Ivorak

[quote]Well, the way I see it is that the party behind having me killed wants me to go the same way Spart went.
[/quote]

How can you really know? It seems to me like you are -thinking- this is true, but this can only be an assumption unless they specifically told you their reason.

[quote]I'm wondering whether the rest of MD feels the same or not.[/quote]

The same, as your killer/s? I am sure there are people across the spectrum of feelings in regards to this.

In-game I am absolutely and unabashadly elated you are dead. No question there. But out-of-game, I value you and your presence and contributions to MD, and I can say the same about every other player.

And sometimes I think I value in-game villains more than my allies, because without their presence the realm would be a hell of a lot less dynamic, in my world at least.

[quote]PS I don't want people saying I should stay or not, that's not what this is for.[/quote]

Too bad, you started it

And I null voted, because, no matter how much I or anybody else thinks you should stay or go, it is ultimately your decision to make.

Sorry, but you can't shrug this one off onto me.

[quote name='Magistra' timestamp='1342122173' post='117374']
Can't we, as a community, do something for Seig? I am no expert on revival, but we shouldn't allow murder in our realm. If Seigh can't afford 35 gold coins (I wouldn't!) then maybe there are other ways?
[/quote]


[font=comic sans ms,cursive]This seems to be straying off-topic, but for those interested in working to build a community-based revive endeavor (and/or earn a WP!), check out:[/font]
[url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/12511-revival-fruit/page__pid__117298__st__20#entry117298"]http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/12511-revival-fruit/page__pid__117298__st__20#entry117298[/url]

Would the conversation be different if the demand was not GC but credits? If I'm not mistaken our GC:credits ratio is 1:5. So Seigheart's revival would cost him $175? We can draw a line between players and characters, but I think that line between black and white can become a big grey area.

[quote name='Ivorak' timestamp='1341967059' post='117213']
MD should allow criminals. We (the players) should not.
[/quote]

+1 Like.

My thought is similar, while I understand your frustration for being dead yet again, Seigheart, and trying to find a fair way out while righting perceived wrongs, attacking Grido here isn't going to solve anything. This isn't real life. There are slightly different rules here. Killing is wrong and illegal in real life too, and I do believe you happily confessed to killing Chewett recently. That colours things a bit where the "illegal" line is crossed yes?

I do hope you can be revived soon though. This just doesnt' seem to be helping the cause, though. Sorry.

Whoa...

Seig, what was it you quoted that said extortion was illegal? It looks to me like you copied that from Wikipedia. So what if extortion is illegal in real life? That doesn't necessarily make it against the rules of the game.

If we're allowed to murder and kidnap (at least by game rules; I'm not saying there shouldn't be any sort of repercussion, it just needs to be enacted by players) then I think extortion is also fair game. MD should allow criminals. We (the players) should not.

Whoa...

Seig, what was it you quoted that said extortion was illegal? It looks to me like you copied that from Wikipedia. So what if extortion is illegal in real life? That doesn't necessarily make it against the rules of the game.

If we're allowed to murder and kidnap (at least by game rules; I'm not saying there shouldn't be any sort of repercussion, it just needs to be enacted by players) then I think extortion is also fair game. MD should allow criminals. We (the players) should not.

Whoa...

Seig, what was it you quoted that said extortion was illegal? It looks to me like you copied that from Wikipedia. So what if extortion is illegal in real life? That doesn't necessarily make it against the rules of the game.

If we're allowed to murder and kidnap (at least by game rules; I'm not saying there shouldn't be any sort of repercussion, it just needs to be enacted by players) then I think extortion is also fair game. MD should allow criminals. We (the players) should not.

Whoa...

Seig, what was it you quoted that said extortion was illegal? It looks to me like you copied that from Wikipedia. So what if extortion is illegal in real life? That doesn't necessarily make it against the rules of the game.

If we're allowed to murder and kidnap (at least by game rules; I'm not saying there shouldn't be any sort of repercussion, it just needs to be enacted by players) then I think extortion is also fair game. MD should allow criminals. We (the players) should not.

