Metal Bunny

Let me conclude what I think this is all about, for now. Please, feel free to correct me if I am wrong. The HC, A non-public venture, was made with the intention of governing territory. However, that territory is impossible to be laid claim upon by the HC, for now, because it was not instated by Mur(like K or Yrth/Grido), nor [i]did it have[/i] any known public mandate. That is, people unaffiliated with your alliance, but affiliated with the land. That is because all your constituents were in the alliance itself. So while the HC may have been democratically chosen and it represents its own party and people, it does not encompass every potential inhabitant. It's like a 1-partei system, really. Besides that, the HC has, in my eyes, garnered a great amount of suspicion, by [i]not publicly advertising[/i] that you had the intention of getting votes for the election. I am not saying you are hiding something, I am saying that normal elections campaign for a reason. It [i]looks[/i] like the HC was, perhaps not actively, nor even with deliberate thought on everyone, trying to keep the election amongst friends and people who would almost assuredly vote for the ones with equal setting of mind. Trying to keep constituents away (while I am not accusing you of this, nor implying you did this on purpose) does not create a democracy. One major mistake the HC did however, was that the HC did not just let potential lorerootians, who were not in the alliances, know there was an election going on, that could decide the fate of the land itself, thereby creating a false mandate for themselves. No, the HC made a bigger mistake. The HC did not let the entire realm know that there was an election going on. Imagine if you will, you live in any nation, doesn't matter where. Then all of a sudden, a team of researchers on Antartica, declares that they have democratically chosen to rule Antartica. I, at home, watching the news, will think that that must be the biggest load of cr*p I have ever heard off. I would think that, since I never heard about that before, they must be crazies. They didn't let the world know of their intention. They did not garner support from other nations. They, in my eyes, are not backed by [i][b]independent organizations[/b][/i] who can assure fair elections. They are not backed by friendly nations, because the territory, Antartica, is not seen as an independent nation. Nor do the scientists, because of the disputed election itself, have any plausible mandate of any people, besides themselves to even claim the land as their own. It is public territory. Besides that, I would think, I would love to get my hands on the narcotics the researchers must have found in Antartica. Would be one hell of a trip, no? Now, you may argue that this may go for the nations we live in right now. That is wrong. Nations such as America, or European nations, have democratic elections, all fair with a fair and sizeable amount of unique and distinguishable voters. The people's rights, come from the Constitution. Every democracy has one, where is yours? Now you may argue it is totally different for Necrovion and GG, compared to the real world, and that in fact you, as lorerootians, hold a completely different case as well. Sadly enough, I (though this is quite debateable, I agree) disagree with this again. In the past, people who cut off the most heads and were able to unite tribes, could create a tiny nation. As these nations grew, leaders would lay their mandate on the grounds of royalty and divinity. This is the case for GG and Necro. Royalty for Peace. Divinity for GG and Khalazdad. By not letting the entire realm know there were elections, you made yourselves look very, very unprofessional. And unbelievable as well. I got some things you might want to use to try and improve things though. 1: And this is what you have been doing, although not quite good enough IMHO, let the realm know what you are doing. And don't give me any excuses of 'this forum was open for public', no. That is not good enough. You have to, purposefully and publicly, here on this forum, or in the realm itself, let the people, all of them, know of your intentions. 2: Get the Archies to count your votes. 3: Let your claim upon the territory be backed by either the people, or divinity, best would be both. In this case Mur actually says that the HC, not the people in them, but the HC, holds a claim to rule loreroot, like Peace does for Necro. Besides that, the people have to be, publicly, be of the opinion that the HC does indeed, deserve that role. My opinion. Flame me, blablabla me, whatever, you get the point no?

Yeah but we all know the current score is at [color="purple"]*crackle* we interupt this stream to give you an important message..... *crackle*[/color] for me now, lol

No they're not Give me at least double of what Grido has and I'll be satisfied

Yes, but you people are testing, so it's not really fair to keep on changing the values

Dude, right now, 16-8, IN YOUR FACE XD Thank you all who voted for me

That's not the point. I am asking if I were to say that loreroot was my homeland, when would I be allowed to vote by Mya celestia or Gremlin?

[quote name='Tarquinus' post='31949' date='May 22 2009, 05:53 AM']Yes, and yes. Incorrect. Those unaffiliated with alliances may vote, provided they express their intent to vote to one of the Censors (Gremlin or Mya Celestia). Those of other [b]homelands[/b] are asked to refrain from voting. That such a thing could be assured seems unlikely. It seems possible someone could get an invitation into the alliances during an election period; there is no express prohibition against such a thing.[/quote] That is a bit clarifying, thank you, but I have a couple of questions that continue on this. On what grounds do Gremlin or Mya Celestia decide who is allowed to vote? What are the criteria? And you say there is no express prohibition against such a thing, but I read a pm somewhere in this topic where it is said that it is very unlikely for someone to get recruited during election time. Is it unlikely, but still possible? For a random person that is, not a good friend who stepped out to gain honor or lose xp or the like, and now wishes to, obviously, return.

