Ivorak

[size="3"][color="#000000"][font="Calibri"]I would very much like to see that neg-repping was restricted to the contents of a post and not was used as a weapon against people one doesn’t like. It is unbelievable childish to do so, especially since most of us here are adults.[/font][/color][/size]

[size="3"][color="#000000"][font="Calibri"]I would therefore ask the people who do so – and I’m sure they know for themselves – to stop this petty behaviour. [/font][/color][/size]

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[quote name='Fang Archbane' timestamp='1346712230' post='121395']
I think Seigheart should live for a couple of reasons.

1) hes my Boss, and i need the head of the Treasure Keepers to run my job smoothly.
2) hes my friend, and seeing him incapacitated hurts me.
3) the community needs him, whether they like to admit it or not. hes an important part to Quest Hosting, and Mur trusts him, so the community should to (or at least thats my honest opinion)
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1) Subjective reason. I, as a normal player, don't care if your internal system is so badly defined that you can't work without your boss.
2) Subjective reason. I can't care less who your friends are or what they do especially if they are not my friends.
3) Incorrect. The community doesn't need TKs. It was just one of Mur's crazy ideas. I haven't seen any improvement in quests creation since TKs were formed. Even more, I've seen more stress and arguments since they were formed because TKs can't do their job good (even when fenrir was alive). Players used to do quests and sponsor them from their own pockets. Today it's the same: if a player wants to start a quest he/she must be sure he/she can provide a reward (even if it's just few silver coins) because he/she has no guarantee that TKs will sponsor his/her quest.
So bottom line: stop the bs with "I can't do my job cause I am dead". You were unable to do your job even when you were alive. Why? Cause you're incompetent.

Have a nice day!

If we're going to throw a resistance factor in there, would I be invincible considering 99 percent of MD couldn't put up much resistance at all against my character? Would I kill 100 percent of the time?

There has been a lot of concern recently over regular killing of players, mostly resulting in discussion of resurrection practices.

Is it feasible that we could increase the risk of killing? One idea I have is make a kill attempt a roll of the dice. A good roll results in success, a bad roll results in failure, and there should also be a chance for the killer to die. Imagine I try to kill Seigheart with a stone dagger and he fights back and I perish by my own weapon.

Another possibility would be to incorporate spells or items that could cause the same effect. Seigheart tries to kill me but I have cast a mirror enchantment which causes his kill spell to target himself. This could possibly even be added to mirror ritual spell as an added effect.

Possibly I could have an item in my inventory that improves my chance of reversing a kill spell.

It seems that an inherent risk of death would make me think twice before attempting to kill someone else.

Your thoughts?

(Thanks for being my dummy, Seigheart)

Telling someone who is in a position to learn, with the teller (cough cough dst cough cough lib as well cough cough) in a position to teach, to break off from the group and lose that position without using it is (cough very cough) disappointing and fist-clenchingly hurtful.

If you can't recognize a difference in assumptions, the appropriate response is NOT to assume stupidity. Ignorance, maybe...

Seig is in a position where he thinks the revival quest needs additional sponsorship, yet has a personal stake. The appopriate solution is that this muchneeded sponsorship come from another source (probably not council unless absolutely necessary):

But somehow all those who could do thhis have a personal stake....AGAINST SEIGHEART...putting him in a REALLY AWFUL position.

Hope I am right or at least not impossible to understand or correct.

[size=1]Edited to avoid promoting violence.[/size]
[size=1]Re-edited to promote netiquette at request of moderator.[/size]

So nobody has been revived by this new method created specificly to revive people?
It seems like people need a little more motivation then, ex. a wishpoint. Whether or not Seigheart gains from this (which there's no guaruntee he will) I think he's doing a good thing sponsoring the quest.

