Resigning from BHC position

[Eon]

I'm resiging from my BHC position. I decided to post why, and show how the council and I don't see eye to eye when it comes to my position.

This is an email from them and my response to them.

If you feel like reading it, first read the council's email at the bottom. My responses are at the top.

Feel free not to post, what you have to say really means very little to me.


"> We didn't reply previously as you deemed to start the contest without
> hearing back from us."

Which according to the creator of MagicDuel, Mur, I had every right to. We've spoken about my BHC role many times in the past, and none of you apparently have any idea what he has told me.

"The BHC's with skilldamage are run too regularly."

From my coversations with Mur I was given the impression that skilldamage is supposed to be rewarded for every BHC. If I remember correctly skilldamage is suppose to make the "Strongest" player weaker over time, because no one will want to train with the person. Had I never recieved skilldamage I'd be about 5-10 times stronger than I am now, meaning my attack stat would be in the tens of millions. Kind of makes sense, although I'm also not willing to join little training groups, so that also has put a damper on my training in the past. Also, every BHC in history has given skilldamage so it's very easy to believe that's how it's supposed to go.
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"Rewards of the BHC should be appropriate to the contest being
> run, Skilldamage is an exclusive ability right now and not to be given
> out lightly. This contest in which participation was minimal and without
> effort exerted by the players was undeserving of skilldamage as a
> reward. Instead it was a contest in which you effectively set yourself
> up to win again and receive additional skilldamage which is
> unacceptable."

Are you people really that stupid? I set myself up to win it again? What proof do you have that I specifically set it up to win skilldamage again? Oh, that's right, you don't have any, you're just assuming that's what happened. Yeah, you guy's are perfect examples of people who shouldn't be leading MD. You people obviously know nothing and yet make assumptions based on no real proof.

Like I just stated, I was under the impression every BHC was supposed to give skilldamage as a reward. How could I have known there was going to be such a low turnout? Oh, that's right, I couldn't have known that. I set up the sign ups, I can't force people to join this.

From what I hear, a lot of people were just too busy in real life at the time to sign up and give it much of an effort, so they decided not to sign up at all. Another group of people don't sign up because their weak and don't feel they have much of a chance in these competitions.

Skilldamage? Seriously, why the hell would I care if I gain more skilldamage or not? I had 93 skilldamage and then it went up by 20. The effects of skilldamage are supposed to be capped at 100, so in essence I gained 7 skilldamage points. It turns out it's not actually capped, but I figured Mur was still working on putting the cap on it, therefore it would soon enough just be capped at 100. So you think I threw this thing just for 7 skilldamage stats? I get 6 just from a single shop reset.

Lets also take a look at my battling history over the past I don't know, 5 months? Take a good look at how little I battle. Why would I possibly care if I gained a few more points in skilldamage if I often don't even attack the same person more than 5 times in a day? Hell, i doubt I usually attack the same person even three times a day now. I even look at Ignnus sometimes and say "screw it" before deciding to just go idle instead of attacking him.

So answer me this, where do you people get off saying that I effectively set this up just so I could win it and gain more skilldamage? Skilldamage is pretty damn worthless to me, and despite what other players might say, I have no ability to see into the future. There's not only no proof, but there is also no motive for me trying to set this up so I could specifically win, at least when it comes to skilldamage. I didn't have the golden medal yet, but I'll tell you in the next few sentences how little I cared whether I won this thing or not.

Guess how active I was during this entire BHC. You done guessing? I was active between 3-8 percent of the time. Do you realize how incredibly easy it would have been for people to beat me in this? GoE,SendtoMur'sgate (whatever that spell is called), Lighthouse, tea, alliances, cooperation. i could have been beaten so damn easy it's ridiculous. Lightsage actually came to my location in the east when I was sleeping and gave me his ball of heads through Roleplay. The few times I actually got sent to the GoE was when I had just gotten home and was checking my computer. Bummer for Seig on that one.

You can even ask Lightsage or Shadow about it. I mentioned to both during the competition that I was leaving to go to some parties. That's what I do. I'm not interested in staying around sitting at the computer all day, and I especially wouldn't give MD that much attention. My MD addiction is buried in the past.

"You quoted that Mur asked you to run BHC's every X months. Do not do
> that. The purpose of your role is not to run BHC for the sake of running
> it."

