Muratus del Mur

wow so many answers, i will have to skip answering some. @Aeoshattr:p points 6 and 7 , about the horizon and the lunar eclipse, i like them ..both valid proof (the rest are not so strong because they imply laws of physics on a spherical object, but if its not , then it might have different forces that keep it in place also, and timezone is related to the sun, can work on a flat surface also. "visible" curvature is also no proof because its actually not visible unless very high altitude, its optical illusion most of the time..like when you watch the horizon at sea) @Miq finnaly an other source for such pics! i never herd of them before. Please tell me...who/what did the pictures of the sattelite considering the satelite itself is tiny. ...and why in these pictures is FULL of stars while in others is none, yet the earth has about the same luminosity.... http://g4.nh.ee/images/pix/900x585/5YSjUJLP3Qs/ce3d95188cc6c7cd66-66087412.jpg (i am not saying they are fake, these, but explain me the above) @The warrior: yesss...one of the things i wanted to hear :)) ... that would prove the shape of the earth ..and if measured acurately it could also say if it is spherical, dome, flat, whatever. I think this is a very valid method to test...but can it be done in practice? you would need vast spaces...maybe at sea? Maybe using lasers for the lines? or that wouldn't work because of the curvature? @Menhir: but whats inside mirrors what is outside, and vice versa. "As above so below"... @Dark Demon: orbiting things can be explained on the flat earth model as well, you just go outside the reach of gravity and you're 'floating' The sunlight, the way you describe it, makes no sense, as you would see different tempreture levels from a radial heat source just the same on a flat surface as on a spherical one, I challanged the earth shape, never said the sun becomes "flat" too. Check out minute 1:18 of this movie so you understand what i mean about sunlight explained on a flat model https://youtu.be/GDaiw-G1VGE?list=LLPazc0hA-FeE0eRigtzDoEQ Btw, i will give out 3 wishpoints for the smartest three answers, if there will be 3 (for either theory if the case). by smart i mean if its simple enough to do by anyone and is unquestionable proof. (one per person) (now i switch to the next page and answer those as well)

look a very interesting discussion i found with both pro and contra well done arguments..check the videos too. http://www.debate.org/debates/Scientific-evidence-overwellmingly-supports-a-flat-earth/1/

@amber: you noticed that flight costs £380,000 ?? kind of prohibitive, i reallly wonder if it ever took place. there should be social media pics of such an event, i doubt anyone paying almost half a million dollar on a flight with a view , would not flood his facebook with selfies :))...check that maybe? Also notice that the curvature in the second picture on that page is SIGNIFICANTLY different from the one in pic 5 ... idk what it means, it could mean they are generated from other pics or 3d model.. or different altitude...but the difference is too big. the pictures from that plane are very interesting. I still have a problem with the lack of stars in such pictures, i saw various explenations, like the normal camera is not sensitive like the eye, or that light BENDS around the earth... nothing i heard so far really makes sense to me.... a professional photographer ...flying on such an awesome ride on a military jet...would bring best camera and make pics to exactly what his eyes are seeing.. so please explain me why there are no stars in such pics done by a professional with good equipment (and why just a couple of pics and not a full gallery). I am not saying they are fake, but i need more proof in such an "investigation" :) what about the jetstreams? i don't get it why they could not work on a disk/flat surface Btw, i did't see any evidence that its flat either, just theories that fit, saying it could be flat....same way it could be round... based on forged pics or questionable sources. Anyone can please find a theory or method of testing/proving earth "roundness" in your own backyard so to speak? There is one i know of so i am not sending you to chase ghosts.... but if you find other that will convince me, its a lot better. So prove me in a way i can verify with my own abilities/tools that the earth round, or flat, or whatever.

