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[quote name='Pipstickz' date='30 September 2009 - 08:17 PM' timestamp='1254367042' post='43318'] Because it brings people like you who bring up definitions of the word, which is not what this is about. This isn't your English king, this is MD.And to Renril: Lots of things are based on public opinion in MD. Lifeline's banned accounts (In my opinion, a slightly less blown-up, but bigger issue than this) were decided by vote, new features are decided by vote...Mur wants his players happy and entertained xD [/quote] I couldn't disagree more. Isn't what the definition of King what this is all about? The question is whether Yrthilian is in his rights as King or not. How do we determine that? We define King, and then see if his action fits with the definition. Yes, I agree, it's not my "English king" as you so condescendingly put it. If you were to read on, I didn't use the "English king" as a definition of the MD King, and actually defined what I thought an MD King was, which Grido quoted. Awi

[quote name='Grido' date='30 September 2009 - 06:09 PM' timestamp='1254359383' post='43289'] I'm just asking, specifically to the bold bits, but you know, any bit, which bit describes the situation yrth is in? There is a large proportion of "his" people objecting to his rule, [s][b]ruling is cemented[/b][/s][b], [/b][s][b]stable[/b][/s], and there are complaints about his abilitie to rule as well, bad decisions etc. [s][b]undeniable ability of the King to rule[/b][/s] So...yeah, how is he a king again?[b][/b] [/quote] You misquote me. Whether or not he is King is not based on the things I mentioned; rather that he is a King implies those qualities are innate and unquestionable. So, if he is a King, then you cannot question his ability to rule or his stability. An important distinction: whether or not he is stable and able in this case doesn't matter. Because he is a King, you can't question it. That may seem counter-intuitive, but such is the nature of Kings, or as I define them (my definition is based on what I have observed, not on my own opinions). And Pip: When was this a matter of people? They are great people, minus the titles, I'm sure. If this were a matter of who is a good or bad person, then the result would be different. So I don't see how your point makes any sense. Yrthilian's status as a person was never called into question, nor was Grido's. Grido isn't asking Yrthilian to be disposed as a person. Awi

My lack of knowledge on the subject of Kingship throughout the ages prevents me from putting forth a good rebuttal to your well written response. However, I think what makes you suspect my post of errors the most is that I left out where my reference to the English monarchs stopped, and my reference to a more general idea of a strong leader began. The part that I am referring to the English monarch is in response to the idea that Yrthilian should not be the military leader. The rest of the post deals more with the idea that the strongest leader is one who is appointed by God(s) and not by people. Yrthilian was not elected by the subjects he rules. If being a member of the Kelle'Tha order means that I have instantly gained every secret available in the realm and a full understanding of its workings, then I would like my money back. Instead, what it means is that we are researching to gain an idea of the realm, and has nothing to do with whether we have or have not achieved that. No where do we claim to know the Gods of the realm. While it is true that Muratus del Mur was the practical assigner, the spiritual assigner goes unnamed. Who decided that Yrthilian was fit to rule? It seems that Mur characteristically wouldn't make a judgment based on his ideas alone, and usually relies on the opinions of others when it comes to making leaders. Who told him to make Yrthilian King is a question for Mur alone. As to the meaning and definition of Kingship, I can only say that it would be generally agreed that a King is someone whose ruling is cemented, and not prone to changing like other positions based on the opinions of those he rules. As Mur has said (but the following are my own words), the King should be stable and long-lasting. A kingship, unlike an Alliance leader, is far less dependent on the mutual trust shared by the ruler and the subjects, and rather on the undeniable ability of the King to rule. Or at least, that is how it should be in my opinion. Awi Edit: changed one word.

Voting cannot be a surrogate for a coup, by definition. It would be analogous to... trying to decide who the best cook would be based on how many cook books they had read. They are linked, true, but one does not imply the other. Don't forget that as King Yrthilian has a lot of tricks up his sleeve that do not fall under the military category. Someone might be able to beat him in a normal fight, without any of his influence, but I'd like to see you beat him with all his spells and benefits as King. Is it unfair for him to spells and the like to win? No, they were given to him as King. In short, a vote is not appropriate, no matter how representative someone may claim it to be. The bottom line is that it is not a true fight, and for that it can be argued for eternity that his disposing was done the wrong way. Awi

What definition of King are you using? In England, which is the most classic example of Kings, the King was the military leader, at the back of the army but always fighting. In fact, sometimes entire battles would be settled by a King and his challenger fighting. So in that sense, Yrthilian did exactly what a King of old times would have done. If you refer more to the spiritual King (which is what Khalazdad claimed to associate more with, although to be truthful he did lead an army as well), then yes it would have been beneficial to appoint a military leader. But in my opinion I think Yrthilian did fine as the military leader. He is the leader, and as such controls the most who he attacks and how he attacks them. But this whole dethroning business... it seems to me in a bitter spirit. People are throwing accusations that Yrthilian overstepped his boundaries. Did he really? Or did everyone just not realize what the title "King" means? Also, why is Kingship going to a vote? Votes are for appointed leaders of democracy, where everyone's opinion is equal. This should be determined by a fight, because the King is the strongest person in a land, not the one that everybody likes the most. Did everyone like Napoleon? No, he killed lots of people. Then why did he lead? Because if you spoke out, you would end up like the dead people. True, death means very little in Magic Duel, which is the source of a lot of problems, including this one. If Yrthilian could just kill Grido, rather than exiling him, this whole business would be avoided, and he would be even more of a leader. Unfortunately that is not so. But in the spirit of the Kingship, and what that means, I think Yrthilian is perfectly in his power. King's powers derive from the Gods, not from his subjects, at least that is the way it was set up in the past. You dare question someone who is appointed by God(s)? In short, Yrthilian's power should not end because he angered his subjects, and they hold a silly vote. No! It should end when there is a coup, a show of military strength that Yrthilian is NOT the strongest person in the world, and NOT appointed by God. But I'm not involved in this, so this is only an opinion. I am a member of Golemus now, true, but my pursuits don't change based on Kings. Awi

