Muratus del Mur

Ok so here are the votes, all details except personal details about players, like name, days, ip etc. I am starting to have the feeling some of you realy don't trust me, well no problem, votes will always be available public if demanded. [attachment=1212:Necrovion_votes.html] P.s. when generating the above attachment i noticed last 4 votes not being marked/counted. After doing a little investigation i discovered that they were cast after i started the count so they were not in my review list. Unfortunatly these votes were not counted. Their influence on the final result is not significant, because of the big score difference, however the votes were given both to peace and jester. I left those on the list so you can see those arguments too.

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only the credits you got from that site were remove, nothing more, you should be glad. You didnt lost anything, you just spent more than you had.

Wow, very interesting to read all this. @Granos, well done pointing all those things out. I also consider not to many people understand the shades. However, if the course of events goes that way, i am willing to see what happens. If MD ballance get to be destroyed by its players, so be it. When i place a land fate in a vote, i am willing to accept its results and implications. The question is, are you ready? I am glad that on the election list each member belongs to a different category and each represents an interesting future for Necrovion. @The Truthspeaker: i am sorry you don't understand much about it. Players that abuse things get punished. Those that manage to stay at the edge of abusing dont get punished, in fact they get rewarded in a way or an other. take dst for example, she always knew that her actions will cost her much when she will step wrong. Rendril Revant, quite new on my bug abusers/testers radar, he gets rewarded for discovering bugs or exploits, he gets baned if he does damage by mistake. Liberty, created those characters as part of his roleplay, since no one else did that and all that created alt accounts in such number used them for cheating and not rp, he was alowed that role. Once such a delicate role is taken, no other can do similar, unfortunatly for you. He also knows that stepping wrong with his Lib alts will cost him a lot. The players that have been alowed to stay at the edge of abusing (NOT abusing) earned there position. About chat spam and faul talk in public locations, no one is allowed to do that. It is alowed to talk whatever you want in non public locations as long as there is no one there to be disturbed by what you say.

everything has a beginning , even land leaderships

if enough people vote you, yes. The reason is that if there are not enough people in loreroot to vote for you or to vote someone else than you, it means the fate of loreroot is in the hands of the entire realm. Its not the case of LR, but you cant expect a land with 10 people for example to vote its own king and then act as a LAND and expand population. Normaly the arguments count a lot, and based on those arguments i can see what people think about you as a possible king, if you get enough votes to be king of LR (just example) and those votes get good rating because they have good arguments, then thats it. At current point lands do not have a clear population. Once there will be a way to determine citizenship exactly, the voting of the king will be more land orientated and the citizens of a land will have a much stronger vote than outsiders. Right now people are migrating between lands, they claim to be a land but act for an other, everything is a mess in my opinion, so yes, the vote is conisdered regardless of land, because right now all have a word to say who should be king and who not. To be a King or a Queen is first of all a personal achievement, a true king could rule either land , only thing that differs is the motivation and affection towards a land or an other. A bad king or queen could not rule any kind of land. I want to mention that PWR or RPC is not required to candidate. A certain level of popularity IS required. I will not accept submissions from players that i consider not old enough (in-game) for such a position, because i have to assume any could win.

whole md comunity, more exactly players over 50 days can vote. The way the votes will be given weight will be disclosed after voting ends to avoid abuse. Current candidates are Ledah and Peace, i am waiting for more . I can't believe there are just two people wishing that seat. The voting will start soon if there are no more submissions. (Only after Necrovion elections end will the Loreroot ones begin, then Marind Bell)

email or pm it to me, i will include it in a word doc and attach it to the voting page once it starts. Include all details you consider so that people will know what your plans are, and why to vote you. put a CLEAR title to the message or email you will send , like: Full Username - King of {Land Name} First elections are for Necrovion.

If you are not sending me the candidacy requests like i asked, providing all needed details to be voted, you will end up surprised that someone else became king of your land and you didn't even participate.

what about this: - king can allow new citizens in based on their intention letter - king can kick people out of the land (remove citizenship) only if they did something against the land. That allows people to be part of a land but also be against its leader and be immune to revenge on this reason, unless they do somethign wrong for the land itself (land image, military, treason, abuse, etc) in other words, citizenship is gained by making the king accept you, but cant be removed same way