ok first of all, this IS A VERY SERIOUS TOPIC. It is a challange for you to think with your own mind, not to take things for granted just because you heard them so. Alien conspiracy theories and such are equally worthless like space images, because none of them you can prove or double check yourself. I will try to fight all your answers, not because i want to fight for one of the answers but because i want to eliminate all theories that make no verifiable sense, regardless if they are saying the world is spheriucal, flat or even cubic or whatever. ...and btw @Ary, yeah ALL those pics are a rude fake...a very bad one also (i can detail more if you like, from my own perspective, but here is an interesting read http://gizmodo.com/5854771/the-secrets-behind-the-most-famous-earth-image-of-all-time ) Erastostene assumed the earth to be round, thats how he could calculate its possible radius..only if he assumed it was round not by proving it is. It is like if i would give you a distance..but instead of calling it a line i call it radius, implying its circle, you will know its diameter, but all you had to start with was a fixed size and an idea that it might be a circle. Thats how earth size was calculated. ps. i found a couple of very strong evidence...but funny enough they are for both the round earth model and for the flat earth theory.... i won't discuss them here unless one of you opens the discussion, i will just "fight" your answers, regardless in what "favor" they are. Its not about my own view of the world, its about you learning to actually thing with your own mind. One good way to do this is to start comparing all other info you know from OWN experience and see if they could make sense with either of the two world models (like MRF did above with the flying from one point to the other question)

@mrf : works just the same on a flat world. On a spherical world you would fly/drive in a circle around the surface, in a flat one it will be also on a circle...very very large one, so it looks like a straight line. In fact such a path would appear like a circle on the azimuthal equidistant projection used in navigation

disclaimer: before going wild and into denial mode, keep in mind that all i am asking is for proof that the earth is round, not that it is flat .. if it is ..why not know how you know it is, right? When i was little i had this "mad scientist" old inventor living in the same building, that told me once, that the earth is FLAT..and he was very convinced and convincing about it.... but i was a little kid and over the years i ignored it and forgot it. Today i wanted to find a single proof that the earth is round... sometimes i like to question "the obvious" and know such "basic" things. ...but guess what... instead of finding some solid proof that the earth is a globe, i found lots and lots of info about how it is not.. ok...i kept digging... to find an actual proof that the earth is "round" ..because most "documentaries" about a flat earth that i stumbled upon where mixed with incomplete ideas and made by visibly disturbed individuals....so i wanted to find my own proof... there is a LOT to say about the subject, much more than i expected to be .. first i want to say that there is NO ACTUAL IMAGE OF THE EARTH FROM SPACE. All images present editing and even nasa admits its like that because they generated the image from multiple satelites...you can see no stars around the earth in such images btw. Someone please give me a solid undeniable evidence that the earth is round. ...and no ...a "science" book does not represent valid evidence. ---------- some notes: - the rising of the sun and moon can be _perfectly_ explained on a flat surface - old maps..actually not that old... are showing the earth as flat with the north in the center, the UN logo and military earth maps are still the same - over 20 generations people used the globe earth model based on theory and absolutely no evidence - then nasa presented the famous picture of the earth from space, that turns out to be computer generated afterall, and all pictures since then - commercial routes between very close points in the southern 'hemisphere' look to be incredible long on a globe model, but a direct route on the flat map they use for navigating. - acurved horizon line is curved because of optical properties of the observer, like your eyes, or photo lens. You can see a different curvature depending on the camera for example only thing i found so far as evidence for a round earth is this: - at long distance, you can notice tall objects partially obscured by the horizon (idk if this effect can be explained over a wide flat surface too) So.... hit me... i want solid observable or verifiable evidence that the earth is round :) sorry but a picture from space i can not verify myself... but i would consider it a decent evidence if such a picture would be produced by a civilian good luck digging! [attachment=4752:Antarctica Perimeter.jpg]

This auction ends first, current highest bidder Ivorak 23g last call (if someone else bids higher the auction will be extended to allow all to see it)

just to clarify what i said, the tickets will continue to be given out on a regular basis (in fact somethign related to this will be announced shortly)...i was just saying that i will not give spender tickets in this period, not that i won't give them at all. Just needed to clarify this.

kind of difficult to make an offer...i have no clue what you are expecting for them.. (why not a public auction?) i'm interested if they are well aged...how much you want for them?

