Aysun

[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' timestamp='1285772468' post='69347'] yes, it's true, different tribes interpret events differently, but the essence should be the same... It didn't create that problem for other civilizations, for example we are using Greek mythology in the calendar, yet every city in ancient Greece was a separate state with it's own cult of god/goddess... I'm not that of an expert on Slavic mythology (that's why I acquired that book I mentioned) to tell more about all of this, but I know enough that it deserves a place in the calendar, and I'll see if I can help out for it to get there Some celebrations can be found here as well (oh that Google ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_mythology [/quote] Thanks for the link! From what I can tell with slavic culture is that there is only consistently, say, Veles and Perun that are consistent throughout the society through time as a whole. Otherwise it's all exceedingly specialized from there. The reason why the greeks work better for this sort of thing than the slavs is because they were slaves to record keeping. They recorded everything- ideas, government tallies, and even day to day accounting. You don't have these sorts of things in slavic culture outside of specific civilizations (such as Kiev and the early Russian empire) because writing didn't exist before the missionaries came in and created it- and by then, they didn't care about recording when all the old pagan festivals and feast days were. The reason why I think Kiev Rus will perhaps work the best for what you're proposing is because as a centralized civilization, there would've been record keeping of some sort. I'll have to look into that, but it's hard, if not impossible, to run a city without record books. I'm newly researching this stuff myself (and I find it a fascinating coincidence that you've brought it up here), so I need to look into that theory. If you're worried about Kiev Rus being influenced by outsiders, you must understand that there is no such thing as a 'pure' culture. A culture, at its essence, is an amalgamation of ideas from different places. If we go back to the two staple gods of Slavic paganism, Veles/Volos is merely an import of the proto-hindu Vele for example. So even if we took a broad look at slavic culture, there is still significant outside influence. With that said, I think Kiev Rus might be the closest we can get to an original significant Slavic civilization that will have some sort of recorded record of city feast days. We can both look into it, though. [quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' timestamp='1285772947' post='69348'] I'd like to sign up and give you a hand Aysun. I helped a bit with the old one here and there. I'll start with week OCT 24 - 31 if that's ok? Otherwise just pick any of them for me, I'll send you a forum PM done as you've stated when I'm done and if it's ok then you can assign me a new week? Z [/quote] Sure thing! Go ahead and start on it and I'll get your name by that week. You can pick any that you like- if you would like me to pick them, I'll probably just go down the list, haha. Thanks so much!!

[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' timestamp='1285755519' post='69338'] before of course. Slavs adopted Christianity much before 1650, and as a religion it got exterminated, but some traditions remained. South Slavs inhabited Balkans, and first Serb state for example was founded in 9th century. All Slavs have same background, but perhaps there are number of additions in the culture in West/East/South Slavs due to different influences. I recently bought a huge book that is used in university of Belgrade about Slavic Culture and Mythology. Due to school duties, my plan was to research it over next several months or more, but I guess you won't wait for that long. There are many celebrations that just changed their name when Christianity was adopted, but the tradition of them stayed the same, there's bound to be a lot of data on the net. I would like it to be implemented into the calendar, cause Slavic culture isn't just something irrelevant, Slavic nations have large influence in the course of history and culture (as do the rest of the Calendar cultures). Be careful about Kievan Rus tho, cause they were originally Slavic nation ruled by Varangians, so Nord culture is bound to have some influence there (if you search concretely Kievan Rus culture) [/quote] No one's tried to leave slavic people out of this- please let me say this first of all. My original list of groups regularly named in the calendar was purely from memory and needs to be added to. The problem with what you're proposing is that the slavs only ever coalesced into a defined civilization in a couple of places in history. We cannot just say 'slavs' on the list, because that is much too vague and the differences from tribe to tribe, and even village to village, with regards to heritage and especially religion were so drastically different from each other at times that there is no real uniformity to it that anyone remembers. This makes putting accurate dates to thoroughly known events hard. That remembering part is also especially important, too- writing did not come about in that area until the conversion from christianity, and by then those who were literate were not concerned with correctly recording local legend and native pagan myth in the slightest so a great deal of information is lost to time. Reconstructions have been attempted, but at best they are just vague stipulations in the end. Just like with Peace's greece list, I can accept a list of events you might put together, but there is no guarantee that they will *all* be used as anyone who decides to do a week can pick and choose which holidays they think are relative, and perhaps the most significant globally, to that day. But if you'd like to submit a compiled list of dates from [i]a specific slavic culture in particular[/i] (aka, this group of slavs must have a culturally identifying name), then I'll see what I can do to work at least some of them in. [u] As a note to everyone[/u], PLEASE keep in mind that dates are being worked on in WEEKLY increments- not monthly or yearly. Proposing a group to add to the civilization list to be considered and looked out for is fine, submitting a general fact sheet to me is fine, but things are getting completed in WEEKLY increments and people who sign up for weeks will have a blank slate to pick and choose what they feel is globally significant. They will not be picking a week and then handed an already worked on form. If you'd like to make sure a particular favourite civilization (civilization, mind you) is included, please sign up for a week, HOWEVER any one-sided submissions will be heavily edited. A.k.a., please do not submit a week to me where all 28 events only come from Asia, for example. Please be globally and diversely minded with this project.

