Muratus del Mur

Junior is highest bidder with 5gc

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SOLD to Nimrodel for 5gc! transaction will be at meeting of the roads

I am not taking silver , the auction is only for gold, i said that in the auction description. its why i make the auction afterall. So please exchange the silver. (its not clear if you already sent it or not, specify)

@Menhir: to research doesn't mean to be blind to other findings, just to rediscover them. I never took any knowledge for granted untill i rediscovered it myself too, one way or an other. -- All wishpoints sent, please check, somehow my interface behaved strange when giving them Thank you all for participating

SOLD to Shadowseeker for 35gc! Meet ne at neeting of the roads to complete the transfer

it was actually designed like this initially...i think the filter is still there but inactive. I noticed that the realm would look quite confusing due to high viscosity if i put this filter... to bad , its a good idea...mayne one time i find a better way to do it

Oh wow you must see this :))) so, winners of this contest... apparently you finished the contest in the wrong place, a couple of years earlier you could have won 5000$ (at that time was A LOT) http://blog.modernmechanix.com/5000-for-proving-the-earth-is-a-globe/

Speaking of that, having a round earth makes more sense than a flat one...from a concept point of view, not a physical one... spherical is superior and more complete to circular. In flat earth theory the earth was circular/disk while the universe was spherical. Nowdays we just shifted the complexity one level up. The earth became spherical and the universe..well idk the name, but one complexity level up (hypersphere? multidimentional universe thing) The NEED to see it flat comes from an inside fear, and a much much deeper need for having something above us (from all points of view). Imagining a flat earth gives a fast and clear explenation to what is above, and where the earth ends, surrounded by fear, mystery, gods, and so on. Flat earth theory comes from the hunger of people to have an explenation for everything, one that will fit with what they see imediately, and that will also encapsulate all other beliefs they have. Back long ago there where other reasons than now, for a flat earth explenation, ...today its mostly the need to find a place for extraterestrials using our world as a lab. it is very interesting to observe that the flat earth theories are not that flat at all, and they are at the edge of concept and fact. Look how this flat earth was presented in alchemy for example.... but remember it is also described in the bible as such...making it very interesting to understand WHY. I personally believe that the flat earth representation, even if totally wrong from a geographic point of view, holds much more beauty and symbolises the interior of our mind and..soul actually..much better than the round version. [attachment=4754:firmament-alchemy.jpg] [attachment=4755:firmament-alchemy.jpg] It is funny that at some point it was the hollow earth current, so similar to the flat earth one but it was admitting its round. Now ...to throw a nuclear bomb here.....do you realise that if you make the earth like a dome, partial sphere, most of your explenations to prove its round will be useless? :)) Most but not all...its round alright:)) but people get so excited, angry and sometimes violent, if you question their obvious beliefs, thats what this contest was about!

@Nim ok, good we clarified that. Yes i am and always be a fan of non-md themed quests...i can't see how this is new to you all, i think all my quests are like this, nobody noticed??!? lol About the 'edge' of a flat earth, 'flat-earthers' found a trick explenation to this, namely that the edge is ice, ..and if you look at it, flying to antarctica is kind of out of limits. I saw there is a company that does fly over antarctica, but its not crossing it.... so for now that territory is indeed off limits. so any path you take to go south on a round earth you reach antarctica, and any path you would take to go south on a flat earth will take you to antarctica also, not to an edge... its a very entertaining mind teasing story. The round earth theory is quite new, very new actually compared to the thousands of years before when the world was seen like placed into a dome. I am pretty sure that nobody here actually asked themselves if the earth is round or not, they just took the answer by default, so it is an interesting thought process to make people find their own explenations. The contest was never about confirming or infirming my own beliefs, was about 'questioning the obvious'...i hjad to be impartial to both theories. @menhir: my own experiences and discoveries yes (thats actually a much longer story), but also you can find this in alchemy, christianity, buddhism, and probably in other. in fact this idea i put in just a few words is so deep and full of mind opening surprises. Understanding the world around you helps one to understand himself, and understanding yourself will help you understand the world around you. Its not about "up" and "down", but its about "small" and "big", "inner" and "outer", and so on... the universe mirrors itself into us

transaction will be done through Junior, i think you will find him at Meeting of the Roads

SOLD to Syrian for 15TST meet me ingame for the transfer Congratulations

I always did quests about things not directly md related... and i see no problem with it at all..and i am not the only one doing it either. A quest unrelated to md is not the same thing with a fake quest, idk what the problem is. Thinking outside the box, having personal opinions and being creative in finding solutions are and always will be "related" to md, therefore the quests is along those lines. The only real judge of quest quality are you those that participate in it , and the level of involvement you show...speaking of that, this topic starts to derail

drop of blood - 8 silver (one time bid, i will not overbid if someone gives more)

if its a "lol-thread" as you call it then it should not have a wp reward ...if it has such a reward and the reward goes to a joke, i will consider this contest a fraud and Nim will get a private tour to the jail. Simple as that. The part of this being an insult i leave behind yeah i don't think historic things should be part of any 'question the obvious' kind of contest, but anyone can do what contests they like as long as its a real contest. For now this contest is valid..not the smartest choice of the subject but it can lead to a valid debate even so. The fact that someone takes for granted such a thing ..enough to make a joke out of it, as if its 'absolutely impossible not to be true' ..makes it even more suitable as a 'question the obvious' contest.