Someone please answer me this. The purpose of the HC is, in direct or indirect manner of way, in their best perceived interest of Loreroot, the land. Correct? And the HC exists only out of members from the loreroot alliances/guilds. Correct? And only alliance members may vote, correct? And during election time, absolutely no one (random MD player) could/can get an invitation into the alliances, correct?

Yay, happy b-day, may your days be filled with alcohol-induced headaches as you wake up next to a beautiful girl in bed whose adam's appel had been cleverly disguised with a scarf. Not talking from my own experience btw. Mine are more like alcohol-induced toilet visits.

Interestingly enough, there are other forums (like from the webcomic leasticoulddo.com) who have an almost identical layout compared to this one. I got a message from the same nurguzik who messaged all, to try and get as many people clicking his link. So... It's not just MD It's the world-ish...

This is quite serious, you should pm all the details and info to an admin.

And you are certain that you have not given anybody your password?

Out from the howling wind came a striking force so cold A Serrated blade whose icy edges rips and tears With a speed so fearsome but no image to behold Blindly it slices when through the roaring sky it sears Then again, the lines are interchangeable, lol. So, this could be done as well. Out from the howling wind came a striking force so cold With a speed so fearsome but no image to behold A Serrated blade whose icy edges rips and tears Blindly it slices when through the roaring sky it sears It's for my own spelldoc, Lightning lvl 3 *edit* Funny facts, took me about 6-7 minutes and it has 13 thingies, I dunno what you call them in english, lol. It's 13, cuz I wanted it to be fearsome and unlucky

Get life? It's serious, I can't stop saying lol. I have it under control for now, no thanks to Grido's 'attempts' ¬_¬ But the one who gets the solution will be lolled with a wishpoint you know. I need help T_T

I seem to have incurred a horrible disease! I will tell you the tale of this horrible affliction that occurred to me. I was just walking busy doing lol when all of a sudden I noticed that my speech had started to change. I suddenly replaced random words for lol and I could not control myself. Before I lol’d it, I was lolling all over the place! While I myself often and sometimes even in an obscene amount use the word lol, I know realize that this lol just went too far. I am beginning to see that if this lol continues to grow worse and worse, I won’t be able to properly lol with other people anymore. This lol saddens my heart. And the worst lol is probably that I myself am losing control. The non-random lols that I choose to say are becoming lolless now and I cannot lol that to happen! Oh and there have been lols that this may be somewhat contagious and lol, so if you are going to research for the lol, do so at your own lol. I invite all of you lols to come up with a solution! The first to come with a plausible lol will receive a lolpoint from me. Be warned though, I think that this lol is very tough indeed and that the cure may need a lot of lol. So all of you who, after the first solution has been made, really help me beat the lol, will receive my inner lol document. If I see you lol a lot of other people to lol me with this, then I may be lol enough to even give lolpoints. If the cure has some lol-ish side-effect and they are tough to solve, then all those who help further, may also receive a lolpoint or inner magic lol. Hurry! I lol that there is not a lot of lol left! I can just lol that I am nearing the lol of lollol! o_O Did I just say lollol!?

You download the new toolbar and install it. Suddenly you realize; now you can die happy.

Anyone notice how he says he edits his posts 5 times, while there isn't a notice that says at what time IaB last editted? And yes, we need something to commemorate the ones who did a great thing or things. That brings to mind 2 things: What is great enough? Who decides?

Not saccing creatures.. but with buying. Lol regeneration +0.48 energeticimmun +0.432 tradesense +0.432 defence +271.33 briskness +0.24 attack +803.757 power +0.12