[quote name='DarkPriestess' timestamp='1285721134' post='69317'] I think I had contacted someone about the calendar myself, a long time back, but I was told that all the required info was gathered more or less, so I gave up my research. It is rather easy for me to get the Greek information should you need me to get it. [/quote] Sure! Are you thinking of doing a full week, or are you just wanting to hand over a fact sheet of things that can be used? [quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' timestamp='1285735680' post='69322'] I would really like that Slavic dates get implemented into the calendar of world cultures [/quote] Sure! Do you have a specific culture in mind for that? Please remember that they need to have been active at or before 1650AD otherwise it's bordering too much on the modern. Kiev Rus, for example, could be a good pick possibly. What do you think?

Yes, I agree. I'll have one up soon. Thank you for the suggestion! edit: There we go! If anyone has any critiques, ideas, or suggestions for the template or any other element of what's up so far, please share your thoughts with me. I consider this extremely flexible, so let's make it the best.

As inquiries have been made about the completion of the MD calendar and a response given that it is now an open community project with potential incentive, I thought I'd start the thread for the work. I've personally been interested in the calendar for quite some time, so I'd really like to help with this if possible. Could the person who will be in charge for putting up the finished work once it's all completed PM me please? The announcement made was as follows: [quote]As you probably noticed, the calendar for these few month does not exist yet. Any of you is welcome to help by providing interesting ("same style") info for each of the missing days till the end of the year. Its better to get organized before randomly preparing info, use the forum for that. Currently we have all month of the year till August (included), so September October November and December are to be made. There are rewards for those that will help to finish the calendar but if you are doing it just for the reward please don't join.[/quote] So, the months missing are: •[b]September •October •November •December[/b] Some of the cultures that are currently used on the calendar are: •Ancient Egyptian •Greek •Roman •Celtic •Islam •Ancient Persian •Aztec •Native American •Japanese •[u]Significant events[/u] from the MD Adventure Log (If anyone remembers any others, please post them and I can add them to the list.) It seems that roughly about 3-4 different cultural 'events' are mentioned at [i]most[/i] on any given day, written in a concise format. Renavoid mentioned in the mood panel that the calendar has already been finished, but it seems either the work was never received or simply not implemented. Whether that is used or new work used, I figure a thread to start doing [i]something[/i] can't hurt! ≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠ Ok, in an effort to streamline this, I'm going to propose the following: •Those wishing to contribute should pick a full week (seven days) to do at any given time. I will put up a list of dates for all the missing months so that they can be signed up for. •Choose at least two historic HOLIDAYS* prior to the year 1650AD for any given day, but [u]no more than four for that day[/u] (three is an ideal number unless that day happens to be incredibly interesting for some reason). •Holiday summaries should be no longer than 130 characters each. •Each holiday entry for any given date should include a citation of where you got it from. This is just to make sure they're not coming out of thin air. •Completed weeks should be PM'd to me as in-line text. Please don't send me attachments. Here's a sample of what I'm looking for: [quote=Submission Template]WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 1-7 Sept. 1: •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) Sept. 2: •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) Sept. 3: •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) Sept. 4: •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) Sept. 5: •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) Sept. 6: •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) Sept. 7: •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry) •holiday name- holiday 140 character text here (citation here at end of individual entry)[/quote] Dates Available for work ([color="#4169E1"]post which you'd like to do and I'll put your name next to it[/color]- [b]Please submit one week before picking another one[/b]): [color="#808080"]SEPT 1-7 ==>Aysun/awiiya (complete) SEPT 8-15 ==>Awiiya (complete) SEPT 16-23 ==>Awiiya (complete) SEPT 24-30 ==>Awiiya (complete) OCT 1-7 ==>Zleiphneir (complete) OCT 8-15 ==>Zleiphneir (complete) OCT 16-23 ==>Zleiphneir (complete) OCT 24-31 ==>Zleiphneir (complete) NOV 1-7 ==>bfh lighthing (complete)[/color] NOV 8-15 ==>Peace (in progress) [color="#FF0000"]NOV 16-23 NOV 24-30[/color] DEC 1-7 ==>Aysun (in progress) [color="#FF0000"]DEC 8-15 DEC 16-23 DEC 24-31[/color] [color="#FF0000"]RED[/color] = open for work BLACK = in progress [color="#808080"]GREY[/color] = completed [color="#FF0000"]>>>>READ ME:[/color] [u]Generic lists of dates for one specific culture are ok. Otherwise, PLEASE only submit ONE WEEK AT A TIME and let me know what you're working on right before you start so that I can keep track of it- you have no idea if someone else also has a message sitting in my inbox asking for something that you've begun work on without letting me know. This is the only way it can stay organized. PLEASE stick to the script with this, otherwise it becomes a tangled mess.[/u] *just a note on the definition of 'holiday'- a traditional festival or traditional remembrance day that has become a feast day of some kind and has/had become an annual cultural norm for a given society. For example, The day athens survived against Sparta became an annual festival in greece, thus giving it long-term signifigance. However, the Battle of Torrence was just a battle- nothing is attached to it other than it happened and thusly shouldn't be used. If you have to wonder if it's worth using as a holiday for a given day, just pick something else less questionable. [color="#FF0000"]tl;dr[/color]: There is no tl;dr-Read this post or else your submission won't be used.

