Muratus del Mur

Once i had a website dedicated to such things, like errors on famous sites, copied sites, and more...so when i saw this one today i thought to share it with you .. anyone can get a google server error page or something? would be cool.

k upload again (by author).

Because it is a long post, i will answer only to the things that have a less obvious answer. [quote]I was told by a veteran player when I first began playing MD, that the whole Game was just an experiment to test your Ideas, and that all the players were nothing more to you than test subjects.[/quote] I don't say its not, in fact, i said that myself several times, in public, more like a joke, or less joke...yet, after 5 years of md, does it realy look like i am using _ANYONE AT ALL_ as a guinea pig for testing? MD is something i learn from, i am testing my ideas, but also learning new ones from what is happening. I am sometimes altering situations to see reactions, like giving someone full power to see how he reacts and whats the first thing he does with it. From this kind of LEARNING ..to say that MD players are NOTHING MORE THAT TEST SUBJECTS, its a long long distance. It offends me deeply, it makes me furious. I suppose you enjoyed events such as Christmas in md, or me drunk and having fun with people, considering me a cold maniac that sees you all as test subjects...sad I consider md sort of my big big friends group,,,i dare to say even part of my family..hard yo explain you , now, why. People that know me in md, know what i mean, people close to me, know why. I will probably consider you a test subject from now, since that is what you think of me anyway. Listen to this, because it applies outside Md... EVERYBODY is a test subject, but to learn something out of that "test" You need to respect and understand them first. I learn from anyone, you name them test subjects, i name them individual minds. [quote]I saw (and this is my personal point of view) much that was designed into the game to be based upon personal gain and achievement and many aggressive emotions like greed and self interest. I sought to influence the game to create systems that would encourage personal achievement through self sacrifice and service to others.[/quote] wow owow wow ..as much as i wanted to reply kindly to this post, because i went a bit to angry (more than you deserve) at first, this makes me angry. You think what is in md, from a gameplay point of view, is based on greed and self interest? I would say patience, curiosity, patience, adaptation, patience, respect, creativity but not madness, friends interaction, and a deep feeling of "collecting". Personal achievement , of course, but as you said about me, you took that out of context, a lot. You want self sacrifice and service to others? Do you realy not see it already? hmmm... i wont even bother to explain where to look, there are way to obvious example to be given here. [quote]And so I sought you out in marinds toilet, of all places, and asked that you allow us in Loreroot to create a NPC character god that could act as a Wodin like player that the leaders of that land would be able to play, and a religion based on that character, that players could choose to worship like a MP6 by sacrificing heat to. Obviously, for this we would require your assistance to create the mechanism. If you remember your initial reaction to the idea of a religion was negative but then you saw possibilities in a MP6 NPC system…and so you told us to go ahead and work on it but that we would have to wait until you had the time, to implement it…[/quote] I was never narrow minded to say no to any good idea. But, what i always say, to anyone, is that you need to learn to use existing featues to achieve or materialise your idea. You will be surprised with how many people i talk, (IF they have anything to say and not just hi and question me about how was my morning). With you there was always a problem to communicate, always. You always asked others to tell me things you wanted me to know, almost never yourself. I thought you are shy, but you are not, so not sure what kept you to communicate with me. If i remember right, i explaiend to one , not sure who, but a big player, how your wishes could have been done using existing features. While others managed to use the little things available to do miracles with them, you decided to wait and blame the system that is not providing you enough tools to create what you wanted. The root god idea, is now the heat on clickables feature, so years after, i kept my path and did as i say to develop md incorporating interesting ideas that people sent me. Of course i cant do custom work for you so you can do your quests as you want, but so many managed to adapt to what it is, why couldnt you? [quote]We continued to work on it as we waited for you, and then I had the idea of tying in the “ancient histories” as you later called them, into the whole back story of our god who we named Root. I understand that this has become a huge point of contention to you, but we did not do it to cause you trouble, we acted on what we thought was a sanctioned project. If we had known, if you had said something, but of course you had no way of knowing…or if we had been able to speak to you, which at the time was very difficult[/quote] I am sorry to dissapoint you, but ancient lore is NOT what you wrote. What i define as ancient lore are aticles written by adi to explain things that he knew partially or that he made up based on things me and him discussed while talking about the story. In the "show of force" article , i explained who killed marind and why the ancient lore was so damaging, among other things. What you did, and what many still continued after, was to incorporate in MD "ancient lore" stories of your own, that had nothing to do with the core story of md. There is a point for things in md to be as they are. Some people discover those reasons, and see the machinery behind md logic. You chose to build your own stories around it and consider them as part of that lore. Maybe now you realise the mistake. My mistake was to ignore the importance and influence of such actions in time. [quote]As for the Logan and Amoran, they came to me after I had left in YM and asked me many questions about the game. And yes I told them my Beliefs about the game being an experiment to prove your ideas, the different levels of the game, and about how I had been told about it, and all I had seen for myself. I did not “Initiate” the resulting conflict between you and them. I am not responsable for what other people do. And as for my part, I was very sad to hear of it. I still see Md the same way. So again you are right. [/quote] I dont thing anyone with brain can be bad intended or have evil intentions against something like MD. Thats why i cant blame you for doing anything wrong on purpose, thats clear. Even with good intentions some things may end up in a tottaly wrong way, as you can see. Unfortualty intentions don't really matter when the conclusions and results of them are set. [quote]I still think you use it to test your ideas and that you and others are “"playing with us", not playing“"with"”us.[/quote] Does it change anything if i say you are right? ...i don;t think so. And i also don;t think that supposing that entitles you to judge me as a cold soul experimentalist. It is an idea taken out of context as you say. The fact i experiment my ideas in md, like the dna thing for example, doesn't change the fact that i care for people in md, as players and friends, and i care to understand them and learn from each one, from the most annoying, to the most villain, to the mindless noob, to the creative and smart veteran. About those that "PLAY WITH YOU"...i guess you should check the forum more, now you know they are nothing more than other players that earned their god status..always anonimous...like Tengri was. The people you assume are playing with you in that way, are not people that use internet to much...so don;t worry, nobody is playing with you, but you DO play with yourselves and I do enjoy making you fall in your own assumptions...get my meaning. MD is more deep than you realised it seems, and i dont talk about vast map locations and hidden features, i talk about its mechanics and how it works, above code. Now a message only for you: creativity is nothing without freedom, same way intelligence is nothing without respect for the reality. By seeing only your goals you missed the "reality" of the md world and so you being smart was not used to its full potential. You caused your own lack of freedom, and so, your creativity was admired only by the few that entered your wall. Same like the strongest warrior needs to learn respect, you need to learn something, its up to you.i wont say.