Mur told me to run side events every two months and a BHC every four months. I said "No," because I thought that was too soon for a BHC, so I decided to throw them every six months. 6 months gives people plenty of time to train and get their stuff in order, and I don't consider it that short of a time period. I was willing to go a little farther than Mur wanted, but I won't go that far.
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"> Mur gave you permission to do what you want with the BHC. That means
> doing anything within reason. It also means you are fully responsible
> for anything you do. As BHC organiser it is your job to source rewards
> and deal with the whole of the BHC accordingly. This means that if you
> want a reward from us you must contact us, and get it approved before
> announcing it. If you announce it earlier without our approval we may
> deny it. We know the relative worth of all the creatures in MD whereas
> you do not have access to this information. If you announce
> items/creatures before our approval we shall assume you are giving them
> out yourself. In addition, it is your job to give out the rewards once
> we have given them to you. Before announcing a BHC you must email us the
> details of any special rewards you want to issue that need us to issue
> them to yourself and then await a confirmation of our agreements on the
> details of it. For this reason we advise you provide us details more
> than the 5 days prior to the event you emailed us this time. If your BHC
> does not need support from us then you can run it as fast as you like."

I was told that if he was ever unreachable when I was going to throw a BHC I could email the council the details and that was it. I specifically asked along the lines of, "Do I have to wait for them to get back to me before throwing the BHC or side event?", and I was told that I didn't have to wait.

You guy's weren't informed of that? Too bad, you're the council, you should already be informed of this stuff. It's not my problem that you leaders don't have your stuff together. Trust me, I'm not the only player who thinks of you guy's like that.
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"> We also ask you (as we believe you have already been asked) not to
> participate to win the BHC, we feel you should not participate to win as
> you cannot fairly judge and be a member of the contest. People should
> not be complaining about your authority in BHC, which they do have a
> point to complain about if you are running in it and disqualifying
> people. Although, in ignnus case, we did remove him from a location as
> well, so we agree entirely with your action here. As was intended you
> can still compete in the contest for fun and to make the contest more
> challenging. If it is necessary we will, but we hope that in future you
> manage the contest better so that we do not ever have to mechanically
> implement it so that you physically cannot win the contest if you
> compete in it."

I was told I could participate, so I do. I have no memory of being told not to compete to win. I value Mur's words over everyone else's anyway, so it wouldn't really matter. Also, this is supposed to be a contest to determine the best of the best right? If I'm not breaking any of the rules I set in place, you should allow the others to compete against the best of the best. I'm not going to just compete to compete. I'm not going to compete without any chance of me being able to win whatsoever, that means I automatically lose, and someone who isn't the best falsely receives a medal for being the best, only because one of the very best couldn't compete. Why don't we just rename the competition to HC2 and give everyone medals already.

I can't fairly judge and be a member of the contest? Have I ever broken any of the rules I set up for the competition? Let's see... nope. I don't go into restricted locations, do anything that prevents me from being attackable, or anything else I ever put in place that could have possibly altered the competition in an unnatural way.

When I was accused of once being unnatackable because an Elu was popping up on my def I immediately gave it to DST.

I believe the majority of people feel I've been fair when it comes to dealing out punishments for any of my events. The people who getr punished obviously aren't too happy, but what I notice in chat tends to show me that people agree with my decisions.

I don't see any reason I wouldn't be able to participate when I hold myself to the same exact rules as everyone else. Seems like your just caving to pressure from others.
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"> This BHC participants merely sat around and didn't fight to win, this
> is ridiculous to happen in the BHC, it should be a battle of the best
> fighters and not of who can sit in the Tribunal the longest. Do you
> think it would be better if the fighting was more compact? Do you think
> you could be given any tools to make BHC better?"

Aww... simply adorable. That fantasy will never happen. People can win the BHC over and over again, therefore weaker fighters and decent fighters won't believe they have any chance of beating the elites, meaning you lose a big bunch of possible fighters right there. Real life gets in the way so sometimes that cuts out some major players as well. You know what's left? Often 10 players or less. Do you know how many of them are actively fighting in the BHC? 3-6 usually. Other players tend to get bored and go do something else. At the end of the day a head contest is still a head contest. It's the HC, but anyone can participate and possibly win. You want it to be statless? Alright, but it's not really going to be the best verse the best is it? The best have now been weakened 10000 fold. It's like all their grinding was for nothing. It always makes me laugh when people say "Eon should throw an HC for each different land". Do they realize how few people there are in other lands? Do they realize things would probably play out between people who generally get along well? I can imagine Loreroot's right now... "Nimrodel gives all heads to Shem, Lorerootian gives all heads to shem, Lorerootian gives all heads to Shem." We already know who the strongest is, and I highly doubt they'd really fight against each other, let alone in high numbers. I havebn't noticed Shem playing much anymore, but I'm pretty sure they'd do the same for some other Lorerootian, The same goes for all other lands. At least with my land cup event an entire land could have tried to work together and help their champion win. I saw Nimrodel giving Shem a bunch of heads, so they knew how to work together and win. I thought more people would have tried to ensure their lands champion won but I guess I was wrong about that, although it was a far better event than one would be if it was just for a single land.

