Muratus del Mur

@Fang ArchbaneI am not interested in people giving ideas or random advice.....i am sure that someone that would want to do something with these tools has enough ideas of his own. Lets not turn this into an offtopic discussion about what other should do. Write about what you would do and more important just do it But i do appreciate the positive attitude, thanks

And here is the document i put together with all i could come up about the A25 Tools , please don;t bother to read it if you didn't read all of the above and feel you have a place in all this. Sorry for the mess, and language mistakes, that is the best i could do on my own.

This is for the passionate and skilled people out there... a new level of MD I am just a man, and chew is also no batman either, we are trying to foster the existence of this wonderful community, to keep its values and hopefully to attract more interesting people. As you know, this is a dictatorship, without dictators, a social sandbox, a trial towards self discovery, a place where crazy means good, where skills are your invisible rank, a place where nothing is fair but just makes things spicier and challenging in a strange way. Each one sees what he is searching in MD, a mirror of himself that he eventually has to face, there is no predictable thing you could see in that mirror, because above the beautiful places and semi-boring activities , there are the other living players that build the actual MD. Mirrors are forbidden by law in MD, because this is a clue enough for the other mysteries to fall in place...plus it could really be dangerous to have a real, objective mirror, in a place created through the subjectivity of all the other mirrors..sorry i mean players. Balance is there if you search it, it keeps things alive in here, but evolution feeds on unbalance, not on balance, your minds feed on challenges not on safe monotony. Its time for me to risk some more and to try to resuscitate this machinery..but i cant do it alone. Magicduel is a learning machine if you know how to use it. This machine needs moving parts and fuel to run. You do realise you are the fuel, without its players MD would be an dead piece of messy code. Right now I prepared all the gears and pieces, but its just too much for just a couple of people to do. We need help to put them together, and put them in motion and fuel them to keep them running. This is where you come in ...well some at least hopefully.. The "A25 Tools" are ready, functional, and already in test use for a long while. Azull did a great job on the island, Sushi made some insanely beautiful artworks, others tried their skill and did quite decent too... i have huge hopes for this. I dream to bring a next level of interactivity, through a natural level of evolution of the "veteran" player....that level is to be part of md evolution, not just to be entertained by others, but to build your own gears inside this beautiful machine. The tools i made allow to build nearly every aspect of the md world if needed, with no coding involved, just creativity and logic..and lots and lots of passion. ...but right now they are in risk of rusting if i don't find more special people that have the ability to use them right. It requires a certain type of person to expand md, a type of such rarity that i am happy if i find at least one, but i prepared the tools to be used for all if it would ever be the case. We have many skilled quest creators, and from time to time we find an amazing artist too..these characters are not permanent if i do not offer them a chance to express themselves better. For me, the way i enjoyed md was to build it, and at some point Chew followed me and on the same path. Now with these tools you don;t need coding skills, and with volunteer artists you don;t even need drawing skills, still need A LOT but at least now there is a chance for any passionate and smart person in here to develop md and see how it looks from behind the curtain. We are a disaster in terms of leadership and organizig ...i admit thats mainly my fault, or was at least. Without other ways to manage this, i will count just on the individuality of those that might get acces to these tools, to make md a self balancing oranism, with no central brain that will govern it. I saw that some of you understood the underlyng concepts and symbols of this realm, and managed to respect them. Some of them even had god powers at some point, but they had no real tools to express themselves and infuence others. I will try again to discover such people, this time prepared to keep them and offer them real tools to make their share of the realm as they think fit. If you kept reading till here, you have the patience neede for this, and you migh feel same hope i feel about this unique opportunity to CREATE something amazing, so i ask for your help. I made a long (but far from exhausitve) documentation of what the tools can do. If you are interested, read it, and help me organize it better. Help me build the first step needed for whoever will use it, to access it in a useful way (might be you who knows). If you know a fossil that made legend long ago, invite them to do the same...to read this article like you did and try to put the gears i made in motion. I will continue to develop md, thats what i do, thats my role in here, not to lead, not be a dictator, and not even to create. I create md, thats enough for my role, ..but you, you create the rest. Chew, this is an invitation for you too, you are the code master, true, but you reached there not by being hired to do it, or because you are an amazing coder, but because you understand how md works. I don't want to name all the people i see able to join in this, but i wish i see them actually do it. There is a place there for many of you, you just have to realize it and actually do it, yourselves. Start with the low work, prepare the docs, understand them, then the second step is to help someone that already uses them to use them better, or prove you understand them well, and that you can keep md style while you do. The next natural step, is to try them out, and them ..if and only if you gain my trust and keep the tools long enough in such way that nobody complains on how you use them and you create with them, they will become yours and part of your role. good luck. Thank you for reading all this. Please leave me a note here if you read all of it, i am curious who actually managed it and who the potential candidates might be -- Mur