exactly what yrth said. Not only that kings won't use their powers on issues outside their land, they can't use them on non citizens.

oh so you wanted to be baned for 5-6 month...means i can take your creatures too? :D

As much as i wish to reply to several affirmations above, i wont because its already to much offtopic. - "Lets help md, just ask.." - honestly, personal feelings that try me when i read such lines, from you or others, ..i feel like ripping your heads off... I am trying to keep an official stand and be polite , as Mur, but i am kind of empty of anymore politeness now. MD is not an [i]invalid[/i] that needs your help and your favors. The only "help" it needs is to have people that stop pity it and look with superiority as if they know anything about it. MD is a machinery, not even me know everything about it, how could anyone. The people that play it, with or without financially supporting it, those are the ones that really help it. Those that pity it and come from time to time to complain that md needs help, they are the ones that destroy it, by bringing down the moral of others, pretending "they know". This is not a persoanl attack on you BT, it is a general attack against all of those similar in beliefs with you, including you, because you people pop up from time to time when your friends in md call for your help and then pretend "you know" even if you lost contact with whats going on for a long time, prefering to stay in your own version of what you think its md. Like i said, i am done with politeness. In fact I lost part of my patience back then with the Amoran conflict, that was in fact initiated by YOU, through Logan, then amoran ended up the black sheep voicing your fancy ideas. [b]Regarding Blackwoodforest , I will revert his status later today, by demand of the king. Only thing I ask is for the kings not to play to much with this excummunication/reverting back thing. Think twice before acting once.[/b]

