first of all this is no joke i am dead serious!
and while speaking of death i will put my life on the line for this in order to avoid this trial being fake, postponed, stagnated, not taken serious, or whatever else like it was the case in the fenrir vs dst trial for example. just for the record the trial just stagnated and the judgement was never carried out while fenrir still played. then after several months fenrir quit the game and a few days later the judgement was spoken and of course against fenrir who had left by that time. so in order to avoid any fake trial and show my huge dissatisfaction with the last incident i will go all out on this one and make this about life and death for me. i will show all my determination in this trial and go down fighting for what i not only as player but also as king of a mainland believe is fair justice. if i loose this trial i shall be openly executed (execution followed by perm ban for my main account and other accounts i have) and will pass the crown of marind bell and kingship title with all the kingship items to one of the council members of marind bell who i deem worthy of being the next king/queen.

little info beforehand: i trusted a former rpc who wasnot stoned/demoted/kicked or anything. RJ ensured me he is allowed to invite as many people inside the drach lair as he wants so i believed him because he was still the master of the lair and it never says in the rules or announcements that the area is offlimits plus no more drachs can be recruited.

so now lets get this started:
i hereby want to go to court against how mur and the "royal" court passed down judgement and handled the drachorn lair incident. especially how innocent players like masterb who didnt even know he would end up in drach lair got punished. he left the lair seconds after he got teleported in so no matter how u look at it he is perfectly innocent!
i believe that the recent drachorn lair incident was handled most unfair and unjust. i will begin by posting all the announcements involving the drachorn lair:
[i]
[2009-09-01 13:06:58 - Alpha 9]
[b].SmartAlekRJ. steps down from RPC list on his own request. Part of his rpc abilites will be withdrawn together with his status, future of Drachorns is still to be decided.[/b] (For the record, the stated reason for him requesting the demotion is the recent situation with .Raven. where he considered that .Akasha. kept the issue public instead of solving it closed curtains between rpcs only.) [/i]

RJ steps down on his own will and isnt stoned/demoted/kicked or anything. the players in the recent drach lair incident had no reason to mistrust him. he was a former rpc, still had access to the drach lair and is still the master of the cave (only he got access not even the golemus king can enter). RJ himself invited all of us into the drach lair so we had good reason to trust in his word and believe him.
("Part of his [b]rpc abilites[/b] will be withdrawn together with his [b]status[/b]" its a little unclear but status with a clear mention of rpc before can in my opinion only mean rpc status things get removed but not his role as master of the drach cave)


[i][2010-03-13 01:57:27 - Alpha 9]
[b]Drachorn Cave closed for undefined time.[/b] It might get opend later or integrated somehow with a quest but for now it stays closed. (@Smartalekrj, drachs were supposed to be used as rewards for smart quests , not for who pays more.)[/i]

it merely says it is closed with RJ still having access to it. it NEVER says anywhere that the location is offlimits or illegal to enter. since i know i will have to be real clear on this: open is the opposite of closed. so closed means that u cant open it. and indeed yes nobody can open it but RJ can walk inside (he has access) and several people can teleport others inside. it got closed when RJ lost his ability to open it for others. so closed refers only to nobody being able to open the lair and not that the location is offlimits or forbidden to enter.


[i][2009-04-18 20:36:34 - Alpha 8]
Drachorn Eggs sacrifice day..not for Easter Eggs
Because of excessive amounts of drachorns when usual reward is 1 maximum 2, several measures have been taken against following players: Caster masc (aka tankfans) killed 7 drachorns eggs (all), .MRD. killed 10 drachorns eggs (all) , PTB killed 5 drachorns eggs (all), .Grido. killed 11 drachorn eggs. A few players were left with over 5 drachorns because of their role and because those drachorns are expected to be used as rewards for other players. [b].SmartalekRJ., the drachorn master,[/b] lost his ability to give access to the Drachorns Lair. [b]Access to the Lair was removed from all characters except .SmaralekRJ.[/b] . Access to the Lair and recruiting of just one, was a matter of trust, but it seems some considered it as a great opportunity to get too many rare creatures. Distribution of drachorns in the realm will be increased later when they will become again very rare (more than now). Those penalised should be happy that the penalisation was not higher. [/i]

now here 33 drachorns were illegally purchased and the only punishment they got was that their illegal drachorns were sacrificed. RJ stayed drachorn master and still kept his access to the lair = he is the master of the cave, he owns it.
please compare to the recent case: nobody was able to recruit a single drachorn in the cave so no real harm was done and everything else like unjustified access ect was exactly the same as the situation before but never even mentioned back then. but now players got high punishment unlike the ones from the previous incident who completely abused the situation and recruited up to 11 drachorns per person illegally and got away with no punishment at all (expect the illegal drachs being sacrificed)


and finally in the rules and restrictions it never says anything about locations being offlimit forbidden not even anything slighty close to that. but it does say the following:

[b]"You are free to do anything in the game that is tehnicaly allowed. If you consider that you discovered some sort of exploit or a bug, report it to a moderator. "[/b]

that is official game rule and it tells me of no restriction but even the contrary that i can do pretty much whatever i want.

the forum has 67,072 posts and mur has 1,355 posts. its not realistic for any person to read every single one and memorize it perfectly so even if somewhere on the forum it was explicitly said that the drach cave is forbidden to be entered or offlimits then it matters little because players simply dont see it, never did, or cant remember. actually i believe i checked all forum and here is the only thing i could find about drach cave from mur: "drach cave is closed explicitly, regardless if you have access to it or not." again it says CLOSED not forbidden to enter, offlimits, ect. but i wont explain the meaning of the word closed and its implication again.


so to summarize this whole thing: heavy punishment was delivered to people who had no chance at all of knowing better. on top of that did the only player able to enter the cave and master of the drach lair personally invite them all. he is a trustworthy former rpc.
i believe the punishment is out of place because players involved simply didnt know it was against the rules and in fact NOWHERE in MD does it ever mention that it is against the rules.


from the announcements after the punishment: "Lifeline Kingship penalty
An official character, especially a king, commits a big crime if he sets such a negative example of ignorance towards announcements and rules. Cave was closed, officially, and announced, long ago. "
i am sorry but neither in the announcements nor in the rules does it say its a crime, offlimits, forbidden to enter, ect as i just prooved above. [b]ACTUALLY IT EVEN SAYS THE CONTRARY IN THE RULES. "YOU ARE FREE TO DO ANYTHING IN THE GAME THAT IS TEHNICALY ALLOWED".[/b] (just a short remark before this is held against me because of possible abuse or whatever: i have the chase spell since almost 2 years i could have chased into the drach lair and recruit drachs several times, i could have even went to angien shrine before it was open. but i never did because it made sense to me that u can recruit crits there that arent supposed to be bought easly.) and once again only the word CLOSED is used even in the forum post from mur. heck every damn shop tells me its closed after the workingshift is over but there are still people inside shopping who get to pay and purchase everything.