I was being sincere as well. I am ALWAYS happy to help newbies explore the East. Not once have I turned down a newbie asking for me to help them through the East.

as far as Pickles go, being that im the Pickle Apprentice, i can try to get us as many pickles as Fyrdly possible for the next journey, assuming im alive, just make sure to send me a PM.

and, seeing as im a member of the Lands of the East, i think my 91 loyalty would help, assuming i took the first step each time >.> (unless someone participating has higher LotE Loyalty than me?...)

either way. if im alive, my services are yours to enjoy. send me a pm with your thoughts and whatnot Ack.

this wasn't exactly Eon's doing...
anyone who'se getting close to item dispatch locations are sent back to GoE when they're going to be sent back (reset) so no one will get an unfair advantage.
That's all there is to it.

EDIT :

f. Find Fyrd. He's usually at Windy's pub. On his Q page (or on the signpost outside Windy's) you'll find his quests & riddles. You get rewarded with pickle points, which can be traded for pickles or other rewards.

EDIT 2 : neg rep? seriously? I just told you WHY you were telported out.

*Not sure if this should be here, or in the market forum section*

In lieu of the upcoming festival of war and remembrance, I am very willing to commission services of the MDNP or from freelance journalists.
I have noticed that being absent for a total of 5 months of the past year, that I have a gap in my source material concerning players who may have done outstanding features.

I wish for a condense information packet (less than 1 A4) on EON, BFH Lightning, Rhaegar and Seigheart at negotiable silver prices.
I also wish for a introductory packets (1 paragraphs) on players you may think are worthwhile.
For this, I require some proof, or possible witnesses (forum posts, their friends), BUT, if I deem it not good enough, no silver.

It is totally okay to send stories about yourself, please contact me in this topic, or send me a message via the forum.


I am also looking towards a more permanent partnership or even open source cooperation, towards the vetting of the legends in my ubiquitous and arbitrary list of legends. To increase accountability, transparency and to introduce more acceptable criteria, and therefore increase acceptance overall.

Alright, so I made the mistake of beginning to arrange an expedition through the east, and not thinking about the extent of the barriers to such an expedition. Most notes are not meant for this medium.

We met at the Tribunal Gates, east of Wind's Game and the Plains of Deceit, at 22:00. You can get there by heading right at the gates of Marind's Bell.


It will be a long, long tour, but:

(1) You will have company.

(2) The presence of said company will expedite the tour, if things organize correctly and deliberately.

(3) Those who come, move together.

Any who wish to come, please come! The more the merrier. Any who wish to contribute, please say so! And better yet, come along.

This may take a while. A path will be cleared, though, so if you can come late, do so. I'll be updating this post with the path we've taken and any other details that seem important.

All pickle, tea, and kake donations for trailblazing purposes are welcome.

Again, Tribunal Gates, 22:00. Preliminary work to clear the path to the gates is under way.


List of participants:
Chewett
Samon (Citizen of Lands of the East)
AmberRune
Ivorak
Rumi
Plix Plox
Eara Mereia
Master of Mar
Dante Lionheart
magma
Possibly Eon, hard to know, Eon being so quiet.
DarknessRevealed i.e. Lib

Rester locations:
Ascent -- Master of Mar, Eara Mereia

August 20
22:19:00: Team departs from the gates, arriving at the Plains of Liberty. Eon seems to be hovering, carrying 134 tea. We do not buy any tea.

22:30: Proceeded to the foundations.

23:14: Proceeded to the ascent.

23:51: Stepped in to the ascent stairs...
Chewett is attacked by Eon.
Samon is attacked by Eon.
Eon sightings conclude.

00:38:Party proceeds to the statue hall steps.

00:56: Eon sends us all back to the gazebo. Not 100% sure why.

01:04: Notes to self.

10:00: Friend sends emotional PM about how Eon and dst are ruining the community.

a. Next expedition will not be forum publicized.
b. List of participants will not be publicized.
c. I am not going to become an mp5 any time soon.
d. Time will be specifically tailored to avoiding eon:
e. Learn to make tea.
f. Find pickles.
g. Find cake.
h. Find time when most LoE citizens are online.
i. Super special evil secret additional thing, not actually at all related to this in motivation or effect.