I woke up on the wrong side of the bed.... [quote name='Blackthorn'] As a note outside of character...I am rather dismayed at the poor and neglected condition I have found the game to be in since I returned...I have seen so few new players and even fewer active veterans. Part of the problem as I see it, is due to there being very little to role-play about. I understand Mur that you have a great need to control us for your own purpose...but I still do not understand why. You have Imagination as one of the principles of this realm, but we are told not to express it in this way or in that. The sheer number of Rules is astounding, and to be honest, I do not have the time to keep up with them all. Imagination is about freedom not control. So why so much control and intimidation? I am not writing this to disparage you but to ask in an open an honest way, why? Why can we not just play the way we want, however we want. I have read what you have written about the subject, and more...still I do not understand you or your need to control us. Why do we need kings, or a jail...not that I don't like this one...could use some curtains though, and a window to go with it...? I understand you are behind it all, but I still cannot understand your motives. At least I hope I do not...for I am acting under the assumption that you want the game to succeed. From what I see however, it seems to be dying. [/quote] As much as i wish to stay and just look at what the result of this will be, i have to answer when you derail from the subject by using myself and "how bad md became" neverending excuse to "make a point". If you plan to reply me and continue this rant about how bad my influence is on md, please do so in a separate thread so that we can discuss it without using this side topic to hide the real discussion here, about LR. [b](mods pls split this if it continues)[/b] [quote name='Blackthorn']...I have seen so few new players and even fewer active veterans..[/quote] You will be surprised why. First of all, the financial situation prevents me from keeping any onstant advertisig for md, except on the sites that i own. In better time i would flood the internet with ads, but now i can't. Second, the few new that come every day, end up in a network of fake friends that slowly start to intoxicate them about how annoying md actualy is and in a day or two they are invited to continue talks on yahoo or other messengers where that imagination you talk about is unrestricted. Third, and i have to say this even if it will be taken as an official position to a "community driven project", GGG killed it and astral plane took it in a alternate reality...WITHOUT intending to do so at all....(i had to say it) [quote name='Blackthorn']...very little to role-play about..[/quote] It is your lack of involvement that creates very little to role-play about. The moment you expect someone to give you something to rp about you can stay aside and watch other players that FIND something to rp about. If you stay outside md, you only see the things that have little to do with rp. [quote name='Blackthorn']...I understand Mur that you have a great need to control us for your own purpose...but I still do not understand why..[/quote] You make it sound as if i am some sort of puppet master. If i wanted a puppet theater i had one by now. The things i want to control are the neverending rants and bitching about how bad md is, and the intoxication of new players by a certain group, just because they run out of veteran players to brainwash, ..ooppss...i used same word as you did some time ago. [quote name='Blackthorn']Why do we need kings, or a jail[/quote] That answers your previous concern..you need them so you have something to ROLE-PLAY about. You also need them because freedom without order is generally called chaos. Thats actually some peoples problem here, they wants freedom, they want to do whatever they like, but without caring of the others. When they cant do that, they move to separate chats, or go and do it outside of md, then return and complain "how bad md became while they were away" [quote name='Blackthorn']I understand you are behind it all, but I still cannot understand your motives[/quote] Of course i am behind it all, didn't you knew that Yrth, Firs, Jester and Lifeline are all my alts? I am the evil tomato trying to controll all lands, its obvious. Md doesn't even exist, its just an illusion. I enjoy waking up in the morning and pull my hair out for whatever new scandal pops up. Seriously speaking, you don't understand my motives? I think you can just say you don't understand my involvement first, then say you don't understand my motives for that involvement. You assume i want to control all, just because the things that happen don't go in the direction you like them to go? This kind of mentality is an educated form of cowardness. Face the facts, handle what is happening, and stop blaming a greater force for it. If I want something in the realm, I do it, i dont need excuses. Ontopic: don't mistaken my support to firs and the answers against princ with a persoal friendship relationship or hate or such with any of them. I represent the higher authority the kings rely on. I respect them as leaders, because they earned their throne. I respect their citizens because they mean MD. My only problem is that ONE CITIZEN does not balance ONE KING. A king is a king because the majority of his people elected him for that. I can't allow a king to fail because he doesn't have the support or tools to rule his people and because one or the other abuse this lack of tools. (for example untill now there was no way for kings to punish citizens).

Do you really think that each time a citizen gets excommunicated from his land, he should be able to call for new elections? Where is the authority of the king then? I won't randomly allow people challenge the king, they need to get enough supporters for that to happen. A king will be challenged only if his throne becomes a danger to his land, not to an individual. The moment a king will be afraid to apply his laws in his land, that moment he will become a puppet, and puppet kings are much worse than riots.