Ducks are incredibly awesome anyway. I didn't know neurons lived in the 'hood, either. Are they also packing heat? "Raise 'em high!"

Mur, only those who do not know who they are in their heart and at the very root of their soul become lost. Paths we go down, relationships, might lead us to dead ends, but that does not mean that we ourselves are the ones turned around- just that particular option is no longer valid or viable. Even the oracle at Delphi had inscribed within the temple she presided over the phrase "gnōthi seauton", or, as we say in classical english, "Know Thyself". Not even an augury of the future can hold any meaning to one who does not 'Know Thyself', or knows him/her self. Purpose is built upon who you are. You cannot hold a purpose to yourself if you do not know who you are. Gain insight, Mur. Philosophy only goes so far. We are not built upon philosophy, but something so much finer than that.

Hang in there, sage!

Oh my, thanks for saving me the trouble of continuing my investigations of what you've been up to all this time. (your rather obvious hint-dropping has not gone unnoticed) Unless of course this post is all a red herring. Either way, cheers and may you fare well wherever the wind takes you. -A

Since Marind is a ghost from the beginning, I don't know how anyone can stipulate that she's alive at any point. She's dead when you begin the story and she stays that way. [size="1"]edited for typos.[/size]

[quote name='Blackwoodforest' date='05 July 2010 - 11:59 PM' timestamp='1278395954' post='63494'] Your post added in the final book, haven´t forget to read and judge it, but only to combine. I am sorry for this. [/quote] No prob- thanks for including me.

^The isolated example I used in my last post was to show that it isn't always a cycle and thus diverse enough to not fall into cyclicty, etc. Death has so many variations, as your example shows, and that's why I think it's principle worthy.

[quote name='Blackwoodforest' date='05 July 2010 - 01:14 AM' timestamp='1278314088' post='63407'] Maybe Aysun will take a closer look at my entry and then a link will appear magically where all entries are gathered as prison diary book. [/quote] You have magically left mine out then....

Congrats to the winners, although I must say my entry was better than everyone's, so....*COUGHCOUGH* Perhaps Blackwood could make a compilation of all the entries submitted?

But.....that's not....ceiling cat!!!! >.< That's Longcat vs. Tacgnol. Jeez, newfags..... Let me see what I can find. It's been awhile since I was on ebaums and caturday has long since been abandoned after lolcats/cheezburger ruined everything...... ======================================================================== [attachment=1807:where-is-your-god-now.jpg] <--ceiling cat. ^Mur! [attachment=1808:tacgnol.jpg] ^Tacgnol is liquid dust cat? [attachment=1809:lime-cat.jpg] [attachment=1810:hangover-caturday.jpg] [attachment=1811:endcat.jpg] [attachment=1812:caturday-1d9.png] ^I'm sorry, but that's Pipz. xD [attachment=1813:cat-general.jpg]

^ Again, not all forms of death run in a cycle. Some things do simply end, therefore it cannot be any sort of loop. Death is a multifaceted thing, and due to its diversity and inevitability in a plethora of forms, I thought it worthy of suggestion.

