two fingered salute to myself and the rest of Loreroot. He's missing at least one name of an older member from that list and he has included names of people that had long gone before his demise and also some people that were barely there or did anything at all. The Savels are also not dead, so having a 'memorial' is in poor taste in my opinion.
Marv's Savels were no better than what you seemingly believe Rhaegar's were, and Jazira's plans don't even look like the Savelite Church, they look like the Loreroot Church. Who really cares if he's missing a few names, or included some extra, just because? In the end, it's up to him who goes on, not you. If you disagree, talk to him about it, otherwise, keep your opinion of it to yourself.[/quote]
Hypocrisy at its highest. You just supported Rhaegar in his desire to give savel's Church a new role, now you whine about jazira's attempt. Frankly If you have a problem with it... speak to her personally or keep your opinion to yourself.
You see, a few people I know, who really had a good opinion about Rhaegar, seemed to think that it was unforgivable that he set up a memorial when the alliance issues were not really sorted out. Proves that people do care about it.

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
The ultimate irony though, is that the alliance should have a memorial, because it should be put to bed in my opinion. But it seems that people in MD have an inability to let go of the past and move on. If this new incarnation of the alliance does not make something of itself it will be going to alliance heaven. Make no mistakes about it.
Yey, threats to people who actually wish to see Savelites restored.[/quote]

You have this thing for making a mountain of a mole hill don't you? Again you are trying to read in between the lines when there is nothing there to read.

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
As for a memorial, that should be something that is done by the MD community (or at the very least the land of the alliance), not by one or two people with an axe to grind.
So, instead of the former leader of the alliance in question, you'd rather either have everybody (most of the people in this group have never had anything to do with the alliance), or you (who has never been in the alliance) decide who goes on the list? Not to mention, of course, that NOBODY can dictate what who puts on clickables except Mur. You want something else for the memorial? Do it yourself.[/quote]

He DID NOT DICTATE. He stated an opinion just like you have been stating all along. Or should I assume that you were trying to dictate Firs what to think or do and what not to think or do?

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
Rhaegar had his chance. He blew it royally, so stop this nonsense of saying he should have it back. It is time to give someone else a chance or put the alliance to bed once and for all.
Yeah, he blew it because of a personal issue between you and him. It was not because of all of that "abuse" you put up with, and it was not because he created an unofficial Lorerootian group without your permission. These things are easily ignored.[/quote]

First of all, Stop trying to be the insider.You never even liked Rhaegar or Loreroot. You haven't even seen one side of the coin. Wait. Correction. You haven't even seen the cover properly. So you might as well just stop commenting about the other half or judge the entire situation by yourself.

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284199057' post='68185']
Now, I don't know about the rest of the community, but I'm tired of hearing you ***** and moan and try to justify yourself. I am also VERY tired of hearing Marv spout off every time Rhaegar and the Savels are mentioned in the same paragraph. Everybody knows both of your positions and opinions on the subject already, so the only reasons I can see for these posts are attempts at justification or just pure hatred, and either way, both reasons make you a "blockhead with as much subtlety as a bull in a china shop", in my opinion.[/quote]

You attention and opinions were not asked for. If you are tired of listening to the so called *****ing and moaning you might as well stop reading or responding to these posts. Trust me it would be a blessing if you did. You have the right to KEEP YOUR FRIGGIN OPINIONS TO YOURSELF or you might talk to the concerned privately. Just as you suggested Firs in your post.

And oh pip... your posts show your clear dislike against everything related to Loreroot or Yrth whatever it maybe. I am trying my best not to say you are prejudiced or.. *cough* "a blockhead with as much subtlety as a bull in a china shop"

Pipstickz gives you the most possible rational response, yet "people" manage to get him into six negative points, cause he's making responses to the most beloved.

I will most likely make a lengthy file, about my presence in Loreroot. Have no fear it will be done as objectively as possible, explaining WHY I had such and such point of view at such and such situation, how I started and how events evolved around me (how it influenced course of events... I realize it sounds egoistic, the point is that many people know nothing about the subject, most will not care, I'm making it for few people that will care, to get the whole picture from my side, and not Firsanthalas' propaganda) so I don't have to make same responses on false accusations by Firsanthalas on the forum, whenever my name is mentioned.
The amount of bollocks you make Firsanthalas is outstanding.

Let's start with some short responces, and be patient for that file to get the lengthy ones.