[quote]to be realistic, Firsanthalas is the king, but he doesn't have enough "army" to put me in jail[/quote] You obviously have a wrong understanding of what a chain of command is. A king does not need an army to jail a citizen of his land. I understand your point, but it is far from making any sense in this situation. Why i say that? because it seems to me the majority of lorerootians did not riot against their king so the entire issue is more about a few that do not like the decisions of their king. [quote]he also kicked me out of the Savelites Church just like that, where I have total support, so what's realistic in there?[/quote] When a king uses the jail ability, that person gets out of that land, and by that he gets out of any ally, obviously. The action of taking you out of the ally is not delierate but it is unavoidable by the excommunication. [quote]this way he can imprison every Savelite for 2 weeks... which is really weird[/quote] Technically, a king can ask for an entire ally to be sent away from his land. It is a "king-dom", the king can and will use force if needed. Of course it is unadvisable to do any action without a good reason, and kings know that. If a king, would randomly jail anyone that he dislikes, his authority will drop and then yes he will end up alone, which is not good. From the forum posts i saw so far, there was a good reason for everyone he jailed or plan to jail next. Rhaegar, understand that elections are over , and continuing to disrespect the elected leader challenging his authority will end up in some sort of forcefull punishment, in md or in rl, it works the same way. [quote]since I can get my own invite if needed, but apparently Firsanthalas can just spam me to get back into prison, so I ask for that to be normalized[/quote] Again, you get this wrong, very wrong, the fact that you could get out of jail on your own is not something you should consider as a counter method to the excommunication. Once in jail you are no longer your kings subject, but you are in jail and braking out of there (again) will end up in muhc much worse action, this time from me. If you have a way to get into the alliance, tehnically you could do that, if you are still in jail, BUT....that will make you a citizen of LR again, and LR king specifically stated that he won't allow that. Going on this path will probably end up bad for you, because you are now an ex-citizen and he is the king. An regarding the language, "Firsanthalas can just spam me to get back into prison" .. he isn't spamming he is just using the tools he has to reinforce a rule he has the right to put as a king. If he fails to do that on his own, it means he doesnt have enough tools to reinforce his decisions as a king so i will have to provide the needed tools eventually. [quote]In my opinion, this last feature is role enforcing, and it isn't fitting, unless he defeats me or captures in a way,[/quote] Unless i missunderstand what "role enforcing" means, the new king features, that were planned for a very very long time, are exactly for that. They allow kings to reinforce their decisions. If you attack a king , verbally , physically, etc, it is not called challenge it is called treason first of all, or more. Within Loreroot, you are not equal to Firsanthalas. Maybe you think you are because you have your own group of supporters , but remember that that group of supporters are under the kings authority, regardless if they like it or not. [quote]..to your own special thing that brings many people here - that people make their own destiny in this realm without unnatural intrusions... [/quote] Let me put it in a simple way .. it is like freedom, freedom doesn't mean anyone can do anything to anybody, that is just chaos. Freedom means actually organized lack of freedom (damn, i will quote myself) .. What makes md special is not that everyone can do whatever they like, but that they can do whatever they like while having a feedback or a reaction, good or bad, from the others inside it that do "whatever they like". [quote]My goal is to rebuild Loreroot and to organize it, if you Mur and the realm give me the chance to fight for this.[/quote] I can't agree with you on this, if you care about LR you should respect its social structure and not aim to get rid of its leader so that YOU can do something else with it. You had/have that chance from within LR, and you could have done that without fighting against something, since there was nobody against you to fight with. Asking ME to give you a "chance" is like saying , fuck the king, fuck the other people in lr , i want things my way, lets ask mur for that directly. That means you do not actually respect anything in lr except what directly interests you. Otherwise you should think of asking LR to give you that chance, not ask me to override them and give you absolute power over LR "just so" ... [quote]respectfully, Rhaegar, Grand Master of the Savelites Church. [/quote] diplomacy and respectfull speaking is the right way to fight a king, since force is granted to them by default. To bad you know that only when talking to me..if you just used diplomacy and respect, maybe now you were not excommunicated from LR and in jail.

I can do an other 4 at one time, so if you like 5 it can be done asap. Also if others group together so i can order at least 4 it can be done. For people outside Romania i will require payment in advance and i can ship it within a week by whatever shipping method you prefer. Contact me on pm regarding payment and shipping, thx.

any time, who is up for a detailed test? i can enable it for chrome for a day, you should be hiper active in that day and see what things dont't work. Things that i need tested and that could go wrong are menu, stat update, refresh triggered by spells, locations with many people online, navigation, ally chat, heat store and heat load and general things throughout the interface to make sure they all look and work fine. Most problems come from flash version.