I opened the elections, YOU decide the candidates. How you will do that, if its the people to suggest the candidates or the cancidates to submit themselves, its up to you. I am open to anything because it will be put to a vote anyway. I am not hasting anyone into picking a King or Queen, these things should have be established by now, i am just giving a crown to those elected. Normaly each land should have a leader, if you consider this to be hasty (@pample) then it means you are thinking of new leaders and not the ones allready existing as i thought. There will always be people against the leadership.. ALWAYS. There are two options that i can see: 1. To force by my rule the kings to accept within their lands also those opposed to them as long as they prove to be _LOYAL TO THE LAND_ 2. To use No Mans Land as a outcast land for all those banished from their lands, basicaly an outpost for takeover attempts and political hits. I am open to other suggestions. People are often loyal to the land not to the leader, yet they have to obey the leader even if they do not agree with him. A dificult decision, but untill i hear a good option, kings have absolute power. Regarding the denomination, i don't care if its called head of council or King or whatever official leader name you want. It should be a fair name and not something like Archmage of the dark, or Supreme Emperor, or other such things. (If you cant pick a decent one i will pick one without asking you twice) What i care about is that ONE person will have the final power. If you wish to rule by a council, fine, but that council should manifest its decisions through the "king" and the king will have last decision and will also be able to disband the council if he so wishes. One central point of power, one personality to shape the land, to stop argues, or to cause new ones. One king, one judge. Because this terrible lack of kings you got used to argue and to question decisions, but if it were only one power to decide if what you want can or can not be done, then you would not start with things like i love the land but i hate the king. This overpowered king thing comes a bit with a shock to some of you, but i am sure it will give more flavor to MD over time instead of the constant stress that its now when it comes to who has the power. If you feel you should be king, do not hesitate to see what people think about this. If you see little reaction and suspect you wont get many votes, don't bother to candidate, but if you see decent to good reaction, candidate ... who knows what the future reserves...maybe the new king will ban cookies and sugar production and keep them as currency ..you wont be able to complain.

Ok it will be an option , but when i will work on a cetralized config page where you can edit option related to game interface. When i will resume AL i will place it first while its updated.

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the "wife" of the king is a queen by name. What the policy will be within that land, if the queen has influence over the people, that will depend on the king to decide. If there is a queen elected, the "husband" of the queen will be...prince? I am not sure about the naming but i think calling him King will cause confusion. I am open to suggestions and historical examples. The important part is that the power should stay with the one that was elected and not shared equaly with an other part unless this is part of the official policy that the king presents.

First neutral land that will get a leader will be tribunal, but don't hurry on that, i prepared a surprise. Having a leader means to have a voice as a land and influence both your land and other lands. For now i don't want other than the 4 main lands to have a direct influence but only an indirect one. Neutrality is not the right word to use, because they are not neutral, but its an other word i cant find (suggestions?) A land is defined by several factors: - it must be independent from other lands regarding creatures supply, altar, sanctuary, land weapon, leadership. - has a background identity, like a main characteristic or tale, one that influences other lands. In other words to be a land it has to be part of the "land balance" - It has to have a decent surface - It must have a borderline and an entrance that can be considered a gate from a graphical point of view. - It should have a main vulnerability (all lands have, but i think most are not discovered yet) these are some guidelines of what i consider to be a land at time of developing.

of course it will lead to issues .. but this time the king will stop them, by force or nicely. It is time for the lands to have a stronger attitude and be actualy LANDS. wars and riots will be always, with or without a king, but a king, brings more personality to the lands and the events related to them. With one king, power will be abused only from one official point, if you can say that, instead of many.

There are matters that need a decision reached and not a neutral one. I can not afford not to be neutral towards the lands, so i can't decide on these matters. So, if not a king, who should take these subjective decisions that add to the land "profile"? A king should care about his land only and sometimes what is good for the entire realm is not good for a particular land. I can take those decisions that regard the realm while a king would take the decisions that concern his land and by that give identity to the land. Lands without leadership have little authority because they are splitted by internal riots and don't have a central pillar. In case an other form of rulership is required, then it should be submited as an option with the consent of all those involved. For example a council ruled land, it should present the council members and the technical way in which they will conclude on decisions, majority vote, random, unanimity vote, etc.

Only those that want. You cant force anyone into being a king. ..but of course you can tell that person you would vote if they participate.