PLUS: i have another very good reason and PROOF why this punishment and whole incident has nothing to do with breaking rules, announcements, written laws or even offending anything that was ever mentioned to me or other people. i will not post that openly on forums but once i know who to contact with this i will send it to that/those person/s. i will ask if i am allowed to post that proof here because then the ultimate proof will be served.
what this case is about is a "law" that probably even the MDStaff (in case that staff even exists) never heard before.

SO to finally wrap this up:
if the trial goes in my favor i request that the punishment for all players who i teleported including myself to be undone and no further bad consequences to follow for us. since mur explained to me that prison time is impossible for a king i am willing to keep the kingship penality point which should serve as the punishment that would have been justified - a warning for something i didnt know was against the rules and something that was never anywhere written/declared as crime/offense.
ALSO very important: Seigheart never entered the drach cave and i didnt teleport him! but if i understand the announcement correct he was pardoned anyway. and i cant speak for smartalekrj i believed him when he told me he is allowed to invite as many people inside as he wants. i dont know if he lied or not but RJ if u didnt know it was against the rules please speak up here and explain ur situation.

if this trial is decided against me i will go down fighting for what i believe is right and just. these will then be my last moments as the first king of marind bell and seeker of knowledge lifeline. may my death hopefully at least accomplish that laws/rules get publically and officially posted so that they are well know and nobody else suffers my fate.

Edited November 23, 201015 yr by Shadowseeker

Just thought I'd say; interesting that the only time Lifeline speaks up is when his butt is on the burner, no? Anyways...
[quote name='Lifeline' timestamp='1290478779' post='72837']
RJ steps down on his own will and isnt stoned/demoted/kicked or anything. the players in the recent drach lair incident had no reason to mistrust him. he was a former rpc, still had access to the drach lair and is still the master of the cave (only he got access not even the golemus king can enter). RJ himself invited all of us into the drach lair so we had good reason to trust in his word and believe him.
("Part of his [b]rpc abilites[/b] will be withdrawn together with his [b]status[/b]" its a little unclear but status with a clear mention of rpc before can in my opinion only mean rpc status things get removed but not his role as master of the drach cave)
[/quote]
So, you're basically saying that you went along with it simply because you trust RJ? Blind faith doesn't pay off very well, as I recall.

[quote name='Lifeline' timestamp='1290478779' post='72837']
[i][2010-03-13 01:57:27 - Alpha 9]
it merely says it is closed with RJ still having access to it. it NEVER says anywhere that the location is offlimits or illegal to enter. since i know i will have to be real clear on this: open is the opposite of closed. so closed means that u cant open it. and indeed yes nobody can open it but RJ can walk inside (he has access) and several people can teleport others inside. it got closed when RJ lost his ability to open it for others. so closed refers only to nobody being able to open the lair and not that the location is offlimits or forbidden to enter.
[/quote]
So, you expect Mur to word every sentence perfectly, even though he's not a native English speaker?

[quote name='Lifeline' timestamp='1290478779' post='72837']
now here 33 drachorns were illegally purchased and the only punishment they got was that their illegal drachorns were sacrificed. RJ stayed drachorn master and still kept his access to the lair = he is the master of the cave, he owns it.
please compare to the recent case: nobody was able to recruit a single drachorn in the cave so no real harm was done and everything else like unjustified access ect was exactly the same as the situation before but never even mentioned back then. but now players got high punishment unlike the ones from the previous incident who completely abused the situation and recruited up to 11 drachorns per person illegally and got away with no punishment at all (expect the illegal drachs being sacrificed)
[/quote]
Sorry, but access to a location doesn't mean you own it.
As for the comparison; They are two seperate issues in two different time periods. Back then, draches were still rather rare, seeing as there was no CTC, and so the problem was the creatures. This time around, the problem is the location itself. As you said yourself, not even yrth has access to drach lair, that makes it quite special, so not just anyone should get in.

[quote name='Lifeline' timestamp='1290478779' post='72837']
and finally in the rules and restrictions it never says anything about locations being offlimit forbidden not even anything slighty close to that. but it does say the following:

[b]"You are free to do anything in the game that is tehnicaly allowed. If you consider that you discovered some sort of exploit or a bug, report it to a moderator. "[/b]

that is official game rule and it tells me of no restriction but even the contrary that i can do pretty much whatever i want.
[/quote]
The restrictions page is for general rules, it's not going to have specifics like "Don't go in the drach cave". You should know this. You should also know that just because you CAN do things, doesn't mean you won't get punished. For example, yourself, Lifeline, can jail any of your citizens at any time for absolutely any reason, if you choose to. That isn't addressed in the rules page, is it?

[quote name='Lifeline' timestamp='1290478779' post='72837']
the forum has 67,072 posts and mur has 1,355 posts. its not realistic for any person to read every single one and memorize it perfectly so even if somewhere on the forum it was explicitly said that the drach cave is forbidden to be entered or offlimits then it matters little because players simply dont see it, never did, or cant remember. actually i believe i checked all forum and here is the only thing i could find about drach cave from mur: "drach cave is closed explicitly, regardless if you have access to it or not." again it says CLOSED not forbidden to enter, offlimits, ect. but i wont explain the meaning of the word closed and its implication again.
[/quote]
As I gather, BigC and MasterB both had enough knowledge to know to leave the drach cave, and both of them have been absent for quite a while, whereas you, Lifeline, have been here in MD. How do you explain that?

[quote name='Lifeline' timestamp='1290478779' post='72837']
so to summarize this whole thing: heavy punishment was delivered to people who had no chance at all of knowing better. on top of that did the only player able to enter the cave and master of the drach lair personally invite them all. he is a trustworthy former rpc.
i believe the punishment is out of place because players involved simply didnt know it was against the rules and in fact NOWHERE in MD does it ever mention that it is against the rules.
[/quote]
Again, BigC and MasterB knew, according to Mur and you.

[quote name='Lifeline' timestamp='1290478779' post='72837']
from the announcements after the punishment: "Lifeline Kingship penalty
An official character, especially a king, commits a big crime if he sets such a negative example of ignorance towards announcements and rules. Cave was closed, officially, and announced, long ago. "
i am sorry but neither in the announcements nor in the rules does it say its a crime, offlimits, forbidden to enter, ect as i just prooved above. [b]ACTUALLY IT EVEN SAYS THE CONTRARY IN THE RULES. "YOU ARE FREE TO DO ANYTHING IN THE GAME THAT IS TEHNICALY ALLOWED".[/b] (just a short remark before this is held against me because of possible abuse or whatever: i have the chase spell since almost 2 years i could have chased into the drach lair and recruit drachs several times, i could have even went to angien shrine before it was open. but i never did because it made sense to me that u can recruit crits there that arent supposed to be bought easly.) and once again only the word CLOSED is used even in the forum post from mur. heck every damn shop tells me its closed after the workingshift is over but there are still people inside shopping who get to pay and purchase everything.
[/quote]
Lots of repeating yourself here, but your RL metaphor is kinda silly. Say the shop closes at 9PM. People might be around for another fifteen minutes at the most, then the shop empties. The way I see it, you came into the shop at 2 in the morning with someone who had keys and started having a dance competition (or whatever else you'd prefer to think of it as; basically something unrelated to the store itself).