I think it was well organized ...i had absolutely no involvement with any organizing so i can freely say my opinion about this :) the christmas points ideea is really an amazing one, really well fitted, GREAT :)

if i understand right, the winner must get the exact numbers, right? so it might be that nobody wins , or many win, but there are just limited rewards. I was not refering to same person winning same thing, i mean if someone gets the numbers right, they should still win something... or at least thats how i see it I don;t want to flood the market with rare crits, just to sponsor a reward that is very unlikely to happen anyway

i thought about it, but i think because it has limited use its fine.... plus having a mod item doesn't make you a mod in any way, in fact it can be used wisely or get in in a lot of trouble, eventually its up to you. Now that i think of it maybe that many uses is too much? I don't know... I asked chew to review my auctioned items too, if he has nothing against it , and a good reason for 'why not' , i don't intend to change this auction. I think its a fun, risky, type of experiment. ps. i BET i will be absolutely abused with this item once released :))

(last one in this 'series') an other functional tool, oh wait, not one, but three! again, sold only as a pack, however don't get overexcited yet, for this one i am accepting only Top spender tickets. I have no idea what the equivalent in gold is for a ticket, or if anyone sells them, but if not, this auction is a good start. Mouth Sewing Kit (mod tool, 58 uses left) Independent Woodcutter's Axe (harvest branches, independed tool, Loreroot origin) - note to self, check settings Water Bucket (independed tool) - note to self, check settings Independent tools don't vanish from your inventory on shared item reset, they remain yours, and are your property to trade and do whatever. Settings might slightly differ from the shared item version Auction ends ..one day,...some day, but not to far, when it becomes inactive for a couple of days. I will wait enough so you can trade the tickets, make their coin equivalent and so on. You can also bid without having the tickets yet, but specify in how many days you will have them, assuming you know when you will trade for them Note: i am not releasing new spender tickets in this period (idk what chew does, or if its automated already), so the shop is not a solution to get tickets right now, you will have to trade because the weird currency i am asking does not have a clear coin equivalent as far as i am aware of, i reserve the right to close the auction without a winner if i consider the offer to low. Enjoy, good luck bidding!

an other set of items, again i need _only_ gold, coins or notes the auction is for the entire package, not considering any offer for individual items of this package Decorated skull Angien cufflinks Marble Chessboard Mosaic Skull Blurry Shard of Glass Jar of fly wings Green stone all are common items (i don't remember if some are from the extinct set or not), sold as they are. auction will end when it becomes inactive for too long, or sooner if i have the time or need the gold faster.

Here is a nice package of themed items, the auction is again only for gold coins/notes, and is for the entire package only, not for idividual items in the pack Muratus's Bottled emotions Muratus's engraved ring Muratus's autograph Drop of blood (might be mine's might be not, depends who gets it and for how much the auction will be) Acousticremains stone (1 use) Toxic Concoctions Book (usable cauldron instructions set, however to be considered non functional. i never got to set it up properly, but still a nice rp item, Necrovion origin) Never forget bracelet no fixed deadline for the auction, will end when it gets inactive

apparently i ran out of gold, so i will put up some auctions till i 'refill' my quest sponsoring budget  auction item: Imperial Arcane Card Deck (functional item)  accepting only gold coins or notes  auction deadline: undefined, i will pop up one day and pick the highest bid, might be in a day or two or in a month, idk, probably sooner  p.s. don't overbid just because its "my item", has nothing out of ordinary to it except what it already does. checkout the other 3 auctions too

if needed or you want, i can sponsor the main rewards (supplement them as needed with the same type of reward) in case it happens someone wins the big prize twice

can't wait to see the results of this :D :D

please put on youtube or fp vis so i can share it on md fb page..thanks (or somebody tell me how i put mp3 to fb :))

witty ..please put it in such way so i can share it on md fb page please :) thanks Awesome everyone :D would be so nice to see the others sing it too not just the lyrics, thats the most fun part!!!

I will double any sponsorship on this quest, have fun!

Amazing work ! Thank you so much make a wise choice when picking your reward :D

thank you thank you :)

this is so cool way of saying so muchexplaining this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNaEBbFbvcY "events" that have no when, awesome, must see for me it is the information i needed...it means "question your reality once you cross through a gate" also related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msVuCEs8Ydo

i thought to post it here too :D [attachment=4732:12140663_10206846748158745_4370462127095362032_n.jpg] now its obvious i am not changing alliances or lands ever :))