After the Yrthilian voting I have been thinking a lot about the issue with the lands and their kings in the realm. A king should have _power_, but should also earn his reputation and respect. Respect should not be granted by default. A king that can't get his poeple to respect him is not a king afterall, but power should be granted. Of course power and respect are directly related, you will respect more someone that could kill you by pointing a finger. Based on recent events, i consider Kings could be "banished" by first taking over the main alliance of their land and then instigating their people to vote against them. The word banished is better than demoted, because kingship should not be considered a job or promotion but an absolute position. The powers of such a ruler should be absolute over the people of his land. Therefor i will implement a citizenship system and players will be marked as beinng part of a land or an other, obeying the rules of that land and accepting the king, or queen, as the one person (except me ) to have decision power over their destiny. The king will be able to change tags of his people, but for now these tags should be first discussed with me and i will check and aprove if they are indeed deserved. I dont want a tag inflation or tags to lose their importance, but i also don't want tags to be forgotten or ignored just because some got them and most didn't, like its now. The king can directly decide regarding things that concern the land, such as land weapon, character belonging to that land, direction the land will go in diplomatic situations with other lands, etc. Regarding characters, the current realm situation is like this: - Wodin belongs to GG land. It can be summoned by the aliance leader of the land, or by its king if these two are not one and the same. - Shade Sentinel does not belong to its people but the people belong to it. However, the Sentinel does not have direct decision power over the people and Necrovians have their free will. A HUMAN king will be elected soon. While humans and shades are in good relations within Necrovion, the Sentinel will most likely not cross the words of the king. - The summoned army has no identity, it will act as an animal with no regard of king or diplomacy. - Knator Commander, even if no longer holding an official position within Loreroot, its a Lorerootian creature and in matters that involve the benefit of the land , he obeys only the king. Being a retired general, he can refuse to join army, but he can never turn weapons against Loreroot. - The character that will be assigned to Marind Bell in the future, will have similar rules as the Shade Sentinel. The Angiens and the people of Marind Bell are occupying the land same as submarines and fishes occupy the ocean. Humans can not decide over the Angiens, and angiens will never decide over the wishes of humans as long as they live in good relations together. In case of need, Angiens as well as Shades, will be always at the side of their land and never against it. being at the side of the land does not always mean being at the side of its leadership, it means protecting its interests. The order of power in the realm is this: - Muratus del Mur (Me) - People Votes - Kings - Administrative structures and councils Untill other changes in the realm, i consider this to be the political base structure. It can be adapted to each land by using the power of vote, confirmed by me. Note that the power of vote is above Kings. Votes can banish kings, but i won't hold kingship elections to often i can assure you of that. As I said above, you need first to takeover the land before claiming to be its king. Elections to establish Kings for each land will start now, i will be organizing them one by one and keep you informed on the main newslog and here on the forum. Each land will require a slightly different political structure. It is the duty and right of the king to keep or not to keep this political structure. If he wants to rule by a council, or be a dictator, the king decides, of course with the risk of starting a riot. For the elections candidates will be required to present their political plan for people to see before they vote. Last note: Because MD is not a democracy by default, i will not accept in king position any person that i do not feel confortable with, or that i can not communicate easily to. I will not replace kings and i will respect their decisions always, but I WILL in case i consider needed, initiate new elections (without taking over their land) if i consider such elections are needed and there is no one able to initiate them.

by short i mean keep a short list of arguments, but don't cut out important arguments just to keep it short for example long means to talk about same argument a lot, without bringing anything new, like some did , wrote a lot and received low score, and short means to keep a clear list of arguments with enough description to be understood clearly. Assuming i was willing to give a 10, it could have been reached by writing 10-20 lines of arguments, clearly describing them. Voting on the forum and then NOT voting on the new system is not an excuse, you could have copy pasted your arguments there. It was clearly announced that was the official way to decide the result, not the forum. An alt verification system was added now , after this voting. I missed that aspect initialy, but next time it will be checked better. A check for teritory will be also improved for future votes that are influenced by land affiliation. In this regard i am thinking of a citizenship flag for players to be implemented soon.

Well, i can come too Akasha too, so count two more in

You can't expect such a trial to be judged bsed ONLY on the resons you raise. If most pointed out that as an argument its clear it was something to consider , regardless if you say it shouldnt be considered. Otherwise ppl would have not mentioned it, don't you think?

[b]Contest organizer:[/b] Shadowseeker [b]Day 280: The Random Memories[/b] A weird scroll has been found..unfortunately, it has been torn into 5 pieces. The more subtle scroll, the transparent layer, had it even worse..it was turned into 20 pieces. The one who found it, Shadowseeker, decided to lock it into a chest, and opening it later on Day 280, 20:00 servertime. Then, the pieces shall be distributed. A hunt for them, to puzzle them together, and to find the reward was given. Because that is the only thing known, that it is something which could grant a reward. The reward itself is splittable, with a maximum of 5 people. [b]Rules:[/b] You are not allowed to fake any part of the quest, as in make up your own and sell it instead of a real piece. You shall get links for the pieces, use them, instead of downloading and uploading somewhere else. Please keep logs of how you acquired your pieces though. The transparent is the key to the weird scroll..you need 3 things at once, and a screenshot of the puzzle to prove it. You don't need all pieces, only the 3 things and the screenshot..but careful, if it is wrong that was it for you. [b]Hint:[/b] Since the pieces have no number on it, you may want to describe the shape in order to ensure it's piece you have or do not have. If by Day 310 nobody has gotten it, slowly but surely pieces of the complete thing will appear, so better hurry up. [b]Rewards:[/b] [granted by Mur with custom law decree below] Empty Aramors are lost carcasses of warriors passed long time ago. Similar to shades in a small way, they do not have an own identity. After experiments conducted deep inside Golemus Labs, such an Aramor was energeneticaly manipulated (wow a new word ) to be inhabited by an other soul. Because there are no laws to state yet the legal status of these creatures, and its not even sure if they are creatures or not, The creatures on this account can be freely pillaged. The account login will be given to the Organizer of the contest, creatures on it, and account access itself, are the rewards of the contest. Shadowseeker is free to keep what he thinks as his personal reward for organizing the contest. The exact creature list will be made public later, but yes it includes drachorns. Good luck everybody, Shadowseeker will takeover from here!

Second contest organizer picked from your posts here: ShadowSeeker Contest: The Random Memories A separate topic with contest plans and details will be posted in a few min. Note: your contest submission will be reviewed allover again each time i pick one. Congratulations Shadowseeker! and lets see how you manage to organize this.