Veteran or Skilled Questmakers, ...this is for you..... Help is needed Summary: i am looking for legendary, trustworthy, wise, super smart and creative people :))) to bring to life a new generation of quests and interactivity in MD, with the a25 tools that are already in use for a while. Similar to how Azull helps with this, an other legend. This document is long, it is inteded as a sort of documentation / tutorial / GUIDEBOOK. Its is a sample, and more than enough to give you a good hint or start to continue it yourself! Dream scenario: Quests will be made by players working in teams , with help of permanent or mercenary artists, or story writers, etc. One or two could have access to A25 Tools, an other makes the drawings for scenes and items, an other plans the logic, they all agree on the theme and idea of the quest. I tested this on the island with A handful of people and i think it could work. If a SINGLE person will find this article useful and contributes to it, and gets to use any of the info here, i am happy, it means my efforts to bring a next level of interactivity in md where worth it. I am sorry its so long, but i put everything i could in here, because except me nobody else knows all the details, and i wish others know too, and bring A25 to life not keep it as mysterious admin interface for two people. i need help to write this better ..or at least structure it better, right now is a salad... maybe better more clear english, or better, NEW examples, more accurate ..i don't know..read and you will understand I wrote it as an initial tutorial or usage example to explain just one of the ways that the A25 tools could be used to expand md with one type of quest. The plan is to inform anyone interested of the current capabilities, and see what comes out, maybe expand the number of those with A25 tools access, or just make a brainstorming and tutorials on how to add better and interesting quests in md. Either way, i will decide on the way, but dont expect rewards. This is not a contest. Its true that if you have a sound logic and i see you also have a good reputation, are trustworthy, smart and most of all WISE (yes wise, or smart enough to seem wise)....then i might promote you so to speak. I intend to let anyone that i trust with these powertools, and with the needed mentality, to build quests for md, his own, or for others..but with these super tools. I believe that if someone could grab the ideas from this document and make a clearer version, eventually shaped on an actual scenario or quest of his own, It could serve as a good example for anyone that would want to add a quest using these tools. Currently the access to the tools is limited, because as you see they are very powerful, but if others would know what they do, even without using them, they would have a better understanding of what is possible and what not within a clickable a25 based quest. Maybe this would lead to me or others that i trust to use these tools, to implement those quests at some point. Its do-able to have a handful of people that can actually use the tools, like coders equivalent, and all the other quest designers that understand how they could be used, and guide these "A25 developers" to continue to expand MD. A25 quests are not designed to be one time quests, they should be automated, perpetual adventures, for all new players to come. Thats why this type of quests represent the future for our community, because people come and go, but these are intended to stay and expand MD. Feel free to add your changes, suggestions, anything... Feel free to copy this doc to your own post and make your own version of it! Depending on how much interest is shown for this, i will oganize the related posts better Anyone that shows an obvious interest and capability in understanding the A25 tools at least in general, and adapt the text here on other better examples, can request A25 forum access, to see the details about the exact commands syntax, and much more. Its complex stuff, and i am not arround to babysit anyone..if you want to do this you have to be confident you are able to. For now i think just Azull has full access to all these tools, his temperament, reputation over the years and impressive ability to decide what much and what less means in terms of rewards and effects, made me to trust him in this experiment. He does exceptionally well, that for me means that others could become part of this select group too, but its hard to pick you. So it beginns....... Implementing a Quest ATTENTION : I assume you have a quest plan, artworks, logic and a general idea of where and how you want it to work. You are the creator and designer of the quest, not this document. Use this document to get some idea and suggestions of how i believe it should be done but feel free to be more creative than this. A25 Tools: All the commands here should be checked again in the docs Action on clickable Items where they are kept updated, here just example uses. Tip: When commands allow messages/alerts, personalize the command messages, but only after you check their default value and order of variables if any. Tip: Do not work alone, try to find yourself someone to help. Its always better to have two opinions or more...plus you need someone to test what you do. Tip: Give temporary or consumable rewards for the checkpoints, but permanent ones for the final step. Tip: Make your quest worth playing even if not won Define the map zone where it will take place, or start. Define its final outcome options/reward/result All examples i give are actual things that can actually be made with these tools. If you are not certain of a capability of a tool, i will detail it more as needed. There is a huge documentation for all these commands and triggers, and more examples, explaining each paramter effect..so there is a lot more that could be done, but i am writing just the first few things that cross my mind right now, the rest you can think of yourself (and complete this doc by writing your ideas!). The name (word before the # sign) is usually explanatory for what the tool does, and the parameters should spark your imagination on how it could be adapted to a certian scenario. Add checkpoints try to divide the entire journey from start to end , in steps, so you can reward or give some feedback to the participants periodcally. Paying attention to the participants only just at the start and at the end , can lead to a frustrating experience. Try to have clues or smaller activites on the way, so they have a sense of progress as they advance thorugh the quest. Define the entry point and start point This entry point can easily be a place on the map that contains a clickable with startquest command, and a relocate parameter, so that they players are all set for the quest when they click it , and also get transported to the starting point via the relocate parameter. Entry point could be the same with the start point, in such a case you don't need to add the relocate param to teleport users away. However, some areas of the map are impossible to reach for most, so be careful how you plan your audience. Planning a synchronized start? all you need to do is adjust the paramters of this command that starts the quest and set parameter ''who=onlinehere" so that everyone online at that moment in that location starts the quest or competion at the same time. You can also relocate all or scatter them across the map for an even more fair start. startquest#key=quest-autumn2050;nomsg;nosound;msg=You took the boat to the tournament, You have a new quest key [[%s]];relocate=1_0x0_2;who=self;announce=[isle coords %s] ::: %s Took the boat Tournament." You can limit participation to a quest in many many ways, but one that is certain to bring a certain type of people in , is by checking their active days. Active days are not lowered or increased by ANYTHING in the realm, they will always represent a rank of activity and loyalty towards the realm in general, but not a rank for skill and personal abilities or charisma. activedays#minimum=7;maximum=-1 Patience is a virtue, you can verify how long someone waited in a place with this simple command: waitinplace#delay=1200 Pickable items, Public use items, Progressive combiners, where recipes and only certain planned combinations of ingredients return a well planed result, and a lot more advanced features are possible to be created with the A25 tools, its really a lot. I will leave this sort of features out of this document because each one needs a lot of explaining, and the documentation provides it, its redundant to write it here. However, keep in mind that they are an option too, but consider it is an option that requires sometimes my help, at least till you master these tools better. You should read the docs of all the commands and also check out their default messages , in general by not specifying your own msg or announce parameter. In case you need to swap the order of variable in the message, ai ma afraid thats not possible, but you can do as then above example by placing the first paramters thats the key, first, as a sort of label, then the only remaining param, in this case, is the playername.........announce=[isle coords %s] ::: %s Took the....... Like this you swapped apprently the order of variables, but technically it is same order. Instead of ... key ... playername ...., it reads isle coords:, followed by a visual sepparator ..::::: , then the playername as if it would be the first in the sentence. You can use the order of params as they are in the default message also, much better actualy. Players should begin at the entry point and be taken to the start point. The startpoint itself is best if locked in such way that others would't be able to participate if they do not have the quest key received from the entry point. Use the activated rules and triggers to configure what is available when and how Checkpoints (you can name them differently if you consider, steps, levels, stages, trials, etc) Plan the checkpoints, their locations, and their role. Prepare art that is suitable for those locations. Accessing the next checkpoint could be a matter of finding or obtaining something through trading or otherwise, and using that item to receive the key needed to open/access the next checkppoint: takeitem#item=Large Rock;key=labyrinth_hidraulics;t=85000;msg1=ACTIVATED! You used a Large Rock to hold this device in position.;msg2=You need something heavy to hold this device in position;msg3=The rock still holds this device in place, go further. (A sample use is in the labyrinth, check it out) Group effort or teamwork tasks are great ways to separate access to the next checkpoint. Using storeitems command you can create fillable clickables that will activate and do something only after they get filled/completed. Check out 'scope' parameter to configure if you want it as a group effort checkpoint, or a personal effort task. If you make it personal, think from the players perspective and try to determine if what you ask is possible and how could it be achieved. Leave hints of your solution. storeitems#needs=Piece of Cake;howmany=12;processtime=3600;info=Assamble a big cake;whenused=removeitems;scope=player; optional: scope=player will count items per player, ignoring progress of other players loading this item optional: reset=true will clean up the storage giving back all loaded items. Heat is useful as a measurment of activity too. 'Problem' with heat is that is gets lower every second..but there are jars and heatstones and spells, and fighting and sacrificing and so on, basically nearly everything in MD influences heat a bit , lowering or increasing it. Heat is something that can be controlled on your own, or with help (in a team). Let them decide how, and face them with a challenge related to heat, using this command heatload#size=10000 helper commands to consider: apboost, scatter, moveto, alert Situation based triggers can also be used to unlock a checkpoint, or a side feature of the quest. You could plan group challenges where a team needs to work together to complete the task and move on, or be cruel and just one of the team members moves on...depends entirely on your design. the tools allow you to activate something remotely by a group of people, each holding an item at a certain location. There are advance parameters and usage scenarios for this. It could be used to stage wars and clan fights if needed, or even setup a burgler team with some watching over and other stealing the others team treasure. ...its really just your imagination that should go wild , the command is powerful enough to face anything . Its also a great trigger to check online players in a certain place...or to build a land weapon of your own design, all in one powerful but simple command. itemsatlocation#items=Test Key 1|8_dockpathtree_1,Test Key 2|8_dockpath_1;mode=all Remember HEADS COMPETITION? Well there is a tool to use that part of md in a more creative way. A dangerous way if you ask me because i don't remember what happens if the actual ancient heads competitons starts again while people are under the "influence" of this head ripping tool...but i guess it will just be more interesting With this tool you can check the number of heads on a player to do whatever other action you want based on that. Heads are obtained through fighting so this is ideal for a more intense fighting based quest/challenge hasheads#minimum=100;maximum=-1 Heads system has been enhanced to be usable in a specific area and group, without the realm-wide heads competition to be on. This is currently used as a way to exit the island , as an example of its use. Note: Expanding the realm through branched stories and new scenes Oh yes, that is also possible now quite easy. I will not go much into this here, but i just want to mention it. You could create your own locations, just like the rest of the realm scenes. All you need is a perfectly fit drawing, an good reason to convince me or whoever will play with A25 tools to help you upload it. Do you remember when an entire Labyrinth section was uploaded overnight, well, thats part of these same tools , 3 clicks to add new scene. Only if artists like Sushi where more easy to find Passing the checkpoints To access a checkpoint you need to complete the challenge from the previous one, get the checkpoint to give you a key, or item, or trigger, or anything else possible through the commands, that will be required at the second checkpoint. In addition, the second checkpoint needs to ask for its own challenges to be completed in order to pass. In this way, each checkpoint has a requirement to be accessed, and a requirement to be passed. Use trigger activation to configure when something becomes activated or not. The activated state of an item allows you to show a different image of it, make it do different actions and so on. Any of the possible commands can be set to be available only in the items activated state. By simple not setting an image in its normal state, you can hide the item entirely and have it appear only when the requirements for its activation are met. Trigger (activate when..) isfilled checkheat#item=item15;loc=1_0x0_1;heat=10000 checkheat#heat=10000 checkheat isonline#who=Playername;where=1_0x0_1 isonline#who=Playername istrigger#key=summon_plainsguard;count=4;mode=countplayers istrigger#key=forge;count=4;mode=countclickies istrigger#key=justthekey itemsatlocation#items=Test Key 1|8_dockpathtree_1,Test Key 2|8_dockpath_1;mode=all hasitems#items=Hot Air Balloon|1,Balloon|1,Wings|1;mode=any hasheads#minimum=100;maximum=-1 activedays#minimum=7;maximum=300 waitinplace#delay=120 istriggergroup#key=forge;group=1/4,3/4,1/4 istriggergroup#key=forge;group=a,d,e,c;mode=inorder haskeys#keys=quest-key1,quest-key2,quest-key3;mode=existing; haskeys#keys=quest-key1,quest-key2,quest-key3;mode=missing; itemsatlocation#items=Test Key 1|8_dockpathtree_1,Test Key 2|8_dockpath_1;mode=all Linking the checkpoints Link the checkpoints!!! One should point to the other, and provide needed items, keys or triggers to access it. there are many ways you could give the participant something to take with him in order to open the next door/checkpoint. Be careful not to make these things more interesting than the rewards themselves. Their usage should be limited to activating the next step in the adventure, and only that. IMPORTANT: Consider to begin with easy to pass checkpoints, for all the participants, and slowly make it harder, or even have "boss levels". Double check the access and activation of each checkpoint, keeping track of how their access is interconnected through keys, items, or triggers obtained from the previous checkpoint, You need a map of your quest, and a logic plan... and someone to help you test and double test everything. You could use these commands to link checkpoints Method 1: Give and take. Checkpoint A gives you something, Checkpoint B requires you that something, plus something else in order to activate. Just the item from the previous checkpoint is obviously not enough unless its time delayed, otherwise your participants would storm from one checkpoint to an other without restriction. Use these, combine on one and the other checkpoints, and use "activatedaction" and "activated when" and "show if key" , "show if item" and so on. You should read about them or check the interface for all these goodies. giveitem#item=bushiewine;qty=1;uses=60 trigger#key=opensecretgate;param=4;t=3600;msg=This message is visible when trigger is activated. Param can be anything unique not just 1/x but also 1, 2 etc Intermediate rewards for progress If you cascade the checkpoints, allowing access to one only after passing through the previous, you should assign them a small reward, proportional to how difficult it is to reach that place. Design rewads in a flexible way, or a creative one. Think that it is stupid to give stuff to people that already have stuff...so don't give powerful crits on checkpoints that require crit fighting, or actionpoints on checkpoints that require access through high ap gates... In such a way you could allow for unexpected turn of events, powering your participants where they don't expect. You could use the following commands to configure these clickables (just example settings, use your own, and check out the exact and updated syntax in the doc: Action on clickable Items: apboost#points=1000 giveskill#skill=cartography;points=1;msg= %s increased by %s point. (special use) givehiddenskill#skill=tester;points=1;msg= %s increased by %s point. giveitem#item=bushiewine;qty=1;uses=60 Traps and side challenges This type of checkpoints could be very well be used anywhere in the quest, at the beginning in order to begin, or at the end as the main final event of your quest. Commands that affect all the online players in that location are good for this. Also, you could manually oversee the event and handle things more organized if you have time and wish. The scatter command pushes away towards predefined locations (random from a list), and can keep some in place (you or an organizer for example). Its only a matter of interpretation how you can use this feature. You could make a scarecrow ..or Playercraw ..or a bomb, or a wind related event where a tornado takes all the participants far far away....use your creativite mind. scatter#locations=1_0x0_1,1_2x2_1,1_-2x1_1,1_-1x3_1,1_-3x-3_1,6_-4x4_2,7_borderviewstairs_1,7_mansiondoor_1,7_melodystairs_1,7_tribunalview_1,7_walkway_1,6_1x2_1,4_1x2_18,3_1x3_19,3_1x3_17,2_0x2_1,1_4x4_1,1_2x-4_1,1_0x-2_1;anntype=individetailed;exceptions=1028;announce=%s was thrown to %s Riddles are also a great way to challenge participants. Riddles are fully functional but they are limited to the available pool of riddles. You can use them like this, or add to the pool by submitting a request for this. It takes longer time and your riddles must be well themed (md style, no sci-fi, outerworld, etc) , not only quest specific howoever, because once added to the pool they will be available randomly to anyone using this command in his quests. Depending on the reply you can move them to an other checkpoint, or take them on an other path, or anything really, ad this is one type of command that supports nested commands for correct and wrong answers. question#delay=500;valid=6000;seed=1;repeatpool=no correct: moveto#loc=3_librarytunnel_1;forced=yes wrong: alert#msg=This is a message Negative events are also welcome, to punish those that fail, or plan surprise events and challanges. Imagine he eats a poisonous mushroom and speaks nonsense a long while after, instead of being able to CAST THAT SPELL he needs so much. trigger#key=pubdrink;toadspeak=I am very dumb;t=60 (say "i am very dumb" a couple of times and then silence) You can use triggers in many creative ways as they are responsible for very many things you could do in MD. Triggers cast some spells, power weapons, unlock things, ..most importantly they are temporary effects that can work together regardless who or where "triggers" them. trigger#key=summon_demon;param=2/5;t=100000 You can mix triggers with pickable items, or use just pickable items to implement a quest if you wish. Pickable items can be in turn activated to do something, or mixed in combiners, etc. Remember that all items, pickable or not, access keys and so on, all these can and SHOULD be set to become visible only when the quest starts for that person, and they will all vanish when the quest ends. It is possible to leave all these in the participants possession, if your scenario is of this sort, but you need to consider the consequences of this happening in a quest that is always available to new players and participants. I prefer to use pickable items only in the context of that quest, but its possible to create a quest that represents a source of certain items or resources in the realm (!!!), For example: "in search of running rocks", could ask players to find rocks with personality, scattered across the realm, and such a quest could be the only source of such items forever. Final Step Rewards The end of the quest is important , but not as important as the quest iteslf. The reward here however, will be the attractor that motivates players to compete. The flavor and style of the quest, is what determines the quest success, not its reward. The rewards are in general sponsored, or in this case generated, so you won't lose anything from your own account. If you overpower the rewards, you do MD a great harm. If you let them too low, you will dissapoint the participants. Untill i will find a way to set reward values automatically based on quest designer reputation or somehow, you should check with me or with some other veteran to see if the rewards are acceptable or not. It is essential to keep your quest rewards themed to the quest and not to clone existing items or ideas. Please put an effort in this. It is a sort of an art to determine what a good reward is, don't disconsider this step. Automated Rewards You can set a clickable in a restricted place that one could only access with the key received from the last checkpoint, or by activating it somehow, or with a collection of keys, etc. On this clickable you should place the reward script, and a congratulations message. Keep in mind that you should close the quest for that player once he gets the final reward...it will be harder to get them to click a preconfigured clicky to remove keys and such AFTER he gets his reward The reward giving commands are many, because most of the things described till now have one way or an other to be used as reward systems. To reward something you could give a shop item, access to a locked place, skill points, secret skills, credits, creatures, resources. Interactive rewards Hand picked rewards are the best, the most fun, but they are not instant. You could of course give him a series of points or items throughout his entire journey Ending the quest If you wish to reset the quest and remove all its influences in the realm (except rewards that are permanent by their nature), you can use this command. It is also the command to use mandatory at the final clicky of the quest, where the big reward is. resetquest#key=quest-autumn2050;who=all/self/onlinehere;nosound;nomsg;msg=Quest based on key xx was reset for yy;relocate=here (or coord, or 'no'); announce=Resetting quest keys[[%s]] for %s;resetmode=reset-everything/reset-pickup/keep-pickup Cleaning up after a participant is important, because that player will want to play in other quests and the map should be free of interference with other quest items and triggers! This last command is also very powerful and has lots of interpretations. You could use it for example to organize a competition where the winner stops the entire quest and takes the win. By changing its parameters, you can configure it to do much more. Do you want to throw someone in jail if he fails the quest, or send him in a dark dungeon as punishment, also with this command, using the 'relocate' paramter. Pfew...done...i hope i put in here enough ...there is more in the command docs for those that i will grant access to that, depending on your level of interest. I am just a man, and chew all the same, this amount of work is nearly impossible without a huge team, so..thats what i am dreaming of... Till next --Mur Ps, i said at the beginning that there are no rewards in here..well if you reached this far, i think you can imagine that whover will be involved enough in such a megalithic project, and will actively implement quests, and decide permanent rewards, or plan and shape md, will have his obvious benefits and eternal legendary status We are basically talking of an other level of playing md, by creating it ..its something some of us are doing for a long time already, and its very interesting next natural step im the evolution of this ...online experience.

