Selling Seighearts Leash

[Fang Archbane]

This was a trap i had complete control over. and yes, yes i could have just given it to either Etluc or Ivorak, and even possibly demanded some light coin over it, but they would have been suspicious and declined. im not one to be intimidated by death, and they knew that by this point in time.

I decided to make this con look legitimate, but some outside forces destroyed the element of surprise i had, the only tool i had left to play against them.

[Ackshan Bemunah]

Ah, yeah, I see, that could've worked, that really sucks.

Anyone want to delete this thread, save Fang? Maybe his potential enemies won't see it.

Think, think, illusions are awesome.

Edited August 17, 2012 by Ackshan Bemunah

[De Mimsy Porpington]

I guess you didn't notice Etty has no coins...

[Fang Archbane]

*shakes his head*

no. they both already know. its too late. thank you for the suggestion though Ackshan, much appreciated.

i kindly ask that any Mod lock this thread.

and ill say this to end it all.

Next time, try and send me a PM if you have questions Chewett. i know your used to being able to read me like an open book, but im changing. whether its for the better, or worst, i do not know, but i am. you may think you know me, but you dont my friend, not anymore. the sooner you can accept that, the sooner both of our lives will be simpler.

Edit: coins arent the only way to purchase things in MD Mimsy.

Edited August 17, 2012 by Fang Archbane

[Chewett]

As a note, Seigheart did initially reply to this, but his reply was deleted due to multiple swearwords. i hope he shall reply later.

As for Fang, Say what you want lol, too many times a bad con has attempted to be covered up, iv given up caring if people were attempting to "con someone for the greater good" You run the risk is it being uncovered early. Im sure you wanted to help, and do a good deed/fun/whatever but i dislike people conning others, its just against my morals.

As for your request to "ask you first" no, its morally wrong to try and conn someone into buying something that it isn't, you can't reason it one way or another. As i said, what respect i had for you is now gone, and seeing your reasons, im even more sure of that. Just because someone wronged you, does not mean you should wrong them. Its petty.

[Fang Archbane]

I would like to state that the screenshot i placed was there to prove i "owned" the leash. not to prove the amount of uses it had left.

I never once said it would be sold with a certain amount of uses. that much was assumed by any that saw the screenshot.

And yes, while it is petty to do something like i was planning, it is even greedier, to kill me over some coin, like Etluc did.



And as my in game father would say. "An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth. And everlasting evil, for those who have earned it."

[Ackshan Bemunah]

Interesting perspective Chewett. I had a good bit of respect for Fang beforehand, and in my opinion that's enough reason to protect him, even give him a chance to correct himself (this came out in an inappropriate way when I tried to act quickly, for any who saw,) but maybe that's a luxury he hasn't attained with you.

I don't know, usually it's best to mitigate the consequences of a social insult. Gives the community a bad name...I'm guessing the forum was the wrong place for this attempt in any case.

[Seigheart]

I apologize for my earlier post. I don't take it lightly when people attack my TKs because they don't like me.

It's low, pathetic, and shows how far gone the community in this game is.

Fang did not deserve to be killed. He tried to get revenge on those of you who keep offering to buy my leash. Which you know IS NOT HIS TO SELL.

So, by asking to buy it, you are effectively asking to be sold stolen property.

Phatom Orchid, Lashtal, Ivorak, and others have all offered to "buy" my leash from Fang.

You are all pathetic and low in my books. Generally, I try to keep some what amicable around most people, but I'm done with it.

I will be hostile towards those who show hostility towards me, and my TKs from this point on.

[Ivorak]

I do not believe Fang was killed for being a TK nor for his association with you.

In real life, the possession of stolen property is generally only a crime if the buyer knows it to be stolen. I did not know that, despite your allegations to the contrary.

Oh, wait, you're defending Fang after he stole something for you? That makes even less sense.

I did not offer to buy your leash from Fang. I merely suggested he give it to me before he died because I was not aware that the dead could transfer items. Knowing that my blade would end his life (at least for a while) I thought that was one way I could alleviate his predicament (in the event that you should require the leash to be moved about; I'm sure you don't like being stuck in one place).

[Seigheart]

Ivorak, you had no intentions on helping me out. Your general attitude towards me is hostile at the very best.

As far as your statement about not being against the law to buy stolen property because you "didn't know". That's not true. Look it up. You'll be in for a big hurt if you are caught receiving stolen property. It's illegal.