For those still wondering, I translated the emails. And yeah, it took some time but I had stuff to do at school. _____________________________________________ From: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM To: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM Subject: Gestolen artwork op MagicDuel Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:31:04 +0200 Hey 'Metal Bunny', [i]you understand, right?[/i] Sorry dat ik jou hier over mail, maar ik kan niet op het forum van MagicDuel posten voordat ik me heb aangemeld, en daar had ik niet heel veel zin in. ;-) [i]Sorry that I am mailing you about this, but I can't post on the MD forum before I have signed up, and I didn't really feel like it[/i] Ik kreeg een melding van iemand via Elfwood dat ene Fenrir Greycloth mogelijk artwork van mij had gestolen. Om precies te zijn deze plaat: [url="http://www.elfwood.com/~rachelkremer/Druid...ch.3140297.html"]http://www.elfwood.com/~rachelkremer/Druid...ch.3140297.html[/url] [i]I got a report from someone via Elfwood that a Fenrir Greycloth possibly had stolen artwork from me. To be precise: enter link.[/i] Ik heb MagicDuel zelf gekeken maar kon het eigenlijk niet terugvinden. Of is het onderhand al verwijderd? Maar goed, ik wil wel even bevestigen dat dit mijn werk is. Ik wil de persoon in kwestie er ook nog wel graag op aan spreken, maar dan moet ik wel weten waar het precies staat. Heb jij een link waar 'zijn' zogenaamde werk te vinden is? Zijn mailadres heb ik wel al namelijk. [i]I have seen MD for myself, but I couldn't find it. Has it been removed by now? Anyway, I would like to confirm that it is my work. I want to address the person in question as well, but then I need to know where it is located exactly. Do you have a link where I could find 'his' so called work? Because I already have his email.[/i] Alvast bedankt! (thanks in advance) Groeten, (sez hi) Rachel --- Rachel Kremer [url="http://www.rachelkremer.nl"]http://www.rachelkremer.nl[/url] _____________________________________________ From: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM To: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM Subject: RE: Gestolen artwork op MagicDuel Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:17:16 +0000 (to lazy to translate my own email. Short version is that I say that it is indeed hard to find stuff if you haven't signed up. Then I try to comfort her that we under no circumstance tolerate theft/plagiarism, etc. I then give a quick creative point of view of the game and how people like Fenrir could benefit from adding their creative works or ideas. I then say that why it is hard to find the avatar, but that we will find out if found guilty. To be sure that he is guilty, I asked for a scan of it, that sort of proves it, either by being personal or by being ridiculously high-res. Go figure. I say that internet copyright is sometimes hard and slow to prove and that the scan would speed things up. I then thank her again for her cooperation and end with asking for her permission to post the email.) Hey Rachel Noem mij maar gerust Michael als dat fijner is. Metal Bunny mag ook. Ja het is inderdaad een beetje moeilijk om de dingen te vinden als je geen lid bent van het forum of van het spel zelf. Maar wees gerust, wij willen hetzelfde als jij. Onder geen enkele omstandigheden tolereren wij diefstal, plagiaat en/of dergelijke. Het spel is aardig uniek (niet een verkooppraatje blum.gif), het geeft de mensen de mogelijkheid hun eigen creative ideeën toe te voegen. De speler met de alias "Fenrir Greycloth" heeft verscheidene tekeningen toegevoegd aan het spel, daaronder ook jouw creative kunstwerken. Deze tekeningen worden verkocht in het spel zelf en dan toegevoegd aan een unieke speler. Aangezien wij niet weten welke speler het is die het gekocht heeft (maar daar kunnen wij wel achter komen) weten we niet precies waar we jouw werk kunnen vinden. Maar, we houden wel bij wie wat heeft gemaakt en wanneer, precies om dit soort dingen te voorkomen. Nu wij weten dat tenmiste een artwork zeker weten niet van hem is, kunnen we verdere sancties op hem leggen. Te beginnen met het verwijderen van al jouw werk op de site, alsmede enige beloning die hij daarvoor heeft gekregen. Echter, dit kan lang gaan duren aangezien internet copyright moeilijk te bewijzen is. We vragen daarom om een scan van die tekening te maken en daarbij iets persoonlijks te doen, waarbij het duidelijk is dat het originele artwork ook materieel van jouw is. Dit is natuurlijk niet nodig en we begrijpen het als je dit niet kan doen, vanwege commisiewerk of gebrek aan materiaal of dergelijke. Begrijp me niet verkeerd, hij is overduidelijk schuldig in onze ogen, het bewijs materiaal komt echter maar langzaam op gang. Ik wil graag eindigen met een dankjewel en vraag om toestemming om jouw e-mail te mogen plaatsen op het forum voor grotere verheldering voor de andere leden. Het spijt ons ten zeerste dat er een dief is ons spel die het verziekt door jouw werk te stelen en gebruiken. Graag horen wij van u, Michael Tai, "Metal Bunny" Moderator Magicduel.com _____________________________________________ From: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM Sent: Sun 5/10/09 9:03 PM To: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM 1 attachment 2D-druid.jpg (2.3 MB) Hoi Michael, (durr..) Ik wist alleen je username van het forum, vandaar! Bij deze Michael dan! Je mag van mij de e-mail overigens wel plaatsen ter ondersteuning, geen probleem. Interessant concept trouwens, MagicDuel, een wereld creëren met user-based content, erg gaaf als het ook daadwerkelijk werkt in praktijk. :-) [i]I only knew your username of the forum. (she starts calling me michael after I gave her my name in the last email.) You have my permission to post the email for support, no problem. Nice concept btw, MD, creating a world with user-based content, very cool if it actually works.[/i] Als 'bewijs' dat het daadwerkelijk mijn werk is heb ik een scan van het origineel bijgeleverd. Dit is van vele malen hogere kwaliteit dan dat Fenrir Greycloth kan hebben of aanleveren in zijn verdediging, dit lijkt mij bewijs genoeg. Het is voor mij maar een oude schets en ik voel er weinig voor om allerlei oude archiefmappen te ontstoffen om die schets weer tevoorschijn te toveren. Ik heb er overigens geen problemen mee dat deze schets gebruikt wordt op MagicDuel, als dan mijn naam maar ergens vermeld wordt. Ik vind het wel leuk om bij te dragen aan een dergelijk creatief project. [i]As 'proof' that it is indeed my work I added a scan of the original. This is many times the quality than Fenrir could present in his defense, this seems evidence enough for me. It's an old sketch and I don't feel very motivated to dust off the old archivemaps and find the sketch again. Btw, I have no problem if this sketch is being used for MD, as long as my name is published somewhere. I think it's fun to contribute to such a creative project.[/i] Sterkte met het afhandelen van dit probleem en laat me maar weten hoe het afloopt! [i]good luck with handling this problem and let me know how it ends![/i] Groeten,(sez hi) Rachel --- Rachel Kremer [url="http://www.rachelkremer.nl"]http://www.rachelkremer.nl[/url] _____________________________________________