Finally i got to read all your replies. I am sad that some of you didn't even bothered to understand my initial post or the clarification post..yet wrote novels. Others however came up with very very interesting suggestions. I voted 'down' the posts that i didnt agree with or didn't considered the concept appliable. I voted 'up' the posts that i considered interesting enough, and i voted 'like' those that i really liked. Unfortunately there is no way to reply to each one of your posts. I will consider all of the -above- answers vor a vote. Thats right..i will count the number of upvotes and likes, with my own counting double. Unvoted posts means no reaction. Entries below this post wont be counted but i leave the topic open in case anyone wants to continue the discussion anyway. There is no right or wrong answer, but there is obvious effort put in your answers, even if some i strongly dislike ..some of it i can't really judge myself at all..thats why a vote based decision. The vote count will be whenever i will count them, i will give a short time to vote ..but not too long. Thank you for participating in this discussion..i hope it was as interesting for you as it was for me. Ps: Just one reply/interpretation to something i read.. If time is just an interpretation of our consciousness..the situation would indeed be so much different ..that would mean the factual reality is there and we just see slices of it...this doesn't mean it is not fluid or unable to change..it just means that any change wouldn't have to be just causal and events in the 'future' affect situations in the 'past'.. as this entire timeless state would present a change.

So..everything resets at the end of the interval, but there is no set rule that things must happen exactly the same way, however they do due to lack of any new influences. There is no way to leave a message (tatoo, note, etc) because everything resets. Lets say the interval is of several weeks, and the "aware" period of about a day or a few hours (huge). The "aware" period is PART of that interval however, but during that short time you get to keep your thoughts and realize it was all repeating and will repeat again. I've been thinking of this problem long time.. And for now my only idea is that whatever you could do in that short "aware" period in such way that it would need different roots in the past to happen (retrocausality), might change the past. Since changing the environement is not much of an option (unless you do something really different, god mode), the most probable canvas that you can alter is yourself. So this is my answer to this riddle..or at least the point where i got stuck and decided to write this as a public question. I'll keep reading yours, new or based on this answer, ...i am open to all suggestions.

While i appreciate you sharing a personal story here, i am still confused on the answer....so you are saying basically "do nothing let things happen". I see no opinion on how one could influence or send a message to its own past..

Hello, i present you a possible challenge. I has no expected answer, but if anyone presents a very interesting and plausible solution, i will reward it with wishpoint(s). Imagine you reach a point in your life when you realize that you lived that portion of your life many times over and over again, reaching the same outcome every time, but each time you return to the beginning of that series of events (not the beginning of your entire life) getting a new chance to do something that will change the outcome. You are not able to bring back any memories with you. You have only a narrow time interval when you start to realize the story repeated, but too late to change anything right then. A solution would be to DO something in such a way that it will change or send a message to your personal past. What would you do? How would you change something so that you would do things different in your past, not remembering that you experience is repeating. good luck

awesome am i still the one giving rewards for this contest? really, can't remember. It deserves one

Chew has the difficult task to do both things important to the entire community and individual tasks important to individuals. This is the problem that shut me down, i wasn't able to do both and i prefered to focus on the big picture amd ignore the small pictures, but that was also not good, because in the end ..the big picture is composed by each and every member .... I look forward to learn from whatever will work for Chew to solve this issue, maybe it will help me too

Oh one more suggestion. Assign multiple Ary's each for a purpose, and whenever he is online in a place and is in the mood of doing something, that person can detail him what needs to be done in that section of development he feels like working on at that time. for me this works best, but chew is chew me am me, I am just sharing my opinion, hopefully it helps to some extent. I use freshdesk for tasks, but it didn't work out well in the end for me, because of long tasks i was not ready to start. However doing what is on my mind right then, and having someone to talk to right then, helped me. (like on the Island)

When i had to deal with this issue i was unable to find a solution due to two reasons: 1) i have big issues to get organized, usually i do the things i can think of in that moment, never what i "must do". However Chew seems to be much better organized than i ever was. 2) its good to have many ideas brainstormed and debated, but in the end it comes to the view and decision of the one developing those features (in this case Chewett), that must build a coherent picture from all the opinions...one that fits with his own. In MD we are a community of very smart people and the good ideas can't be ignored, but some also not developed right away, or anytime soon. My opinion, as a member of the community NOT as a developer, is that there should be intermediate layer to filter out minor tasks, and let Chew do the complex things according to his view..that leads to less democratic decisions but far more coherent and useful results. Having a SecretAry involves distribution of authority and usually people invested with authority end up behaving wrong...but to som extent its useful. A SecretAry might work if the person is someone that already had to deal with authority and is respected and with great reputation. Sadly chew has to deal with a lot , but some things are minor and clear things, some are big concepts that require a lot of attention. The minor things make each one happy and keep existing community alive, but the big things revive md and make it grow. You can't torture a single man with both.

You are showing me a cut bottle in a jar and a piece of material ....and thats a rain collector? I think you...(well not just you but you in general) missed the purpose and overall flavor of this quest While a bucket is a raincollector, it doesn't mean that its suitable for this quest, when other people put so much effort in their work. Just look at the first entries as a good example. Please create something nicer, i am sure you have ideas, don't just put a jar in the rain and expect a reward. The functional purpose of a rain collector is to collect as much rain as possible, and for that you either need a reaaalllyy big bucket, or a larger collecting surface.If your life would have depended on a rain that comes once a month, you wouldnt use a jar , you would do better, so do better please. ps. nice touch with the raining

NIce one Sir Blut. I will send your reward ingame. ps: yes this quest is still active, will always be , but due to my inactivity you need to contact me if you post something here otherwise i might not see it. Also if i forgot to give anyone any reward for doing this quest, please tell me. its not intended. ps2. the possible rewards are named in the initial post. the rain collector is a bonus i give only if consider the work is outstanding, it is not a part of the normal quest reward.

I activated bhc to see what happens and to see if this could be a solution to what i wanted to achieve. After discussing with chew later on about the implecations we agreed this needs to be changed and find an other way to achieve my original intentions. I think the issue runs deeper than this, and something else needs to influence fights, not sure what at this point, and by far not sure what to do without ruining old yet good features. Thank you for making me fully aware of the implications of this change. Till chew and i can think of an alternative things will stay like this and all changes will be announced in the announcements, Maybe i temprarily revert the change if it takes too long to come with a solution, since this is not the main and only way to exit the island. At least in my current opinion, having new players be able to leave the island is crucial to md future, and till other ways are completely functional in there, the repercursions on the rest of the realm are a needed sacrifice in order to get more players that leave the island knowing about the fights....and heads is in my opinion the most motivating way. It is not a bug, but i admit its an error in judgement at the time i made the change, an error that still has its interesting parts..you all got used to active changes of this sort, you won't die enduring them further, or will you?::P

I need to do some experiemnts with crypto coins, so i need a very small amount of either Zcash or Bytecoin (not bitcoin). The trade markets allow purchases of minimum 100$ but i need just a very small amount like 10$ ..anyone out there having THESE coins and willing to sell me some? Thanks

Because you asked for a reply.. I will tell you something that i thought its obvious.. There are a zillion things to do in md right now.. Most urgent are actually features aimed to keep the newcommers, same thing you are trying to do. I have no idea why you consider i afford the luxury to work right now on custom features or things only one or two will use. I am not commenting on the idea itself, but iam trying to bring you back to reality and to make you understand what priorities mean Btw Rejecting prayers is stupid Rejecting adepts makes sense and achieves same thing. Such a feature makes sense only when mp6 will imply much more than it does now. Very very important I do not want to turn mp6 into an alliance model..nor do i want adepts system to work any way similar. That functionality already exists and is for guild and alliances My next priorities are for now strictly around the gw island. Keep in mind all the premium items such as the toy box and such that i abandoned for now..pls stop asking new stuff it will not happen..i am lucky if i get to code the ultra crucial stuff i already have to

Its an interesting ideea ..but it is not something i can do with the current tools and building new features is stupid right now wheb so many are unused yet. But i get the genwral ideea of what you mean. I am delaying a bit altering the timers because i might have an alternative that might apply to many other situations where waiting is involved. Something else.. About bringing basic fights to the island.. I think its good..in one of the closed places of the island. ..but i don't want crit recruiting..i want something more personal like crits given by guardians. I am not sure we have enough people for such a thing there..but what do you think?