You're going to punish yourself, and the community, because of something the council said? I don't really see this as a punishment/threat on them...which it sounds like it's meant to be

Did you read the singpost?
[spoiler]Loreroot Main Entrance The Loreroot lands guard great knowledge and power for those that understand their ways. This is a land of tradition and peace, but is not ignorant of the ways of war. The land is well protected by it's spirits, and no ignorant man can enter it without getting lost in these vast lands. (This is a trial for players that have advanced beyond MP3. It is meant to be difficult at MP4 and may prove impossible at MP3) [/spoiler]

[quote name='lone wolf pup' timestamp='1341774760' post='117031']
'Have patience and determination and you will succeed.' I think he means give up trying on MP3 or you can spend months in MP3 to learn what you can in any other mind power level.
[/quote]

I think he means your words were just stupid LW. Yes report me but this is what I'm starting to think of people who do what you just did...

Can we get updates?

(rep this + or - if you think this is a good/bad idea)

moved to the proper forum, also should be merged with the existing topic : Alliance list, please read before posting same things ! forum should not have double posts/topics

I dislike messiness, so im going to get some communtiy action and see what others think

Ignoring all special links and such that LHO's have and such. i came to this as the list of links currently in the rightbar:

[Wishpoints Top] [Same country] [Most Popular] [Active Veterans] [Item Owners] [Adventure Log] [Inventory] [Wishpoints] [Personal page] [Notebook] [Webcam] [Mood panel] [Public Logs] [Options]

And these are the ones on the topbar:

[View announcements] [Adventure Log] [Quests] [Calendar] [Challenges] [MD Court] [ Game intro] [Known issues] [Restrictions] [Active Forum Posts] [MDNP][Treasury] [Search] [MD Toolbar] [Free credits]

Thats a lot of links... I feel these could be re-organised, moved and swapped around.

Some of the links have little relevelence nowadays, like the Treasury and MDNP, Known issues is very old as is challanges..

Do people think that the interface could do with some cleaning up? or do they think that all these links here are a "good thing"


[b]Current Summary of Suggested items (see edit time for last edited time):[/b]

[Personal page] [Notebook] can be moved to your ~papers~ link under chat also

Move [Wishpoints Top] [Most Popular] [Active Veterans] [Item Owners] onto one link where all are visible

Challanges and Quests links can be merged into one, updating them both and doing some nice formatting

Yes. They are in the east. You need to unlock at least level 1 in order to begin opening research clues.

Whoa. Being killed for the 5th time? How many people get to experience that?

3 more times and we can call you a cat. Nine lives and all. You can finally challenge dst to a cat fight. Fair and square. :3

I like quests where you have to physically do something and then bring it back into MD, and most especially when it has a conceptual bent to it. I like these most because you get something more than just a completed quest out of it.

Quests with complex wordplay are fun too, as are logic puzzles, just for the sake of fun.

Endurance style ones like the dominion quest are addicitive, but I wouldnt describe it that I [i]like or dislike[/i] them.

The Treasure Keepers have decided to hold a Bettingfest(not sure what else to call it)

Basically,

You choose one of the three possibilities (Team I. Team II, Team III).
You place a silver/higher amount for that team to win.
Once they win, you will get an equal portion in relation to your bid of the jackpot.
So, if ten people bid 1g on Team A to win, and the jackpot is 100 gold. Each of you will get 10g.

I will [b]not[/b] be taking any share of the winnings, what so ever. The TKs have a bid, but all winnings will be put into the TK Treasury. All silver/gold collected will be distributed amongst the winners. (In the case of any left over winnings, they will be put into the TK Treasury.)

[u]TKs will put 1g on each of the Teams.[/u]


Teams and participants can be found here:

Team I:

Fyrd Argentus
dst
AmberRune
gonzalocsdf
*MasterB*
Lone Wolf
Rannel
Fenrar
tom Pouce

Team II:

Maebius
*Shadowseeker*
Tarquinus
darkraptor
Soothing Sands
*MRAlyon*
redneck
The Warrior
Jubelee

Team III:

Chewett
apophys
Brulant
tal
*Clock Master*
Ivorak
Nimrodel
Valldore Nal
Phantom Orchid
lashtal


You can bid either through Forum PM, IG PM, or at the treasury email address.

When you bid, please tell me which team you are bidding for.


I will also be collecting all bids immediately, so that the winnings may be distributed immediately as well.


