Metal Bunny

This is such a superb example of why democracy is the worst form of government, except all other that have been tried. The people who voted just read the first few lines of the topic, thought to themselves; waitaminute, a king has the right to exile someone; and then just voted based upon that. At half of the votes do I not see the heavier reasons, of which not the exile itself, but the implications of the exile was but a part of. Such as, bad judgement, bad leadership, inactivity, proliferation of the alliance, inactivity of wodin, paranoia in the sense that he was extremely distrusting of others as well as burning a soul, given to wodin in good trust to him, just to regain his power. Exile was just a tiny part of this. Ugh.. and yes, if you haven't noticed by now, this is me, not conceding defeat.

Lol, happy bday to the both of you

That is so nasty, it's brilliant. You evil, evil man. This is far better than sticking an axe in my head.

[quote name='Lifeline' date='01 October 2009 - 04:50 PM' timestamp='1254408640' post='43413'] i find this whole situation laughable. u want to get rid of a king that in ur point of view hasnt served his land correctly in the near past. then please judge the king on what he did. not just on his own land but compared to all other lands. get an impression of all 4 main lands how they were led and if the person in charge did a good job. make an average and if yrth is way below the performance of all the other dispose him. if he did perform just as good as the leaders of the other lands why replace him then? if u want to replace him then u cant just count on the hatred from the war to take him out u will have to state what u try to accomplish and above all do better than yrth. [/quote] Glad you find it humorous. Take an average of the lands? I will and the result is that, yes, Yrthilian has performed badly, duh, why else are we doing this? Have you even read the reasons why (and not just the burning of K and the ousting of Grido one's, there are more). [quote] and btw there was obviously a traitor in the alliance that invited peace in and made this whole situation happen. and now members of the alliance revolt against yrth because of what he did in response to stealing the alliance? could it not be possible that this was done on purpose? make him loose the alliance, hope he acts on revenge later on, and then bring up that he is not fit to rule to take it urself? i mean no offence with this and have no clue who the traitor is i just speak of this being a possibility. so please dont take it for more, i dont want to offend any gg member here with this. [/quote] Again, it's not just that single action, it is the total of all his bad actions together, and if you still don't get it. It's not just his /bad/ actions, it's also his inactivity. Have you seen how many activity days wodin dropped? I have, and while the total measurement of activity days is not a good and accurate measurement, the /lack/ of activity days is. Wodin is an empty and dead, almost hollow character. And it is not just about Wodin. Yrthilian himself spends an amazing time at his lab, researching. Inside the alliance I felt almost no unity, no kinship with anyone, contrary to when Wodin was in charge. There was a decline after wodin left, yes, but the growth that was to come never fully came. And that was under yrthilian's leadership. Compared to the current growth of Necrovion and how Loreroot recouperated after GG had invaded, I find that yrthilian did an inadequate job. [quote] a king cant be taken down by an election dont u agree? a king is a king he decides who gets which statues and job. if u want another status than the king gave u then u have to revolt. especially when u want to title of king then u have to force it. u need to take the king down. there is no election there is a forcefull revolution. think about this again i guess this makes sense to all parties... [/quote] I had hoped I wouldn't have to explain this, because I assumed it was so simple already. Of course holding a mere vote is not enough to oust someone. You would have to get control over the alliance first and guess what? We do. In fact, the military coup is done already, all this vote is doing, is ending this military coup, as it is legitimizing the coup based upon popularity votes. [quote] a revolution has to be thought through well. it has to be very clear who gets the new king title afterwards. otherwise the land will just be in more chaos. a revolution weakens the land greatly. if the revolution army cant even decide on a king themself then the land is doomed and sooner or later another revolution will take place because the last one was obviously not successful and didnt bring structure into the land. now Metal Bunny says: what is this? doesnt sound planned or thought through at all to me. there is no promised structure after the revoltion and disposing of the king. this can just bring more chaos and hurt the land more if there is so little planning being done. this cant be claimed to be for the good of golemus as a land. such an unplanned revolution or whatever it is now will just weaken the land more and more. GG will loose all its respect if its possible to overthrow the land without a new agenda and just more chaos to wait until finally a new leader is elected. [/quote] You want real concrete plans? I have them, but again, I won't post them here because it's off-topic. It creates chaos and ensures a 3 page long off-topic debate and makes it all chaotic. And you need to ask yourself in what status the land is in now, because it's already chaotic. But the moment GG starts recruiting again, and that will be the moment yrthilian is de-throned or stays on the throne, then order will return. You people are putting all of this waaaaay toooo muuuuch into the real life perspective, but that's not possible! Where is death? How does loyalty go into all of this? What about Mur? This is MagicDuel, stop making quite frankly, useless real life analogies. [quote] isnt it said u get what u already have in MD? how can u simply elect people for kingship then by popularity? u have to proof that u have the potential to be a king. u need to be able to stand up against the tyrant and take his status. u have to fight for it and go through with the revolution and then put urself into that position because it was u who managed to take down the old king. it is what proofed that u as a future king can stand up agaist a possible threat. if u just lean back afterwards and run an election u obviously dont have what it takes to be king. and above all u lagged all preparation u just "beheaded" the old king and left the land in chaos afterwards just waiting for something to happen to bring structure back into it. u have to bring that structure urself and nobody else if u want a strong land. [/quote] Potential for king? I know I do. When wodin left, yrthilian, me and savelfuser ruled together and it worked out fine. Then savelfuser went to loreroot and I decided to advise yrthilian, as I was too busy with RPC and mp6. I am the frigging emperor of bunnies, you want potential? I give you the fact that since yrthilian no longer commands GG, is proof enough that potential is not the real issue here, it's proven conduct of the leader in the past. If you want more potential and plans, then once yrthilian is de-throned, I will make a seperate topic and put it all there. All of these questions are not the real issue. And why will I not make this topic now? [i][u]Because I am not arrogant enough to presume to know what Mur wants or will do.[/u][/i] For all I know, Yrthilian will stay king and then that topic will become useless.