How could a new player make a differnce or chose between staying and learning as you call it and going and exploring? They take what is presented to them. The gateway island purpose has several purposes. It sepparates the chaotic and open end world on the mainland and gives a more personal experience by interacting with the guardians. The reg times could be lowered, i might do so.. But not 5min I dont say things are good as they are..no no.. But the suggestions i read here are not what i have in mind Regardless how difficult it will be i want to stick with the initial plan to make a layered experience before the free range one on the mainland. The experience doesn't consist of a storyline..but on different SORT of activity on each layer. Combats will probably be introduced earier on the island I know there are many things missing in there ..but starting at the pc makes no sense for me. I appreciate a lot that so many care about this subject.

When i test out an other game i prefer to use such a login system usually, its faster and i forget my logins anyway if it wouldn't be for such a thing. However i use it because i don't actually intend to play one or the other game, so i don't know if this opinion matters. Ideally, i envision a login where one could just hit play and enter the game directly, but be asked to register a playername (regardless if using facebook/google/etc) at a key point if they wish to continue. This practice i saw on several games and i found it very useful for the lazy/"just curious" type of players. Sadly, with so many games designed just for this type of players (easy getting in, highly addictive, minimal gameplay) i think we should adapt and use such methods too if we intend to increase player retention at all. I do realize how difficult this might be to implement and that it loses something i thought to be 'useful' at first. It only makes sense if the entire registration process is skipped and replaced with a easy first time login, otherwise no. New players that come in via such a fast login could have temporary names assigned to them from a random, funny, list, or just Guest1 Guest2 whatever. Just a thought