People could have gotten me out of the tribunal or gotten to me very easy. It's called cooperation, along with a bunch of other things. People were either too lazy, too stupid, or they didn't want to get first place.

I like making events compact, but I like giving BHC fighters the freedom to go almost anywhere. I believe a lot of strategy can be used for chasing others, and I like to have that in the BHC. I do enjoy compact fighting, although I think it would also less sign ups overall. Who wants to be stuck in a little zone with me or anyone else like me? Weaker players at least figure they can get my heads and try to make a run for it.

No tools really come to mind. Like I said ealier, a BHC or event is basically an HC. The main difference is that they often have themes, or they have very, very small twists to them, like more points to the second stage, a longer second stage, or more head hills/head hill at a different spot. Not to mention they used to have great prizes.
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"> For your mismanagement of the BHCs to date, we have decreased your
> Trust Points by 1 and we will be removing the skill damage awarded. We
> will give you the rewards for the other participants as these issues do
> not concern them and have not come about as a result of anything they
> have done."

I'd accept that from Mur, although I don't think he'd say the same and I wouldn't really agree with him. I don't accept it from you people.

My mismanagement? I've managed the way I was told to.

You dislike the low turnouts? Like I've said a few times and I'll say again, and probably again... The BHC is essentially the HC. How does the saying go? If you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig? People bitched and moaned for another HC that they could participate in and they got it. Now no one really cares for it. I don't believe people were so blind they didn't see this coming.

You don't like the prizes I announce? Too bad, I try to do things close to what Mur has told me to. When I asked him for a GG drach for the clash of the lands side event he said something along the lines of "Okay, but that would be too small of a prize for the BHC." GG=pretty rare. pretty rare= too low for the BHC= I guess I have to go higher. Simple to understand, no?

I don't agree with the punishment obviously.

I take it you would have rather me done nothing while Lightsage idled in the MDA for an easy victory? Yeah, that's much better.


"> In regards your enquiry about use of items during your BHC, we will not
> be mechanically blocking their use. This gives you greater flexibility
> to make the contest harder or easier or even just more or less
> complicated for the participants. It is up to you to implement any rules
> for your contests and to enforce those rules.
> "

I look forward to seeing you guy's throw a competition where Seig uses his cloak the entire time. Maybe you guy's will understand how things work in MD once you start getting bitched at for allowing something so abuseable to be used.

I wouldn't kick anyone out of the contest simply because Seig, or anyone else for that matter, cloaks them and makes them unnatackable. That would be pretty ridiculous.
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"> The above email overrides everything Mur has previously told you, none
> of what he asked holds greater than the above email. If there are any
> issues with things you feel should be kept the same, please comment as
> we would like your discussion on this"

No matter what, even if you bought this game from Mur and are it's new owners, I would still value every ingle thing Mur has told me over you. I respect Mur, and I have zero respect for you. You people take forever on things that could be handled incredibly fast. I've given you solid proof on many occasions and yet you took over a month to handle most issues. You refused to even get back to me about the shared tool hoarding, or maybe it was before the council rotation, and I had to go above your heads and talk to Mur to have things handled. I know Mur was slow, but didn't he get a council together so you guy's could handle things a bit faster than he could? If you guy's can't handle the simplest things in a timely manner you should probably just step down and let people who can actually get things going in MD get the chance to do just that.

Oh, and don't worry about reducing my trust points by one. You can take them all, I resign from the position, and I promise to watch from a distance so I can watch how the number of active players in your BHC ends up dwindling down over time.

You guy's can feel awesome being on the council all you want, but keep in mind, you're the council for MagicDuel. When I put it that way it sounds a hell of a lot less impressive, doesn't it?

I'll be posting this on the forum so people know why I've resigned.


> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:48:55 +0300
> From: contact@magicduel.com
> To: x
> Subject: Re: BHC
>
>
> Hello Eon
>
> We didn't reply previously as you deemed to start the contest without
> hearing back from us. We have been reviewing BHC and it has been lacking
> in participants. There needs to be more next time if there is going to
> be a Skilldamage reward. We are open as to your comments on how to get
> more players competing.
>
> The BHC's with skilldamage are run too regularly. We have been talking
> between us and are open to a discussion as to how it can be improved,
> but we feel that they should be run less, with more small "fun"
> contests. Rewards of the BHC should be appropriate to the contest being
> run, Skilldamage is an exclusive ability right now and not to be given
> out lightly. This contest in which participation was minimal and without
> effort exerted by the players was undeserving of skilldamage as a
> reward. Instead it was a contest in which you effectively set yourself
> up to win again and receive additional skilldamage which is
> unacceptable.
>
> You quoted that Mur asked you to run BHC's every X months. Do not do
> that. The purpose of your role is not to run BHC for the sake of running
> it. If that was the purpose it would have been an automated contest like
> regular HC, running them statically merely means the number of
> participants will slowly reduce. You could have the signup times be
> delayed so that there is an adequate amount of participants each time,
> and change the contest around. You might think to run small ones for MP3
> or other specific mindpowers. The "main" BHC should be run rarely, once
> for every 3 or 4 times that a smaller one has been run. This is your
> role, but these are some of our suggestions for changes you can make to
> try to help you so as to ensure you balance participation along with
> reward and so that you can run contests of different kinds on a regular
> basis.
>
> Quote: "My job is to throw the BHC, how the winners get the prizes
> isn't my problem."
>
> Mur gave you permission to do what you want with the BHC. That means
> doing anything within reason. It also means you are fully responsible
> for anything you do. As BHC organiser it is your job to source rewards
> and deal with the whole of the BHC accordingly. This means that if you
> want a reward from us you must contact us, and get it approved before
> announcing it. If you announce it earlier without our approval we may
> deny it. We know the relative worth of all the creatures in MD whereas
> you do not have access to this information. If you announce
> items/creatures before our approval we shall assume you are giving them
> out yourself. In addition, it is your job to give out the rewards once
> we have given them to you. Before announcing a BHC you must email us the
> details of any special rewards you want to issue that need us to issue
> them to yourself and then await a confirmation of our agreements on the
> details of it. For this reason we advise you provide us details more
> than the 5 days prior to the event you emailed us this time. If your BHC
> does not need support from us then you can run it as fast as you like.
>
> We also ask you (as we believe you have already been asked) not to
> participate to win the BHC, we feel you should not participate to win as
> you cannot fairly judge and be a member of the contest. People should
> not be complaining about your authority in BHC, which they do have a
> point to complain about if you are running in it and disqualifying
> people. Although, in ignnus case, we did remove him from a location as
> well, so we agree entirely with your action here. As was intended you
> can still compete in the contest for fun and to make the contest more
> challenging. If it is necessary we will, but we hope that in future you
> manage the contest better so that we do not ever have to mechanically
> implement it so that you physically cannot win the contest if you
> compete in it.
>
> This BHC participants merely sat around and didn't fight to win, this
> is ridiculous to happen in the BHC, it should be a battle of the best
> fighters and not of who can sit in the Tribunal the longest. Do you
> think it would be better if the fighting was more compact? Do you think
> you could be given any tools to make BHC better?
>
> For your mismanagement of the BHCs to date, we have decreased your
> Trust Points by 1 and we will be removing the skill damage awarded. We
> will give you the rewards for the other participants as these issues do
> not concern them and have not come about as a result of anything they
> have done.
>
> In regards your enquiry about use of items during your BHC, we will not
> be mechanically blocking their use. This gives you greater flexibility
> to make the contest harder or easier or even just more or less
> complicated for the participants. It is up to you to implement any rules
> for your contests and to enforce those rules.
>
> The above email overrides everything Mur has previously told you, none
> of what he asked holds greater than the above email. If there are any
> issues with things you feel should be kept the same, please comment as
> we would like your discussion on this.
>
> MD Council

[awiiya]

The clock is ticking Council. You know, even though ours aren't official or in an announcement, we keep trust points for YOU too. And you're running just about empty.

Awi

[Phantom Orchid]

What a sad moment for MD. Thank you Eon for all of your effort to make this realm more exciting. Although I never participated, I am grateful for all of your hard work at organizing and running the BHC.

[apophys]

This council decision is absolutely absurd. Particularly the part about the Council overriding Mur; that I find simply laughable.



Regarding BHC, the only reason I don't enter is that the entry fee is quite steep, with not much chance of a return on your investment (particularly for me, having only 1500 attack and pretty much tokenless).
If it was free like the regular HC, or cost a renewable resource (like fenths), I'd be participating in every single one.


I find it very sad for Eon to be resigning, because in my humble opinion he managed it well. Most importantly, he won his contests fairly, without abusing his powers, and I respect that.