There has been lot's of debating about what a king is and what it should imply. I firmly believe that since this is MagicDuel, the normal definition of king cannot truly imply the definition used in real life. Namely, a single leader, either through military ascendency to power or hereditary, who bases the foundation of it's rule on (usually) either god(s) or the people. Though god(s) are used more often. Mur is the only thing here that comes close to the real life equivalent of 'god(s)', simply because he made it and can do anything with it what he wants. BUT, Mur is different from real life god(s). Because Mur manifests himself clearly and evidently and Mur interacts with the people on a far greater level and from that interaction we know that he can change things, if the people ask for it enough, with adequate reasoning. So, divine mandate is much more akin to either story-related mandate or popularity mandate, which is the same as the people. A king in MagicDuel is either in the form of Khalazdad, a story-related mandate, or in the form of popularity mandate, which applies to Yrthilian. So yes, a vote here is equal to a military coup, simply because his main 'strong' supporters, Grido and me (if you were wondering why we are 'strong', it's because we are RPC's and can influence the game in a 'higher-than-average' way) not only stopped supporting him, but started the coup against him. This also applies because death is also of a different meaning here. As for people asking what will happen next if Yrthilian was indeed to be disposed. While I had already given a quick list of reasons to what I would do, somewhere in this topic, I refrain from doing it here further in detail, because of another post I made here. Namely, that this topic is about the dethroning of Yrthilian only, and it is not supposed to be an immediate 'election' for the rest. I want to do this because it keeps things orderly and on-topic. And it would be a bit chaotic with voting, no? But, you are correct in the sense that people still need to hold a more concrete alternative, which is why I came forward. If there is no one better or more suited to the task of leading GG, then I will take it. If there is someone else more suited or popular, then I will gladly advise him/her. But let this be clear, I will not replace one king with another, a new and improved democratic or meritocratic system is to be set in place to prevent one sided rulings which go against the main perceived and potential prosperity of GG.

Inside a monarchy, a king supposedly holds all the power. That's what he thinks and if he claims divine mandate, that is what the majority of the people thinks. But that is so very wrong. The balance of power is just that, it needs a counterweight. History speaks unkindly about kings and emperors who treat their counterweights, such as the people or skilled and trusted advisors, in equal unkindness. Just ask Nero and his successor (not counting the couple of temporary ones, I'm talking about Vespasianus). A system could be created to brainwash a people in its entirety so greatly, indeed that they would fall victim more easily to a big lie than a small one, that inside the system, the supreme ruler would go on unquestioned and it's victims ridiculed. Authoritarian systems are such systems and monarchies are authoritarian systems. (not counting the current version of parliamentarian monarchies). But when the ruler does something that the people can no longer swallow or endure, they lash out in equal force towards the ruler. Indeed, the greater the grievance, the greater the resistance. So yes, you are wrong lifeline, because while it is a monarchy, it doesn't mean there have never been any complaints nor that they shouldn't be allowed to come out. And while it is a monarchy, a king has to think very carefully what he does to his subordinates.