should be fixed now

For all that didn;t make it to the meeting, here is the full log. This meeting is very important for the future of md, as you will realize if you read it. I might accept new peope in, if you fully read this, and if you present your intention quick enough (before i will start doing changes related to this). Those interested should send me a pm in game, short and to the point, telling me what they understood from the meeting, and how involved they are prepared to be, and their contact email. Try to fit all this in my 400 chars reply limit. For everyone else, it is a read that will explain in depth the upcoming changes. ----------- [17/02/17 22:04] :[Spell] I summon you here Zleiphneir,Nimrodel,Eon,Ungod,No one,Lintara,Blackshade Rider [17/02/17 22:04] Blackshade Rider:Yay back at the first landing [17/02/17 22:04] Nimrodel:Ooh [17/02/17 22:04] Lintara: *looks around* Nice! [17/02/17 22:05] Eon:Demon, you move here. I'll keep the Throne room. [17/02/17 22:05] Muratus del Mur:don't use the boat [17/02/17 22:05] :[Spell] I summon you here Burns,dst [17/02/17 22:05] Ungod:NICE PLACE, YES [17/02/17 22:05] Ungod:oops [17/02/17 22:05] Nimrodel:What about the arrow.. Can I click it? [17/02/17 22:06] Blackshade Rider:To all here just so you know this was the first landing here on the island [17/02/17 22:06] Burns:Why do you get an arrow? [17/02/17 22:06] Lintara:Sunfire wants to come too [17/02/17 22:06] Ungod: (at work, hope i can stay connected throughout) [17/02/17 22:06] dst:thank you [17/02/17 22:06] :[Spell] I summon you here *Sunfire*,Fang Archbane [17/02/17 22:06] Nimrodel:Because I have a map *grins smugly* [17/02/17 22:07] :[Spell] The power of me compels you Fang Archbane [17/02/17 22:07] Blackshade Rider:I also have a map. You need a map to move here on gateway [17/02/17 22:07] Muratus del Mur:i dectivated the arrow, but even if somehow yours still works, don't use it [17/02/17 22:07] Nimrodel:okay... [17/02/17 22:07] Blackshade Rider:Ok [17/02/17 22:07] Nimrodel:Lol.. [17/02/17 22:07] Nimrodel:Why silvertongue fang? [17/02/17 22:08] :[Spell] The power of me compels you Nimrodel [17/02/17 22:08] Ungod:lol [17/02/17 22:08] Muratus del Mur:lets wait a moment maybe there are others that wish to join [17/02/17 22:08] Nimrodel:Oऄ•• [17/02/17 22:08] Ungod:now i should say...why silvertongue nim?' [17/02/17 22:08] Lintara:Sunfire needs another bring in [17/02/17 22:08] Nimrodel:ѠऄᎩ ގilѵଽℜ ᴌoղᎶuଽ mଽ? [17/02/17 22:09] Eon:Better question: who's going to give me more silver tongue spells? [17/02/17 22:09] Ungod:well... [17/02/17 22:09] Lintara:Thank you [17/02/17 22:09] Ungod:no one [17/02/17 22:10] Muratus del Mur:if you somehow leave the conference you can return only at the announced hours (17:20 next) [17/02/17 22:10] *Sunfire*:thank you [17/02/17 22:10] Nimrodel:Oऄ ѡଽll ⁝ӡ [17/02/17 22:10] :No one passed Rainbow candy to Sunfire [17/02/17 22:10] :No one passed Rainbow candy to Sunfire [17/02/17 22:10] :No one passed Rainbow candy to Sunfire [17/02/17 22:10] Nimrodel:Ͼaղ I Ꮆଽᴌ a fଽѡ caղdiଽގ ᴌoo ղo oղଽ? ᗰu ଽluގ aℜଽ ऄuղᎶℜଽऄ [17/02/17 22:10] Nimrodel:i ऄaѵଽ ᴌѡo• [17/02/17 22:10] Eon:I will return whenever I please [17/02/17 22:11] :No one passed Rainbow candy to Nimrodel [17/02/17 22:11] Eon:WHat powerful thing do you have to show me, Demon? [17/02/17 22:11] :No one passed Rainbow candy to Nimrodel [17/02/17 22:11] Nimrodel:Tऄaղk Ꭹou ⁝D [17/02/17 22:11] :Lintara passed Rainbow candy to Nimrodel [17/02/17 22:11] :No one passed Rainbow candy to Nimrodel [17/02/17 22:11] Eon:Or did you bring us all here just to show me off? [17/02/17 22:11] :Lintara passed Rainbow candy to Nimrodel [17/02/17 22:11] :⁂ގᴌѥkގ ᴌo Buℜղގ⁂ [17/02/17 22:11] Nimrodel:Ooऄ• Tऄaղkގ ԼINlIN ⁝D [17/02/17 22:11] :Zleiphneir raises an eyebrow [17/02/17 22:11] Muratus del Mur:Welcome to the Gateway Island [17/02/17 22:11] :No one passed Rainbow candy to Lintara [17/02/17 22:11] Lintara: *chuckles* You're welcome [17/02/17 22:11] :No one passed Rainbow candy to Lintara [17/02/17 22:11] :No one passed Rainbow candy to Lintara [17/02/17 22:12] Lintara:Thanks No one, but no need [17/02/17 22:12] No one:i'm done [17/02/17 22:12] Ungod:thx [17/02/17 22:12] Nimrodel:I ގᴌill ղଽଽd ᘖ moℜଽ caղdiଽގ &Ꮆᴌ;&Ꮆᴌ; [17/02/17 22:12] :⁂Siᴌގ ղଽ〤ᴌ ᴌo Ⱬ⁂ [17/02/17 22:12] :Lintara passed Rainbow candy to Nimrodel [17/02/17 22:12] :Lintara passed Rainbow candy to Nimrodel [17/02/17 22:12] Nimrodel:Tऄaᴌގ iᴌ• Tऄaղk Ꭹou ⁝D [17/02/17 22:12] Muratus del Mur:This meeting has as purpose to discuss a bit about how i envision md gameplay, how the gateway should function, but also how this affects everything else [17/02/17 22:12] Eon:Is this where that coward Knator Commander ran off to? [17/02/17 22:12] :Zleiphneir gives Nim a wink [17/02/17 22:12] Muratus del Mur:If you can't speak normally you better don't pls [17/02/17 22:13] :⁂ѡiղkގ back aᴌ Ⱬlଽiթऄղଽiℜ ղoᴌ kղoѡiղᎶ ѡऄᎩ ѡऄᎩ ऄଽ ѡiղkଽd⁂ [17/02/17 22:13] Muratus del Mur:Ok, so..i realize its not the best time for everyone, but you will see why i don't want ALL people in md present at this [17/02/17 22:14] Muratus del Mur:i will try to focus the main ideas in the first part, so that those of you that can't stay too long still get the ideea [17/02/17 22:15] Muratus del Mur:The gateway is a new land..well its not new, its actually as old as all the rest, but its the latest one released as you know [17/02/17 22:15] Muratus del Mur:it has a very precise meaning , but we won't discuss that now [17/02/17 22:15] Muratus del Mur:I am trying to find my words, its a bit difficult, not sure why [17/02/17 22:16] :The gateway, is a different land. [17/02/17 22:16] :Ungod cheers for mur [17/02/17 22:16] :Its not like the others, so throw away all your preconcieved ideas [17/02/17 22:16] Fang Archbane:drink. smoke. it always helps clear the mind. [17/02/17 22:16] Muratus del Mur:Let me tell you how the gateway should function first. It is exactly this way that i am trying to setup on the island, that i believe entire MD could work (and its not too different from how it is alr [17/02/17 22:16] :I think the reason its hard to say, is that even those who have had the idea explained, BR, still dont appear to entirely comprehend it [17/02/17 22:17] Muratus del Mur:nono, its more simple than it looks [17/02/17 22:17] :Hah [17/02/17 22:17] Muratus del Mur:its not about what guardians are supposed to do here [17/02/17 22:17] :ok [17/02/17 22:18] Muratus del Mur:but i will explain that, as an example of what i am trying to say about entire md.... just listen, and then ask questions. [17/02/17 22:18] Muratus del Mur:it will become cleared on the way..and sry for my english ..somehow its worse than usual [17/02/17 22:18] Muratus del Mur:Ok, so, on this island things happen like this: [17/02/17 22:19] Muratus del Mur:player joins, he can click various things, get tools, get resources with those tools, etc. so far everything is "normal" [17/02/17 22:19] Muratus del Mur:then, he can role-play build whatever he thinks suitable in order to get off this island [17/02/17 22:19] Muratus del Mur:and the guardians have the authority to confirm if what they built is ok or not [17/02/17 22:20] Ungod: (looks cool) [17/02/17 22:20] Muratus del Mur:and to move them to the mainland, or not, or even to rewrd them for the most creative ideas [17/02/17 22:20] Ungod: (sounds*) [17/02/17 22:20] Muratus del Mur:This is where i was trying to get at [17/02/17 22:21] Muratus del Mur:The transition from usable items, to role-play usable items, and the direct confruntation with a real person , the guardian, that they need to pass (without fighting) [17/02/17 22:21] Muratus del Mur:So far, is this concept clear for all? [17/02/17 22:21] Fang Archbane:yes [17/02/17 22:21] Zleiphneir:yes [17/02/17 22:21] Nimrodel:Can we reward them with wishpoints too? [17/02/17 22:21] Blackshade Rider:Yes [17/02/17 22:21] Burns:+1 [17/02/17 22:21] Ungod:nicely start [17/02/17 22:21] Ungod:nice start* [17/02/17 22:21] Muratus del Mur:if something is not very clear, please say so, i want everyone in here to FULLY understand this, you will see why later [17/02/17 22:21] Burns:Also, time to let people join again [17/02/17 22:22] Muratus del Mur:brb, [17/02/17 22:22] Nimrodel:Can we reward them with wishpoints too? [17/02/17 22:22] Blackshade Rider:What do you mean by roleplay usable items? [17/02/17 22:22] Eon:So when there is no guardian actually active at the time a new player comes into the game, the new player has to sit around and wait for one to finally get active? [17/02/17 22:23] Eon:Sounds like another way to bore new players away, much like the story thing did. [17/02/17 22:23] Muratus del Mur:The new payers have rsource gathering tools to use, that takes time, they have things to read, and even if now there are no guardians present at all times, they should be eventually [17/02/17 22:23] Nimrodel:Can we reward them with Wishpoints too? [17/02/17 22:24] Muratus del Mur:ok Eon, we will discuss all opinions , after i finish presenting the entire picture [17/02/17 22:24] Muratus del Mur:The rewards are supposed to be proportional to what they already know, in this case, very basic stuff (aramors, silver, credits) [17/02/17 22:25] Muratus del Mur:but [17/02/17 22:25] Muratus del Mur:this concept is something that i want used in other places too, and there, YES, thats the point, wishpoints [17/02/17 22:25] Muratus del Mur:let me continue [17/02/17 22:26] Muratus del Mur:currently, quests in MD are chaotic, they always been like that (nobodys fault, except mine probably) [17/02/17 22:26] Muratus del Mur:what i have in mind, is a much more coherent journey [17/02/17 22:26] Muratus del Mur:chained quests, similar to the one here on the island [17/02/17 22:27] Muratus del Mur:each giving someone something new and unlocking an area or a series of features (location dependent) [17/02/17 22:27] Muratus del Mur:for example [17/02/17 22:27] Fang Archbane:So we're talking about a large scale chain quest event with just enough automation to keep it smooth, but enough Vets to keep it interestingly human?... [17/02/17 22:28] Muratus del Mur:someone that finishes the gateway quest, already knows how to use tools, and already knows that the things he collects can be used as he wants to, regardless of technical possibilities, [17/02/17 22:28] Muratus del Mur:md is currently composed just of a handfull of people, you [17/02/17 22:28] Muratus del Mur:i think its possible now to get things organised in this way [17/02/17 22:29] Muratus del Mur:something like this was impossible till now i believe [17/02/17 22:29] dst:will this be the death of "creative/mp8" quests? [17/02/17 22:29] Muratus del Mur:or it was, but just on groups [17/02/17 22:29] Muratus del Mur:what do you mean dst? [17/02/17 22:30] Muratus del Mur: (questions time, i will name who can ask, and i will answer each, please don't talk if its not your turn) [17/02/17 22:30] Esmaralda:Thank you [17/02/17 22:30] Muratus del Mur:dst [17/02/17 22:30] dst:i mean creative and outside md quests [17/02/17 22:31] dst:like create a birthday card [17/02/17 22:31] dst:or create a story on a given theme [17/02/17 22:31] Muratus del Mur:Please voice your opinion about this entire thing, how much do you think it could be done, how good or bad do you think it is, etc (when asked) [17/02/17 22:31] Muratus del Mur:nono, how so [17/02/17 22:31] Muratus del Mur:this is not interfering with that in any way, not that i can think of at least. [17/02/17 22:32] dst:because you said current md quests are chaotic [17/02/17 22:32] dst:hence why I thought you want us to stop those [17/02/17 22:32] Muratus del Mur:but cards are not a quest [17/02/17 22:32] dst:ok..you're right [17/02/17 22:32] dst:but they are considered "quests" as in contests [17/02/17 22:32] Muratus del Mur:no need to, you can do quests as before, what i ask is to understand this way i am talking about here, and work together to CHAIN quests as much as possible [17/02/17 22:33] dst:ok, got my answer [17/02/17 22:33] dst:thank you [17/02/17 22:33] Muratus del Mur:so that when someone finishes a quest, they are given a clue or a hint, or told directly, what is next [17/02/17 22:34] Muratus del Mur:and this next quest should also be something that requires them to use their obtained items and benefits (not just items can be used for this) [17/02/17 22:34] Muratus del Mur:in a similar way, and confront a real person [17/02/17 22:34] Muratus del