@Mya: sometimes i just don't say anything, but i listen. I have lots of requests pending that i might or i might not eventually solve, that i might or i might not eventually explain why not. Just wanted to add the middle point of the yes/no thing.

technically that shield with archer art can be used for personal purposes. Like i said, alliance logos are not made by players, i will provide them. Personal logos, art used for quests, to do flags for own quest-like contests or events, can be done anyhow you like as long as you wont spoil anything and you wont pretend they are "official" things. It can be "official" within a closed group, but its authority cant automatically spread over other groups or players. Over time, a stable enough group, that manages to survive without any help for me, will achieve its own authority..then, but only then, if needed, i can discuss what symbol it can have, or request changes in the symbol to better fit it within md. For a new or temporary group, you can place a pic of your dog as a logo , i don't care, since it is a personal and not an official one. "Can it be used as part of LR symbols?" deducting from what i said above, no, it is one of the player made symbols, so it is part of the "Lore" of "Loreroot" , together with all the things LR citizens created. From that to an official symbol of the land its long distance. So that you understand, i didn't allowed even the veteran artists in md to create symbols randomly. On top of that , that is not a symbol, is a collage. About angiens, you can use normal angiens, but not the tainted one. I don't know what to say now, but there should lots of ways to avoid spoiling but still using images to refer rare or premium creatures, like, using a small part of it, using a shadow of them like achievemnts pics look, or shifting the colors towards sepia to avoid showing them (for premium only) . Drawing your own angiens would be too cool just to replace existing pics, if you can do that, you should probably use your skill in a different way. You can use your avatar as you wish, no restrictions. Of course if you put a crown on it and pretend you are the king of a land, that will be regarded as a funny joke but nothing more. You can use other people avatars with their permission, because maybe they plan to change it soon so they dont want someone to use it yet.

The issue is as simple as it is important. It should be clear by common sense, but for the sake of having something clearly said on my part about this issue, here it is.. Images FROM MD, can be used for quest purposes, mixed together, altered, etc, as long as they are not creating confusion. No image should be used that could be considered a spoiler, like premium creatures, remote locations, achievements colored art, etc. No image from md, copied, traced, or similar can be used, for avatars. Avatars should be entirely original and not refering to any existing creature in md. Shop artworks/icons, should not be used, as they can be considered spoilers. Alliance logos will never contain art of creatures or locations, but you can't do your own alliance logos for now so this doesn;t matter for now. I recommend you try to be original, it is much more valuable to have a crappy looking but original artwork, than to copy an existing location. A very good quest or puzzle idea can be ignored or less impressive, if it uses copy pasted images, unmodified. Your common sense should tell you what things are obviously not right to do, like pretending you are the author of one or the other md artwork, when in fact you are not. I don't expect anyone will do that, but still i said it. When using location images, it would be much better to screenshot them , since if you use them with transparancy they will be easyer to steal by people outside md. Scene locations are not indexed by search engines, but player papers are, so when you place a scene location on your papers, with transparancy, someone can use it for an other purpose, and thats realy bad. If you used screenshot images, with the background canvas, it will make it harder for others to use, while they will look acceptable in your papers. Just to make sure you read one of the things above... self made art, when the case will be, will mean a lot more to me than copied art. For those that can't, using existing art, from md, BUT NOT FROM OTHER PLAYERS PAPERS, is a fast and convenient solution, that is alright unless it get in the wrong direction (use common sense to define that) Feel free ask if you are uncertain about something or if was not clear.

special cover books are here. one i keep , one goes to yrth, one to totenkopf .. one more left...who wants it? the normal hardcover one will be a bit later, i think in 10-14 days, not sure for now. (@Toten, call me to meet) P.s.: check out the pics. Whats not visible in the pics is the nice texture of the cover, it is realy a pleasure to touch

Your IP seems to be in a range of IPs that got banned. I think at some point i banned half of a country because of someone. I checked and your account seems not to be involved with the player baned. I will need to know if your IP is fixed, and if its not , what range it has. PM me your current ip and these details, as well as a full list of alternate accounts you have to compare with my list. Thanks

yes, but you will have to add to that price also the shipping from Romania to your country. Also for normal post i will send it whenever i get the time to go to the post , pack it, stamp it and all that. For fast shipping, like a curier, i can ship it as soon as its done because they come and take it. Anyway , i will post pics with it here once its done so you can see how it is. Then you can "signup" for one if you like. Of the current "stock" (4pcs) i wont have any remaining since i ordered exactly as many as i need. The cover is hand bound and they do them one by one anyway. I will have more remaining from the normal hardcover version, white one. I can't wait to see how the come out, few days till monday seem an eternity