[quote name='Lifeline' timestamp='1290478779' post='72837']
PLUS: i have another very good reason and PROOF why this punishment and whole incident has nothing to do with breaking rules, announcements, written laws or even offending anything that was ever mentioned to me or other people. i will not post that openly on forums but once i know who to contact with this i will send it to that/those person/s. i will ask if i am allowed to post that proof here because then the ultimate proof will be served.
what this case is about is a "law" that probably even the MDStaff (in case that staff even exists) never heard before.
[/quote]
Again, "law that nobody knows about" is known by two players who recently returned from absences, we can assume the general public would know as well.

[quote name='Lifeline' timestamp='1290478779' post='72837']
ALSO very important: Seigheart never entered the drach cave and i didnt teleport him! but if i understand the announcement correct he was pardoned anyway. and i cant speak for smartalekrj i believed him when he told me he is allowed to invite as many people inside as he wants. i dont know if he lied or not but RJ if u didnt know it was against the rules please speak up here and explain ur situation.
if this trial is decided against me i will go down fighting for what i believe is right and just. these will then be my last moments as the first king of marind bell and seeker of knowledge lifeline. may my death hopefully at least accomplish that laws/rules get publically and officially posted so that they are well know and nobody else suffers my fate.
[/quote]
If this trial goes against you, I will see you go down and laugh as your inactivity and seeming disinterest in the realm around you finally catches up to you.
On public rules: Rhaegar vs. Firs fiasco was all based on rules that weren't ever written, Rhaegar went to jail anyways.
Fenrir vs. dst: Where in MD does it say you can't slander someone? I mean, I'm even doing it a bit in this post. Fenrir went to jail anyways.

Would also like to add that ignorance of the rules doesn't exempt you from them.

Edited November 23, 201015 yr by Pipstickz

Im going to write what i think you are saying, and then ask for if it is indeed right since it is exceedingly large and bothersome, with many roundabout points.

So if you lose you will be perma banned?

Your defence is:
You trusted RJ and he was a former RPC
It didnt say it was off limits, merely closed
RJ is master of cave so he can do anything with it.
Previously they didnt get punished even when they rercuited Dracs
Rules and restrictions lets you do what you want.
The forum is big

You want:
all punishment to be removed
one King penalty on your account

These are your points yes?

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1290492154' post='72845']


As I gather, BigC and MasterB both had enough knowledge to know to leave the drach cave, and both of them have been absent for quite a while, whereas you, Lifeline, have been here in MD. How do you explain that?


Again, BigC and MasterB knew, according to Mur and you.

[/quote]


i not sure i should even bother posting here but i was there and do know of this first hand. first off i don't think anyone just left(maybe before i came back from idling but def not after), until we were told we were not supposed to be there. so i am not sure where you come up with what you just said. most of the people who were in the cave were idling like i was, i think but am not 100% sure both BigC and MasterB were not idling, BigC for sure wasn't not sure about MasterB. I am not pointing fingers here as to who did what but more or less trying to just say what i saw happen when i was there.

only thing i do know is i was the only person who was shocked to be in that lair and asked what was going on(in live chat). the logic about why he was in there made sense to me if no drachs are there and he had a spell to get in then it must be legal (note: i even clicked on a chubby hole out of curiosity and finding out that no drachs are there, and it says this is seighearts(sp) GGG fight lair, if that don't make it seem more legit idk what to say(also makes me wonder how they got a pardon?))??? however when he said there was a question of it being legal we all left (minus those idling of course). i honestly don't see how it was harming anyone, still don't. he went to a place, found out it was not to be used for what he intended and we left. no one even had a battle inside that i know of. now we could of stayed and fought for hours and hours, but we didn't.

i honestly don't believe any of these guys meant to cause any harm in the game. but i guess that is just my personal opinion.

If you don't mind I have a few things to say. First thing is this is NOT going to trail. There is no such thing as a trial against mur. He told me him self in a previous case.

This does not necessary Veto your argument though. Mur still may look at it in fact I am almost sure he will because it has your name and his name tagged to it. So no it wont go to court but it may be considered. You have just posted it in the wrong place.

Personal thoughts:
Ok on a personal level I like your arguments you make a strong point and most importantly you have won me to your side. You present previous events and how this relates to the past. You also explain the mistake. You finally state proof which is very important.

As for totally removing the sentences I think that is out of the question. The proof that you have likely does not prove total innocence. Yes you will have the king point removed as you did enter the cave. Although these other peoples sentences will likely be reduced.

Lifeline I like what your fighting for but you are not going to get it all. I would like you too meet a compromise though. Something that both you and mur find fair or at least more fair.

Omg!!! This has made my day . Thank you Lifeline!

I knew you were greedy but this is too much.

You're ignorant. And in this case ignorance is not bliss.

You're a vet. You should know the rules. Not liking the forum (as you stated in one of your posts last week) is not an excuse for your ignorance.
Blindly trusting a RJ is not an excuse.
You could have asked several players but noooo....you're above everyone. You deal only with people your own rank. You're better then us, the mere mortals.

You're a king. Again, you should know the rules.


And don't victimize yourself. You're not a victim. You're just a greedy player who got his toys removed. Get over it.

Honestly, I would simply say get over it.

The sentencing in my opinion weren't that harsh. RJ and Manda got restricted to the Lair, Seigheart got Pardoned, you lost a spell. There were no -real- casualties.

Going so over the top over something in which the punishment wasn't all too severe is a little melodramatic, don'tcha think? Simply put: Arguing your case good, being a drama llama and sacrificing yourself for a cause in which.. as stated, isn't too controversial in its reprimanding, is, well. Bad.

Even so, good luck to you.

I Tipu, Citizen of MB would support Lord Life line in this case
Cos' Today i don't need to beg for a Win and have won Head competeion 2nd place and maxed 16 creatures all credits goes to two player who helped me one is King Life line and the other is Queen of necro Peace. And i will defend them to death. Infact lifeline helped me when i was almost about to quit this game.

1)First of all these things happened cos MP5 players wants to train without being attacked and getting a loss.
2)That was not posible in an open area as they will be attacked.
3)So they chose to go balcony, even that area will discovered and attacked
4)Then they left with only one choise and that is Cave.
But all those four announcement did not solve the Root problem.