To clarify, I remained hidden in particular to see what the vote would look like in a more pure basis. I wanted to see how people would vote when it would come down to just the "de-throning or non de-throning" of yrthilian. I in particular did not want to see a result that would be based on a "yrthilian vs. metal bunny" poll. I have the best of intentions for GG and so does yrthilian, we just differ entirely on how to do it.

Well, the powerful backer is no longer anonymous. It’s me. I remained anonymous in the start because I wanted to get support first and a solid place to start from. I wanted to know what other people thought first. Now I do. If you think that doing this anonymous from the start was a mistake and it makes me a coward, then that’s your opinion. But the fact that I came forward this soon, should say enough. I have no intention of gaining power without the responsibilities. I do not shirk from them. I supported Yrthilian in the past, because I thought he would be a good leader, perhaps even, better than me. For those who don’t know, after Wodin left, savelfuser, yrthilian and I were the leaders. After savelfuser left I supported yrthilian because at that point, I had little ambition or enthusiasm to help govern the alliance. I was busy being mp6 and RPC back then. That was a long time ago and for a long time I noticed the GG alliance grow, bit by bit. But I also saw it stagnate. I waved them off, these things happen. Then, things suddenly started escalating. GG had fought in two wars in a short amount of time, causing much suffering, not just for the enemies, but for the inhabitants of GG as well. Tales of friendship, /regardless of ingame or irl/ that suffered. Yrthilian allowing KoB to take necrovion slaves. Despite what my really outdated and old description says, I am currently against slavery. I noticed the unjust treatment of Marvolo, son of a very good and legendary friend, Khalazdad. I also noticed that Wodin Ullr was a lifeless and silent husk of what he used to be. A good friend. I then heard from yrthilian himself about ripping the cube apart. I express extreme regret about not having stopped him nor making any attempt at doing so. I was not at the scene at the time, I missed the gate. But having Khalazdad as another lifeless slave cannot be condoned in my opinion. Yrthilian writes this off as a YIM war. You want roleplay? The reasons I gave are roleplay enough. In fact, I do not list as reason the YIM war, what I list as a reason is yrthilian casually dismissing his 2nd in command. What’s that about? Complete and total exile? If you are willing, as a roleplayer, to sacrifice a good man’s innocent soul, the soul of a good friend and father to many, the soul which was given to Wodin in /good trust/, just to reclaim power, then you are not a good and just king. Then you are not my king. Then you are nothing but a man hell bent for power. If you roleplay that, you roleplay a paranoid man. You know me and most of the other active RPC’s know me. I am objective and often neutral. But GG is my homeland and I will not stand by any longer to watch how GG suffers. I am not saying that I would be a good leader. What I am saying is that yrthillian in my eyes, has proven himself to be inadequate as a leader. What about me? I do not wish to be king. Regardless of whether or not I would become king or not, I will first and foremost be Emperor of Bunnies. But the bunnies are inhabitants of GG as well and if GG suffers, then they suffer as well. If I were allowed to lead the alliance, I would do what should have been done. Get peace, concentrate more on the interior, give Wodin his just respect and lay his weak body to rest. I would be far more inclined to call for diplomacy, instead of war. I would keep the foundations of the GG alliance true. Instead of researching many things in my lab somewhere hidden in GG, I would strive to make my alliance to look far more like the MR alliance, which in my opinion is a true fighter’s alliance, like Wodin would have wanted. Before yrthilian became king he was a researcher, a scientist. Tell me, how does a researcher lead a fighter’s alliance? But that is what I would do if I were to gain leadership. My main intent is to make sure that yrthilian does not gain leadership. If someone more suited to the task becomes the leader, then so be it, I do not mind.

My riddles are ridiculously hard. And I'm so awesomeness, people have to squint to look at me to see through the pure radiant awesomeness...

