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In the rules thread, I brought this up: To me, the reason for the rule appears to be not to allow someone who knows they are doing wrong, to get away with doing so just because they asked an LHO who gave incorrect advice. Basically to avoid LHOs being scapegoats. Let me know if I'm wrong there or what you think. However, to me that isn't a good enough justification for how the rule is laid out, and it is circular. I've said this before but I can't find the old thread anymore. To me, an LHO is supposed to be an authority on information about MD, and if they don't know something well enough they should say so. The role shouldn't be taken as frivolous, anyone can help players but an LHO has a special place (or maybe I just give LHOs way too much credit?). If they are giving wrong advice, why should the player who received that advice be punished automatically? It makes more sense to me to be the other way around. Thoughts? Z

Currently the links reset to be useable every 24 hours from the last time you used them. This is detrimental to the concept of getting everyone to vote daily - They may not always be online at the same time, and even if you kept a regimented watch, eventually a day will get missed. My suggestion is that the links reset at 00:00 ST each day so that people can vote everyday without fail should they choose to. Z

Happy Bifday Z

Thanks guys. Orvid I will keep in reserve just in case, appreciate that Bored. Sunfire and DD I will be in touch. Z

On day 1 I shall be unveiling the mighty Questopolis! *angels sing* This is a quest that will test your wits, your collaboration, your investigative skills and most of all...your patience. You don't sign up, you don't compete, and most of all, you don't leave a bro or broette behind. We don't compete??? but Z! what do we do!? We have to be treading on each others' heads for it to be a quest!!! How can we win!! SILENCE! Infidels. All will be revealed in due time. Until then...I need two volunteers. The quest will run in the following time sections of the day: 14:00 - 15:30pm ST 17:00 - 19:30pm ST 22:00 - 23:00pm ST I need two volunteers who will be available on the blue times on 14/4/15. You can still take part, but not in that section of the quest. You need to be comfortable with roleplaying - and ideally you need to be good at it. You also need to have no liaison with the eel of sanity what-so-ever. I need to be able to discuss things with you about this quest so if you're never around when I am it's not the best plan to volunteer, but I won't hold it against you, we can try. Please post if you can help. Thanks. Z Ps: For reference: -Sasha will cast the MD Birthday achievement on you as a helper or player.

Rhyme off During day 1 I will be holding a rhyme off in the gazeebo of sound all day. Its a bit like a rap battle, only without the swearing and racism... The goal - to defeat your opponent in a battle of wits whereby your verbal skills make them look like a chump. Some rounds will just be for fun, and then there will be reward rounds where you have to battle up a pyramid to win. -EG A +B compete, B wins, C + D compete D wins, then B and D compete. The rhyme off champion will win a special reward, and that person will be decided once the day ends. Z

Happy Bifday Z

Mine reverted back to only the one I currently have after the duplicate same tag thing that happened. Z

Change, Blut, Nim - Done New items & temporal shift done. Z

Phan - done Temporal items shifted. Z

happy bifday Z

Bored - done New Item added to list: Blood stained veil Z

Change - done New items added to list: Dried Sauce & Coal Nuggets Z

Alrighty, its yours, come get it when youre about. New item added to list- Creepy Doll. Z

As many of you are aware...and regularly remind me...the alliance Defenders of Bob lacks an icon. So following some artistic interest in game, my own laziness, and your collaborative pestering over the years... I thought I'd up the ante. Bare in mind this doesn't mean the icon will be used, but I have faith your awesome skills may well mean one will be. Quest Task: Create an alliance icon for the Defenders of Bob. Details: The icon must be complete. That means it has to be to the relevant specifications required to immediately be uploaded without need of any editing by higher powers. 140x140px, .gif, in or around 3kb It must be a hand-drawn original. It must fit with the other icons - so it needs to be in colour. Be innovative & make it fit what DoB and EH is about. Give a brief bit of blurb with the picture, to explain why you designed it how you did. Remember that the icon gets viewed as really small next to someone's name in chat as well as the bigger version, so when you upload the picture, please upload both sizes for us to look at. You can collaborate - this means if one of you is an artist and the other a techie, one can draw and the other can do the digital manipulation. Or for example, one is an ideas person and the other is a skills person. No more than 2 people can collaborate. You can create more than one design if you want to. By submitting your image to this quest you agree you allow the image to become property of MagicDuel if the higher powers consider it good enough to use as an official icon for the Defenders of Bob alliance. Reward: Potential to have your art as part of the game infrastructure - no guarantees there, but its a cool possibility. A wishpoint to the winner. If two of you did it together, you each get a wishpoint. A gold coin for second place, if two of you did it together, you each get a gold coin. 5 silver coins for third place, if two of you did it together, you each get 5 silver coins. Judging: The DoB will be asked & some random picks. Public repping will also come in to it. Fit to requirements How well did you achieve your aim Bobness How well did you consider the smaller version of the icon If you want to ask me any questions, either post here or send me a PM. I'm not putting a time limit up for the moment because it is a bit involved, but at some point I will post again and give you a weeks warning before I close the quest. Z

Sasha - done Eagle Eye - done Nim - sorry, not an auction more like a shop. First who asks gets it for the listed price. Dog Antler is 4sc if you want it. Z