If he sold it, then yes, he would have stolen it, because the condition that, if he held on to it/used it, he CAN NOT trade it to anyone but myself.

And Fang was killed for not giving you my leash. Get real.

[Pipstickz]

To me, having only the information in this topic (well, let's be honest, what I've read of it), this is what it looks like:
Ivorak and Etluc worked together to try to get an item from Fang for free
Fang made a bunch of people angry by seeming to be trying to cheat people, no matter what his intentions from the beginning were
Seig is doing the usual stuff

Now unless I've got some facts wrong, which could easily happen because there's obviously some history here that I'm not going to bother searching for or remembering, you're ALL stupid in your own special ways: Ivorak, Etluc and Fang for bad business etiquette, and Seig for the over-reacting as is common.

[lashtal]

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1345253856' post='120367']
Phatom Orchid, Lashtal, Ivorak, and others have all offered to "buy" my leash from Fang.
[/quote]

Your spies must be drunk!
I never tried to buy or purchase your leash, Seigheart.
I don't think I've ever mentioned your leash at all.

[Ivorak]

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1345261281' post='120375']
Ivorak, you had no intentions on helping me out. Your general attitude towards me is hostile at the very best.

As far as your statement about not being against the law to buy stolen property because you "didn't know". That's not true. Look it up. You'll be in for a big hurt if you are caught receiving stolen property. It's illegal.

If he sold it, then yes, he would have stolen it, because the condition that, if he held on to it/used it, he CAN NOT trade it to anyone but myself.

And Fang was killed for not giving you my leash. Get real.
[/quote]

I may have left out the second ’e’ in your name once. Rest assured this was an error, not a slight against your person. I bear you no great enmity. I'm not sure why you think otherwise; we have had very few interactions and I don't recall any hostility.

Please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods. Perhaps you are not from the U.S., Scotland, or Canada. But I am. Regardless, since there is no game rule to the contrary, I think I can be excused for something I did not do, and did not know I did not do, and which is technically legal.

I'm not entirely sure why Fang was killed, but it was not for your leash. It really isn't much use to me. Did you really think I like hauling around corpses, especially ones that talk back?

To all those reading this, consider that there's more to this than you think there is. Perhaps more than I think there is.

[BFH]

So it's still on sale? If not this is way off-topic

[Etluc]

My intentions were not to scam Fang of his leash. That is entirely unrelated. Ivorak honestly didn't know that items can be transferred by the dead (I would have told them they can if he had asked - tut, tut). However, that was not the case and Fang's death was inevitable either way. As to "Why?" I'm not going to say.

[dst]

Why?

Simple: Fang tried to revive fenrir (or at least took some steps in that direction). POE doesn't want fenrir alive so she plotted and acted in that direction aka killed the only person that so far did something about the revival.

[Phantom Orchid]

[quote name='dst' timestamp='1345303223' post='120401']
Why?

Simple: Fang tried to revive fenrir (or at least took some steps in that direction). POE doesn't want fenrir alive so she plotted and acted in that direction aka killed the only person that so far did something about the revival.
[/quote]

You write wonderful fiction, dst. However, it is not too convincing.

And what does this have to do with the topic of this thread?

[Ackshan Bemunah]

[quote name='Phantom Orchid' timestamp='1345304309' post='120402']
And what does this have to do with the topic of this thread?
[/quote]

The connection is obvious. Fang wanted dst to start insane rumors, and knew that anything he could imaginably do would lead dst to do this.

So dst was the pawn all along!

[dst]

What Phantom? You deny it?

[Ackshan Bemunah]

[quote name='dst' timestamp='1345305774' post='120406']
What Phantom? You deny it?
[/quote]

Wouldn't that be shocking?

I've created a thread in the general forum where this discussion might be more fitting.

Edited August 18, 2012 by Ackshan Bemunah

[Junior]

anyways 2 sc for that leash am assuming this is still a sale

[Chewett]

The leash now has 195 uses but is still held by fang, so indeed he could sell it.

[Fang Archbane]

I will politely state that this auction is now closed, and if a Moderator/Admin so wishes it, this thread may be closed as well.

I have chosen not to sell it in the end, and I hope everyone knows now, forever, and always, that I will never sell Seighearts Leash under normal foreseeable circumstances.

Nothing short of Mur demanding I sell it as he threatens me with his Lube could make me do so.