Muratus del Mur

I have the following problem... The recruitment will have probably 4 stages, but if i tell now who "scored" in a stage, you will all figure out what things i look for and your symbols will follow what you think i like best and not what YOU think. There is also an other issue, as Akasha pointed me out, ... these things are of very subjective and personal nature, the way you see a countering of a symbol is influenced by who and how you are. There is a correct version of the answer, but there are also many others..and many that are neither correct nor false. Naming them right or wrong would make you look as if you "FAILED" something, and its not fair. I am searching fer a certain type of intuition here, there are no rights and wrongs, there are just what i need and what i don't So...today this topic was supposed to be closed, and an other one to start. I will not name those elected and i will ask all of you to participate in the following stages also. In the end i will have to name some of you. If you somehow you feel that your symbol is very right but i somehow ignored its meaning, please see again that i used the word counter-symbol..not closing, not deviating the meaning, not reflecting it to balance, nope..just counter it..in other words ..stick a sword in its symbolic heart and eliminate it, without creating garbage symbolistic or "noise". If you still think you did that and i still didnt regarded your symbol as acceptable, I am open to discuss it and explain how i see things. That is the best thing i can do in trying to avoid making a personal thing into right/wrong sort of thing. Btw, just one or two..possibly three people hit the right one, ..so don't consider that if the majority posted something, that will be the good one..just be yourselves..it might matter a lot Stage 2 will be up this weekend, also with a symbol..this time more soubtle

I make a clear distinction between Christianity and Church, one is a inner path one is a cruel scam. The only thing i respect about the "church" regardless of its name, are the people, its not their fault fake answers were feeded on a plate for them just to keep them docile slaves. I know a lot more than you try to believe, but it might be in a tottaly different direction than you think. Your ego kind of steps on my nerves, and your bad jokes, like the one in the sotis post are an insult. It was a time when i thought "atheist" are more open minded than "believers"..this forum here proved me quite wrong. The worse things possible are those that get close to a truth but alter the final result in their favor...thats what church does, thats my problem with them. Honestly, i don't care of your opinion anymore. It requires a certain level of decency and respect to talk to some people (yeah me), not just initiative and brain (you don't lack those, but you lack the first badly). I am not a modest man, but i consider myself fair so in case you want to know, i had no "blacklist" for the sotis recruitment, not _anyone_, so you kind of gave yourself a permanent bad vote from now on on such events.. don't participate anymore in them, post your jokes on separate threads.

Welcome to the first recruitment for Soldiers of The Inner Sun. This will be a series of tests, unusual tests, where you intuition will matter the most (at first). The ideology and in-realm purpose of sotis will be presented to you only if you are selected, so you will have a final word if you accept the invitation or not, in case you win this series of small contests. ==== Find me the countersymbol of this one: [img]http://magicduel.com/img/sotis/recruit1.jpg[/img] There are multiple ways. A minimum requirement would be to find a 4 part one, however a 3rd or even 2 part one are better. I doubt any of you can master a 1 part counter symbol so please do me a favor and don't try it. I can see where you guessed and were you used your intuition. random guesses will make me consider you failed, even if you eventually hit the right answer. It is mandatory that you make your edits on MY image, either by hand (then photo or scanned) or electronically in an image editor. However, hand lines tell much more than computer lines so if you use an image editor please be careful about the details. I will consider them part of what you tried to "say" and i won't care they are caused by the tool you used or brush settings. ANYONE REGARDLESS OF AGE OR LAND AFFILIATION IS WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE if you get selected but cant join sotis because of other land loyalty issues ..you will still enjoy participating. Good luck! p.s. contest ends when i see lack of activity in this topic, so hurry or you might post too late. I anticipate 2-3 days at most. Counter symbol means: a symbol or a series of shapes that cancel the current shapes. it is an intuitive thing hard to explain, either you feel it or you don't, reason will be useless if you can't cancel this simple one. The tehnical details will come with future more complex ones, but this one you should try to feel it. Some simple clues on what counter-symbols should be like in relation to the initial symbol: break it, close it, reverse meaning, compensate balance, shift gravity point but honestly, if the simple word "counter-symbol" doesn't mean anything to you you will probably fail in fiding one.