Not just the states, Netherlands and China as well.. Our date is more universal, haha, brits ftl!

Uh, well, I guess you can't really zoom in on the druid, but trust me, with the original .jpg file you can zoom in a lot and actually see almost every single handstroke and detail. If you want, I could send the file via e-mail, to whomever wants it.

Behold, final proof. I have the permission of Rachel to post the e-mails and to boot, she gave me a very high res scan of the picture in question. Fenrir would be incapable of giving such a high res picture. Below are the e-mails, but be warned, they are in dutch. I could translate them tomorrow, but, I am tired and if someone hasn't done it by tomorrow midday, I will, so don't worry _____________________________________________ From: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM To: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM Subject: Gestolen artwork op MagicDuel Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:31:04 +0200 Hey 'Metal Bunny', Sorry dat ik jou hier over mail, maar ik kan niet op het forum van MagicDuel posten voordat ik me heb aangemeld, en daar had ik niet heel veel zin in. ;-) Ik kreeg een melding van iemand via Elfwood dat ene Fenrir Greycloth mogelijk artwork van mij had gestolen. Om precies te zijn deze plaat: [url="http://www.elfwood.com/~rachelkremer/Druid_sketch.3140297.html"]http://www.elfwood.com/~rachelkremer/Druid...ch.3140297.html[/url] Ik heb MagicDuel zelf gekeken maar kon het eigenlijk niet terugvinden. Of is het onderhand al verwijderd? Maar goed, ik wil wel even bevestigen dat dit mijn werk is. Ik wil de persoon in kwestie er ook nog wel graag op aan spreken, maar dan moet ik wel weten waar het precies staat. Heb jij een link waar 'zijn' zogenaamde werk te vinden is? Zijn mailadres heb ik wel al namelijk. Alvast bedankt! Groeten, Rachel --- Rachel Kremer [url="http://www.rachelkremer.nl"]http://www.rachelkremer.nl[/url] _____________________________________________ From: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM To: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM Subject: RE: Gestolen artwork op MagicDuel Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:17:16 +0000 Hey Rachel Noem mij maar gerust Michael als dat fijner is. Metal Bunny mag ook. Ja het is inderdaad een beetje moeilijk om de dingen te vinden als je geen lid bent van het forum of van het spel zelf. Maar wees gerust, wij willen hetzelfde als jij. Onder geen enkele omstandigheden tolereren wij diefstal, plagiaat en/of dergelijke. Het spel is aardig uniek (niet een verkooppraatje ), het geeft de mensen de mogelijkheid hun eigen creative ideeën toe te voegen. De speler met de alias "Fenrir Greycloth" heeft verscheidene tekeningen toegevoegd aan het spel, daaronder ook jouw creative kunstwerken. Deze tekeningen worden verkocht in het spel zelf en dan toegevoegd aan een unieke speler. Aangezien wij niet weten welke speler het is die het gekocht heeft (maar daar kunnen wij wel achter komen) weten we niet precies waar we jouw werk kunnen vinden. Maar, we houden wel bij wie wat heeft gemaakt en wanneer, precies om dit soort dingen te voorkomen. Nu wij weten dat tenmiste een artwork zeker weten niet van hem is, kunnen we verdere sancties op hem leggen. Te beginnen met het verwijderen van al jouw werk op de site, alsmede enige beloning die hij daarvoor heeft gekregen. Echter, dit kan lang gaan duren aangezien internet copyright moeilijk te bewijzen is. We vragen daarom om een scan van die tekening te maken en daarbij iets persoonlijks te doen, waarbij het duidelijk is dat het originele artwork ook materieel van jouw is. Dit is natuurlijk niet nodig en we begrijpen het als je dit niet kan doen, vanwege commisiewerk of gebrek aan materiaal of dergelijke. Begrijp me niet verkeerd, hij is overduidelijk