Mur:Ok, Eon next [17/02/17 22:34] Nimrodel:umm.. a few of my quests were like that >.. [17/02/17 22:34] Fang Archbane:you broke your eye I'm [17/02/17 22:34] Eon:Nothing to say [17/02/17 22:34] Muratus del Mur: (I am not saying nobody did like that, i am saying lets all try to do it as if we where a team) [17/02/17 22:34] Fang Archbane:Oh the irony... [17/02/17 22:35] Muratus del Mur:fang next time you speak when its not your turn you are out of here [17/02/17 22:35] Muratus del Mur:who has questions? [17/02/17 22:35] Burns:. [17/02/17 22:35] Muratus del Mur:burns [17/02/17 22:35] Burns:What happens when the chain ends? [17/02/17 22:36] Burns:Is that where you "finish" MD? [17/02/17 22:36] Muratus del Mur:the chain should not have just one direction, if possible, ..but when a chain ends, we should somehow keep a clear evidence of it, so that next person doing a quest, can continue that chain [17/02/17 22:37] Muratus del Mur:please consider that people come and go, these "chains" can't be mandatory, they must all be optional [17/02/17 22:37] Muratus del Mur:thats a stupid question burns [17/02/17 22:37] :Fang Archbane Raises a paw [17/02/17 22:37] Burns:There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers [17/02/17 22:38] Muratus del Mur:but, no question is stupid actually...and no, md can't finish, all that happens is that you end up in a situation where you have nothing to do and you look for something to do, thats exactly where eve [17/02/17 22:38] Muratus del Mur:everyone is now [17/02/17 22:38] Muratus del Mur:burns, any other q? [17/02/17 22:38] Burns:yeah [17/02/17 22:38] Muratus del Mur:or if you think something is not fully answered just say so pls [17/02/17 22:39] Burns:What happens when somebody from the chain leaves? [17/02/17 22:39] Muratus del Mur:this is something that is likely to happen often, all the time, its unavoidable and we should consider it as part of how things are, and design the chain in such way that all brances are OPTIONAL [17/02/17 22:39] Burns:Assuming that the human part of the quest will be large, that is [17/02/17 22:40] Muratus del Mur:but [17/02/17 22:40] Muratus del Mur:there are key points [17/02/17 22:40] Muratus del Mur:for example here on the island [17/02/17 22:40] Muratus del Mur:they need to leave the island [17/02/17 22:40] Muratus del Mur:and for that , ech guardian has his own quest, but assume guardians leave, so what happens [17/02/17 22:41] Muratus del Mur:what happens is that such a key point should always be "guarded" be more than one [17/02/17 22:41] Muratus del Mur:and we can use guilds/alliances for that, or whatever other way we have for grouping a task force for a purpose [17/02/17 22:41] Muratus del Mur:such key points should be very rare [17/02/17 22:42] Muratus del Mur:gateway is one, maybe an other one is to receive a very rare crit, or access to a locked land [17/02/17 22:42] Muratus del Mur:in each case, such a task is not dependent of a single person [17/02/17 22:42] Ungod:. [17/02/17 22:42] Burns:That sounds good, and answers all from me, thanks [17/02/17 22:43] Muratus del Mur:ungod next [17/02/17 22:43] Ungod:by a 'locked land' do you mean it can be a mainland, like marind bell, for example? [17/02/17 22:43] Muratus del Mur:not marind bell, but other lands yes [17/02/17 22:43] Ungod:LR? GG? [17/02/17 22:44] Ungod:hmm...ok [17/02/17 22:44] Muratus del Mur:currently they are not "used" anyway, so why not limit the access to such lands for new people , and allow them in only if they reach a certain "end" of such a chain, or just an other quest after the [17/02/17 22:44] Muratus del Mur:gateway one [17/02/17 22:44] Ungod:ok [17/02/17 22:44] Muratus del Mur:this can work perfectly together with all the current ways they can get in [17/02/17 22:44] Muratus del Mur:We have two types of attractors i call them [17/02/17 22:45] Muratus del Mur:we can give rewards, or access [17/02/17 22:45] Muratus del Mur: (in many cases this can be one and the same) [17/02/17 22:45] Muratus del Mur:there are many places in md that can be locked or are already locked [17/02/17 22:46] Muratus del Mur:and many things that are very hard to obtain , but are transferable [17/02/17 22:46] Muratus del Mur:and in such cases, someone that holds a quest of this sort (ONLY of this sort) , can be sponsored to be able to give such things as reward [17/02/17 22:46] dst:. [17/02/17 22:47] Ungod:this stuff...diminishes the value of viscosity in some way... [17/02/17 22:47] Muratus del Mur:let me try to give you a quick example [17/02/17 22:47] Ungod:or maybe not, it just affects it [17/02/17 22:48] Muratus del Mur:if everyone here now, receives a way to reward a single thing, and in return all he has to do is to listen to how someone managed to try to get that thing and decide its good or not [17/02/17 22:48] Muratus del Mur:then all of us can play the entire chain [17/02/17 22:48] Muratus del Mur:no role is sacrificed [17/02/17 22:48] Muratus del Mur: (its not affecting viscosity, its just using it ) [17/02/17 22:49] Muratus del Mur:the gateway island can be a good start, and the following quests can be built based on what people do next after they reach the mainland [17/02/17 22:49] Ungod: (WELL, if you're arbitrarily closing lands or opening others...) [17/02/17 22:49] Muratus del Mur:and here Chew could come in and help finish the quest page [17/02/17 22:50] Blackshade Rider:. [17/02/17 22:50] Burns:. [17/02/17 22:50] :Thats planned [17/02/17 22:50] :I just havent had time, Work is manic and im really unwell atm [17/02/17 22:50] Muratus del Mur:in fact, if we make a "map" of things obtainable through such rp quests, the people that guard the keypoints can vary all the time, and the quests , the chains, can remain the same always [17/02/17 22:50] :Someone gave me their flu and when I woke up this morning I couldnt breath [17/02/17 22:50] Muratus del Mur:the quest page can be STATIC [17/02/17 22:51] Muratus del Mur:if we make a good plan (and i will help with that) , we can have a static map of such quests [17/02/17 22:51] Muratus del Mur:like: [17/02/17 22:51] Muratus del Mur:exit the island by building a way out, 2) find lr guardians and challenge then to enter lr, or defeat them ( [17/02/17 22:52] Muratus del Mur:here its about two distinct ways, the old way with fighting, and the new one wish rp quest [17/02/17 22:52] Muratus del Mur:and so on, every time someone else can be the guardian of such a key point [17/02/17 22:53] Muratus del Mur:but the overall picture should have a coherent structure, not a random one , or missing one like now [17/02/17 22:53] Muratus del Mur:also , using items and resources in such way, its a great way to use them [17/02/17 22:53] Muratus del Mur:Let me give you a few examples, its actually important [17/02/17 22:53] Muratus del Mur:Today i took a noob to the mainland [17/02/17 22:53] Muratus del Mur:and he had all sorts of items in his inventory (4 days old) [17/02/17 22:54] Muratus del Mur:I had no plan about what sort of answer i was expecting from him [17/02/17 22:54] Muratus del Mur:but on the way , several great ideas came to my mind [17/02/17 22:54] Muratus del Mur:and such ideas i can write down for other quardians, not public, just within that circle of people that guard a certain keypoint [17/02/17 22:55] Muratus del Mur:one of these ideas was [17/02/17 22:55] Muratus del Mur:as a new character here in md, he had no specific "size", body size,, he was pretty much "undefined"...so what could have stopped him to pretend to be light enough to FLOAT to the mainland [17/02/17 22:56] Muratus del Mur:it might sound as a stupid idea for an older player, but think its in the context of that player being very new [17/02/17 22:56] Muratus del Mur:and like that, there are all sorts of unexpected ways someone could use the most unexpected items to obtain something related to that quest [17/02/17 22:56] Muratus del Mur:also [17/02/17 22:56] Nimrodel:My question to that noon would be how do you plan to land on the mainland? [17/02/17 22:57] Muratus del Mur:he used the shovel he hound here, not just the resorces collected with it [17/02/17 22:57] Muratus del Mur:at to be a really good ideea i didnt think about initially [17/02/17 22:57] Muratus del Mur:@Nim: [17/02/17 22:57] Fang Archbane:gently, I'm sure [17/02/17 22:57] Muratus del Mur:questions, and challenging that player is part of what your role as a guardian of such a key point should be [17/02/17 22:58] Muratus del Mur:and depending on the answer, and on the creativity of that player, you can just let him pass, or let him pass and reward him [17/02/17 22:58] Nimrodel:Ok.. I can work with that.. [17/02/17 22:58] Muratus del Mur:and while being in such a role, and listening to more people trying their own ideas, you can collect the best ones (privately) [17/02/17 22:58] Muratus del Mur:and have them as a sort of benchmark for the next that try [17/02/17 22:59] Nimrodel:>:) [17/02/17 22:59] Muratus del Mur:So something that at first can be a little confusing, can become well planned very fast [17/02/17 22:59] Burns:.. [17/02/17 22:59] Nimrodel:My own personal laboratory*evil grin* [17/02/17 22:59] Muratus del Mur:You can have absolutely NO idea on what answers to expect [17/02/17 22:59] Muratus del Mur:but they will give you answers [17/02/17 22:59] Muratus del Mur:and you will be able to tell when an answer is good [17/02/17 23:00] Muratus del Mur:thats a method i uesd before, long ago, and it worked like a charm [17/02/17 23:00] Muratus del Mur:remember the box question? [17/02/17 23:00] Muratus del Mur:those of you that date from back then [17/02/17 23:00] :No one here would actually remember it [17/02/17 23:00] dst:ye [17/02/17 23:00] :too newbie [17/02/17 23:00] Muratus del Mur:you do, chew, dst does, others do [17/02/17 23:00] dst:I mean, ye, nobody remembers it [17/02/17 23:00] :I came second [17/02/17 23:00] Muratus del Mur:anyway, in short, it was like this: [17/02/17 23:00] Nimrodel:The one akasha posted? [17/02/17 23:01] Nimrodel:Angien box? [17/02/17 23:01] :Nah the one on the homepage [17/02/17 23:01] Muratus del Mur:you have a box, what is inside it...simple...and you dont need to know a good answer, because when someone finds a perfect answer, you will realize it! [17/02/17 23:02] Muratus del Mur:you get my point? leave the box, the idea is that your skills as a quest organizer, can be minimum, all you need to do is to be able to recognize awesome from mediocre or absurd answers [17/02/17 23:02] Muratus del Mur:and thats much much easier than to plan things ahead [17/02/17 23:03] Muratus del Mur:brb time for las teleport, if any [17/02/17 23:03] :Muratus del Mur failed to cast a spell [17/02/17 23:04] Muratus del Mur:ok, so, please share your honest opinion about all this (except eagle eye that came just now) [17/02/17 23:04] :*Eagle Eye* bows his head [17/02/17 23:04] Muratus del Mur:consider it a vote [17/02/17 23:05] Muratus del Mur:is this doable 100%? or not? [17/02/17 23:05] Nimrodel:Before voting [17/02/17 23:05] Fang Archbane:yes [17/02/17 23:05] Muratus del Mur:i dont mind negative answers [17/02/17 23:05] Burns:Can i have a question first? [17/02/17 23:05] Nimrodel:One last question [17/02/17 23:05] dst:you only presented the concept and not the actual implementation plan [17/02/17 23:05] Muratus del Mur:yes [17/02/17 23:05] Muratus del Mur:nim [17/02/17 23:05] Muratus del Mur:turns pls, nim first question [17/02/17 23:06] Nimrodel:How do you plan to get noobs into this game? [17/02/17 23:06] Muratus del Mur:they join on the gateway island, here (well not here here, but somewhere else on the island) ..they learn the basics of what they can do with their items, [17/02/17 23:06] Muratus del Mur:then they reach mainland [17/02/17 23:07] Muratus del Mur:and then the chain continues [17/02/17 23:07] Muratus del Mur:does this answer your q? [17/02/17 23:07] Nimrodel:I meant MD [17/02/17 23:07] Muratus del Mur:? [17/02/17 23:07] :Mur turned on advertising [17/02/17 23:07] Muratus del Mur:i dont understand what you mean [17/02/17 23:07] Nimrodel:How do you plan to attract new players to MD [17/02/17 23:07] *Sunfire*:advertisement strategy [17/02/17 23:07] Nimrodel:Ah.. that's good news [17/02/17 23:08] Muratus del Mur:ah advertising.. regardless how i will get people in, we are talking now about what they will do once inside [17/02/17 23:09] Muratus del Mur:chew are you functional right now? or just listening