I requested the move of several topics related to research or revealing secret md things to the Tribunal Border Research forum. These will be locked from now on. If you wanted to read them but delayed it now is the time to be sorry and smash the keyboard, they just became classified materials out of your reach ..and you almost had them i will include a few people in the group that can access that forum. The selection is purely subjective and personal, based on who do i think it might handle the things discussed there in a way that it will help me conduct my research or bring me useful information in the process. This is just a fraction of the people that could do it and over time i will keep adding people to it as i see fit. This is not a group of "those who agree with me", it also has nothing to do with your religious concepts, i appreciate both those that contradict me and those that agree with me, but only depending on the way they do it. If their ego doesnt step over their desire for knowledge, or their beliefs don't blind them from discovering things that might shatter those beliefs, they i will see it and i will add them to that group. People with a "fixed" mind can't be allowed there, its a simple waste of time for me to repeat myself or to convince others of obvious things..or to hear impressions that bring nothing valuable or trigger no interesting thoughts. It also requires a lot of patience to handle the things there as i tend to write much and that implies a lot of time to read. Sadly for you, access to the section doesn not imply any benefit within md world, or any special social status..and i will kick you out if you will use this access in any way to pretend more "special" or more "deserving" in md. This group also implies no affiliation with Tribunal lands, but tribunal lands is the host of the topic, being a dominion of Mur, Mur being the creator of MD, its only the tribunal that can handle an area mixed between MD and RL officialy. initial people in: Rendril, Sharazhad, (Zl-eye-f)-nea, Malaikat Maut, Shadowseeker, Roland, Grido, awiiya, Yoshi, Aysun, Laphers, Burns this are just very few i remembered now, but the list is longer.

Ok, here is a list of people i will reward. [b]Each gets one WishPoint[/b] but i am not sure right now who should get the reindrach. I will open the topic again and I will ask the ones i name below to tell me what do THEY think it was the one wish that convinced me to reward them. Don't invent new wishes, just name the one from what you already wrote. Write it again don't just say a number please. Based on that i will decide who gets the Reiny. Awiiya Indyra dst Marvolo Lintara Chewett Those that wonder why they didn't won.. first of all it was a question about what you CAN do but you don't. I eliminated all that made wishes that didn't depend on them. The ones selected got selected because one particular wish i liked, not all. This is a very subjective decision , and it should be one. Afterall it is my own private quest so i can be as subjective as i wish to be Someone will contact you about the rewards, or assign them directly. might be Curiose (hired her on temporary time, see forum topic about it), or it might be someone from the new tribunal treasure keepers i am trying to assamble. Thank you all for participating, regardless how i considered your wishes it was very interesting to see what other people could wish for.

Now check this out. First of all my reasons to put 81 are different than the ones you discovered. They are based on four fold balance symbolistic and the current land balance. I said 7 is the number i searched for, yet 8.1 (not eightyone) was the one i considered suitable, as 77 or any other number actually has a different symbolic meaning. I did a small google search myself now, i was curious about the 7, that for me was so obvious but i didnt used it at all, yet i considered it the same thing with the ones i used 81 is a heptagonal number. A heptagonal number is a number that represents a heptagon (7-sides) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptagonal_number my really hord-core research question , is how can a 4-fold, completed by whatever tribunal is (i cant say yet), result in a 7 related symbolistic? So far there is no 7 related meaning in the realm, nor do i intend one, but this time i know ..one will result.

and yet ... you will find just a fragment of it, because to understand the numerology used in tribunals (land is not yet configured fully), you will have to first understand the other lands. Only then tribunal will complete its meaning. there are no other flavors suitable for tribunal other than gray-black/seven or eighty.one but how could you possibly understand the clues in TB when you have no idea about the ones left years in front of you.

not to mention some , like me, cant even open them ( only jpg on mobile)

there is a very common problem in countries such as mine..ingredient names. Most of the times i can't do any of the recipes i find because they have one or two ingredients that cant be found on this market. Thats just a side note. Find a way to integrate this somehow in md, anyhow..a good example is making pictures of the food you cook and post them here, with MD somehow, depending on what you cook of course. If you get this somehow better integrated i can sponsor it with some wp codes so you can reward people participating. in any case its a sweet idea, i love cooking ideas..too bad i eat more than i spend time cooking. oh...and can't deny i enjoyed yoshi's joke ))

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1291422578' post='74287'] Pipstickz, 789 active days, Tribunal (Seal of Six), Supporter tag I believe you should pick me because: A) I am already a citizen of the Tribunal B) I check the forums every day, multiple times per day C) I have a few standing grudges, but I have no problem paying people what they're owed D) I'm a vet and well known by the community E) To be quite frank, Ailith isn't active any more, and I'd enjoy having something to do rather than waiting for something that may not happen [/quote] [b] selected, standby for details [/b]