4 fancy looking black books with gold finish will be available monday. the other normal hardcover ones will be ready in a week after that. @yrth, technically thats just in time for you

I don't have good news. This publishing/printing house replied but their prices are quite high. Please let me know if you still want it or if i should order from lulu.com lulu.com price for hardcover Format US, book price 88ron shipping 9RON per book (for bulk orderm instead of 40ron/for one) 10% discount if i get more than 15 i think, that makes it 79(book with bulk discount)+9(shipping) = 88Ron to that adds local shipping if you are not from bucharest hardcover printed here: Format A5, 65 ron for minimum order 20 books to that adds local shipping if you are not from bucharest because i need to get that many in one order i can't get both soft and hardcover so those i need your confirmation before i get the hardcover one. Special options, just to mention them: 140ron black special cover, gold corners and gold folio imprint on the cover. It is not really leather imitation, because for black it looks better on this kind of black, and i don't want it brown or red if printed with gold foil (i checked all options). Alright, these are the final prices, the current people i have on the list are: Indyra x1 dst x1 Totenkopf x2 Emerald Arcanix x1 Grido x1 (still want ? might get done before you leave) with mine that is under 10 ... not really 20 ... not sure what to do, please reply asap so i can answer them before they start to ignore my calls like the previous one. It seems the title is a decisive factor for their behaviour

for sure i will see poems with different eyes from now

I'm sure i can teach anyone coding, but i am also sure nobody should be taught poetry or it will become fake and .. constructed .. if that makes any sense.. umm, and ..just so you know...i speak better english than i write romanian ... but its nice to use my lack of language skills as an excuse...shhh don't tell anyone the only language i speak fluently is PHP ..and even that I am about to forget (i need more room for better things in there ) plus .. lets see if i can still rhyme after grido goes away, i tend to mimic other people abilities, shh..now you really didn't heard that

Heat storage on items is not (or should not) be influence-able by the editor or the user of the script. The heat is taken automatically and once stored on the item its value can't be altered. only the amount taken can be decided by the editor. It drops 1 per second same as user heat. This could be a potential "currency" or "power" indicator for future functions that can alter user stats. Items could do damage, improve stats, heal, and more, based on the amount of heat stored on them. Any editor coult take advantage of the loaded heat on an item so maybe these functions should be available only on items (mdsi_ not mds_). What could be in your opinion the equivalents in heat for things like vitality (damage and heal) , permanent stats, and other things like that. Do you see any possible issue or abuse with this? at some point mdsi_ functions will be separated from mds_ fucntions. mdsi_ will be used for items and wont be availabe on normal clickables. ...OR....maybe let them all available and hope people will use them in an appropriate way? I consider heat (and by that briskness) a very important thing because it requires activity to raise. Please correct me if i am wrong and point out situations when this is not true or how they could be fixed. these are multiple topics, i just put all of them here so you have a clue abotu the major things that concern me righ now about mdscript. As you can see mdscript is getting more and more advanced, and i have a lot more things in mind for it. feel free to split as needed and discuss each of the topics. (im not lazy... if you wonder)

i never wrote any poem before, and i have no idea what a poem should be structured like, but i am shocked (thats not a to big word) ..actually deeply shocked, of what one could do with a poem. I was trying to achieve something similar by way more complicated ways (just look at md). It seems with a few words it is possible to say a lot more than with a lot of words. The most impressing thing is that you can say things out in plain text and only a few notice it, some thinking you just placed the words there because they rhyme. I believe i just found a new tool of expressing mysel... now the problem is , same with drawing, i might do "some" but i am far from being good at it.... anyway, my free time just got less, a new hobby ) side note: i feel rhyme is like surrealistic drawing/painting. You need to be able to do it before you can go wild and NOT do it. Just doing abstract things or rhyme-less poetry from the start , in my opinion, it means you can't actualy rhyme and still keep the meaning. Rhyme "binds" the words, turns a series of thoughts in one single thought that combines the entire meanings...... technically...poetry equals magic ..in a way. not sure if i can explain what i mean right, not sure if i want to.

I talked today with an other company, and they are supposed to give me a quote tomorow and a sample in 2-3 days. I hope it will work this time. Again, sorry for the delay but its not my fault things around here go by the saying "tipic romanesc".