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[quote name='Kafuuka' post='35125' date='Jun 27 2009, 02:09 PM']drifting oftopic but I strongly oppose the idea that mp level, ritual knowledge and stats have anything to do with roleplay. How many 'protectors of the weak' and other paladinlike characters are there in the game? And how many of them sacrifice defenseless creatures on an altar in order to get better stats?[/quote] I understand, let me elaborate. What I meant with mp level, stats and creatures etc, is to give an indication as to how the structure of the game and the progress made by the player so far in that structure, should at least intuitively affect the actions of others players, /in that aspect it is best represented in/. But if you roleplay an intellectual, a bartender, a weakling or a beggar, then in these aspects, stats and such, should not even come close to becoming a factor. Instead, your own papers, your own believable and probable actions become much more a suitable /intuitive factor/. If you think that virtuous, intellectual, curious or vile villanous players are hard to roleplay, because there is a lack of structure, such as stats for ''fighter-roleplayers'', then you have not fully thought it through yet. There are numerous options, starting with papers, but not just on your own profile, it is the act of taking initiative and posting on the forum, or dare you to be ambitious, posting on the MD-archive. It is the act of continuous friendliness or brutal savagery in the subtleness of context merely conversing with others. To follow your paragorn examples or hold secret resentment (or open if you are a dumb villain) towards those paragorns, is part of structure as well. In what form, you may ask, in RPC or PWR form I say. But small details can also be quite useful. Having very low honor, if you play a villain, will in my eyes, make you more believable. It is finding these subtle things and adapting your own role towards it, as a normal human being would, should he find himself in a new world, that is roleplay. However, a seemingly lack of structure, a lack of boundaries (even though there are many, I mean really, vampires? This game has not yet shown a moon yet, meaning there is a constant sun shining on you. Don't you dare tell me that you are a ''twilight-vampire'' who glitters like a true boy-toy in the sun, instead of bursting into flames like normal vampires, conform to the legends that have existed for decades, if not centuries), can invite exaggerated and quite unbelievable roleplay. I say to you, you're not ever going to get far in this game, as you would never get far in any world if you behaved like that. To get back to the quote on hand, while I did say that some form of structure, like stats, help with more intuitive-based roleplay, I did not say that this is the only form of structure, or only form of roleplay. To roleplay properly, IMO, you should adapt yourself to the world, and not force the world to adapt to you. For adaption to exist, a structure is necessary and even if you think there is a great lack of structure in the game, realize that even structureless, there are untold paradigms and indeed principles that give you a general understanding of it all. Thus nothing is structureless, if it was, you wouldn't be able to play it. So if you want to be a good or even great roleplayer, you still need to learn the ins-and-outs of the game. Find the intricate details in the structure, most suited to your role or actions, and adapt your own role to it.

You put a ~Kawaaiiii~ animated picture as your forum avatar. It's like going topless to the beach and not expect people to stare ''oh so very subtly''

Roleplay is akin to children playing in a playground. We all start as simple children and some of us may decide to play a game, like hide-and-seek, or tag. Others want to play a different game, more complex, like soccer, or cops&thieves. Then there are a few others who play like they have superpowers, or that they are a tyranosaurus rex, hunting prey. At one point, the imagination of children takes over and to make their game more interesting, rules and special roles/circumstances come into play. Next thing you know it, you can T-rex the ball, but only if you were a cop beforehand. The other cops may ninja kick the T-rex, but to do so, is to turn into a thief, unless you have the crown of cool, which can only be granted if you won with a +7 advantage in the previous tournament. (no, not made up) (my childhood was awesome ) With grownups however (though, who is to say they are really grownups ) it's slightly different, because they don't want to mix it all together, they don't want to leave their comfortable zone. To such things I can only say; conform or ignore. It's not hard, it's what kids do. So, I agree with what deathbell said. But, you guys are grownups. So try and at least make it look like it makes sense. Roleplay a werewolf? Okay, but please don't roleplay like you are stronger than every mortal human, when that mortal human is a higher mp level, has higher stats, better understanding of rituals and has better creatures. It's like seeing that dude as a ''lvl 80 commoner'' and you are a ''lvl 1 changeling''. In this game however, it's not fixed into a structure, like; I am lvl 80! No, in this game you need to use several factors and use your instinct and intuition. It feels more natural to me and you should roleplay accordingly. So next time, please don't roleplay as if you can actually eat me. Roleplay that you want to eat me. Then roleplay that you realize only [i]several players[/i] can beat me. Because really, the ''I eatz bunnz, yum yum" thing, is getting annoying.

4:00 server time? T_T

uh dude, I don't know if you know, but santa and nutcracker with max age? makes almost 0 difference.

Everyone is with you! Except us sane people! BWAHAHAAAAAA DIE DOGGY, DIIIEEEE!!! *coughs* sorry, disregard that please. uh... Please change the song?