Edited June 14, 2012 by apophys

[Jubaris]

Wow wow wow people. We can argue a lot of council's decisions, but this one was spot on.
They presented some problems regarding BHC:
-Lack of people competing
-Conflict of interests due to Eon participating in a contest which rules he forms

All they did was point that out and offer few suggestions (and decrease a trust point from Eon, but he would have had them more left, and it's kinda deserved, because of the mentioned points and the general discontent of the public).
As soon as he got that, he rage-quits.
It is Eon's job to make the BHC work, it's not his private property.

Sure, we all understand Eon's "uneasiness" regarding council's lack of doing/fixing things, but it's the case with all of us, not just with him. There's even an urban myth that Dst and Eon get all of their requests done!

Okay, you don't like the council, but be objective.


Edit: We all know Mur is absent for quite some time, and we don't know for how much longer will it be the case. The authority of MD at the moment is the council, they are supposed to make sure things work, so, change certain details if things are going wrong in some situations. Eon hiding behind "Mur said so" and "Mur is my captain" mask is not that elegant at all.

Edited June 14, 2012 by Rhaegar Targaryen

[Fang Archbane]

It is no big secret that my character, Fang Archbane, despises the character Eon to his very core. Eons role is that of a villain, Fangs, a hero, so it makes sense.

But I will say this.

As a person, from man to Eon (whatever he/she may be) I give Eon my complete respect.

I also trust, obey, and abide by Muratus above all else, Eon and I are not that different.

I'm on your side on this one Eon... Words I never thought I'd say, but I'm not too proud to admit it.

I think the majority of MD has your back Eon, be proud of what you've done, your a great influence on us all.

[Fenrar]

I agree with Eon, respect... but I also feel that there is also a big task ahead, to get more souls in MD, and keep them. I do not agree with the way the council acts again, but I welcome the attempt to try to make things better.

Yes, we can laugh at the struggle to make the realm better. We can punish the few remaining veterans. We can leave... but it doesn't help I think. We need to build.

Edited June 14, 2012 by Fenrar

[Udgard]

[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' timestamp='1339651987' post='114696']
Wow wow wow people. We can argue a lot of council's decisions, but this one was spot on.
They presented some problems regarding BHC:
-Lack of people competing
-Conflict of interests due to Eon participating in a contest which rules he forms

All they did was point that out and offer few suggestions (and decrease a trust point from Eon, but he would have had them more left, and it's kinda deserved, because of the mentioned points and the general discontent of the public).
As soon as he got that, he rage-quits.
It is Eon's job to make the BHC work, it's not his private property.

Sure, we all understand Eon's "uneasiness" regarding council's lack of doing/fixing things, but it's the case with all of us, not just with him. There's even an urban myth that Dst and Eon get all of their requests done!

Okay, you don't like the council, but be objective.


Edit: We all know Mur is absent for quite some time, and we don't know for how much longer will it be the case. The authority of MD at the moment is the council, they are supposed to make sure things work, so, change certain details if things are going wrong in some situations. Eon hiding behind "Mur said so" and "Mur is my captain" mask is not that elegant at all.
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If it was just expressing concerns it would be alright.. but taking a trust point is a form of punishment.. for stuff in which I believe Eon is not at fault at all. He can't really have done anything regarding the lack of contestant, and he's only done things he was told to/allowed to after all. Taking a trust point here was a mistake in my opinion; I don't see which "trust" have been broken.

[Yrthilian]

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

[Jubaris]

[quote name='Udgard' timestamp='1339656744' post='114708']
If it was just expressing concerns it would be alright.. but taking a trust point is a form of punishment.. for stuff in which I believe Eon is not at fault at all. He can't really have done anything regarding the lack of contestant, and he's only done things he was told to/allowed to after all. Taking a trust point here was a mistake in my opinion; I don't see which "trust" have been broken.
[/quote]

He is supposed to find creative ways to stimulate the community, or at least pause the BHC till there is enough will of the people.
Clearly the council think he didn't give enough effort into analyzing the situation and doing what is needed to secure a, perhaps rare, but good BHC.

Maybe they are wrong, but I don't see the reason for such attitude he showed in his email.

I don't think people really support Eon in this case, they just see him as someone who said all those "nasty" things to the authority they wanted to do all this time.

I personally have a lot of issues with MD's running, council, Mur, all of them, but I don't see an issue in this case with Eon.

Edited June 14, 2012 by Rhaegar Targaryen

[stavaroiu]

In my opinion the council is right on a few aspects and are in the right for removing a trust point.

