Chewett

Did you follow the process of talking to people?

Things change. I am letting people know with the above post :) See:

To explain my rep, and I think dsts. The last time you were a secretary there was a lot of mess that had to be cleaned up when you left if I remember correctly.

I asked him to post it here. it is a bug. Its not good behaviour.

Not entirely surprising when there has been 8 pages of this spam.

He was orange, he was not there. Did you save any of the errors DD? I dont see them here. Its a bug FYI. ------ So, to start with the comments. Dst shut up. More amusingly this time I actually mentioned this bug to you and you dont seem to remember it. Secondarily, thank you DD for posting this. For all others, I asked him to because I was pretty sure this was a bug. ------ Iv raised the issue before, its an issue because the login system is really poorly designed and the teleport spells sometimes cause an issue where a user has been moved but it appears they havent. Dont worry as there is nothing to abuse, Eon was moved but it just didnt appear in the scene.

Judges in these events should be anon so this is why he asked you to PM him.

After talking with DD he has stated he just wont post on the forum unless its really needed. He is not leaving the game :)

DD contacted me asking why I was hurt before his posts and I explained I do not hate him in any way. DD, you leaving "because of me" would hurt me more thinking I was the reason you left, Because I was hurt.

Moved to the new forum.

That hurts.

R.I.P. You were fun to work with.

The funny thing is Mur already has my address and has sent stuff to me (Although iv moved since then and dont send me stuff to the old address). Im playing devils advocate here, I don't necessarily agree dont want you to have my address, but I completely disagree with your high handed attitude and rudeness.

It was actually because you were put to confirm for everything. Not Murs doing I believe. Bitchy, I guess you missed the numerous posts where im suggesting changes... because you picked apart my posts, read one line you didnt like and complained. We _should_ be giving tags during this period Mur because I personally doubt this is going to be over soon. This is a perfect example and you have issued no edict to not give out any tags during this period. Just logged in and seen he has said so. Meh no one will get tags for months...

It doesnt matter Mur, you just dont get it. This is why Iv argued with you sometimes in the past, you just dont consider other peoples viewpoints when they are so different from yours. You dont think they are "real" or valid.

This is where question as to what "confirming" means, is this someone else who has the power to give/approve the role? or someone involved or? This is important in many of the cases, such as dst's above.

{ "title": "Freelance Artist", "recipient": "gonzalocsdf", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", // Murry as he would have approved and relates to other "confirming authority": "Mya" //proposed it } }, { "title": "Sky Scouter", // remove as group tag? - Yes, minor tag and a number have it. Can be added later "recipient": "AmberRune", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } } -- Keep judge as its an important one ----- Ping me when you need to convert the JSON and remove the comments, I can help with that if you dont know how to Intrigue

I have went through them all and added comments where iv changed things, please comment on them back. The comments can be quickly stripped with a quick command (I can show you that if you dont know it, so use them!) Please add these into the document if approved, or question then individually if there is an issue with my reasoning. My changes follow an email exchange with Mur and his above post. ---- { "titles": [ { "title": "MDA Land Leader", "recipient": "Kyphis", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", //reason: Mur grants land leader "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Seed Keeper", "recipient": "Handy Pockets", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "King of Necrovion", "recipient": "Azull", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Queen of Necrovion", "recipient": "Peace", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Leader of the Underground", "recipient": "dst", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Bug Catcher", "recipient": "dst", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Chewett" } }, { "title": "Watching You", "recipient": "dst", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null //removed me, Why would I confirm this? } }, { "title": "Judge", "recipient": "dst", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Judge", "recipient": "Ailith", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Judge", "recipient": "Granos", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Chief Voidling", "recipient": "Granos", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "The King's Bard", "recipient": "Ary Endleg", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Azull", "confirming authority": "Peace" } }, { "title": "Tainted", "recipient": "Assira the Black", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Granos", "confirming authority": "Ailith" } }, { "title": "MDA Land Leader", "recipient": "darkraptor", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Gardener of MDA Garden", "recipient": "Kempiniukas", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Kyphis", "confirming authority": "Handy Pockets" } }, { "title": "Vigilant Guardian", "recipient": "Intrigue", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Zleiphneir", "confirming authority": "Peace" //reasons: why? } }, { "title": "Freelance Artist", "recipient": "gonzalocsdf", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", //mya and BFH do not fit here, Mur "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Garden Keeper", "recipient": "Menhir", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Handy Pockets", "confirming authority": "Zleiphneir" } }, { "title": "Consul of Loreroot", "recipient": "Mya Celestia", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Water Dowser Leader", "recipient": "nadrolski", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Princ Rhaegar", "confirming authority": "Handy Pockets" } }, { "title": "King of Marind Bell", "recipient": "Princ Rhaegar", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Code Guardian", "recipient": "Chewett", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Former Queen of Marind Bell", "recipient": "Handy Pockets", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Princ Rhaegar" } }, { "title": "Former King of Marind Bell", "recipient": "Chewett", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Princ Rhaegar" } }, { "title": "Avatar Manager", "recipient": "Neno Veliki", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", //NOT BFH OR AZULL PEOPLE, MUR "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Master Advertiser", "recipient": "BFH", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Seedwalker", "recipient": "Rophs", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Handy Pockets", "confirming authority": null //not grido, give reasons if you want to nominate } }, { "title": "King of Golemus Golemicarum", "recipient": "Grido", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Head LHO", "recipient": "Grido", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "DracHorn Master", "recipient": "Burns", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null //NOT BFH } }, { "title": "Ardent Knight", "recipient": "Burns", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Shadowseeker" //shouldnt it be the other way around? SS granted, mur confirms? } }, { "title": "LHO Second in Command", "recipient": "Burns", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Grido", "confirming authority": null //NOT BFH } }, { "title": "Knight of the Hunt", "recipient": "Shadowseeker", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Resurrected Corpse", "recipient": "Lazarus", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Granos", "confirming authority": "Peace" } }, { "title": "Protector of Golemus", "recipient": "MRD", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", //Grido/burns too young, needs to be Murry "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Former Leader of the MR's", "recipient": "MRD", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", //Grido too young, NOT BFH, needs to be Murry "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "MR's Commander", "recipient": "MRAlyon", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", //Grido too young, Not MRD as inactive, needs to be Murry "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Judge", "recipient": "Granos", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Abetter", "recipient": "No one", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", //Mur gave it not dst "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Co Leader of the Treasure Keepers", "recipient": "Pipstickz", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", //No it was council not BFH "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "MasterChief", "recipient": "phantasm", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null //granos isnt involved with this } }, { "title": "Leader of KoB", "recipient": "Rikstar", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Princ Rhaegar", "confirming authority": null //no SS as that doesnt fit with plans } }, { "title": "Child of Necrovion", "recipient": "Syrian", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Peace", "confirming authority": "Azull" } }, { "title": "Guardian's Echo", "recipient": "WHIsper", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Zleiphneir", "confirming authority": "Intrigue" } }, { "title": "Guardian of Bob", "recipient": "Zleiphneir", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Concierge", "recipient": "Miq", "authorities": { "granting authority": "BFH", //REASONS: ???? "confirming authority": "phantasm" } }, { "title": "Former Boss Heads Master", "recipient": "Eon", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Son of the Storms", "recipient": "Marvolo", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", //Mur gave this out "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "King Guard", "recipient": "Clock Master", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Princ Rhaegar", "confirming authority": "Rikstar" } }, { "title": "Sky Scouter", "recipient": "AmberRune", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", //Mur gave this out "confirming authority": null } } ] }