Re 1st problem: I was under the impression that functionality was not the aim of the game with this, but would be added if fitting or if WP requested and odd? Plus, the 'right now' shouldn't be a stopper. Buckets etc were made way before their functionality was considered by most people. Re 2nd problem: Personally, I like the idea that some second level items will take only a few things, some medium level and then I would expect some to require a large amount depending what its for and if it makes sense. Could even be levels within levels. So for example make the herb fertiliser and then herb fertiliser as an item could be a base item used in one or more other 3rd level combos. Z

per Sunfire - start of slider is not 0% it is not a number. Have tested moving to 0% - this works. Z

Ive deleted all my rits, and chose random - when I do so and put my slider to 0, I get this "illegal action reported, keeping on this path will get you banned. #vitrng" Z

Teeth - 3sc Z

happy bifday Z

First it was "LOL?" now it's I'm blind. Wonderful. Well Ary... I fail to see how you remain blind yo your own logical fallacies - but failure to see each other's perspectives is hardly relevant to point out, its pretty obvious. Or rather, in my case, I see your perspective, I just don't agree with it. Buying something with ill intent does not make the purchase illegal. You can go on about intent all you want, but it doesn't inherently make something illegal. The whole point of Money Laundering is that the goods are illegal, its not that the goods are being moved around, its the fact they are illegal that makes it a problem. It's precisely the' where they have come from' that defines laundering - as in "washing dirty money". It isn't a matter of linguistics it's a matter of factual definition. You're using a term that emotively will activate certain responses to back yourself up, and due to the severity of the suggestion you're making, I'm afraid I'm not going to let it slide. It's sheer inaccuracy. You are still arguing against alts in general, because now you are arguing that items acquired on alts are ill-gotten, thereby making any alt related purchase or trade 'illegal'. Underline, capitalise, embolden or use italics to highlight your point all you want but unfortunately it isn't that I don't understand what you are saying, it's that I don't agree with it, so it makes little difference. I go back to what I just said - if you have such an issue with it, stop arguing with me. I've already said I don't care either way what happens whether I agree or not, it's not a big issue for me - so stop arguing arbitrary points and start coming up with a solution. Z

Once again..for the people in the cheap seats...the definition of money laundering has to do with ill-gotten goods. Not transfers, otherwise banks would be money launderers. The situation in itself is NOT laundering. If you define the original good as ill-gotten, then it becomes laundering. If they were acquired via reputable means, it isn't. So unless you are telling me that A2 got his X via some dodgy system of theft or bribery already, then can we please stop calling a monkey a fish? Or are we saying that anything acquired on an alt is ill-gotten? That makes little sense to me and is only pointing me to the conclusion I'm making that actually the argument is 'no to alts'. I say not a big issue because I don't see how this is an 'easy' thing to do as a profitable continuous mechanism. You'd have to have two people working together to get the same items to funnel to the main over and over again. There are over 700 items, with 8 per shuffle, and they aren't a different set on every shuffle. Only in the case that there is a large player base with high fund input, or where the number of items reaches X amount of mass does this begin to be a viable system of fraudulent behavior. Every available item isn't even in the game yet, that's how low the probability factoring currently stands, not for small one offs, but for a general system that is an actual problem. DD...your solution works if you couple it with a ban on the mechanism being discussed as it increases probabilities to a level of concern so its a possible work around I recon, though I still really don't see what the huge issue is right now. If some of you feel this is a major concern, come up with a solution. Z

I agree with you Ary, the "common sense" rule frequently over-rides legislation - but not always. It depends on the person judging, and I wouldn't like to assume what any individual might say. In terms of Money Laundering...again you are using the word 'dirty' as if the item was ill-acquired...but it wasn't. It was acquired quite reasonably. It isn't laundering. It also isn't against the stipulated rules. Rhaegar - Yes free-credits have a value. Yes potentially they have the capacity to add players, and that has the capacity to add funds....but this is a much slower process, and one set in probabilities. It is not fair in my eyes to see it the same was as someone who pumps money in to the game directly. That's how I see it at the present time anyway. There are clear cases when using this system will be abuse. For example: A1 is building a wall. It needs 3 bricks. B has a brick. A2 has a brick in their shop, they buy it and funnel it. To be fair to Sasha though, I have always thought she does have a point regarding this, not in every circumstance, but in some. The alt may still be funding MD, is it so relevant that shuffling didn't occur when trade could be done with no fund placed? There is an argument to be had one way or the other, and I go back to what I said, the true argument here is some people feel there should be no alts. Generally if using the alt to orchestrate a build via the main, that's what I see as a possible abuse of any consequence in the current state of the system and its governance. I also think time and mass have a big impact on what is and isn't abuse here and its way too hard to define the situation so simply (hence my comment re ease of acquisition). If someone considers there has been an abuse, and it involves something like this, then it would need to be taken on an individual basis. Z

Whilst you think this is "common sense", I don't, at all. In fact I find the whole thing completely ridiculous if I'm honest. To me the flaws are patently obvious. To me, your version of "common sense" is insanity caused by group hysteria. That's not me being offensive, that's just my personal opinion, not on you, but on the topic. When someone is abusing something, it is clear. It is, as you say, something we all see based on "common sense". This, I'm afraid, is not one of those times in my eyes. Not with the current stipulations that have been made. Currently, proponents are arguing that there should be no alts, without realising it. I'm totally open to a view that changes my opinion also for the record - dst made a very fair point about free credits for example, and discussions about how easy multiple item acquisition is may well help change my opinion. One example: A1 gives B a Morph in 2009. B gives A2 a different Morph in 2015. Clearly not abuse to my "common sense", but to some of you, it is. Yes this is an extreme example, but that seems to be one of the only ways to get the point across right now. Z