First of all the last BHC really was a joke, the only one i saw who was really trying hard was ignnus, who was later on disqualified. After that from what i saw and what Eon admitted , the top leader in the contest weren't even trying hard to win and the places 5-10 had a score of 0 or between 0 and 10. Some of the participants didn't even log in during the BHC. Places 4 and 5 were also not really trying hard to get heads, they got must of the score just by logging in and doing their thing independent of the contest. It was almost like the entire contest was rigged for the top contestants, and the others just signed up so the contest could be held, some "contest of the best" that was...

To "fix" such a situation i propose something like rising the number of minimum contestants for the BHC to start, and also something among the lines, if not at least 6 ppl are at least trying to get some score and the lower places don't score at all, the entire contest should be suspended. I mean what kind of contest is run when there are rewards for the first 3 places and there are only 3 ppl scoring in the contest?
A situation like this should fall under the responsibility of the organizer and the contest itself should have been suspended/canceled by that organizer.

[quote]Mur told me to run side events every two months and a BHC every four months.[/quote]
As for this part i don't really remember a side HC event been held beside the sugar rush. I get your point that BHC should be held every 6 month but what about these side events that should run every 2 month? I don't think they where held like they were supposed to.

And also the part about the rewards for the BHC. While the rewards should be indeed be great and fall under the organizers judgement, i don't support the attitude like "hey, this is the list of rewards for the BHC, get them ready for me" and start the contest without hearing a reply. This is almost like you are ordering around your gopher to get you a can of juice. The rewards are given by the council, so even if they take a bit longer to reply, you shouldn't just start the competition without an OK from them.


[quote]We also ask you (as we believe you have already been asked) not to participate to win the BHC[/quote]
Ok, i agree with Eon on this one, this is a ridiculous request. It is obvious that when you participate in a contest you should aim for a win, this is also one of the good parts of the BHC. You can participate as many times as you want, and win just as many times. Its not restricted to 1 time win only, so if you can, one should always aim for a win, Eon shouldn't be an exception.

Also as in most the BHC organized by Eon, the rules stated at the beginning where rather lacking and free for interpretations. Its like he didn't really care much when writing them and just wanted to get that job done as fast as possible. They should have been made more detailed.

Edited June 14, 2012 by stavaroiu

[lone wolf pup]

@stavaroiu


Boss Head Contest ended Ann. 2315 - [2012-06-03 07:00:04 - Stage 11]

Sugar Rush Started! Ann. 2190 - [2012-02-03 16:00:04 - Stage 11]

Boss Heads Contest Ann. 2113 - [2011-12-03 16:00:04 - Stage 11]

Clash of the Lands Ann. 1946 - [2011-07-30 21:00:01 - Stage 10]

Eon becomes BHC Master Ann. 1868 - [2011-06-03 23:23:41 - Stage 10]

I've participated in all of these BHC/side events since Eon became BHC Master, here's a list of active participants.
*Shemhazaj* (inactive)
Nimrodel
Dayredeemer
Eon
Shadowseeker
*MRAlyon*
Clock Master
Pipstickz
redneck
BHC Lightning (BHC with Eon)
Ravenstrider (BHC with Eon) (Inactive)
*Peace*
Manda
Lightsage (Bored after a couple of days)
Ignnus (disqualified)
and me. (Satisfied with not winning 1st)

Sorry if I missed anyone. All these players could have participated in the last BHC and aimed for first place. It's also possible for anyone with enough coins to beat Eon, anyone with a leash/tribunal citizens to reach Eon, and possible to hide in the maze with enough tea. I don't see how this is his fault for winning when no one else even bothered to participate. I probably should go ask all these players why they didn't partipate just to get the whole thing out of the way x3

Edit: It's easy to defeat Eon with a cheap, easily obtained spell.. and critter.

Edited June 14, 2012 by lone wolf pup

[Eon]

It doesn't matter how creative you are, at the end of the day the BHC essentially uses the same system as the HC. Your goal: Attack people for their heads and then run away.

1. We have a very small active community, at least to me and everyone else I speak to through the forum and yim, along with what I witness others say in chat.

2. Not many members of the MD community are super active fighters. Yes, you have the small group of people who actively train all the time, but it's really not all that much. A lot of members seem to be mostly into roleplay and questing when one they like comes up. These guy's tend to set up exp loss defenses for people who enjoy training, and also train their own creatures from time to time, but I'd hardly call people like that people who are really into the whole mindless fighting thing. I'd call them go with the flow types, and people who wouldn't really be interested in sitting at the computer around the clock hunting and hiding.