As I logged into MD, in the blank area next to the chat, I got the following: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_ENCAPSED_AND_WHITESPACE, expecting ']' in /home/magicdue/public_html/dlg/dlg.userdetails_arena.php on line 1484 I thought it might be worth posting, as I know a lot of work is being done on coding at the moment and anything caught might help.

Principle of Death. Death is broad and comes in many forms- death of a view, of an idea, of people, plants, and animals.....death of the mind. The death of planets and realms....the death of stars. It is endless. One could say that death is only an aspect of cyclicity, but there's much more to it than that. In some forms of death, there IS a cycle- human death and rebirth for example. But in the death of ideas, or the death of the mind (brain dead, for example), there is not always another beginning from such things. In those instances, things can just end. I think death is very valid. I would say birth as well, but I DO think *that* would be getting too close to cyclicity.

[quote name='Pipstickz' date='30 June 2010 - 11:53 PM' timestamp='1277963622' post='63080'] All I'd like to say is that you CAN do other things during story mode, such as researching things, if you're prepared beforehand and set up some people to talk about it with, or you can make an alt and do normal stuff. [/quote] True enough about the research! In truth, I've already done so- I can be an incredibly fast moving person when I want to be. As for alts, it's no fun that way....

[quote]Most people play a neutral or a good aligned character, hence there is an imbalance towards light. It is tricky to play an evil character for several reasons. Everybody can be an annoying person, but a likable evil person? Furthermore even this time the killed character got revived. Doing evil deeds isn't that simple if your victims are certain to find out and come back to haunt you.[/quote] I think it's possible. And who said anything about killing for good? I don't think perma death is fun either. Coming back at the person who came at you and doing what you can to try and assure that it won't happen again (at least not by the same means as before) also adds an element of strategy to survival, I think. In this case, Mya's protectors wasted a perfectly good opportunity- that they won the right to carry out- to exact retribution and they pretty much did nothing. That was their choice- or perhaps their loss- but they still had that chance to make a come-back and they didn't really take it. [quote]If you read the reasons why Mya was chosen to be killed... they first decided who to murder and then sought for a reason why the culprit would want to do it. That is meta gaming. Granted, a little meta gaming might be necessary to prevent stagnation, yet the main question of this thread is what is acceptable and what kind of precedent do we want to set? Should even a saint be allowed to murder just because it makes things interesting?[/quote] The way I understood it was that Darigan pissed somebody off (this someone being Pample), and a plan was formed to get back at him by killing Mya. That's not meta gaming, that's just premeditated murder and strategy. Meta gaming would be asking permission of the victim to kill them outside of MD, as 'metagaming' is defined as, "a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself. In simple terms, using out-of-game information, or resources, to affect one's in-game decisions." Nothing in this murder plot was external- it was all planned within MD, using MD items in the prescribed manner. Therefore, it cannot be considered metagaming, but all the suggestions made here in protest of, for example, temporarily killing someone in game *would* be considered metagaming. Therefore, it was all completely within game boundaries to do what was done. Since it's all within game boundaries, it comes down, too, to a matter of morality. What is within the moral limits of each person to do a certain action? If we're to use the lands as an example of general morality, one could say that MB (through its light connection) and LR (through its nature connection) would be morally in favour of life compared to causing death. Necrovion, being a place of death, is more prone to cause death than to support life. The challenge of existing within a land in MD I would think would be how to accomplish one's own ends within the moral parameters of the place you've sworn loyalty to. It is within Necrovion's scope to use death as a means of furthering itself, but (just as an example) MB would not support this way. Therefore, MB must find a way to be just as effective as Necrovion but using their own, alternate means- this is how people can be set apart in what land they choose. [quote]If you're going to rely on mechanics, you can't do much. The creature battles only allow you to KO somebody, you cannot loot their corpse. People only stay dead for a few weeks tops... If you're relying on sparkly blue text, you'll have to obey self imposed restrictions. If you read someone's papers you can guess how much restrictions they placed upon their character. If there are none, you have the choice between ignoring that (awful) character, or to stay on their good side because they're too strong. Or you could go for the rule of coolness or even toss a coin to decide whether a grappling attempt on your character worked. Certainly if the other person is assuming using a two headed coin and you are not, you're bound to loose a toss eventually, but this is like all game theory problems: if both sides stay stubborn, everybody - including you - loses. [/quote] Again, I think it would be silly for people to be able to be perma killed by another player. I would personally want them to come back eventually, as that's what constitutes a good fight. With regards to using peoples' character pages as a reference, since Ancient Lore is so frowned upon, I really don't understand how some people get away with creating fantastical histories for themselves as some sort of background of their time before MD. This is just my personal opinion, but to me life in MD seems to be this: oblivion, and then you enter MD. How you can be a goddess/fire demon dragon water half vampire sprite imp/thing before you come into being in MD is really beyond me since it just seems like another way of creating 'ancient lore' that isn't really there or relevant. So, as far as character background goes, I think considering their existence -solely- in MD is what should be taken into consideration and not any fairytale someone might attach to themselves. So, in this case, you're right, blue texting your way into a dire situation can't really work. I think I'm really going to enjoy this new RP reality requirement, because it'll stop a lot of the super-magical powers stuff that people attach to their own form of ancient lore. So in sum, another question could be 'what are the moralities of each land within MD?'. I think it's good that citizens of LR, who are lovers of nature and thus life, find Death handed to one of their own through Necrovion abhorrent. To me, it's supposed to work that way. But, I don't think people should tell the place of Death to not distribute Death on occasion just because they're uncomfortable with it- that doesn't make any sense to me. You are not a member of Necrovion so you don't have to deal out death, but you share a continent with Necrovion and therefore death, and as a consequence it's something you have to deal with. I just think that's all part of it. :/