Current Pot: 3g

[quote name='Rumi' timestamp='1340638899' post='116010'] Does the bar for use need to be set higher because of collective ownership/action?[/quote]

Yes - and that's not me being greedy/such, though I'll still probably be neg repped again, even though I'm actually trying to help.

If you think about it, each person who is able to access it would have to pay the same/similar price as those that have the item - the work that I put in, split over 100 people, or the coins Eon spent split over the same, make the value next to nothing compared to what we did or paid. It is unfair to us that it should be valued so little compared to ours. And yes, it can still be unfair to us, even if we're not being angelic with using them.

Chewett, I've gotten over 30 pms from players stating what I did was the right thing.

It's amazing how long it is taking the community to revive it's beloved Wookie.

Perhaps you aren't as well liked as I thought.

Perhaps I should have killed Grido, or Handy? O.o

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]The 'uniqueness' of revival items should be taken into consideration when talking about Revival Fruit. [/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Even though I may disagree with how they are used (or not) presently, those items are special and meaningful for the persons holding them, and I acknowledge that. [/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]But given that death can overtake and overwhelm a player's spirit, and they have no recourse unless it is part of a roleplay where some problem-solving must occur, or they have enough coin, I think that if enough players desire to put forth the effort (which, I would assume means there is enough of a consensus that it is deemed 'a good cause'), they should be returned to life.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]This would also, I imagine, free up Council time from having to consider whether or not reviving someone is justified, in their eyes. Unless, of course, the stench of rotten wookie becomes too unbearable... [/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Having a mechanism that allows for a communal revival should take substantial effort (and I mean a *lot* of effort - it should be difficult to accomplish and require much cooperation). Death is highly symbolic and important, and it should maintain such a status. [/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Also, one limitation could be that revivals may only happen during certain times, perhaps on so-called Days of Tranquility. [/font]

I think a ceremony should be necessary to sucessfully revival someone.

The ceremony could consist in at least 4 stages
1.Supply the Tree of Revival with enough resources to grow the fruit
The resources could be delivered by all interested players and the numbers could be something like:
1k water
250 fenths
2.Enchant the fruit with revival energy and identity
Once the fruit is grown (step 1), the resources and heat could be delivered by all interested players and the numbers could be something like:
5M Heat
250 Wiiya
3.Gathering the fruit
This action would only be possible if there were (for example) 30 people at the scene and used the grab action of the Tree of Revival ( something like the grab fugitive action..)
Important: the fruit would be gathered by the player that had supply the largest number of Resources ( not Heat )

4.Finally, use the fruit to deliver one drop of Juice of Life into the corpse.


note:
a) I've left out all the items because i feel this should be a community effort and should not be restricted to the presence of someone holding a special item or tool.
But in terms of RP would be very interesting to include such items and persons.
b) i think the needed time to gather all the resources is itself a good indicator Will from the community


darkraptor

Honestly i still don't know what are the effects that death has.

If the effect is deletion of the account or similar then the price is everything you have and can borrow in MD
If the effect is that you can't move,train then 0 or what ever you value those abilities

Miq

I am also interesting in Point 1. Essentially you are saying you dont trust the community to gather and be trustful to get it, and that therefore you(general you) want to hold the item and therefore ability to revive people. Thats not much of a "community" garden is it?

Any "community" method of revival should never rely on one person using their item, all you are doing is saying its ok for you souly to hold the item because you are a "nice person". You effectively give yourself a revival item and say that you will use it for the community...

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1340251418' post='115578']
Perhaps because it's such an outrageous demand, that it is completely disgusting to even attempt to gouge someone for 20gc to play the game again
[/quote]

Yet you feel its perfectly fine to kill someone so they cant play the game...

1. How about some trust points? Also, without the community to activate it, the item is useless, and of no value.

3. Then let it be large numbers.... would you (or anyone) offer a suggestion for numbers? I'd like to see the process show merit, rather than "going through the motions". This is meant to be a reliable process, but it does not need to be easy or without effort.

With regards to your price, show me another independent tool that pays for itself with three uses. Certainly not an herb basket or woodcutting axe. I agree, though, that your revival price discussion probably deserves it's own thread or PM.