5)On one will use MD chat box any more other than for Role playing. I will prefer or even recommend messengers, even to say hi or bye.
6)No Vet MP5 players will come to aid weak player and get into trouble as in this case lifeline. iam sure He don't need a GGG for training he is too good for that.
7)How come the same rule applies to a MD char and a normal players.
8)As u can see lord lifeline still not fighting for himself but he is fighting for all those who get affected by this Courts decision. I don't need to say about his Character as the above say all.
9)Active ingame does not mean 24/7 hooked in front for a computer and play all life long. Plz understand everyone is playing a bigger game and that is "real life". I know since Lord lifeline is out in US and has to use a Netcafe to play this game, due to which from outside it seems he isn't active but those who have access to MB private forums will know the truth.
10)And where it states u should be active in forums too. Does it mean u can't be a king without having a forum account.

Finally all i have to say it this [b]If Lord lifeline accounts gets a Ban plz ban my ID too[/b]. (I really require a ban cos if not i will for sure login can stop my fingers from typing my MD account username hehe )
And i know many player who r close and friendly to Lord life line plz speak up. Plz don't see what Game creator will think of u or other will think about u. Its a matter of Loyalty, Friendship which other can't understand.

[quote]6)No Vet MP5 players will come to aid weak player and get into trouble as in this case lifeline. iam sure He don't need a GGG for training he is too good for that.[/quote]


You're right Tipu. He is better then that. He had his own personal training ground. He used to train in the GG Fort on the Libs. Why should he mix with us, the mortals?


[quote]8)As u can see lord lifeline still not fighting for himself but he is fighting for all those who get affected by this Courts decision[/quote]

He contradicts you
[quote]if the trial goes in my favor i request that the punishment for all players who i teleported [color="#FF0000"]including myself[/color] to be undone and no further bad consequences to follow for us[/quote]

@Tipu: [quote]He don't need a GGG for training he is too good for that.[/quote]

any idea on how he got "that" good??(strictly speaking from the "GGG training" point of view)

Edited November 23, 201015 yr by Indyra

first of all this is no joke i am dead serious!
and while speaking of death i will put my life on the line for this in order to avoid this trial being fake, postponed, stagnated, not taken serious, or whatever else like it was the case in the fenrir vs dst trial for example.


[color="#DDA0DD"]Sorry but within your first statement it shows this topic was started in anger. From personal experience i have found this to be a bad idea. But if you want me to take this seriously I will but that in turn meens i have to take another look at the incident as a whole.[/color]


just for the record the trial just stagnated and the judgement was never carried out while fenrir still played. then after several months fenrir quit the game and a few days later the judgement was spoken and of course against fenrir who had left by that time. so in order to avoid any fake trial and show my huge dissatisfaction with the last incident i will go all out on this one and make this about life and death for me. i will show all my determination in this trial and go down fighting for what i not only as player but also as king of a mainland believe is fair justice.


[color="#9932CC"]Again another refrence to call the trial fake? I for one could not comment on that trial as i do not know why it took so long and would not dare to comment on that trial without the facts.
[/color]

if i loose this trial i shall be openly executed (execution followed by perm ban for my main account and other accounts i have) and will pass the crown of marind bell and kingship title with all the kingship items to one of the council members of marind bell who i deem worthy of being the next king/queen.


[color="#9932CC"]Sorry but if you make the desision to go with this you leave the position open to the public, The people should be the ones to make the desision of their next king/queen.It does not matter whom YOU deem worthy of the position. That kind of change of the kingship position works for Necrovian as that is the particular setup for that land.[/color]


little info beforehand: i trusted a former rpc who wasnot stoned/demoted/kicked or anything. RJ ensured me he is allowed to invite as many people inside the drach lair as he wants so i believed him because he was still the master of the lair and it never says in the rules or announcements that the area is offlimits plus no more drachs can be recruited.


[color="#9932CC"]There are some many issues with this statement. It does not really matter what RJ’s rep is. The fact is the cave is part of Golemus, This SHOULD have flagged as an issue to you as it was not part of YOUR land. This should have made you go “oh hang on i should check this and not go on blind fate”. It does not matter IF he was still master in fact he was NOT by his own request he stepped down as such. This is in your own post showing the announcement [2009-09-01 13:06:58 - Alpha 9][/color]


so now lets get this started:
i hereby want to go to court against how mur and the "royal" court passed down judgement and handled the drachorn lair incident. especially how innocent players like masterb who didnt even know he would end up in drach lair got punished. he left the lair seconds after he got teleported in so no matter how u look at it he is perfectly innocent!


[color="#9932CC"]Now you start to insult me here. MasterB is a citizen of Golemus there for his issues with the punishment is in my hands NOT your again you step on my toes regards the issue, again you try to rule in my place with regards a citzen whom is not of your land. Is there something i should know?[/color]


i believe that the recent drachorn lair incident was handled most unfair and unjust. i will begin by posting all the announcements involving the drachorn lair:
[i]
[2009-09-01 13:06:58 - Alpha 9]
[b].SmartAlekRJ. steps down from RPC list on his own request. Part of his rpc abilites will be withdrawn together with his status, future of Drachorns is still to be decided.[/b] (For the record, the stated reason for him requesting the demotion is the recent situation with .Raven. where he considered that .Akasha. kept the issue public instead of solving it closed curtains between rpcs only.) [/i]

RJ steps down on his own will and isnt stoned/demoted/kicked or anything. the players in the recent drach lair incident had no reason to mistrust him. he was a former rpc, still had access to the drach lair and is still the master of the cave (only he got access not even the golemus king can enter). RJ himself invited all of us into the drach lair so we had good reason to trust in his word and believe him.
("Part of his [b]rpc abilites[/b] will be withdrawn together with his [b]status[/b]" its a little unclear but status with a clear mention of rpc before can in my opinion only mean rpc status things get removed but not his role as master of the drach cave)



[color="#9932CC"]So again you assumed, Again you show you did not consult others in this matter that has now come to a really big issue. Part of RJ’s rpc abilities was that he was a” drachorn master” He steped down as such by his own request. Stepping down from this position removed his status (Status = Drachorn Master). So from this announcement it should have already shown as an issue[/color]


[i][2010-03-13 01:57:27 - Alpha 9]
[b]Drachorn Cave closed for undefined time.[/b] It might get opend later or integrated somehow with a quest but for now it stays closed. (@Smartalekrj, drachs were supposed to be used as rewards for smart quests , not for who pays more.)[/i]

it merely says it is closed with RJ still having access to it. it NEVER says anywhere that the location is offlimits or illegal to enter. since i know i will have to be real clear on this: open is the opposite of closed. so closed means that u cant open it. and indeed yes nobody can open it but RJ can walk inside (he has access) and several people can teleport others inside. it got closed when RJ lost his ability to open it for others. so closed refers only to nobody being able to open the lair and not that the location is offlimits or forbidden to enter.