Its a nice contest, i can supplement the rewards next time if needed How many participants? just a thought, i think there could be a way to connect land treasury to this somehow Also note..don't roll the dice with me in the scene as the results might be not so random, i won't go into details now, just don't :) I don't know if its pure luck or you did an actual estimation of the chances, but the way the rewards got distributed is perfect. No first winner is fine, makes it so much more special for when one will be, and just one second prize. I am still not sure if this is because you picked just one or there was just one

Current highest bidder is Syrian with 15TST last call will close the auction within a day if last bid

@lazarus, area 51-lizard-whatever is harder to prove than a flat 'universe' @powle: you start to ruin your own theory lol

Junior is highest bidder with 3gc last call will close auction within a day if no more biids

Nimrodel, highest bidder with 5gc last call will close auction within a day if no reply

current highest bidder, Shadowseeker 35gc I will end the auction within a day if no other bid. (whhaaatt insane amounts,lol)

I made up my mind... powle gets the last wp. Jubaris answer was valid one but so similar to the one where observing distant objects can prove that, miq and amber also pointed to a decent evidence, according to the contest rules (civilian satelites) I could have picked any of these but i made a personal decision picking powle's answer because even if not fully do-able in reality (underwater laser would not probably go straight line over very long distance, just in theory).. i admire personal attempts to find a solution more than a googled one. so..current contest status: Ary Endleg 1wp - for pointing out that in the way i presented the contest there are too many limitations to give a valid answer. Well this is not entirely true, because as you can see there where more than decent answers, but i appreciate the fact that someone actually analized the contest premises powle 1wp - for daring to come with an original solution to check this..that can actually work (you need a pointer and a rope between two floating objects to see if the water level goes above the laser line or not) Jubaris Miq, The warrior and Aeoshattr all made valid entries previously, here they are Aeoshattr: - objects at horizon beyond a certain distance are not observable - lunar eclipse shows a round shadow of the earth regardless of position (instead of oval or variable size like it should do on a flat model) jubaris: - stars look different from south and north, they should look the same in a flat model. Its difficult to test in one person but easy to test through communication, a feature we can fully enjoy nowdays Miq: - civilian sattelite made pcitures. Impossible to check yourself but quite plausible. Amber brought some more similar proof The warrior - applying geometry to check this, the angles of a triangle on a sphere should be different than for the same triangle on a plane. It is also a valid and smart method, but very difficult to put in practice to actually check because you would need to do a very large triangle and measure it very accurately. Tracing lines at such distance could be done only by laser, but laser would follow straight lines. I am sorry if i missed to comment on any replies, i tried to but maybe i missed some..idk. It is hard to pick just a few winning answers when multiple are correct... but i can't reward more than what i said on this contest. I will pick Aeoshattr for this last wp because his entry is easier to do in practice than the other ones. Aeoshattr 1wp - objects at horizon and lunar eclipse ...the contest ends here, but feel free to reply more if you wish , i will read all. Thank you for participating and thank you for keeping an open mind even to most outrageos things :)

the actual footage of the first moon landing GOT LOST/ERASED http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720 same way 9/11 investigation files got deleted by 'accident' (if you still think a mistake of such a magnitude is even possible, and a historic event got simply erased by the most technologically advance instutution, you are quite brainwashed, congrats.) So all the pictures you see now about that landing are technically speaking a fake, by definition. If the moon landing was a fake or not, its a lot harder to prove, because its not something you can "check" on your own. There was enormous pressure on the US to claim the "first man on the moon" thing, however the technology back then was not enough for this. Even current nasa news talks about problems in crossing the Van Allen radiation belt with living things on bord ...so if NOW its a problem, how did they do it back then?? One way to check if the moon landings took place is to point a telescope at the moon and LOOK AT IT, you should be able to see the landing sites...but however this does not proves a date or a human presence there at that date. Yes, the landing sites are visible from earth, but not enough details to make a difference between shooting a bullet to the moon and stepping on the moon. @nim you are making this contest as a mockery to mine, ...thats sad ..and its even more sad to see others participating in this frustration when it comes to question the obvious things around you. I was hoping you people where more open minded than the general crowds however, anyone that has wp to give can give them for whatever contest they can think of thats actually a contest and not a way to cover personal rewards.... so be careful to run this fake contest as a real contest if you intend to give wishpoints for it. have fun.

@Miq & Amber: thats very very nice info.. but i am sorry it doesn't fit really with the purpose of the contest, to be able to prove yourself that the earth is round @Nim & Ivorak & No one: i am ignoring comments made like a joke, mockery or random or poorly thought replies the fact that you don't see the relevance of such a contest, or you feel outraged by the question itself, means nothing to me. The contest is to make people think, to QUESTION the obvious, and avoid assumptions @@DD & Fang: i am not considering your last answers part of the contest, just observations and comments, so no answer to that @Jubaris: the point about the visible sky is valid, constelations change depending from where you are looking at it, i am considering this a valid answer but will have to pick a single winner for the last wp @powle: thats a brave attempt to make your own method of checking it ..did you find the experiment anywhere or just imagined it yourself? i am considering this a valid answer but will have to pick a single winner for the last wp about the sun movement, it doesn't make any sense to me why it would move in the opposite direction while in the south hemisphere.... plus its further away from a 'do-able' test so ..for now...unless i see , more answers to compete for the last wp, i will pick between jubaris and powle

and Ary Endleg get one wp for a clever answer. one wp to either Miq or Aeo,....undecided yet.....if miq can prove the method is "do-able" gets it, if not Aeo One more wp left