Oh dude, just take something extremely controversial/taboo, which is bound to offend someone, making him or her flame the topic with posts. Nah it's better to see how long it lasts, better test. Cuz you know, topics can go offtopic quite often.

Good and evil are subjective or objective terms IMO, depending on whether or not you believe in absolute morality or not. If you believe in absolute morality, like the one imposed by deities in multiple faiths and religions, then evil is that which has been lain down by that divine authority to be evil and good is the life that follows the scriptures and teachings. E.g. Christian bad is sinning/worshipping satan. Buddhist good is being peaceful and try and lead a wisend life, full of study and meditation, to alleviate yourself and others of the pain that is life, via nirvana. If you do not believe in absolute morality, but more relatively, then it is simple (IMO) but it does have very complicated consequences. Because if you believe in a relative morality, then you will see the morality you adhere to as the correct one, even good. Those who live by a different standard or ideology may be seen as wrong. They could be evil if your relative morality includes such a thing. But, with relative morality it is a matter of perspective, because the other person (who in this case also adheres to a morality, absolute or not) will follow his or her own ideals. That person will act and do what he or she thinks is correct, is good and if there is a big enough conflict, he or she will see the other person as wrong or even evil. Interestingly enough, this implies that evil can exist solely in one's mind. As to how we came to such a conclusion that these are ways of behaving, it comes forth from norms and values, thousands of years old, coming forth from personal preferences and primal instincts (such as, monkey's like sun, monkey's frown on incest) slowly evolving into laws and scriptures, each influencing a certain group. (egyptians worship sun, the sun is seen as godly good by christians.) Later on, although later on? As early as Plato and LaoZi (legends say 5th cent bc or 4th cent bc for plato and 7th cent or 5th cent bc for laozi) philosophical thought is being written down and passed on enough that it influences us as well. (there were earlier ones, but you know, lost in the ages of time, sorta) Basically a really complex maneuvre of social, religious and philosophical thoughts and movements influenced us.

Well... wow.. I am glad I left early, this broke my mind, again. The way I see it, I am going to start ignoring this pathetic little feud, from both sides, I am certain you will come to a solution, even if it is the 'ignore it, 'till it goes away' solution, but I won't be part of this obvious emotional and childish issue. Unless reason and not EMOTION, NORMAL debate and, oh I don't know, ACTUAL ARGUMENTS FROM BOTH SIDES, comes back to the issue at hand, if it was ever there at all, then I will not be part of it. I almost never use caps, that is for a reason. This is a rare moment, take it in, because this is not an invitation to try and pry information from me on this subject, this is a warning. Don't you dare bother me with this until the childishness has left.

Well, I am cured, I can say lol normally now, without coughing. I like to thank Chrispr, Burns and Ailith and a lot of others too, except their solution didn't really work out that great so they might not get a big reward. So uh.. Lambchops all

Ssssssht... or else the l*ll*yman will get me... >< He hides under my bed and gives me the l*l-disease.

well, i am testing 3 now, one is working quite good, lambchops. Anyway, I think I am really cured when I am going to test myself later on in the weekend. I'll try and say the forbidden L word for a whole day and then see if I am cured.

Yeah, real people like me and wodin

Do Crimson Crew, that way, mutiny stays a viable option . Also, if you were to die in some pirate raid on Loreroot or GG coasts, the crew could continue in a normal fashion, like "You wanna live forever, you buncha apes!?" You know, starship troopers

True, because money is the one thing (disregarding the relative decrease of value over quantity due to natural risk averseness and satiation of humans) that holds a fixed value (disregarding prices and inflation). When I asked in a poll what everyone thought a silver coin was worth in dollars, there were different opinions about it. If silver coins were money, there would be a fixed rate of exchange (imposed by mur (such as the current Chinese Yen)). But since this not (yet) the case, it's not money yet.

Awww... that's no fun... Bunny sad i_i

It will take some time before the new equilibrium is gained though, some people had 500 losses too much and since it can be pretty difficult to get a victory sometimes, it may take a very long time, far far longer than in the past. (where mur would just reset loss and wins and honor to balanced and max ) So, I guess it will be barren like this, for a very long time. I am guessing 2 months or more.

This is just typical mur really, it looks familiar, but when examined up close, the basic fundamentals of it, while familiar in a sense, are positioned so, into new settings and relationships, that at one point, you feel like you had a slurpee to much.. , doesn't mean I don't like it, lol

We have been getting some progress and I have tried many treatments against the disease. And as you can see... I am almost cured. lol There were notable cures, or at least attempts to it, like Grido's or Kragel's... But the ones that worked, unlike intrigue's or cutler's (dude seriously? ) were from Burns and Chrispr. there were some that offered me soup, and I thank you for that, but the disease has spread a lot, although it has died down a bit now. And I think I know why their cure works better than others, lol. You see, I think I was unable to stop saying lol anymore because I associated it with fun, and it was my stopword. I tried to stop saying it, but by then it had already spread to other people. Now, however, I sort of exiled myself to berserker's way and it's working.. However, I think I might feel tempted to use lol again when I go back to the busy scenery. Therefore (2nd round, 2nd chances) the people who give quite awesome stop words, might get rewarded as well. As for the people mentioned above, I won't give them a reward yet, but that doesn't mean they will or will not get any. It's just that, if they give a really cool stopword, it will increase their chances of them getting a reward. Oh and uh.. try and give some really awesome reasons as to why your stopword roxorz everyone's-but-my pantzorz.