I have discussed my concerns with Mur and he should reply shortly.

You didnt actually reply to one of the more important comments regarding why some decisions where made. Really you should include a logical reason why X can sign for Y. Then we can disucss the things easier than just looking and not understanding why choices were made. Are you just reviewing and deciding if you like the feedback? I dont see anyone actually being told yes/no with their feedback. --- Now onto the actaual format, requiring two signitories, Mur is trying to force one system into another. In your example of "avatar master" "master artist" is entirely correct, and there is no way you can do that if you want to follow how things actually developed if you dont want to take into account council. Its all well and good saying "this will create a social structure" but when you randomly create it and not make it follow how the social structure was created, then you are going to make something that wont mean anything. At a push I could sign for artesian since I and council discussed we needed some people, and the people we selected... but thats all. It looks like you are just making BFH a GM, so I congratulate him on his new position.

Question: Who added BFH to everything? It appears like people just randomly added friends of those who had tags... You should take each tag based on how they were given and how it fits in. Aka all the most recent authorities such as tk and avatar people are council, not Mur or BFh... The alliance leaders should get tags from kings, Kings should from counci unless they are old kings, in which case Mur. Some land members should get tags from kings. Misc tags mostly come from Mur or council.

Furthermore to the above point, You should make all alliance member "titles" follow the same pattern of confirmation. Aka confirmation 1, land leader. confirmation 2: second land leader/none { "title": "Sky Scouter", "recipient": "AmberRune", "authorities": { "granting authority": null, "confirming authority": null } } Mur granting auth ----- { "title": "Former Boss Heads Master", "recipient": "Eon", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, confirm: council ----- { "title": "MasterChief", "recipient": "phantasm", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Granos" } }, Not granos, he isnt "in charge of phantam" to confirm ---- { "title": "Co Leader of the Treasure Keepers", "recipient": "Pipstickz", "authorities": { "granting authority": "BFH", "confirming authority": "Chewett" } }, granting council, BFH and I were not involed --- { "title": "Abetter", "recipient": "No one", "authorities": { "granting authority": "dst", "confirming authority": null } }, granting Mur ----- { "title": "Resurrected Corpse", "recipient": "Lazarus", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Granos", "confirming authority": "Peace" } }, peace, lol no ---- { "title": "LHO Second in Command", "recipient": "Burns", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Grido", "confirming authority": "BFH" } }, BFH no, council told grido he needed a second in command as he was so inactive ---- { "title": "DracHorn Master", "recipient": "Burns", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "BFH" } }, BFH no --- { "title": "King of Golemus Golemicarum", "recipient": "Grido", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, Grido never aksed council to confirm his appointment, so its unoffical atm FYI ---- { "title": "Avatar Manager", "recipient": "Neno Veliki", "authorities": { "granting authority": "BFH", "confirming authority": "Azull" } }, BFH NO Azull NO ----- It seems you keep adding BFH as a second in command for most things... dont. The doc is widely wrong here guys.... you just seem to add BFH for everything and then random other people.

agreed, but im not looking into fixing Mur hacks atm, Im trying to finish some of the many bigger projects he never finished

Why would SS, a non MB citizen confirm a MB alliance position?

thats how those things work. They by default have a continue button because Mur hacked some interface together and its rubbish.