[quote name='Daemon Torvez' date='30 September 2009 - 11:22 AM' timestamp='1254334942' post='43245'] I can agree with the first part that humans tend to view things in good or bad terms but I disagree that humans work towards the good in the long run. I say that humans are selfish and self centered in general and do what they perceive is best for them and in turn label that as being good. This is how 2 neutral parties can get into conflict with each other over a resource for example.I agree that humans do seem hardwired having a need to belong. Sociologists have been saying humans are very social creatures for decades and they we gather, form groups and social communities out of some basic need we have.But I still argue that we humans don't work toward good or bad, we simple work toward our on needs and label them how ever we need to to help justify the needs being met. One example is the need to confess a sin. Usually people do it in a hope of achieving some sort of salvation or to avoid punishment or some level of damnation. How many people would repent of their sins if there were no eternal consequence for doing them? But I guess that can start a whole different conversation. [/quote] This is exactly what I was trying to say, but I suppose not making any sense. Yes, people work towards what they perceive to be good, because they often label personal gain as good. Awi

I think Mur has better things to do than solve our squabbles. Awi

Oh look, Fenrir is still here. I thought you quit? I would say it's never going to happen. If you look back at Mur's original ideas about the game, he did not want ANY of the "fantasy" races. It's only because they keep popping up that he gave up trying to control us. But officially recognized? I would say never. And I like it that way. I don't mind sharing my opinion: I strongly dislike the "fantasy" that people try to incorporate into their characters. I find it like trying to shove a shoe into a keyhole when a key is needed. Essentially, people try to be creative, but in the end they just go overboard. This is Magic Duel, not Lord of the Rings or World of Warcraft. Can we move on from those stereotypes please? They're so trite. Awi

I would say that all humans views things (even if they try not to) in good and bad, and that they tend to work towards the good. What you percieve to be virtuous, good, and worth working towards is usually what you will attempt to work towards in the long run. The part of the need for belonging is undeniably true. However I would argue that the reason it is true is because we are hardwired to put "belonging" in the good column of our lives without fail. The rest of things and how they are sorted, good and bad, are not quite as fixed, and overtime they are likely to change. However, that good list dictates what we do and how we behave; constantly working towards those goals. Awi

Any other things that need changing? Awi

I am interested. I just need to work out what time that is for me... but I'm fairly sure it's 2 AM, which is fine. Awi

By the way, I don't like this new Puzzle. It means that some people will have a significantly easier time of solving it than others. Awi

Uh, did it not? I believe him posting on the forums that he was going to kill Khalazdad's Soul if his alliance was not given back. That might have been an excuse, but he did say it. Awi

I suggest to you, Burns, and all else who feel this way: Gain control of Wodin or Khalazdad, and kill them. I am dead serious, there are no limits to what you can do with your character, and you can have them literally jump off a cliff. If you roleplay it correctly, it will be done. I would suggest a slightly more powerful death than jumping off a cliff, though. Perhaps jumping into the fires of Kelle'Tha for Khalazdad, and jumping into the Stone of Tortured Souls for Wodin? Perhaps they should do it at the same time. It opens up many doors. But I do agree with you, I wish they would die. Awi

Quite, aeoshattr. But then again, I never expected people to be serious about their sins. It is difficult to stand up and tell people why you are not a good person, because we all want to appear good. But the option has now been presented to you, so you can never say that you did not have a time to confess. This will likely make the punishments even harsher Awi

In the spirit of Mr. Falstaff (http://www.william-shakespeare.info/shakespeare-play-king-henry-iv-part-1.htm): Success is living. Congratulations, you all succeed. Awi

Goodbye. Awi

Hello everybody. With the recent announcement of the Festival of Pain, Akasha and I were talking, and she asked the question, "Maybe confessing will help?" So in that vein, I propose that we all confess our sins so that the punishment will be less severe. I, as the one bringing up the topic, will of course go first. 1. I admit, I have not spent as much in the Paper Cabin as I would have liked. 2. I have used mp2s to gain stats and wins when I was severely out of balance. 3. I talked about Quests, and asked some people the questions that were posed to me, in hopes that they could help. 4. I have used a number of bugs out of laziness(mostly having to do with frames, eids, and the like) 5. I semi-cheated in the first Torch Competition by jumping to Pamplemousse repeatedly. 6. I have annoyed people with pestering them for information. 7. I put off doing work until the last minute, then complained about having too much to do. In reality, if I had done it a little bit at a time, it would not have been too much to handle. 8. I set up regen trees because I was sick and tired of being attacked by other people, and wanted some form of revenge. 9. I negative repped a person that I did not like, repeatedly. I think that is all my sins. If I think of more, I will add them. So there! Punish me! Bring out the whips and the chains! Awi

Yes, here is some information on that. I am currently not an archivist, so it is true, it isn't my duty. However, I currently hold the RPC item space and have all the coding for the current item, so if someone wants to take it up in the archivists they can talk to me. I also plan to talk to the Master Archivist (when there is a new one), and if they want me to, I will work on this as an outside contract. Awi

Happy Birthday! Awi

Because I tend to like to wait until things become stable, I won't change the leader of GG just yet. If Peace keeps it for a few weeks, or for good, I will change it. Awi

Is there anything wrong or something that needs changing? Awi

Why isn't there a spell-block spell? That would be so useful... Awi

Very nice, I am impressed. Please, show more. Awi

The show button didn't work in your post. [log='Hello test']this should be hidden[/log] Awi