[color="#9932CC"]Right so now you are attacking how things are worded? You know well that English is not Mur’s first languadge. You know as well as i do when he says somewere is closed off that it also meens more. I think you have been very rude and also insulting to Mur in this. Your comment of “closed is the opposite of open” that was in its self extreamly rude of you to say that. As was said in another responce to you if a shop says it is closed, You know it is illegal to be in that shop even if someone that works there lets you in and leaves the shop. The damage you could do is huge in that sence and in RL it become a crime. Just because RJ still had access he did not have the ablity to give access or to even call people in. So he was limited to the having the lair access himself. YOU chose to jump to him with an ADMIN spell and then summon people in without thinking of the effect this would have on the others that were forcibly involved. [/color]


[i][2009-04-18 20:36:34 - Alpha 8]
Drachorn Eggs sacrifice day..not for Easter Eggs
Because of excessive amounts of drachorns when usual reward is 1 maximum 2, several measures have been taken against following players: Caster masc (aka tankfans) killed 7 drachorns eggs (all), .MRD. killed 10 drachorns eggs (all) , PTB killed 5 drachorns eggs (all), .Grido. killed 11 drachorn eggs. A few players were left with over 5 drachorns because of their role and because those drachorns are expected to be used as rewards for other players. [b].SmartalekRJ., the drachorn master,[/b] lost his ability to give access to the Drachorns Lair. [b]Access to the Lair was removed from all characters except .SmaralekRJ.[/b] . Access to the Lair and recruiting of just one, was a matter of trust, but it seems some considered it as a great opportunity to get too many rare creatures. Distribution of drachorns in the realm will be increased later when they will become again very rare (more than now). Those penalised should be happy that the penalisation was not higher. [/i]

now here 33 drachorns were illegally purchased and the only punishment they got was that their illegal drachorns were sacrificed. RJ stayed drachorn master and still kept his access to the lair = he is the master of the cave, he owns it.


[color="#9932CC"]What does he have the deeds to the lair now? Come one that is a week argument just because some one has access does not give them automatic right to the ownership. In fact if you wanted to go the route then i am the owner of the lair as king of the land.[/color]


now here 33 drachorns were illegally purchased and the only punishment they got was that their illegal drachorns were sacrificed. RJ stayed drachorn master and still kept his access to the lair = he is the master of the cave, he owns it.
please compare to the recent case: nobody was able to recruit a single drachorn in the cave so no real harm was done and everything else like unjustified access ect was exactly the same as the situation before but never even mentioned back then. but now players got high punishment unlike the ones from the previous incident who completely abused the situation and recruited up to 11 drachorns per person illegally and got away with no punishment at all (expect the illegal drachs being sacrificed)


[color="#9932CC"]Well read the statement above again. And what was the last line “Those penalised should be happy that the penalisation was not higher. “ wait what does that tell you if something like this is done again the punishment will be much harsher. Just that line alone would make me think twice before trying to pull of what you did.[/color]



and finally in the rules and restrictions it never says anything about locations being offlimit forbidden not even anything slighty close to that. but it does say the following:

[b]"You are free to do anything in the game that is tehnicaly allowed. If you consider that you discovered some sort of exploit or a bug, report it to a moderator. "[/b]

that is official game rule and it tells me of no restriction but even the contrary that i can do pretty much whatever i want.

[color="#9932CC"]So what you are saying here is if i have a way of clearing out every member of your alliance and destroy it, that i should do it because it is not agenst game rules and because i think i can? I also meen without using a bug to do it. There is a bit of common sence here as a king it is expected you have that as a skill and would know better.[/color]


the forum has 67,072 posts and mur has 1,355 posts. its not realistic for any person to read every single one and memorize it perfectly so even if somewhere on the forum it was explicitly said that the drach cave is forbidden to be entered or offlimits then it matters little because players simply dont see it, never did, or cant remember. actually i believe i checked all forum and here is the only thing i could find about drach cave from mur: "drach cave is closed explicitly, regardless if you have access to it or not." again it says CLOSED not forbidden to enter, offlimits, ect. but i wont explain the meaning of the word closed and its implication again.



[color="#9932CC"]Again you make an insult with regards a single word and trying to use a week argument in regards to it use. The forums may be large but there is also a large community that reads them. How hard is it to go to the king or even the leaders of the land involved and see if there would be an issue. A simple question to the people that are part of that land involved how hard is that?[/color]


so to summarize this whole thing: heavy punishment was delivered to people who had no chance at all of knowing better. on top of that did the only player able to enter the cave and master of the drach lair personally invite them all. he is a trustworthy former rpc.
i believe the punishment is out of place because players involved simply didnt know it was against the rules and in fact NOWHERE in MD does it ever mention that it is against the rules.



[color="#9932CC"]As pointed out you have been wrong in many areas. It is by the fault of you and the others whome organised this event/training ground to have let all involved know of the posiable issues. As i recal Grido made the warning to 2 players and they decided it was worth the risk. But had already moved people over to the location kowing this could be an issue.[/color]


from the announcements after the punishment: "Lifeline Kingship penalty
An official character, especially a king, commits a big crime if he sets such a negative example of ignorance towards announcements and rules. Cave was closed, officially, and announced, long ago. "
i am sorry but neither in the announcements nor in the rules does it say its a crime, offlimits, forbidden to enter, ect as i just prooved above. [b]ACTUALLY IT EVEN SAYS THE CONTRARY IN THE RULES. "YOU ARE FREE TO DO ANYTHING IN THE GAME THAT IS TEHNICALY ALLOWED".[/b] (just a short remark before this is held against me because of possible abuse or whatever: i have the chase spell since almost 2 years i could have chased into the drach lair and recruit drachs several times, i could have even went to angien shrine before it was open. but i never did because it made sense to me that u can recruit crits there that arent supposed to be bought easly.) and once again only the word CLOSED is used even in the forum post from mur. heck every damn shop tells me its closed after the workingshift is over but there are still people inside shopping who get to pay and purchase everything.


[color="#9932CC"]As a land king you did something so agenst the rules even though they are not written and you realised that far to late. You as a king and official character of another land did something that should have been considered as an act of WAR is that what you want it to be? You are an official character of Marind Bell you know what the meens and what responciablities that has with it. You know your action should have been seen as a very aggressive action agenst Golemus but you know i worked to make it not the case.[/color]


PLUS: i have another very good reason and PROOF why this punishment and whole incident has nothing to do with breaking rules, announcements, written laws or even offending anything that was ever mentioned to me or other people. i will not post that openly on forums but once i know who to contact with this i will send it to that/those person/s. i will ask if i am allowed to post that proof here because then the ultimate proof will be served.
what this case is about is a "law" that probably even the MDStaff (in case that staff even exists) never heard before.