to the meeting? need to ask you something if you are, if not its fine) [17/02/17 23:09] Nimrodel:I don't mind spending a month to design a chain... But there should be some participants. [17/02/17 23:09] Muratus del Mur:ok thats a good point, valid for everyone [17/02/17 23:09] Nimrodel:If there is input, I am more than happy [17/02/17 23:09] Muratus del Mur:i want these chains to be discussed first with me [17/02/17 23:10] Muratus del Mur:and they dont need to be planned for a month, it can be something you think of a day or two [17/02/17 23:10] Muratus del Mur:its not a normal quest like those so far [17/02/17 23:10] Muratus del Mur:it has no deadline [17/02/17 23:10] Muratus del Mur:no timing [17/02/17 23:10] Nimrodel:I am a comprehensive quest designer... Takes me a while [17/02/17 23:10] Muratus del Mur:no ranking [17/02/17 23:10] *Sunfire*:if they need to be interconnected there needs to be somewhat of an idea [17/02/17 23:11] Muratus del Mur:consider that all the quests in this series should have the same format, so that people know already from the island what and how to do [17/02/17 23:11] Muratus del Mur:all you need to do is define what is it that you guard, and what is the challenge you pose [17/02/17 23:12] Muratus del Mur:yes yes, a central idea exactly [17/02/17 23:12] Muratus del Mur:and thats why we are here [17/02/17 23:12] Muratus del Mur:to discuss all this [17/02/17 23:12] dst:so basically we moved from clickes to something else [17/02/17 23:12] Muratus del Mur:if you agree that it can be done [17/02/17 23:12] dst:am I right? [17/02/17 23:12] Muratus del Mur:because this can be done only if more can participate [17/02/17 23:12] Muratus del Mur:we still use clickies [17/02/17 23:12] Muratus del Mur:but yes [17/02/17 23:12] Muratus del Mur:clickies become tools [17/02/17 23:13] Muratus del Mur:the quests will no longer be mdscripts or based on clickies, they will be more ..hwo to call them [17/02/17 23:13] Muratus del Mur:based on rp and thinking [17/02/17 23:13] Fang Archbane:Human [17/02/17 23:13] dst:clickes version Mur.zero [17/02/17 23:13] Muratus del Mur:in this way we eliminate the need for someone to implement everything each time [17/02/17 23:14] Muratus del Mur:i see it more like this: [17/02/17 23:14] Muratus del Mur:we take one way quests could have been done, and consider that the main way [17/02/17 23:14] Muratus del Mur:nothing else gets erased [17/02/17 23:14] Muratus del Mur:everything else remains possible [17/02/17 23:14] Muratus del Mur:but this chain of quests wil be the backbone of md [17/02/17 23:14] Muratus del Mur:all the other ways can still happen [17/02/17 23:15] Muratus del Mur:but will be more like side quests, maybe to obtain things needed for these main chains [17/02/17 23:15] Muratus del Mur:i am not "changing" anything, i am just using something more [17/02/17 23:15] Nimrodel:There is one minor drawback though.. kinda limits stuff to MD. As in, if I want to tell someone my story, which may not be md related or in accordance with md beliefs, it might be difficult.. [17/02/17 23:16] Muratus del Mur:what you say is more of an offtopic concern i think, no offence [17/02/17 23:17] Muratus del Mur:nobody forbids you to do what you want, but you could somehow integrate what you do as part of this chain [17/02/17 23:17] Nimrodel:I sent that before I read the side quests part.. [17/02/17 23:17] Muratus del Mur:ok [17/02/17 23:17] Muratus del Mur:questions, who is next? [17/02/17 23:17] Burns:me! [17/02/17 23:18] Muratus del Mur:ok burns [17/02/17 23:18] Nimrodel:Internet crapped out. So strike that off [17/02/17 23:18] Blackshade Rider:. [17/02/17 23:18] Burns:What happens if somebody doesn't bring out an acceptable answer? [17/02/17 23:18] Burns:Example: [17/02/17 23:18] Muratus del Mur:chew, i cant contact you, need to ask you something when you can, during this meeting preferably, thnx [17/02/17 23:19] :ok [17/02/17 23:19] Burns:If i end up as guardian of golemus, or drachorns, which i both consider late parts of a chain, and somebody wants to get through me [17/02/17 23:19] :Ask e [17/02/17 23:19] :me [17/02/17 23:19] Burns:but i don't consider the attempt valid [17/02/17 23:19] Muratus del Mur:it can happen very often actually, and i see two ways to deal with it: [17/02/17 23:19] Burns:does he get stuck in that branch, without hope of ending it? [17/02/17 23:20] Muratus del Mur:you can ask him to pay a fee in items, or do chores or whatever, in exchange of a clue (clue and ideas that you obtain yourself from other better quest participants that passed) [17/02/17 23:20] Muratus del Mur:or [17/02/17 23:20] Muratus del Mur:you can simply tell them to try again in x days [17/02/17 23:20] Muratus del Mur:the purpose is to keep them entertained, not to kill them [17/02/17 23:21] Fang Archbane:"Wrong answer. clean up after the Drachs. speak to me in 3 days" I love it n.n [17/02/17 23:21] :dst throws her plans away [17/02/17 23:21] Muratus del Mur:one thing that might turn out to be essential is to determine if a player is trying more quests at the same time [17/02/17 23:21] Muratus del Mur:and limit them to one [17/02/17 23:21] Muratus del Mur:but allow them to exit that quest any time [17/02/17 23:21] Burns:Don't fret, dstybus, bribery and torture are still valid! [17/02/17 23:21] Muratus del Mur:fang, i told you that if you speak you get out this was third time [17/02/17 23:22] Fang Archbane:Yeah, sorry, just drop me off anywhere I guess. I won't complain. [17/02/17 23:22] Muratus del Mur:sorry fang is out [17/02/17 23:23] *Sunfire*:why one? isnt that too limiting, md is broad in aspects? [17/02/17 23:23] :You wanted to ask a question Mur? [17/02/17 23:23] Muratus del Mur:its very hard for me to focus if you speak random, i assume its same for you too [17/02/17 23:24] Muratus del Mur:sun...to avoid "bruteforcing" all quests at the same time and to add some linearity to their journey/experience [17/02/17 23:24] Muratus del Mur:NOT to limit them [17/02/17 23:24] Muratus del Mur:a sec, need a word with chew, brb [17/02/17 23:24] Muratus del Mur:skype, fb? [17/02/17 23:24] :skype me or? [17/02/17 23:24] :skype [17/02/17 23:24] Burns:But the idea is that everybody can get through all parts of all chains, given enough time and effort? [17/02/17 23:25] Muratus del Mur:skype it is, brb, the rest please think of all this if you have more questions or concerns [17/02/17 23:25] Muratus del Mur:yes EXACTLY burns [17/02/17 23:25] Muratus del Mur:thats they point [17/02/17 23:25] :sorry guys, Mur owes me a lapdance [17/02/17 23:25] Blackshade Rider:I have a question. [17/02/17 23:25] Muratus del Mur:and if it takes a full year, its awesome [17/02/17 23:25] Muratus del Mur:brb [17/02/17 23:25] Burns:The evil overlord is gone, we can talk freely! [17/02/17 23:26] Burns:and now nobody dares, right? [17/02/17 23:26] No one:i don't know tha freely language [17/02/17 23:26] Eon:. [17/02/17 23:26] No one:i can do some Romanian if you want [17/02/17 23:27] Burns:how evil do you folks think we should be? dsty, Nimmy, Eon, no one? thoughts? [17/02/17 23:27] *Eagle Eye*:full year to finish the quest, 1 year of thinking, 1 year of solving. how if they give up? awesome [17/02/17 23:27] Muratus del Mur: (pls already think if you see yourself as a guardian of something, needs to be something you are already involved with) [17/02/17 23:27] *Eagle Eye*: [17/02/17 23:28] Muratus del Mur: (full year for the ENTIRE chain) [17/02/17 23:28] dst:if torture and killing are allowed, I am in! [17/02/17 23:28] Blackshade Rider: (I wish to remain as a guardian here as i originally was) [17/02/17 23:28] Burns:he said no killing, but bribery is fine. [17/02/17 23:28] :You blew it though BR [17/02/17 23:28] Burns:Are you really a judge? you got the attention span of an average fly. [17/02/17 23:28] :So I guess thats not available [17/02/17 23:28] :Ungod TRIES TO CATCH UP with the chat [17/02/17 23:28] Eon:Send them to me when they fail your quest [17/02/17 23:28] Eon:I kill them [17/02/17 23:28] dst:had to get some stuff to eat... [17/02/17 23:29] dst:so i missed some things [17/02/17 23:29] Ungod: (mur owes me a lapdance...lol) [17/02/17 23:29] *Eagle Eye*:if loving way with a smile. im in [17/02/17 23:29] Muratus del Mur: (away from chat, i'll be back in 15min) [17/02/17 23:29] Blackshade Rider:Who burns [17/02/17 23:29] Burns:dst of course, no worries [17/02/17 23:30] :*Eagle Eye* im happy Eon [17/02/17 23:30] dst:ok, scratch killing and replace with bribery [17/02/17 23:30] dst:gotcha! [17/02/17 23:30] dst:and foot massage [17/02/17 23:30] Lintara:And say it's part of alternative path of the chain where they also have to get something and find the way out?- *chuckles* scratch that [17/02/17 23:30] Burns:great, but the question remains, how much? [17/02/17 23:31] Burns:foot massage sounds like a start... i'll have he massage the feet of an ogre. [17/02/17 23:31] dst:1 year but with progressive rewards[17/02/17 23:31] Burns:Will be weeks before the figure out we have no ogres. [17/02/17 23:31] dst:yep! [17/02/17 23:31] dst:that should cover 1/12 of the year [17/02/17 23:31] dst:then we send them chase fairies [17/02/17 23:31] Ungod: (leaving for home, don't kick me out!) [17/02/17 23:31] Ungod: (idling) [17/02/17 23:32] dst:or to look for Khal's chamber pot [17/02/17 23:32] Burns:And have them bring the breastplate stretcher. [17/02/17 23:32] dst:and Peace's toenail [17/02/17 23:32] Burns:No, darky's toenail! [17/02/17 23:33] Lintara:And some mucus from the Underground. [17/02/17 23:33] dst:oh and we should DEFO have some encryption in this [17/02/17 23:33] Burns:I like the amount of evilness we're heading to, i'm totally in for that. [17/02/17 23:33] dst:no Lin! that mucus is sacret! [17/02/17 23:33] dst:sacred* [17/02/17 23:33] :Lintara chuckles mischievously [17/02/17 23:34] Burns:i thought it was scary mucus... [17/02/17 23:34] dst:I think we'll do great in jail once Mur returns and reads our convo [17/02/17 23:34] :*Eagle Eye* bows to my queen Lintara[17/02/17 23:34] dst:it's scary only for noobs [17/02/17 23:34] Burns:I'm fairly sure judges are jail-proof. [17/02/17 23:34] :Lintara nods to Eagle Eye [17/02/17 23:34] :Nah they arent [17/02/17 23:34] dst:cannot count on that [17/02/17 23:35] dst:i could rule myself out but what would be the fun? [17/02/17 23:35] Burns:Drat, i forgot the executive evil overlord! [17/02/17 23:36] Burns:we're doomed, was fun knowing you, dstybus [17/02/17 23:36] dst:same Burnsy! [17/02/17 23:37] dst:a real pleasure! [17/02/17 23:37] dst:for you I learned how to clay model[17/02/17 23:37] dst:how to code/decode stuff.. [17/02/17 23:37] dst:I will be forever grateful [17/02/17 23:37] Burns:What do you suppose, how much time would guarding a quest node take? [17/02/17 23:38] *Eagle Eye*:1 year [17/02/17 23:38] Burns:to come back to the issues before Mur shows up again [17/02/17 23:39] dst:if you do it in a smart way, forever [17/02/17 23:39] dst:without you actually being there [17/02/17 23:40] *Eagle Eye*: *smiles* i love forever [17/02/17 23:40] Burns:Hmmm... sounds like a plan... [17/02/17 23:41] dst:I wonder...would we be able to incorporate spell pages into this? [17/02/17 23:41] dst:and once you have the whole collection you acctually GET the spell ? [17/02/17 23:41] Muratus del Mur:back [17/02/17 23:41] Muratus del Mur:ok, so [17/02/17 23:41] Muratus del Mur:now... [17/02/17 23:41] :dst hides [17/02/17 23:41] Burns:Inner circle magic never got done, did it? [17/02/17 23:42] :Burns hides, too [17/02/17 23:42] Muratus del Mur:i need to know, which one of you thinks he can be an active link in this chained quest [17/02/17 23:42] Muratus del Mur:? [17/02/17 23:42] Burns:i need another question [17/02/17 23:42] Blackshade Rider:Me [17/02/17 23:42] Muratus del Mur:ask [17/02/17 23:42] Blackshade Rider:Also i have a qeustion if i may [17/02/17 23:42] dst:I can be active but only for short periods during the day [17/02/17 23:43] Burns:How much activity do you expect from guardians? [17/02/17 23:43] Burns:Like, i can do PM, but that's about it [17/02/17 23:43] Blackshade Rider:Daily activity [17/02/17 23:43] Muratus del Mur:br, talk when asked pls or i will send you to fang [17/02/17 23:43] :BR you are not Mur [17/02/17 23:43] :Dont answer for him. [17/02/17 23:44] Muratus del Mur:again about this, this is about how you will do future quests, not really something in addition to what you do, but more of a change