Lol Grido, you liar, I am have at least double the amount that you have, Everyone knows that lol

Oh sorry, apologies, I thought the HC wanted to rule all of Loreroot. If they don't, then I don't really see a lot of problems here, except that the HC should put the documents about her creation, in public en plain, and.. IMO it's good for now.

[quote name='pamplemousse' post='32049' date='May 23 2009, 05:47 AM']I vote for Grido! Sorry Foof, you would make a lovely stole or hat, but Grido has that big telescope.[/quote] I haz crown jwlz... T_T

Let me conclude what I think this is all about, for now. Please, feel free to correct me if I am wrong. The HC, A non-public venture, was made with the intention of governing territory. However, that territory is impossible to be laid claim upon by the HC, for now, because it was not instated by Mur(like K or Yrth/Grido), nor [i]did it have[/i] any known public mandate. That is, people unaffiliated with your alliance, but affiliated with the land. That is because all your constituents were in the alliance itself. So while the HC may have been democratically chosen and it represents its own party and people, it does not encompass every potential inhabitant. It's like a 1-partei system, really. Besides that, the HC has, in my eyes, garnered a great amount of suspicion, by [i]not publicly advertising[/i] that you had the intention of getting votes for the election. I am not saying you are hiding something, I am saying that normal elections campaign for a reason. It [i]looks[/i] like the HC was, perhaps not actively, nor even with deliberate thought on everyone, trying to keep the election amongst friends and people who would almost assuredly vote for the ones with equal setting of mind. Trying to keep constituents away (while I am not accusing you of this, nor implying you did this on purpose) does not create a democracy. One major mistake the HC did however, was that the HC did not just let potential lorerootians, who were not in the alliances, know there was an election going on, that could decide the fate of the land itself, thereby creating a false mandate for themselves. No, the HC made a bigger mistake. The HC did not let the entire realm know that there was an election going on. Imagine if you will, you live in any nation, doesn't matter where. Then all of a sudden, a team of researchers on Antartica, declares that they have democratically chosen to rule Antartica. I, at home, watching the news, will think that that must be the biggest load of cr*p I have ever heard off. I would think that, since I never heard about that before, they must be crazies. They didn't let the world know of their intention. They did not garner support from other nations. They, in my eyes, are not backed by [i][b]independent organizations[/b][/i] who can assure fair elections. They are not backed by friendly nations, because the territory, Antartica, is not seen as an independent nation. Nor do the scientists, because of the disputed election itself, have any plausible mandate of any people, besides themselves to even claim the land as their own. It is public territory. Besides that, I would think, I would love to get my hands on the narcotics the researchers must have found in Antartica. Would be one hell of a trip, no? Now, you may argue that this may go for the nations we live in right now. That is wrong. Nations such as America, or European nations, have democratic elections, all fair with a fair and sizeable amount of unique and distinguishable voters. The people's rights, come from the Constitution. Every democracy has one, where is yours? Now you may argue it is totally different for Necrovion and GG, compared to the real world, and that in fact you, as lorerootians, hold a completely different case as well. Sadly enough, I (though this is quite debateable, I agree) disagree with this again. In the past, people who cut off the most heads and were able to unite tribes, could create a tiny nation. As these nations grew, leaders would lay their mandate on the grounds of royalty and divinity. This is the case for GG and Necro. Royalty for Peace. Divinity for GG and Khalazdad. By not letting the entire realm know there were elections, you made yourselves look very, very unprofessional. And unbelievable as well. I got some things you might want to use to try and improve things though. 1: And this is what you have been doing, although not quite good enough IMHO, let the realm know what you are doing. And don't give me any excuses of 'this forum was open for public', no. That is not good enough. You have to, purposefully and publicly, here on this forum, or in the realm itself, let the people, all of them, know of your intentions. 2: Get the Archies to count your votes. 3: Let your claim upon the territory be backed by either the people, or divinity, best would be both. In this case Mur actually says that the HC, not the people in them, but the HC, holds a claim to rule loreroot, like Peace does for Necro. Besides that, the people have to be, publicly, be of the opinion that the HC does indeed, deserve that role. My opinion. Flame me, blablabla me, whatever, you get the point no?

Yeah but we all know the current score is at [color="purple"]*crackle* we interupt this stream to give you an important message..... *crackle*[/color] for me now, lol

No they're not Give me at least double of what Grido has and I'll be satisfied