[color="#9932CC"]Now you make a treath to Mur/staff/court. In regards to some information you have, so now you are taking an even more aggressive stance towards the community of MD and not just agenst Mur. This speaks volumes about you and i am sorry but that is not good in my eyes. [/color]


SO to finally wrap this up:
if the trial goes in my favor i request that the punishment for all players who i teleported including myself to be undone and no further bad consequences to follow for us. since mur explained to me that prison time is impossible for a king i am willing to keep the kingship penality point which should serve as the punishment that would have been justified - a warning for something i didnt know was against the rules and something that was never anywhere written/declared as crime/offense.


[color="#9932CC"]Ignorance is not bliss this is one of the rules. It would not be so bad if you accepted your punishment with grace but now you are doing this. I am sorry i have tried to be partial but i have read this 3 post 3 times and the more i read it the more i find i am disappointed in you and your actions.[/color]


ALSO very important: Seigheart never entered the drach cave and i didnt teleport him! but if i understand the announcement correct he was pardoned anyway. and i cant speak for smartalekrj i believed him when he told me he is allowed to invite as many people inside as he wants. i dont know if he lied or not but RJ if u didnt know it was against the rules please speak up here and explain ur situation.


[color="#9932CC"]So you are saying you CAN speak for seigheart? He may not have enterd the lair but he was intending on doing so and even said he would accept the punishment. None of us know why Mur pardoned him only him and mur know why. So please stick to what you know[/color]



if this trial is decided against me i will go down fighting for what i believe is right and just. these will then be my last moments as the first king of marind bell and seeker of knowledge lifeline. may my death hopefully at least accomplish that laws/rules get publically and officially posted so that they are well know and nobody else suffers my fate.


[color="#9932CC"]You have brought this upon yourself and you have only yourself to blame.
[/color]
[b]NOTE:
I know there are many spelling mistakes in this responce but i have already wasted 1 hour and 30min to respond to this topic and i am am to tired to clean it up properly.
had to remove all quating as i get this message You have posted more than the allowed number of quoted blocks of text[/b]

Edited November 23, 201015 yr by Yrthilian

I have but one extra notion to enter into this topic, I'm still thinking about the rest.

My notion is that you, Lifeline, are a king.
As a king, you can be expected to be aware of the current state of affairs, as well as being an experience player, into any random category of MD, though not necessarily in an expert manner.
It's not a necessity, but it is to be expected. Why? Because otherwise these kinds of affairs and problems will come your way.

You as king should've known that RJ had indeed abused the right to distribute the drachorn eggs. That is why it was closed, implicitly it means that RJ is not the real trusted player he once was.
You as king should've known that RJ doesn't play on a daily or regular basis and as such, could've, much like you, not be in complete awareness of the current state of affairs.
You as king should've realized that the drachorn cave is in GG lands, that the authority of the king supercedes that of RJ as the already 'demoted' drach master, as well as come to the realization that by simply [i]being inside of the drachorn cave you still re-open the possibility of the same abuse that got some of RJ's powers removed'.[/i]
Not only that, you completely ignored the 'Manda incident'.

You as king, should've taken these things into account and realized that a new GGG could've been in a much better place, than in a place [i]which was closed down, simply because of being there, opens up the ability to abuse[/i].
The aforementioned facts should have made you doubt the worth and legality of the drachorn cave as a new training place.

As a king, no, as an experienced player, you should've contacted either the staff beforehand, or Yrthilian.
We may not have treaties set up between MB and GG, but I assure you, it looks insulting.

You are king, not a newbie.

The only part where you actually behaved as a king, and I commend you for that, is that you lay the blame upon yourself and wish to absolve others, as you believe it was beyond their control and they are not implicitly involved in the crime.

Edited November 23, 201015 yr by Metal Bunny

[i]"An other condamnable act is that a King of a land cares to develop something in an other land, ignoring borders, and not trying to bring the activiy to his land."[/i]
Since it wasn't mentioned in this thread, I take it this is not being contested?

[quote name='Lifeline' timestamp='1290478779' post='72837']
It merely says it is closed with RJ still having access to it. it NEVER says anywhere that the location is offlimits or illegal to enter. since i know i will have to be real clear on this: open is the opposite of closed.
[/quote]
The word closed often implies off limits. In this case the implication is very clear and anybody that is around long enough knows that Mur isn't the kind of person who is going to triple check his statements for being juridically perfect. But let us take your second quote: [i]"drach cave is closed explicitly, regardless if you have access to it or not."[/i] ie, the cave is "closed" even if it is mechanically "open". So either Mur was trying to contradict himself or he used "closed" to imply "off limits".

[quote]PLUS: i have another very good reason and PROOF why this punishment and whole incident has nothing to do with breaking rules, announcements, written laws or even offending anything that was ever mentioned to me or other people. i will not post that openly on forums but once i know who to contact with this i will send it to that/those person/s. i will ask if i am allowed to post that proof here because then the ultimate proof will be served.[/quote]
So it was impossible for you to contact either Mur or Chewett discretely? I know Chewett is not in charge of the game, but he is in charge of the forum so he should be able to help you. You couldn't wait even for a single day? Instead you post that you have ultimate proof, leading to another ten pages of speculation on whether or not you have it.

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1290492154' post='72845']
Fenrir vs. dst: Where in MD does it say you can't slander someone? I mean, I'm even doing it a bit in this post. Fenrir went to jail anyways.
[/quote]
I'm quite certain it isn't allowed. Any online community has a standard 'no slander, sexual harassment, denial of holocaust...' policy because those things are not legal in the country where the server exists and legal blah blah... it's also common sense.


[quote name='Tipu' timestamp='1290502913' post='72873']
1)First of all these things happened cos MP5 players wants to train without being attacked and getting a loss.
2)That was not posible in an open area as they will be attacked.
3)So they chose to go balcony, even that area will discovered and attacked
4)Then they left with only one choise and that is Cave.
[/quote]
Motives are interesting to consider when determining punishment. They are not relevant to establishing guilt.

[quote]
7)How come the same rule applies to a MD char and a normal players.
[/quote]
We're upset the same rules apply to everyone? Not that I know what 'MD char' you are referring to...

[quote]
And i know many player who r close and friendly to Lord life line plz speak up. Plz don't see what Game creator will think of u or other will think about u. Its a matter of Loyalty, Friendship which other can't understand.
[/quote]
This is the court section of the forum. If you want to show support without arguments, there are other and more efficient ways.

First of all rename this if you want it to make any sense:

[b]"Lifeline Vs Murs And Courts Decision In The Drach Lair Incident"[/b]
to
[b]"Lifeline Vs Decision In The Drach Lair Incident"[/b]

There are no trials against me. period. Why? consider it part of my role specifications. MD is a mixture of good and bad decisions, this should remind you democracy is a luxury you don't actually have in here.