3. Like I wrote earlier, the BHC system is basically the same as the HC. You attack people for heads and run away. This is exactly how the game is played, although you do get to roleplay heads in the BHC. Now does it really seem like such a small community with an even smaller group of fighters would get a large turnout in a BHC event? No, it sounds like the event would get an extremely small turnout.

Don't try to tell me I should have been creative. Putting the heads hill in a different spot wouldn't have made the event much more fun. Making it strictly in one small location wouldn't have made it much more fun. That last one would probably decrease the amount of fighters even more. Imagine how many mirror rits would be used up on me or lightsage if we all fought fairly close to each other. Fighters would either go broke from buying mirror stones or they'd just have to give up since they wouldn't really be able to take us most of the time, at least in the beginning. Let's also not forget that being stuck in a small area with skilldamage around and actively being used tends to be a turnoff for most.

I believe it's fairly easy to see that unless the system was changed drastically on a regular basis, it's just going to get stale for most people. Maybe I'm wrong, but if people think I am then they should try to apply to be the new Boss Heads Master. Let's see how many people you guy's can bring to the table.

Why didn't I suspend the contest before it started? There are no refunds in the BHC (I didn't make up the rule, and I also don't get any of the coins/items people give to enter), and I didn't feel it would be fair to the fighters who already signed up.

Why not say "This BHC/side event won't start before 20 people sign up"? Do you realize how long that would take? Like we've seen time and time again, the majority aren't even interested in participating fully. So the people who are truly interested should wait until everyone else who isn't that interested shrugs and say's "What the hell, I may as well try to help this thing get going." That could be a waiting period of many months, and when it finally starts the players who might have been extremely interested in competing could very well have other things to do and won't have the time to compete anymore.

I wasn't looking to screw players over in the BHC, so the chance of me suspending the competition and saying "Sorry, you just wasted a gold coin for nothing," wasn't likely to happen.

With so little demand for the BHC it's probably best that it just get's removed from the game. It'll always end up coming down to about 3-6 active players (I'm feeling generous, otherwise I'd probably put it at 3-4)

My punishment was deserved? I really don't see it that way. I'm the type who usually follows guidelines to a T. I was given guidelines, and I wanted to follow them for the most part. Mur considers this game his life's work, or so he say's on the forum, and I feel I should follow it the way he outlined for me. You can say "you should have improved on it and made it better," but I'd like to point you back to the top of my post where I outline how easy it is to see how boring the same type of system for a fighting event becomes over time, and I'd love to see someone step up and prove me wrong.

My punishment came from me following guidelines I was given when I received my role, and possibly for the community not being interested in competing in a copy of the same system as the HC while now having to fight against the strongest players in the game. If more punishments would follow low turnouts/few people actively competing or something else that is bound to happen pretty much every single time, I have no doubt I would have lost a trust point for every next BHC, and possibly any side events in the future. There is no point if their just itching to rid me of my trust points.

If you want sugar coating I suggest you visit a candy shop. I am very blunt when I speak or write to people, and I've exchanged so many messages with the council on a number of subjects that I will no longer speak "nicely" to them. It's like when you call up the customer service hotline for a product you recently bought and then you get some guy in India who has very little knowledge of the product, puts you on hold for a long period of time, and then all of a sudden after waiting for 45 minutes the call gets dropped, or he/she just hangs up. You then call back and eventually give them a piece of your mind because your fed up with them.

Yrth, you walked away from kingship because you couldn't handle me. You also "threw the rattle out of the pram" (I'm guessing that means threw a temper tantrum) because I was given a medal for slaying you. I'll say the same to you, It's probably best you walked away, because you obviously didn't care about GG, right? I mean, if anyone walks away they automatically didn't care about their previous role, at least that seems to be the way you see things, or that was my interpretation of what you wrote.

Let's also remember that I respected my power enough not to abuse it, while you on the other hand abused your power and lost a trust point. You could claim I abused my power by winning, but in actuality I never used any of my BHC abilities (I really only have the legislator to move people to my location or scatter them) to win that contest. I just walked into the TB and idled while everyone did their own thing, and even got a present from lightsage. I have a strong feeling the majority of people don't believe I actually abused my power to win.

[Shadowseeker]

Why I didn't participate? I knew I could, but I currently do not have enough interest in MD is one reason, the other being that I prefer to use absolute trickster wins. Restricted location was the first option for me, since it used very little preparation. The other methods...I know how to do it, but it's bothersome, and there is no point tipping my hand unless I really have a good chance at winning.