Main point of the Savelites were the general values it stood for. You were too blind to see it.
-I did make an alliance from nothing. first members I had when I arrived where: Clock Master, MWbrady, White Reaper. The last two left. I think I did a pretty damn good job, if you look at least at the individuals I brought to the Church, considering that I projects that were ongoing, who should have represented the very base of the Savelites Church such as Savelite Codex with the help of Blackthorn. I'll explain all that in that file...
-If you know how to read, you would see that an Outpost doesn't mean changing homelands. The Idea was to help the travelers with healing, nothing major of assistance, but something symbolic, fitting to the role. And of course I try to assign many roles to the Savelites... what, should I focus on just one? I am not that limited as you are.
-What's wrong with setting an Avatar Shop? What did you do anyway?
-Thank you very much on your compliments. I love you too.
-Never thought you were weak, I knew that you weren't. You're an opportunist that managed to squash everyone on his way to power, that is for respect old lad My "issue" was you being incapable of doing anything for Loreroot, nor accepting to actually help on those suggestions from the people who try to do something.
-Activity of Savelites was great, and I planned to make it better, I'm sorry that it was taking much time, at least it was quite bigger than those of Guardians of the Root. Any GoTR made at least an UTOB or a decent quest? Your GoTR I mean, not the GoTR from Nelya or such. Don't lie about not responsive Savelites please.
-Aggresively kept the items THAT I PAYED FOR?! WOW! And even if I got them by privilege of course that I wouldn't give them to Marvolo since he betrayed the principles of the Church for which the items were created for, I admire your logics Firsanthalas, I really do. Wait I was sarcastic. You're bizarreness and absurdity brings me to madness.
-Yes, memorial to the fallen of your tyranny. I'm sorry it sounds political, but I had the need to give them at least a decent memorial if not freedom in their own alliance.


don't accuse Pip of spamming since he was the only one to make sensible responses. The worst part is that you have actually followers on your path of complexes and paranoia.

edit: I'm apologizing to neutral observers if I took it too much, but hypocricy of Firsanthalas and such as him really get the worst out of me

[quote name='Sasha Lilias' timestamp='1284154659' post='68172']
The current leader to revise about the guild/alliance and Savelfuser and actually take it all on board before thinking of the roles within the guild/alliance and it's own rules, regulations and history.
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I believe this is the only attempt to be constructive, but I'm afraid it doesn't make any sense. Why should someone act before thinking? (As I think you seem to have stated.)

I think Jazira is putting forth a solid effort, even if I disagree with a few things on a personal, or emotional, level. I would just like to bring up one concern: where is the "church" in the Savelites Church? My understanding of a church is that it is a place (or congregation) for worship. I see that you plan sermons, but none have the element of worship.

If you are intentionally minimizing religious elements, could you clarify your intent?

[quote name='Sasha Lilias' timestamp='1284154659' post='68172']
The current leader to revise about the guild/alliance and Savelfuser and actually take it all on board before thinking of the roles within the guild/alliance and it's own rules, regulations and history.
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I believe this is the only attempt to be constructive, but I'm afraid it doesn't make any sense. Why should someone act before thinking? (As I think you seem to have stated.)

I think Jazira is putting forth a solid effort, even if I disagree with a few things on a personal, or emotional, level. I would just like to bring up one concern: where is the "church" in the Savelites Church? My understanding of a church is that it is a place (or congregation) for worship. I see that you plan sermons, but none have the element of worship.

If you are intentionally minimizing religious elements, could you clarify your intent?

As much as I respect you Jazira I don't really like the alliance, or guild, anymore. To me it has lost it's true meaning and is now just some sort of play thing to be handed around to various people.
Rhaegar was the only one that kept SOME of the true meaning of the Savelites in the guild. Grido didn't spent quite a lot of time re-establishing the guild/alliance just so that it could be demolished once more. Personally I think that the guild should either :

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[*]Be re-taken over by Rhaegar. This being because, as I said before, he at least kept some of the original meanings the guild/alliance.
[*]The current leader to revise about the guild/alliance and Savelfuser and actually take it all on board before thinking of the roles within the guild/alliance and it's own rules, regulations and history.
[*]Or, this being my favourite suggestion at the moment, to be disbanded. The alliance has lost it's purpose, role and to be honest, originality.
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Im sorry to sound like the moaner but this is how I feel and hopefully how others feel as well, with some of it at least.

Back to the topic, read this post, take it on board, mix it with your OWN ideas and hopefully you can re-establish the alliance as it should be.

Goodluck!

[quote name='DarkPriestess' timestamp='1284041682' post='68111']
Even if some log in just to get their active day counted, they still remain there, sleeping.
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There's this button labeled 'log out' after which you cannot be attacked anymore... I know you haven't suggested to change that, but if you were to, I'd strongly oppose it.
As Esmerelda pointed out, you're either counting on people's goodwill to stay attack-able or their ignorance of the new feature. I highly doubt this will "fix" mp5.


[quote name='pamplemousse' timestamp='1284042186' post='68113']
I think it will balance out the Day of Tranquility a bit.
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The days of Tranquility are supposed to become tied to the day/night cycle (for lack of better word). Regular days are its counterweight. Personally I think MD is already unbalanced enough towards creature battles. Inventing days of turmoil or whatever, is not balancing at all. There's neither a need nor a way to hide the purpose of this proposal behind fancy words; Peace had the decency to state it for what it is.