How i see things:

- You managed to keep decency while angry on me, thats good (others didn't), for this alone i will allow this "trial" to go on
- Your concerns are for YOU and at most a group of people but you don't seem to be concerned about you as a King too much
- You like to interpret words, MD is not RL, you will not manage to go around things by wording loopholes.
- You are ready to lose everything over this, makes me think how "much" you value what you have
- You twist evidence just to favor you, but you miss one fact..what you sis screams out load "WRONG"
- There is no pardon for not knowing rules, and my word IS rule unless i say its opinion. I was perfectly clear about the cave.

You as a king have the enormous advantage that you can ask me anything directly, you didnt.
For me its clear, in the perspective of personal advantage you pretended to not know, but once this turned against you you try to pose as a victim. Most of the other details were covered by others in their replies.

I will do you a favor, I will let this to go on and ask the Council to disregard my wish as a ruler and reanalyze the situations in their own terms. You can have it by public vote for all i care. The decision on your and others punishment was taken be ME, bypassing the council because it involved decisions that can't be taken by anyone else than me, like the pardoning of seig, or hunting down of each and everyone there for "opinions" about them being there. Your case doesn't involve any exception, it can be handled by council or by public even.


[b]You will lose a second point for this if you fail. ..mainly because it is not the behaviour of a king to act like this. [/b]


And note, if you ever play so easy about ban requests , i will grant you this "wish". If you don't care about your own character in md , why should I?

@Mur: So then you agree that what you said about the cave was in a forum post and not an ingame announcement? If you want to call me ignorant for not reading 30,000+ forum messages be my guest. But it's not like I missed an announcement or a personal message from you saying that the cave was restricted. And I don't expect you to care, however I do expect the use of practical reasoning skills. Not something like you dont like me or Manda for some reason or another and that is where you seen the opportunity to classify some "just cause."

@RJ:"Ignorance is no excuse for not knowing the rules" especially if they concern your character directly RJ so please don;t bring this forward , you only make it worse.

If you state that you didn;t know the rules( because the announcemnent was on the forum not "ingame" - i don;t know for sure but i'll check as soon as i can) you dismiss your own character because you weren't interested enough to maintain your own role ( as an retired drachorn master). You and Lifeline are no noobs so your excuse for not reading the forum only shows lack of interest.Even if reading it in a diagonal and that should have popped out since you were directly involved and it was also quite a fuss about it. And i see you both use the forum when in need .You desacrated a sacred place , that most of all should be sacred to you ( as a drachorn master) So please choose were you stand ( are you the retired drachorn master or just a regular player with no role ?) or at least have the decency to take responsibility for your actions. As a former RPC with a specific role and as King of one of the Lands you have to be an example - both of you failed.

@ Lifeline : if i would have started a training grup in Champions Dome or inside the Angien Shrine - would you go quiet if i didn;t ask your approval before i did it ?

(edited for spelling)

Edited November 23, 201015 yr by Indyra

What about what Grido told you? And was it that hard to ask Mur in an e-mail? Was the pressure so great to train in that night that you could not wait until you got an answer?

You have no excuse RJ.

i announced the cave to be closed. i posted the forum post for clarification. Closed means closed, with or without any other explenation.

In any case, from entering the cave yourself, to what you did (allowing others, lots, to enter there) is a big big difference. The rule was made so that you could enter the cave just under the radar, and nobody would have noticed or agitated so much if you respected common sense. Your punishment in case you didnt noticed, was for desecrating that place not for entering it yourself.

I bet you think that because i am refering to a forum posted rule this a good excuse for you to disregard it. It might have been so if i was to punish you according to that clarification, or if others didnt knew about it. But as long as other people in your "crime group" knew it is something wrong and knew about the rule clarification on the forum, you have no excuse. Most of all you have no excuse because it was something related to YOUR role so yes you should have checked what i say about YOUR role on the forum.

I would like to point out something that everyone else seems to have missed; Lifeline is not a native English speaker either. His levels of English may be better than Murs, but Mur is not always clear to those of us who speak English, let alone those who speak it as a second or third language.

Just thought I would point that out. That is all.

~V

I have to say this actually quite an interesting case if you want to call it that. Despite not being a trial (which I stated earlier in the post that it wouldn't pass as such) it is actually being answered in a judicial manner. Vote left to people is a jury and mur is taking a defense stance.

Though technically at least in real court it is not a court battle. First off a jury only takes part in criminal cases. However this is a civil case which would require a judge which will not be provided as the judge is the defendant.

Though since I have seen more of the dispute I have switched sides once again as Yrthilian has showed his expression to the current ideals. Quite frankly im surprised you haven't started a war yet. Setting foot in enemy territory is an offense. Also if I was king I would exile RJ (im assuming he is GG) as he is a traitor for letting them in.

As for lifeline threatening to make this trial his execution I see it actually highly probable it might be as well as some of the people who have decided to put there neck out for him. We have had sacrifices in necrocron I dont see why not executions in marnidbell.

Edit: (Ok got power again) As for passing on the kingship that is not possible. It was posted right inside the announcements that it is necrocrons government which allows that it is not a given right as king it is a reserved right for necro. Though I do not dought it will be a council member just not the one you decide.

Edited November 23, 201015 yr by Kamisha

@ chew

"So if you lose you will be perma banned?"
yes and once again this is no bluff. if i will not get banned i will make sure to pass along kingship and let the player lifeline die in MD.

"Your defence is:..."
mostly yes. main point is that the rules cover a lot like how rude language/insults and slander is bannable, mentions wishpoints abuse, swearing, and almost everything u can think about but never offlimit locations in general. the rules state several things as crimes dst commits over and over again but something for what people get hugely punished for isnt even mentioned. and once again best example is masterb here. he didnt even know he would end up in drach lair. a minute after i summoned him in he left and teled back to papercabin.
and for me the way every incident in the drach lair got handled shows very clearly that RJ still kept his authority and owns the place. if not even the gg king can enter then yes i believe RJ is the highest authority to ask there(expect mur of course). i simply had no reasons to not believe what RJ told me.
as for what i want if i win this trial please refer to my orginal post it is said very clearly there.

@ Tipu
thank u very much for the support i am really touched but please think about it very clearly. u now have a clear mission to carry out, how i handle this situation is my way of living so please dont rush into something u might regret.