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[quote]I do not see the benefit of taking away past or already spent wish points that were used say[/quote] There is no pleasure for me in punishing people, or removing things from them, nevertheless it is important that abuse is punished if i am unable to prevent it. With wishpoints getting increasingly important for game dynamics, such things are important to be checked in order to prevent them from happening again. My option is clear, mercy-less removal of any doubtfull wishpoints. There are plenty of wp given for fake quests and/or third person intermediary, removing those without a reason is just the nice part of this cleanup. This time there won't be any punishments to those giving or having such wp. This is a cleanup. But like with any significant value, expect verification to be more strict. Afterall if i will value a wp to 40$ equivalent or even 20$, abusing them is worse than fake payments or alt bonus abuse tehnically speaking. Of course i won't let you go back and fix reasons you missed, thats the point, you should care about such things when you do them not only when you get caught. I don't remember to receive any pm or email from any of you requesting a wp reason edit because you missed one..now you suddenly want to fix this? "ha..ha.. " How used wp will be handeled is up to the council, i just care that something will be done about random wp gifts. Like i said the next thing to investigate is 3rd party "wp laundry" , you know very well what i mean, when your quests starts and end with just the people you needed to reward..without being any real chance for anyone else to participate or win at all. My rules were simple, give a documented reason, be honest about why you give a wp and give it for a "reasonable" reason. The meaning of reasonable is subjective enough, you could have given them for things honestly put, but should have never faked quests to pretend there is a reason for your wp trades. I am still thinking if to ask council to handle the second wave of cleanups or to allow myself the pleasure to decide in a very subjective way what i consider a valid wp and what not. It seems not only exagerated, but you continued to do so even after there were signs it might get ugly. In the future this will be handled in a different way, sadly i can't allow this freedom on how to award wishpoints anymore. I am not yet sure how this will be but you will find out. I am thinking to discuss this with everybody that I consider to have managed wp awarding decently according to the moral rules i expected.

I want the official stand of the caretakers on my treasure keepers initiative. How would such a personal service for me fit with the concepts followed by the caretakers, considering i am ruling Tribunal Lands now. I don't want to be a concept conflict between you and those i assign to dispatch my rewards, and it implies Tribunal official rewwards too. I am willing to analyze a possibility of having the people i want assigned for this as a subgroup of the caretakers, determined by tag, OR to have their responsabilities restricted or adjusted in respect to this alliance (because it precedes them and that should be respected) The treasure keepers will be sort of a courier mixed with banker service BUT also a judge sometimes, to decide how to manage the resources i give. I don't want to change caretakers to follow this concept because this is just a part of "taking care of TB businesses" , thats why i need to discuss this with you ASAP Thank you

I was planning to do this directly, but by making it a council request I allow it a second thought and maybe a variation of the rules its based on. Council can change it or deny it, as it thinks fit. Players can share their opinion here, maybe detailing points of view i missed. I am requesting Council to consider [b]removing all wishpoints given without a declared reason[/b], on all periods. Whoever doesn't care to write at least a formal reason for wp reason doesn't deserve to waste our time in checking validity of that wp. It should count as missing wishpoint anything too general like: - blank - filling spaces or characters - things like "quest" or "nice" or "see pm" etc Valid reasons are those that contain a trackable reference to a quest, like quest name, or rewarded action If the wp reason is correct should not be judged, yet, i am only concerned if there is a reason or not. After cleaning up garbage i intend to do a more detailed reason check. Wp could also be marked as used so that their association with their owner and giver remains in db for further checking in the second cleanup wave.

my point was to consider previously spent amounts too. read what i say

Each quest maker can do his own quest and decide how to give his rewards, or decide whom not to let to participate. This sort of permission is thought to support questers in trusting their own judgement and not be afraid of reactions or complains.(side note: However this kind of rule is not to allow quest makers to abuse and trade or transfer rewards under false pretext of a quest.) Because your quest involves later implications of what people will consider as necrovion core concepts, i can not allow you to risk spreading possibly false information. I don't mean you have a false view on these concepts, i mean i have no clue what your view is at all. Therefore you are entitled to limit your participants as you wish but i can not allow you to decide in a public way what necrovion core concepts are without a backup check by me or jester (representing necrovion official) Your options are (one of the following): - discuss your opinion with jester before naming a winner, to be sure that the selected view on necrovion concepts is not containing false information - discuss your final options with me , i wont have time to check all of them, but i can tell you if what you selected is right or wrong - discuss with me or jester your view on nc concepts so your view is accurate. - rename quest to be about what YOUR view is, disclaiming from rewarding a generaly correct opinion.