[quote name='dst' date='30 June 2010 - 09:50 AM' timestamp='1277913015' post='63044'] That is the whole point:when is the time? where is the place? Since we already started on this path at least we can try and define some guidelines. Of course there will always be people like me for example who will bend/break/jump over the rules. But the good majority will respect them. ps: in case it's needed we can split the topic. [/quote] Ah, no, that's not been it, you're right. Sorry, I shouldn't've tried to respond to you just then. Plum wine+logic=no logic. Let me think this out (as it's 1am for me) as perhaps we're on to something here. What is allowable and what is going too far? There is nothing to define otherwise as no occasion has presented itself as a means to amend the rules so there's a very large gray area. Should polite decorum be followed? Or should it be up to 'any means necessary'? In this case, it seems that whoever is officially dead is automatically brought back to life by the system after a set amount of time so therefore no real harm done (again, please correct me if I'm wrong!). Even so, some people still have a problem with this. I suppose the problem lies in personal preference. Some people feel violated by death, and some people think death and their subsequent revival are apart of the game. Death is an element of MD since it is the main focus of Necrovion, yet there is still resistance.....there's certainly a lot to work with there and many paths to take as far as opinion goes!

[quote name='dst' date='30 June 2010 - 09:37 AM' timestamp='1277912234' post='63042'] Actually, I don't get it. I was talking about things that everyone can do in the game if they have the proper knowledge. It's not like I have special powers or something. It's not something that was given to me because my name is dst. I am talking about mean stuff that can be done using game mechanics. My question is: where do we stop? Or...do we stop? [/quote] Ahh, philosophical indeed. Perhaps everything has a time and a place...

[quote name='Chewett' date='30 June 2010 - 08:39 AM' timestamp='1277908758' post='63040'] if you refere to CTC logs and such, anyone can view these. If you refere to Pulling chat logs from a location, That was givent to her and others by Mur. If you say that everyone who was given X or Y by Mur is "higer up" or "special" then it seems like most of mp5 is special since prettymuch all the vets have recieved some sort of power, spell or creature from mur. [/quote] *sigh* I'm not trying to pull straws here, I'm trying to make a point. If you'd rather pull straws, that's fine, but I think the majority at least understand what I'm getting at.

[quote name='Chewett' date='30 June 2010 - 08:11 AM' timestamp='1277907118' post='63037'] being a forum mod means NOTHING ingame. Being a moderator has nothing todo with your role, Only gives you some work to do on the forum, and doesnt make you more "powerful". please DO NOT assume. [/quote] Thank you for correcting me. However since she has the ability to look at logs IN GAME that others cannot, or only that specific individuals are able to have access to, there must be some sort of distinction. This is essentially what I meant in this case.

[quote name='dst' date='30 June 2010 - 06:56 AM' timestamp='1277902569' post='63024'] @Aysun: I can do lots of things in the game. Nasty things. The game allows me. Should I go and do them just because I can? It's easy for me to do it but would you enjoy me doing it to you for example? [/quote] You're a moderator of the forum, therefore I assume that you have special mod abilities in game as well. If not, please correct me- I'm just assuming here. If it's something that everyone else as a whole has the ability, or in time has the potential to do (such as something from the wish shop for example), then it's up to your discretion whether you want to do it or not. I don't count god/mod abilities, though, and god/mod abilities weren't used here nor are they available to everyone. [size="1"]edited for clarification.[/size]