In my opinion, the market section has a far greater reach then the mood panel. You can do a better presentation of your goods if you are not limited to 70 characters, more people read it, it doesn't vanish, and it's a lot easier to track offers, because those don't vanish, either.
Also, as far as i know, there are no ingame punishments for attempted frauds, while i think those should definitely exist on the forum.

The Central Market makes trading a lot easier, because both supply and demand know that they can go there for most of their needs. It's like a stock exchange, if you wish. The stocks could be sold without a stock exchange, but it's way easier for buyer and seller to meet in NYSE than in the backyard of their homes. In turn for the benefits of the centralized market, they have to obey stricter rules than in other places.

If Joe posts a topic saying "I'm gonna sell you a grasan with 20 million heat" and it turns out to only have 6500 heat when you get it, Joe would not only be punished in-game, but on the forum as well. If Steve does the exact same, but using PMs or mood panel instead, he gets off with only the in-game punishment. That does not make sense.

The forum rule is a preventative measure that is unnecessary, when you take into account that not only do people get the system punishments, but social pressure and bad trading reputation as well. Best case scenario if you do this, you prevent the one or two people who actually try something, worst case scenario, you warn/punish a bunch of people who've done nothing strictly wrong and may have good intentions, and make plenty of people frustrated.

I don't like the idea of punishing somebody on the forum for something they did in-game. Banning from the market section, maybe, though that is quite harsh, but general forum warning points, no.

[url="http://magicduel.com/pages/trial.jaco_vs_granos.php"]Jaco Vs Granos[/url]

If somebody is cheated, I would suggest going to the Council and posting about it on the forum.

[quote name='Phantom Orchid' timestamp='1345304309' post='120402']
And what does this have to do with the topic of this thread?
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The connection is obvious. Fang wanted dst to start insane rumors, and knew that anything he could imaginably do would lead dst to do this.

So dst was the pawn all along!

I do not believe Fang was killed for being a TK nor for his association with you.

In real life, the possession of stolen property is generally only a crime if the buyer knows it to be stolen. I did not know that, despite your allegations to the contrary.

Oh, wait, you're defending Fang after he stole something for you? That makes even less sense.

I did not offer to buy your leash from Fang. I merely suggested he give it to me before he died because I was not aware that the dead could transfer items. Knowing that my blade would end his life (at least for a while) I thought that was one way I could alleviate his predicament (in the event that you should require the leash to be moved about; I'm sure you don't like being stuck in one place).

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1345261281' post='120375']
Ivorak, you had no intentions on helping me out. Your general attitude towards me is hostile at the very best.

As far as your statement about not being against the law to buy stolen property because you "didn't know". That's not true. Look it up. You'll be in for a big hurt if you are caught receiving stolen property. It's illegal.

If he sold it, then yes, he would have stolen it, because the condition that, if he held on to it/used it, he CAN NOT trade it to anyone but myself.

And Fang was killed for not giving you my leash. Get real.
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I may have left out the second ’e’ in your name once. Rest assured this was an error, not a slight against your person. I bear you no great enmity. I'm not sure why you think otherwise; we have had very few interactions and I don't recall any hostility.

Please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods. Perhaps you are not from the U.S., Scotland, or Canada. But I am. Regardless, since there is no game rule to the contrary, I think I can be excused for something I did not do, and did not know I did not do, and which is technically legal.

I'm not entirely sure why Fang was killed, but it was not for your leash. It really isn't much use to me. Did you really think I like hauling around corpses, especially ones that talk back?

To all those reading this, consider that there's more to this than you think there is. Perhaps more than I think there is.

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1345261281' post='120375']
Ivorak, you had no intentions on helping me out. Your general attitude towards me is hostile at the very best.

As far as your statement about not being against the law to buy stolen property because you "didn't know". That's not true. Look it up. You'll be in for a big hurt if you are caught receiving stolen property. It's illegal.