Uh Aql, we can't see which ones you won

I died pretty quickly , wasn't fast enough with changing my def rit I did kill raven though Ugh, the thing won't let me use the full editor, so I can't re-post the image. I didn't upload it the first time apparently. Someone merge/delete my posts?

Happy B-Day

Oh that was just beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

Or... We have a churchill and not a chamberlain. (NO, I AM NOT COMPARING JESTER TO HITLER) I mean, seriously jester, you did start talking about instigating war, so we do have a cause and reason. Whether or not it is a just cause or reason, that is entirely debatable. But really, did you not expect this? With Wodin as our alliance's founder, I mean, really? It's like you, a nation and it's leader, talks about war. Then it becomes surprised when one of the /very, very few/ neighbours pre-emptively strikes. I mean, really? Isn't it just a tiny bit naïve to think that /everyone/ would wait until you attacked them in their homeland? Now, we can debate all we want about the justness and righteousness about this war. We could go back and forth about the real cause of war. We could point fingers and we could, from both sides, argue that we are the right side and that the enemy deserves to be punished and that the enemy is actually a tyrant. GG could argue that Jester was the first to speak of aggression and war and that we had to attack first to make sure that the "evil" (heh, whatever) never spread to our lands. Necro could argue that the talks were just flim-flam and nonsense and that it was supposed to be collegial and all that other fluffy-like rubbish. Necro could continue to argue that since GG attacked first, that they are the aggressor and that they are the "evil" that needs to be repelled as the barbaric and tyrannous invaders that they are. OR, you could all calm down and realize that it's a war and no war is just. No war is good. No war is desirable from the perspective of the realm as a whole, with the possible exception of the winner, under certain circumstances. I argue that both sides are wrong. Jester shouldn't have been talking about war and yrthilian shouldn't have attacked necro so fast from the inside. But, this I argue from the entire realm's perspective. My own perspective is different. Stop being so pretentious and don't play the victim card. If you really mean it, then why are you not fighting back? You think pity and angry words will repel invaders? I myself, being in the GG alliance, am all for the war. And people who know me, know that I am not very shy for war. And I expect some fierce resistance, especially after all that war-talk. So where is it? Have we already won? Again? Don't make excuses and fight me like a true warrior, fight me as if I was indeed a real tyrant. Fight me!

Yes, because the harm implied is low.

No Jester, I completely got what you meant, but to call that war is a bit too much, no? To fight without the intention of actually inflicting serious harm or taking over things cannot justifiably called war. It's more like... skirmish or competition.

That is because she is Raven. Don't you read the AL? As for Jester, well, you are definitely breaking with Khalazdad's plans all right. It's kind of sad to see that happening.

The deal with Raven and Akasha and others, etc is being dealt with, except this time it is being done the way it should have been in the first place. In private. So... Uh... Trust me when I say that the next time something so severly idiotic as this happens, there will be severe consequences, at the very least from me.

I protect bob because it's funny. What? Expecting something else? Fine... I protect bob because I helped name bob... seriously, what kind of a name is Steve? I protect bob because the people who made it bloom were nice enough to show it to me once. That would be the earliest blooms, such as those from Speaker for the Dead. Z is still kind of a newbie Oh yeah, I said it.

[quote name='Shadowseeker' date='31 August 2009 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1251735198' post='40534'] That's supposed to be one single award I suggested.. And MB, do you think you should reduce the numbers a bit? I'm almost sure there's not more than 300-400 items in MD now.. [/quote] That's why I said it won't happen for at least a couple of years. I mean, the amount of items is still kinda low. But then again, you could always change the numbers, I mean, it's all up to mur.

Then perhaps the requirement that you have to gain them all via trade, should solve that problem, partially. Besides that, even without achievements, you are going to have item hoarders anyway. Not to mention there are way too few items in play as well as me forgetting to mention that what is listed above is nothing but an example. Besides, items should be useful for other things besides just roleplay.