to how you do what you already do [17/02/17 23:44] Muratus del Mur:your activity will determine where in the chain i will place you [17/02/17 23:44] Muratus del Mur:if its very rare, then that link of the chain will be much more secondary than other links [17/02/17 23:45] Muratus del Mur:"much more secondary" its not really correct, but you get what i mean [17/02/17 23:45] Burns:Yep, and that sounds fair, too, thanks [17/02/17 23:45] Muratus del Mur:if you are active, and i see you actually are there all the time, you will get more sponsorship [17/02/17 23:46] Muratus del Mur:and overall people that are more active, simply put, will get more support in all ways i can, so that they can perform better [17/02/17 23:47] Muratus del Mur:because we are very very few, this is a time when things could change dramatically for everyone [17/02/17 23:47] :Muratus del Mur failed to cast a spell [17/02/17 23:47] :[Spell] I summon you here Fang Archbane [17/02/17 23:48] Muratus del Mur:ok , so again, who thinks can be FULLY involved with this, who thinks only partially, and who thinks he will do better just as spectator [17/02/17 23:48] Muratus del Mur:? [17/02/17 23:49] dst:I can do partially [17/02/17 23:49] Lintara:I can't commit a full day to this, but I can do partially also. [17/02/17 23:49] dst:and defo not during the night [17/02/17 23:49] Muratus del Mur:not answering means by default only spectator [17/02/17 23:50] *Eagle Eye*:I will help also partially [17/02/17 23:50] Blackshade Rider:I am active daily through out the day [17/02/17 23:50] Muratus del Mur:its about if you can change your current role to fit, not about doing one single event, but how you will do from now on forever [17/02/17 23:50] Fang Archbane:Im way too busy to do anything but spectate till Jan 1st 2018 [17/02/17 23:51] Ungod: (just got home, fully involved in what?) [17/02/17 23:51] Muratus del Mur:ok [17/02/17 23:51] Zleiphneir:You have my volunteership.[17/02/17 23:51] Muratus del Mur:in being part of this chain of quests [17/02/17 23:51] Lintara: (the whole chained quest shenanigans) [17/02/17 23:51] Muratus del Mur:z, fully, partially? [17/02/17 23:51] Ungod:does that mean staying on the island? [17/02/17 23:51] Muratus del Mur:no [17/02/17 23:51] Burns:I'm afraid i'm down to low partial involvement, then. [17/02/17 23:52] *Sunfire*:partially [17/02/17 23:52] Ungod:great. however, it's partial for me, unfortunately [17/02/17 23:52] Muratus del Mur:ok [17/02/17 23:52] Zleiphneir:Fully. [17/02/17 23:52] Blackshade Rider:Fully [17/02/17 23:52] Muratus del Mur:partially: dst, Lintara, *Eagle Eye* , Burns, *Sunfire* [17/02/17 23:52] Muratus del Mur:fully: Blackshade Rider, Zleiphneir [17/02/17 23:52] Muratus del Mur:who else? [17/02/17 23:53] Muratus del Mur:if you dont answer now i will assume you cant [17/02/17 23:53] Esmaralda:Won't have much time so spectating. I'm sorry [17/02/17 23:53] Muratus del Mur:ok [17/02/17 23:54] Ungod:partially for me [17/02/17 23:54] *Syrian*:i dont mind helping out in places but as an active quest maker i wont be good fol [17/02/17 23:54] *Syrian*: (for*) [17/02/17 23:54] Muratus del Mur:the rest of this meeting will probably continue on email or in a different location with those that remain part of this, in this way the spectators wont know the plans and will be able to enjoy playin [17/02/17 23:55] Muratus del Mur: *Syrian* is that partially or spectator? [17/02/17 23:55] *Syrian*:you can put me down as partially and i/ll help as and how i can [17/02/17 23:56] Muratus del Mur:ok [17/02/17 23:56] Muratus del Mur:the rest? anyone else? [17/02/17 23:56] Muratus del Mur:i can assume nobody else i guess [17/02/17 23:57] Muratus del Mur:ok, i think thats all for today, the following people pls pm me your email so i can write all the participants further details about this. [17/02/17 23:58] Muratus del Mur:if you have any other questions, or remarks, now its the time [17/02/17 23:58] Blackshade Rider:I have one [17/02/17 23:58] Muratus del Mur:and it would be VERY helpful for me to know what you think about this plan, all of you...lets say on a scale from 1 to 10, how good do you consider this chained quests plan to be? [17/02/17 23:59] Fang Archbane:9 [17/02/17 23:59] Blackshade Rider:Will these chained quests in any way help then advance in mp somehow? [17/02/17 23:59] Blackshade Rider:7.5 [17/02/17 23:59] dst:without seeing one, so only from the presentation phase, prolly 7-8 [17/02/17 23:59] Muratus del Mur:nope, quests dont interfere with mp advancement [17/02/17 23:59] Lintara:8 [17/02/17 23:59] Burns:depending on the implementation, 6-8 [18/02/17 00:00] Ungod:depends...the idea is good (like many here) , but the actual implementation is one that isn't so clear [18/02/17 00:00] *Sunfire*:it has potential, but we'll need to see how much us vets can invest in it and make it coherent [18/02/17 00:00] Muratus del Mur:ok, thank you for the feedback! [18/02/17 00:00] Zleiphneir:I am on the fence for various reasons, so 5 overall [18/02/17 00:00] Muratus del Mur:i guess now i need to match your expectations [18/02/17 00:00] *Eagle Eye*:8- because you nade it in a hardway of thinking. I will update my points when i touch down;) [18/02/17 00:01] *Syrian*:is it okay for a log to be taken of this conversation? [18/02/17 00:01] Muratus del Mur:last time, anyone here that wants to get involved with this, partially , or fully? [18/02/17 00:01] Muratus del Mur:yes please do, send it to me too [18/02/17 00:01] *Syrian*:i would say about a 7 as well, the idea seems very nice as an idea [18/02/17 00:02] :[Spell] through entropy we stare [18/02/17 00:02] Muratus del Mur:well we just discussed the idea [18/02/17 00:02] Muratus del Mur:the actual implementation is next phase [18/02/17 00:02] Esmaralda:8 [18/02/17 00:02] *Syrian*:would you like me to email it you? you have a character pm limit [18/02/17 00:02] Muratus del Mur:its pointless to discuss implenetation with everyone, thats something i will discuss just with those involved [18/02/17 00:03] Muratus del Mur:yes pleae mur@magicduel.com [18/02/17 00:03] Muratus del Mur:ok so your feedback is 5 to 8, mostly 7-8 ..not that bad, i think you believe it might actually work [18/02/17 00:03] Muratus del Mur: [18/02/17 00:04] Fang Archbane:Huge potential. Humanism makes this both doable and a feat. [18/02/17 00:04] Muratus del Mur:Ok, if you don't have any other things to discuss about this subject, i will move everyone back to the mainland, ok? [18/02/17 00:04] dst:actually chained quests is not a new idea [18/02/17 00:04] dst:every game has that [18/02/17 00:04] *Sunfire*:what will happen on short trm with the noobs coming to the mainlands? [18/02/17 00:05] dst:the difference is that in MD we can have a huuuge diversity [18/02/17 00:05] Muratus del Mur:yes true, but here they are controlled by an actual person [18/02/17 00:05] dst:and freedom [18/02/17 00:05] Zleiphneir:none of this is a new idea...Im under the impression that is the point [18/02/17 00:05] dst:yeah, I think so too, Z [18/02/17 00:05] dst:it's a formula that works [18/02/17 00:05] Muratus del Mur:no, z..the point is to focus on player interactions [18/02/17 00:06] *Syrian*:except hopefully people wont be inclined to skip dialogue since you cant skip a person [18/02/17 00:06] Zleiphneir:let me re-phrase then. This is a rebirth of the original system in my view [18/02/17 00:06] Zleiphneir:On that, I mark it a 10 and a 1 for the same reasons [18/02/17 00:06] Muratus del Mur:and to do it in a way that is easy to follow and not chaotic like it is now,...now for example, someone reaching the mainland, has absolutely NO clue what to do [18/02/17 00:07] Zleiphneir:I have no doubt it will work, personally. At least, for a time. [18/02/17 00:07] Muratus del Mur:this is actually the way i envisioned md to be played always [18/02/17 00:07] *Sunfire*:we didnt either when we woke up in the cabin [18/02/17 00:07] Muratus del Mur:but never had the tools and the opportunity to actually do it [18/02/17 00:08] Muratus del Mur:i want legendary characters to actually be part of this chain, so that other, old or new players, have to face them at some point [18/02/17 00:08] *Syrian*:if anyone else wants a copy of the log here, send me a PM and i/ll reply with it, as not to spam the chat with requests for it [18/02/17 00:08] Lintara:Would be nice Syri [18/02/17 00:08] Burns:We're all going to be Wodins in no time! [18/02/17 00:08] Muratus del Mur:and this method of roleplaying the usage of items, ...well not rp..but just reason their use, i think it fits md best, and is most flexible way to achieve something like this [18/02/17 00:09] Muratus del Mur:yeah burns [18/02/17 00:09] Muratus del Mur:sort of [18/02/17 00:09] dst:Wodin sucked! [18/02/17 00:09] Muratus del Mur: [18/02/17 00:09] dst:I shall be better [18/02/17 00:09] Burns:Only when i played him ;P [18/02/17 00:10] Muratus del Mur:thats where diversity comes in handy...if you have more options of a chain, doesnt matter if a link sucks or not, what is important is that the entire chain holds up [18/02/17 00:10] dst:we all abused Wodin, Burnsy [18/02/17 00:10] Muratus del Mur:anything else? [18/02/17 00:10] Muratus del Mur:or time to end the meeting [18/02/17 00:10] dst:yes [18/02/17 00:10] dst:I have I question [18/02/17 00:10] Ungod:ooh, now i remember [18/02/17 00:10] Ungod:go ahead, dst [18/02/17 00:11] dst:could we use this to start using spell papers? [18/02/17 00:11] Muratus del Mur:people that volunteered to be involved with this, please pm me your email so i can write you all the next part [18/02/17 00:11] Muratus del Mur:yes [18/02/17 00:11] Muratus del Mur:totally [18/02/17 00:11] Muratus del Mur:spell docs and other features too [18/02/17 00:12] Muratus del Mur:because if they are part of a chain, i can release them in a much more themed and well staged way, as part of an unwritten story so to say [18/02/17 00:12] Ungod:@mur: on forum, ingame pm or..? [18/02/17 00:12] Muratus del Mur:game pm pls [18/02/17 00:13] Ungod:ok [18/02/17 00:13] Burns:What about rare creatures? Angiens, drachorns, that kind? They could be specific goals to reach, i think [18/02/17 00:13] Muratus del Mur:the rest that will just spectate, don't say later you didnt had the chance [18/02/17 00:13] Burns:like milestones [18/02/17 00:13] Muratus del Mur:exactly [18/02/17 00:13] Muratus del Mur:everything that is now unreachable, will be part of the chain [18/02/17 00:13] *Sunfire*:can we vets still achieve things through the quest chain? [18/02/17 00:13] Muratus del Mur:depends only on who controls that link [18/02/17 00:13] Muratus del Mur:and that i will decide based on activity and performance [18/02/17 00:14] Muratus del Mur:everyone , including representatives of this chain, can play all the "links" too [18/02/17 00:14] :dst feels like in school again [18/02/17 00:14] Muratus del Mur:see it as a sort of social stucture [18/02/17 00:14] Muratus del Mur:but without titles [18/02/17 00:14] Muratus del Mur: [18/02/17 00:15] Muratus del Mur:this sort of change can only happen when we are so "collapsed" that it would make no difference if i reset everything or reorganize everything, [18/02/17 00:16] Muratus del Mur:think its a good way to turn the situation in our favor [18/02/17 00:16] dst:don't push the reset button!!! *hugs her stuff* [18/02/17 00:16] Muratus del Mur:Thank you all for participating, this was truly a hostoric event in my opinion.. I will make an announcement shortly

Maybe after the meeting regarding gateway island, you will have a better use for these

The item is fine, the error was just saying that there is no place in the realm where this item can be found as a clickable. This sort of check was removed, because combiners can be personal items too. I added an additional check to be sure that combiners without a valid result won't be allowed to open.

i have strong reasons to believe that value of gold in report to silver is not something that will change easy if ever. Unlike currency, or other things in any economy, gold value here is not given just by its rarity. Also, items requesting gold, as in "anything containing the word gold" is not a bug , is intended. Maybe it makes no much difference now, but it leave room for very interesting turn of situations. I wonder (maybe someone knows), was inflation something that existed back when a gold coin was equal its gold value? if you know what i mean, i am curious..