If he sold it, then yes, he would have stolen it, because the condition that, if he held on to it/used it, he CAN NOT trade it to anyone but myself.

And Fang was killed for not giving you my leash. Get real.
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I may have left out the second ’e’ in your name once. Rest assured this was an error, not a slight against your person. I bear you no great enmity. I'm not sure why you think otherwise; we have had very few interactions and I don't recall any hostility.

Please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods. Perhaps you are not from the U.S., Scotland, or Canada. But I am. Regardless, since there is no game rule to the contrary, I think I can be excused for something I did not do, and did not know I did not do, and which is technically legal.

I'm not entirely sure why Fang was killed, but it was not for your leash. It really isn't much use to me. Did you really think I like hauling around corpses, especially ones that talk back?

To all those reading this, consider that there's more to this than you think there is. Perhaps more than I think there is.

What are infraction points?

Sounds good enough... I suppose its a bi product of seigheart's Leash thread. Though I dont see any harm in values being higher than the ones mentioned. So for instance, If a person forgets to mention increase in the value of stored heat in a crit by chance, I think he shouldnt be banned for it >>

I do not believe Fang was killed for being a TK nor for his association with you.

In real life, the possession of stolen property is generally only a crime if the buyer knows it to be stolen. I did not know that, despite your allegations to the contrary.

Oh, wait, you're defending Fang after he stole something for you? That makes even less sense.

I did not offer to buy your leash from Fang. I merely suggested he give it to me before he died because I was not aware that the dead could transfer items. Knowing that my blade would end his life (at least for a while) I thought that was one way I could alleviate his predicament (in the event that you should require the leash to be moved about; I'm sure you don't like being stuck in one place).

I do not believe Fang was killed for being a TK nor for his association with you.

In real life, the possession of stolen property is generally only a crime if the buyer knows it to be stolen. I did not know that, despite your allegations to the contrary.

Oh, wait, you're defending Fang after he stole something for you? That makes even less sense.

I did not offer to buy your leash from Fang. I merely suggested he give it to me before he died because I was not aware that the dead could transfer items. Knowing that my blade would end his life (at least for a while) I thought that was one way I could alleviate his predicament (in the event that you should require the leash to be moved about; I'm sure you don't like being stuck in one place).

I do not believe Fang was killed for being a TK nor for his association with you.

In real life, the possession of stolen property is generally only a crime if the buyer knows it to be stolen. I did not know that, despite your allegations to the contrary.

Oh, wait, you're defending Fang after he stole something for you? That makes even less sense.

I did not offer to buy your leash from Fang. I merely suggested he give it to me before he died because I was not aware that the dead could transfer items. Knowing that my blade would end his life (at least for a while) I thought that was one way I could alleviate his predicament (in the event that you should require the leash to be moved about; I'm sure you don't like being stuck in one place).

I do not believe Fang was killed for being a TK nor for his association with you.

In real life, the possession of stolen property is generally only a crime if the buyer knows it to be stolen. I did not know that, despite your allegations to the contrary.

Oh, wait, you're defending Fang after he stole something for you? That makes even less sense.

I did not offer to buy your leash from Fang. I merely suggested he give it to me before he died because I was not aware that the dead could transfer items. Knowing that my blade would end his life (at least for a while) I thought that was one way I could alleviate his predicament (in the event that you should require the leash to be moved about; I'm sure you don't like being stuck in one place).

I do not believe Fang was killed for being a TK nor for his association with you.

In real life, the possession of stolen property is generally only a crime if the buyer knows it to be stolen. I did not know that, despite your allegations to the contrary.

Oh, wait, you're defending Fang after he stole something for you? That makes even less sense.

I did not offer to buy your leash from Fang. I merely suggested he give it to me before he died because I was not aware that the dead could transfer items. Knowing that my blade would end his life (at least for a while) I thought that was one way I could alleviate his predicament (in the event that you should require the leash to be moved about; I'm sure you don't like being stuck in one place).