something for won fights, lost fights? Such as: Recruit: 1000 won and lost fights Veteran: 2500 won and lost fights Commander/Hero/Champion: 10.000 won and lost fights (I have 3,6k wins and 4,5k losses, with numerous wins and losses being reset thanks to good ol' mur and his rebalancing acts as well as me being stuck in permanent balance for at least my entire mp6 career (8 months), so yes, 10k wins and losses is attainable.. just not that very easy... ) And to offset the eternal equilibrium stuff: an achievement for getting fixed balance? And perhaps some stuff for items and/or gold? Thick Wallet/Money Lover/Pennypincher/something else: 10 silver and 1 gold coin Greedy: 50 silver and 5 gold coins Hoarder: 100 silver and 10 gold coins King Midas/Scrooge: 1k silver and 100 gold coins (good luck getting that, lol) Cartwheel Merchant: own 5 item Shop Owner: own 15 items Warehouse Warrior/Wizard/something else : own 50 items Franchise Fury/ Tradin' Tycoon: own over 150 items Master of Monopoly: own over 500 items (This is long term stuff, I doubt anyone will get this in the next 2-5 years, then again, try and prove me wrong? ) Lucky Finder: own 5 valuable items (not including coins) Treasure Hunter: own 10 valuable items Dungeon Raider: own 25 valuable items Relic Realtor: own 50 valuable items Artefact Artist: own 100 valuable items Do my alliterations hurt your eyes and sense of poetry? If you can think of a better title, go ahead

[quote name='Liberty4life' date='16 August 2009 - 12:45 AM' timestamp='1250376354' post='39474'] umm that 50 lvl peasant vs lvl 1 demon... thats quoted from shadow [/quote] Not taking credit here, because I am certain that in the wide world of roleplay, someone, somewhere, may have said this before I did. I am certain of it; this world is full of godmodding children and adult hobby roleplayers. http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/4424-children/page__view__findpost__p__35079 http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/4424-children/page__view__findpost__p__35144 Which is basically my opinion this matter. Some of it may not apply, a lot of it will. How about I add something new. I wrote this in someone's log, to give you an idea how I handle these people. [i]"To every action there is an equal and opposed reaction. This game is awesome and great and so it is only natural that annoying people show up."[/i] You have some choices when dealing with these godmodders or immature roleplayers, or whatever you want to call them. I use a... in my opinion, a more mature and relaxed perspective on these matters. I ignore them or simply roleplay an action that makes them look immature or foolish. For instance if someone roleplays eating me, I respond by either ignoring them or by roleplaying that s/he should let me go, if s/he favors his/her teeth. If someone roleplays like in the first example; a giant blob eating bob and spitting it out. I would respond by either ignoring it or more likely: roleplaying that I see a quite delusional person humping bob the tree and licking it awkwardly. I then roleplay wondering where one could find a narcotic that would make one so delusional. Continuous complaining about people who cannot roleplay properly to the already set consensus of the older players, well, that is just basically useless. If these people are indeed so immature or not used to the level of roleplay, then they will probably not read the forum. In the offchance they do adjust, then it was a great thing indeed. But far better it is to adapt. Because these people will never stop coming and if you allow them to ruin the game for you, you let them win. Instead, keep roleplaying accordingly and set the good example or standard. Passive action, such as NOT RECOMMENDING THEM FOR PWR OR RPC, would be far more efficient in my opinion. These people will always come and play in such a manner, but if you can hold a more prestigious place over them and set a better example, then I believe that in the end, when the grows and grows, the majority of the players will have followed the example and the new players who godmod, will find themselves to be regarded as delusional and in the minority. Sounds a bit rough what I am implying, peer pressuring them into /more liked behaviour/, but that is the world we live in. But remember, I am an emperor, I am not a goodly and kind man who wants to be liked by all. Complaining does not help a lot I believe, but should it help, by all means, go ahead. Better you than me. I just think it is better to just ignore them or to ridicule them. Oh and to not recommend them for, well, basically anything. To stay on topic here, I believe that the current RP is actually quite good. I had expected a lot more Ledah's and the like. You see glass half empty, I see half a glass of vodka in my belly and half more to go before I drunkenly make a pass at some random female relative of yours and make merry while embarassing not only me, but her in front of your entire family as well, with the added result that you can no longer look at her with straight eyes and thoughts. Ever.

Just wondering how this is starting to become offtopic? I am actually opening up a position for waiter, with those conditions. If you think that is spam, then go ahead and move the topic to the offtopic section, no need to push a warn button.

I decided that I really dislike working at the bar; I mean, come on! I am an emperor! So.. like.. job openings are here.. and stuff.. I dunno, too lazy to work it all out. You don't get pay and you get scraps for meals. You sleep outside. Oh and you have to kiss my scepter everytime I am inside the pub. Who wants to work at the lounge? :D