schuldig in onze ogen, het bewijs materiaal komt echter maar langzaam op gang. Ik wil graag eindigen met een dankjewel en vraag om toestemming om jouw e-mail te mogen plaatsen op het forum voor grotere verheldering voor de andere leden. Het spijt ons ten zeerste dat er een dief is ons spel die het verziekt door jouw werk te stelen en gebruiken. Graag horen wij van u, Michael Tai, "Metal Bunny" Moderator Magicduel.com _____________________________________________ From: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM Sent: Sun 5/10/09 9:03 PM To: *REMOVED SEE BOTTOM 1 attachment 2D-druid.jpg (2.3 MB) Hoi Michael, Ik wist alleen je username van het forum, vandaar! Bij deze Michael dan! Je mag van mij de e-mail overigens wel plaatsen ter ondersteuning, geen probleem. Interessant concept trouwens, MagicDuel, een wereld creëren met user-based content, erg gaaf als het ook daadwerkelijk werkt in praktijk. :-) Als 'bewijs' dat het daadwerkelijk mijn werk is heb ik een scan van het origineel bijgeleverd. Dit is van vele malen hogere kwaliteit dan dat Fenrir Greycloth kan hebben of aanleveren in zijn verdediging, dit lijkt mij bewijs genoeg. Het is voor mij maar een oude schets en ik voel er weinig voor om allerlei oude archiefmappen te ontstoffen om die schets weer tevoorschijn te toveren. Ik heb er overigens geen problemen mee dat deze schets gebruikt wordt op MagicDuel, als dan mijn naam maar ergens vermeld wordt. Ik vind het wel leuk om bij te dragen aan een dergelijk creatief project. Sterkte met het afhandelen van dit probleem en laat me maar weten hoe het afloopt! Groeten, Rachel --- Rachel Kremer [url="http://www.rachelkremer.nl"]http://www.rachelkremer.nl[/url] _____________________________________________ Btw, I said I was a moderator from Magicduel.com, because I had no idea how I would have to profile myself otherwise Hope no one is mad... **edit** Sorry, lol, the .jpg file is 2,3MB and max upload is 2MB. So I had to upload it to photobucket. Behold! [img]http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu358/Ma7ich/2D-druid.jpg[/img] [color="#0000FF"][b]EDIT By Chewett: I removed the emails for spam purposes. Contact MB if you want the email address[/b][/color]

The site where the Druid was originally posted on, by Rachel Kremer, listed it as :Submitted: 2007-02-17 21:30:16 That is well before the first festival.

I just received an email from Rachel Kremer. It all looks authentic to me, she is dutch, 20 years old and creative student. Her own site and stuff on deviantart. I have asked for /definitive proof/ and for /permission to put her e-mail/ in here. In my eyes, Fenrir is now completely guilty, all that we have to wait for is further proof.

Plagiarism can get me kicked out of the university with a really ridiculously bad record on my name, mayhaps barring me a professional career, especially in my chosen career. Because we all know what happened to the economy thanks to people without integrity. He stole... I vote for complete removal of all that he earned, removal of all the avatars as well as stigmata and a long time in prison. Why I think he is guilty; All the drawings have a different style. While usually posting like madman, he is now quiet here. The pictures are linked to actual different artists. The pictures are older than MD, while having been made for MD. While this naturally does not make him guilty, as he is innocent until proven otherwise, it is still very obvious to me. Especially the different styles argument. If you hang around with other artists, you will know that they do EVERYTHING in their own style. Seriously, someone (admin) try and verify if the artists on the links found if they have an account named Fenrir Greycloth and then punish him. If there is no stolen artwork at all, I will apologize, but I highly doubt that.