[quote name='Metal Bunny' timestamp='1290512683' post='72893']
As a king, no, as an experienced player, you should've contacted either the staff beforehand, or Yrthilian.
We may not have treaties set up between MB and GG, but I assure you, it looks insulting.
[/quote]

i apologized to yrth and explained the situation but if i have to again then here very quickly: gg king has no access to the lair, RJ does so i thought RJ is the authority to contact. and please read the new announcement maybe then u can see that it was easy to make a mistake there.
and now no offense but it looked insulting? when burns boldly posted a gg recruitment poster in the middle of MB without ever asking me i didnt go to war. i even kindly ask him to simply move it outside of MB. and guess what after that another incident where gg citizen overstepped land borders. burns actually sets up the fight club at the park while i was planning something there myself. once again he never asked me and i only kindly told him to move it somewhere else because i had an own dojo planned. i mean no offense here but i am really surprised how 3 leaders of golemus keep tellng me i insulted their land, stepped on their toes, ect and in the past a gg leader did worse to MB and all i did was kindly notice him that it is a land under a king and not their playfield. come on a recruitment poster for gg alliance in the heart of MB without ever asking me? what is that?! but anyway lets forget about all that and concentrate on the trial here. i certainly do not wish to bring up old problems (they are past and gone) or endanger my friendship to golemus. so lets just move on and not bring it up anymore.


@ many other people please read the rules and restrictions ingame it seems u never did. it is amazing how many things are covered in there that even get violated on a consistant basis but are never punsihed or very lightly even if the rules say its forbidden in bold big red.


[quote name='Muratus del Mur' timestamp='1290519477' post='72903']
- You are ready to lose everything over this, makes me think how "much" you value what you have

You as a king have the enormous advantage that you can ask me anything directly, you didnt.
For me its clear, in the perspective of personal advantage you pretended to not know, but once this turned against you you try to pose as a victim. Most of the other details were covered by others in their replies.

And note, if you ever play so easy about ban requests , i will grant you this "wish". If you don't care about your own character in md , why should I?
[/quote]

i currently have little internet and even have to pay for it (i actually write all this MD stuff offline and just log into the inet to post it). my personal advantage out of a training ground? i didnt even use the place i left it without a single attack. nor could i have used it for at least 2 months because i have no time at all and probaly not afterwards as well (oh and after 2 months dst would have surely managed to destroy it). and now please everybody think about this if i knew i was doing something bad why go into drach lair? i could have gone to fields of fear even much more easly. that would have been a save location at least until the next torch competetion. but i am sick of trying to proof that anymore the important people have decided i am an abuser well fine then let them be my guest.
how i value stuff... let me explain a small fraction of my name what it means. and now this is truely only the smallest part of it. Life line - living on the line in a constant embrace with death. its about the present moment the only thing i believe truely exists. so what i value is the present not the past that is gone and not the future that doesnt exists yet.
dont make this about what i value or not there is only value for the present - the gift that is the same to all. it matters not if i am a king or newbie in the aspect of value. we all got the very same power to influence this very moment and thats all one can ever really claim.
i dont care about my character in MD just because i embrace death? death is merely the stripping away of everything that isnt myself. and myself is not a person that will tolerate laws and rules that are handled like this. so yes strip that away from me and with that allow me to become who i truely am.
(i ment everything i said and if this trial results in the death of the player lifeline then i hope it was for something that made an impact and gave life to an improved system that will ensure better handling)
(oh and i didnt ask u personally because i thought RJ was allowed to invite people inside and if for every possibly bad choice i could have made as king i would have ask u u would have been very busy with me. the only game i play since 2 years is MD and besides that i have a very tight schedule myself so i can perfectly understand that u have no time and respect ur time. i will say it again i HAD CONCERNS but after listening to RJ i was convinced its all fine)


[quote name='Indyra' timestamp='1290524472' post='72914']
@ Lifeline : if i would have started a training grup in Champions Dome or inside the Angien Shrine - would you go quiet if i didn;t ask your approval before i did it ?[/quote]

i already excused burns twice to what u people urself call violation of a land. and yes champ dome would have been no problem i would have messaged u that i am disappointed about not being ask (note i appologized to yrth) but would let ur training ground be there. why shouldnt i? its a good project that helps PLAYERS which in my opinion is much more important than land and territory.

chew can u please change the name of the topic into what mur suggested "Lifeline Vs Decision In The Drach Lair Incident" i cant do that. thanks in advance

EDIT: need to add something more because this is what this is about the rules and restrictions. really have a look at them and u will see that especially the bold or red rules were offended very often and that the violators either got no punishment at all or were really light ones. the rules really cover a lot like impersonation of other players. how then can players get hugely punished without a trial, their voices being heard, their case properly investigated, ect for something that not only never appears in the rules but also never in the announcements? i will keep stressing masterb case here because i see no reason at all for him to be guilty of anything. that recruiting crits u shouldnt be able to isnt allowed makes sense just on a common sense basis. but that a few locations are offlimit or what this seems to really be about restricted to only a certain number of players is never mentioned anywhere. and mur said so himself the crime was having LOTS of people inside the lair just 1 or 2 would have been no problem at all. and that truely is never even mentioned anywhere including forums. so all i am doing here is asking for a warning instead a punishment. a warning that still results into a kingship penality point for me but nothing else especially for the people i teleported.

Edited November 23, 201015 yr by Lifeline

@ Life
You can thank Shadowseeker for that


My personal opinion is that one thing you wont get is chase spell back. Its rather abusable as you can jump to *nearly* anyone. I remember when we had RPC meetings and such, it was relateivly hard to make sure people didnt jump to leader and chase you...

[quote]he rules state several things as crimes dst commits over and over again[/quote]

How manly of you Lifeline! And how courageous! Yes! Blame dst! She is to blame for all of this! C'mon! Find a better joke. This one is getting older.

Why didn't you raised the issue if it bothered you so much and IF you had proofs? Huh? Wait! I know. You are better then all the others. And you only read the rules and announcements that serve your interests.

@Kamisha, this is not a trial against me...its not as if you could jail me or, who knows, ban me (regardless how much some want that). It is a "trial" to question the fairness of the punishment i gave for this incident. I allready stated my point of view, and i step back for the Council to do its own evaluation of the facts and reanalyze the case, Lifelines part. Council can be contacted at contact@magicduel.com, and no its not a bluff, there are real people there, they will respect my request to reanalyze this from scratch.
About new king, in case we reach that point, there is no benefit in picking a council member as one, imagine how hard it will be to penalize him in case its needed.

I am afraid that council would have been less creative on this and i wanted a creative punishment, like for example jailing smart in the cave itself instead of the prison, things the council would have avoided as it causes chain events.



As a ruler of MD i might have failed in the way rules are enforced or made clear. I dont deny that, its possible. Thats why i consider a personal decision on something gives personality, it makes things ..different...not just fair or unfair.

@Lifeline, if you intend of making this case Lifeline vs MD you should say so, otherwise decide what it is you are blaming. Is it my judgement, the way rules are presented, how they are applied, a particular detail , etc.

Lets not turn this into a random rant about how unsatisfied you are. Keep focus, you don't get many chances to question a punishment i give so use it properly.

PS: do you think we can discuss king matter while all flambated like this? I need kings decision on a new MB guild...but it can wait if you wish.