I posted a topic about new shop/tombola idea. With that one i can better organize such events, but on random events only i can manage i can't do better than dragging it over six hours to wait for everybody. I am sorry this is obviously unfair for those on different timezones. This was not normal hour even for my timezone, i tried to shift it as much as possible, but there are some hours i will never be online.

Hired but consider any other job offerings you will receive. My tasks won't take much of your time, so consider it a part time job. Now i have to figure out what to give you to do, i dont really have anything but i loved the idea enough to create a job opening just for this

Thank you for your opinions, this is my current prefered variant, keep telling what you think. - List with "100" hidden items. This list will fluctuate based on how i add prizes to it and number of buyers. Sometimes it can be that the list is almost empty, other times to have 200 items, etc. Over half of the items will be overpowered in current sense. The features provided will however become common in the future through this shop/tombola or ingame abilities (like magic ctc) - spent and unspent credits will count in 100$ increments as a ticket to pick something from the list. The list being hidden, it means people wont always get what they wished for. It also means people will see what the shop had before but not what it has now, allowing some suspanse. Or 200$ ?? - wishpoints will count as 40$ spent credits. Or 10$ ..Or 20$? both spent and unspent count the same - list with numbers and players will be always public but only once a month it will be revealed to show winnings. event at goe or automated, depends on month mood and time. - no limit of choices one could select per list. This is important for old players that currently have lots of credits and wp. It means a 100 items list will run out very fast. - In future, tickets to this thing will be tradeable items so they can be awarded and traded. did i missed something?

offering a one time bid of 10 Gold ( i wont bid again over). declared purposes .. capturing a shade for tribunal land .. undeclared purposes

You considered the obvious implications of bringing religious current in a place governed by a crazy demon / ex god / tyran ruler / maniak about symbolic meanings / also in a land that is so remote? people alone will have a problem wondering alone, citizens will have to chose if to follow a doctrine with symbols in respect of that land, something balancing in a way gg non-preaching research way but with lr religious devotament and mb secrecy of some sorts, this will be weird at least (for both of us) As an ex md ruler, i want to say i would normally not interfere with player actions, as a Tribunal Demon i want to say you will find out on your own and that all of you need to remember the things i said in the dominion announcements. You do not yet know my reactions to prayers and rituals, directed at me as my new form or against or independent. I will be myself, in a very honest way but without limitations of "md official". I might clean your head off and hang you on the gates as warning for others, I might drain you of your prayers to restore my powers, i might do other things i cant know now. My form is new, I have a long way ahead... but are you sure you consider the implications of your actions in front of a demon?

I need some people that are very active on the forums. They will have first of all to become citizens of Tribunal Lands and that means i will have to see them as such. Thats why i will pick from those offering their service here in a very subjective and unrevealed way. These people can join any of the existing alliances that receives them, if they receive them in their ranks. If they don't want to or can't, i can give them citizenship or even create a separate alliance for them (if i find enough) Your task would be to manage my wealth. I am some times giving rewards on forums, or in game, not only to tribunal citizens but maybe sometimes to people you argue or disagree with. Or sometimes to quests you didn't got rewarded. I need you to be able to give the awards in my place and not let personal interests interfere with that. It will also require you to hunt down all my posts on forum, mood panel and announcements, so you will find the people that need to be rewarded as fast as possible and assign them the reward i named with highest priority. Your advantages are obvious. you get a very interesting reputation a tag related to this role, if you don't have an other already, and you will share some of the surplus rewards on a regular basis. I might even happen that i have things from time to time that you will have to auction on the forum and exchange to a lower range of more prizes so you will have "change". My rewards are usualy only big, i don't bother to handle the small ones, but i oftenly need those. I can't always reward a drach or a fulltokend tainted you know You will not be allowed to assume authority over others. Your loyalty and role is only to me, [b]IT IS NOT A MD OFFICIAL POSITION[/b] I am posting this on tribunal forum because thats what it is , a land role goverened by its leader, me. You will only dispatch rewards or reward yourself on my command, the rewards i name or the situations i name. Other kings its their own business how they handle their lands. Post playername, active days, current citizenship and current tag if any, and a short description of why i should pick you from all the rest. CITIZENS OF OTHER LANDS READ THIS: If you are selected, i will require a note from your king saying you are allowed to abandone your land for this one. WIthout an aproval from your current king i wont accept you. If you run away from your land for this, kings have at most a week to notify me and i WILL kick you out for it. I appreciate loyalty, both for me but also for others.