The prizes were lower this time, and I had the BHC medal already..just getting it gold and a morph would hardly be motivating for me.

If you ask me, HC should only run 1 time per year. The turnout is too low otherwise. BHC might be 6 months if enough people turn up, which currently is not the case. ignnus was on his way to winning this one...it's just that he broke the rules in an obvious way and light gave up early, so it wasn't even any competition anymore.

[ignnus]

[sub]I'll add this extremely useless information here:[/sub]
[quote]he broke the rules in an obvious way[/quote]
[sub]I lashed out since my rule breaking was not very obvious to me.A pm from Eon,don't set afoot at field of fear again during BHC or I will "delete" you with your heads and stuff!,like Eon did the pathkeeper "idling" Manda would be enough to shut me up in this case.That didn't happen so I was surprised to see being deleted and responded.Whatever it's in the past.[/sub]

[Chewett]

[quote name='awiiya' timestamp='1339635828' post='114682']
The clock is ticking Council. You know, even though ours aren't official or in an announcement, we keep trust points for YOU too. And you're running just about empty.

Awi
[/quote]

as an interesting point, with mur gone, if you depose council rashly, what do we do now?

Its all well and good saying "i think X should replace Y" and i disagree with some of the things they are doing, but if you remove the only other people who have the power, and more importantly, the ability, to add new features, you essentially leave MD to stagnate?

Food for thought. I might not like decisions made, but i acknowledge that decisions being made and MD moving in some form of direction, is much better than the whole project being abandonded? Or would you prefer that?

[Liberty4life]

mur gone?

[Seigheart]

Mur is on hiatus to deal with his personal life.

Council is in power. BUT, I do NOT think Council over rules anything Mur has said, unless it is something that has changed. (rules and such)

[Chewett]

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1339698829' post='114757']
Mur is on hiatus to deal with his personal life.

Council is in power. BUT, I do NOT think Council over rules anything Mur has said, unless it is something that has changed. (rules and such)
[/quote]

Not according to this Sieg:


Ann. 1688 - [2010-12-01 22:45:18 - Stage 10]
I also grant the council authority to judge over my actions in MD regarded as a demi-god player (like Tengri was for example), as opposed to the untouchable status of a god-like character. It will never be the case that i will argue with the council, i know that, but its an important official statement to make clear the hierarchy. Its also important to know that my actions from now on do not reflect the ideology, aspirations and things MD as a now selfsustaining organism values

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i thought there was some announcement about council "taking over" from mur, but that was the most relevent one i could find

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actually thats quite open to interpretation, seems there was never a clear announcement one way or another...

[Liberty4life]

i think murry meant that he as character mur is now lower rank than council, but as manu he is still in charge, so yeah....

[Chewett]

[quote name='Liberty4life' timestamp='1339703326' post='114767']
i think murry meant that he as character mur is now lower rank than council, but as manu he is still in charge, so yeah....
[/quote]

yeah, i agree with ya.

But say awiiya goes aheads and demotes council... with no murry for now, what happens lol

[Fyrd Argentus]

[quote name='ignnus' timestamp='1339692697' post='114750']
[sub]I'll add this extremely useless information here:[/sub]

[sub]I lashed out since my rule breaking was not very obvious to me.A pm from Eon,don't set afoot at field of fear again during BHC or I will "delete" you with your heads and stuff!,like Eon did the pathkeeper "idling" Manda would be enough to shut me up in this case.That didn't happen so I was surprised to see being deleted and responded.Whatever it's in the past.[/sub]
[/quote]

I have to say, from the peanut gallery, what I saw was "ANYTHING GOES". I guess they didn't really mean it.

[Shadowseeker]

It used to be that, like with a lot of different things in MD...until people abused it or complained too much about certain things. Nowdays it is much much more restrictive.

[awiiya]

From my point of view, there's no way for us to directly overthrow the Council - there's no game mechanic, no weapon we can kill them with etc. etc. etc.

But we can make it very clear that we disapprove of their actions and would like a change. And if that change doesn't take place, a Council without the support of its game base is as good as dead.

I myself don't really have the power to say, "Now the Council is gone." And poof. They would be.

But I do think that if we banded together and made our opinions well known and organized, and that is what I plan to do shortly, and made it clear that they need to change their ways or leave, then I think some good can be achieved.

With that in mind:

http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/12479-the-council-meeting/

Awi

[Liberty4life]

yeah i agree if nothin else then council seat rotation should happen now, current council roster didnt change for quite some time, and imo it is time for it already