I am thinking to make tombola somehow permanent event. There are however some things i don't like and prevent me from doing so. Other things i like very much and make me search for an option. I dont like: - too much random picking - too much dissapointment if you are unlucky. if you keep spending and you dont win anything month after month you will be very upset - creates the feeling md is only for those thay pay - people will pay just when tombola runs so they get tickets, otherwise why to miss it when credits can wait anyway. I like: - its a way to reward those that support md financially the most with things i cant put in shop - gives a reason to purchase credits even if otherwise you wouldn have on what to spend them anymore - it is a social event and an opportunity for a small monthly party - boosts md income and maybe we can put some advertising again, not just "survive" from month to month like now Suggestions: Option 1: - permanent second level shop. This shop would have public list of items that are with limited stoc and not always the same. From time to time i will add things to it, while others get bought. It wont be nested like the normal shop, but things in it will variate in value a lot. Drachs, full tokend creatures, magic ctc options, all sorts of things from actual transferable md things (items, creatures, etc) to custom services like gold avy and creature modifications. The price would be calculated in one of these two ways (one or the other, let me know what you think best): Variant 1) every 200credits you have, spent or unspent, regardless when, means one ticket to this shop to pick any item you want Variant 2) a ticket would cost 100 credits, taken from unspent credits (and placed to spent) Using credits for this will allow purchasing of credits regardless if shop runs or not, and will also allow subscription 50% bonus to count more in such cases. A lot of players already have lots of unspent credits just because they buy them to sustain MD, not because they need them, and that needs to be rewarded somehow. Option 2: - a montly list with hidden rewards. a list with as many numbers than the numbers of paying people. Each person to purchase anything from the shop of a minimum of 20$ that month, can pick one number from the list (just one). The majority of the rewards will be smaller but everyone buying at least 20$ worth of credits will get a reward from that list. Some rewards will be very high, like tombola. There wont be an actual credits cost, its about if you purchased credits or not. Option 3: - a monthly list with hidden rewards like above, but a choice on that list would cost 20credits. You could buy as many numbers as you wish and at the end of the month the rewards associated to each number will be revealed. Note: the more automated this thing goes the less powerfull the maximum rewards will be. Option 1 - most crazy rewards but very very few Option 2 - moderate with some special things, a moderate number of players Option 3 - above shop level but not shockingly special things because players with most money could buy too many and i dont want that, i want a more even distribution. At least thats i assume the distribution levels will be. This is not a poll, the number of buyers is inferior to those playing free, so its not fair to count number of votes. I am interested in reasons why one or the other. please be short or i wont read all of it (sorry). I am interested to know if you are a regular buyer just in case your opinion is based on that. If you analyze it from a general perspective i dont care, and i prefer not to. Analyze all parts, the values unbalance one, the moral one, the "md is for smart not for rich" part, the fact that people keeping md alive the most need to be rewarded differently than the regular shop but also the fact that without enough users i am forced to put a way up to raise more funds. This winter we will survive thanks to the tombola and the upcomming chrismas limited edition items, but in the next period it will be very hard. Now more than ever because the purchases now covered what we needed and people made their reserve of credits so they won't need to buy anything for a while... Analyze whatever other balance or moral issue you see that i don't see. There is an other option i have but i don't like it, to increase shop stock three times so that everything in shop will get deeper and eventually require more credits to reach... or to change prices to 2$.....I DONT LIKE THAT, but its an option if none of the above are good enough. This is not a question if i should, nor a vote on how i should do a shop change. It is a honest debate with you , all the players, paying and non-paying, about how to do MD financial politics in the upcoming future so that all three parts are happy about it. By three parts i mean "MD" as a business that needs to sustain itself and also expand, the paying players, and the non-paying players. Do not ignore non-paying players in your analysis. Its there where some of the most brilliant md minds come from, they need to have same chances somehow. I dont mean fights, i mean collecting things and gaining reputation so they raise up on the reputation level. That is _VERY_ important.

one time bid of 2 gold from me. i dont care to buy it (but i will if needed), i am forcing minimum price of 2 gold.

(i enjoy this ) Knaty won't speak on forum so idk what he would reply What i will say is for the new ppl that don't know KC ..KC is NOT Mur. the person writing the letters is, but the characters are not the same, never will be and a conflict of interest will never happen. I am the sort of person that can play chess with himself. Thats not the problem. PS. the problems is, do "I" win or do "I" lose )