Jubaris

to prevent abusing, it can be limited to heal in best case only till MAX Ve of the healed player. (but regularly like Apophys suggested, so heal actually means something to normal mp4s and mp5s)

Rowan - the Thinker / cat. and yes I think they got it right.

other than those awesome great protectors that are everywhere, this old timer is available as well, where you will find honesty and a true friend. and there's bound to be one more protector as well, yes? or it's just us 3?

Pip cleverly said few things I wanted to add as possibilities before replying, one thought to add: the very tournament that was mentioned here, I had in mind as made of those reprentations of few people. 2-3 people fighting for the land, but for the event, more should come, let's say 5-6, as reserves (in case of needed substitutions, that one doesn't show up and such. King should make a list for priority of players who need to play, and who replaces them if they don't show up) [quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1284327517' post='68298'] B) if you can present good answers to my cynical viewpoint, then your "idea" is likely to be a half decent one, responses like your previous one merely shows you are not actually trying to answer my points i am making, and therefore will mean you are not thinking about the issues that may occur. C) yeah, some people are too good, the issue is that most of the time its a pre-determined ranking, you already know who is some of the best players, and it doesnt take too much work to look at it and work out who is likely to win. Im not saying this is wrong, but some contests there is no point in entereing becaue you know the winners already. E) Who is saying they arnt already doing this? (not pointing the finger at anyone) but there have already been incidents where kings have been auccsed at giving out wishpoints freely to their people. So why not again? I) "Neutrals don't exist as a state," - im sure that you can work out that Ailith and Phantasm and relatively smart people and between them can organise some people from Tribunals. Unless you feel they are incapable of talking and making a descision? Even if you feel that, you merely have to tell them that they need to agree on something or they dont get a "team", Its not rocket science. H) i still disagree with your idea that you should gather people before telling them the definition of what will happen, i agree about the idea of the olypmics, but totally disgree with the current "fight" thing that you have put ahead. And i apolgise for thinking this would be ran by you, your initial post is very cloudy. If the current format is anythign akin to the Torch contest (same strong people abusing the system so the outcome is already known before the contest) then it will fail quite simply. It needs to be much rarer and much more intresting. When i go to check the forum and see the results, i should be intrested and not feel like TC "Oh what a surprise, X got some points from alt farming and abusing the system" [/quote] B) I like that you're giving me "extreme" cases, so we can all discuss how to solve them and get the idea better, what I don't like is that you seem like you just want to destroy anything before it happens (hater attitude. maybe I'm wrong ) C) well ok, they're too good, then they deserve to win. Thierry Henry was too good to play some football, so he should go away? E) of course there are abuses that we won't point fingers at the point is, every king like I mentioned if you noticed, cannot vote for his own player, only for "foreigners". We can make a better system if you have fears that there will be political voters, example: King X fears King Y and want's to kiss-ass (pardon ) so he votes for player from Kingdom Y. I sincerely hope there aren't that kind of 'weak' kings, but if you think that's how it is, let's try something else. I) I thought of it originally as a competition, meaning that getting better than your opponent is a great motivational factor like in most of the sports (Greeks hate Turks, but it's better to let it out in sports than make a war. Random example anyway), and I would like it to stay competition in that sense, but I know many who aren't in mainlands would probably like to participate anyway. In the case of me being stubborn which won't happen, a new contest can be made for that "general fun" idea, but sure, if you are all enthusiastic about it, let's involve the "neutral lands" somehow. Pip mentioned that what I wanted to say about making a low populated land (like Undergrounds) being allowed to voluenter to help another mainland (hell you can make transfers of that. We can make a contract system! ), so that's one option. Second, is that we make some kind of unified lands thing (only on the paper) with someone taking care of submissions. Suggest some more H) look, this idea fell to my mind. I haven't exactly started thinking nights about it, that's why it's cloudy as you said, and as such, I just don't want it to slip away, get forgotten, and if community likes it which I think it does, I then want to brainstorm on all difficulties, work with those who give me help the most in ideas. I have this general opinion on the ambient it should provide, and I would like to use your (community) suggestions that will help me form that cloud in the way I like it, or the way I semi-like it and you like it better if I like it less... whatever I could ran it, but there's a chance I would like to participate at point. So people will maybe tell me I have conflict of interests? What I would like to be achieved, in fighting, is that the fight log of every player gets screenshoted after the fights end, and send to their respective kings, then it would all be announced in a forum topic for the "jury" or whatever to decide and calculate the heavy math on who was the winner Torch is open to abuse (farming), and doesn't have any clear rewards yet, and no one keeps public record of the wins (that ideally should be fair and justified), so no motivation to work. It cannot be as Torch [quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1284332250' post='68303'] King/alliance leader picks 3 people who will do the events, without knowing the events that will be used, and can't change those people. Example, Marind Bell chooses Chewett, Handy Pockets and nadrolski to represent them, and can't choose those people for the next two competitions. If a land doesn't have enough players, people with no homeland or from another (not main) land can be subbed in. If, say, Rendril competes for a main land, MDA can only give players to that land, and cannot have their own team. Not a perfect system, but I think it'd work. [/quote] thumbs up. One of the possibilities @Kyphis: I already said in this post what I think about neutral lands being part of this. Ok we can do it (although I am unease due to my thought-aura of neutral lands being neutral and having their own functions to concentrate on, but I guess that's just me, nvm), we will think about possibilities along the way. and yes, this is intended for something longterm Yes my point was something related to game mechanics to have a "defined" winner... (that MVP doesn't change the nature of the very tournament that is based on mechanics, but is for statistic, honors, etc.) Debates... ok I would like to see a debate, but on which subject, and how can you assign which side defends which side, what if they don't believe in that side, etc. ?

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1284324098' post='68293'] A) Heads contest, too much of something fun? its not fun anymore, and definately too much of it, however you have to get people to organise this. This is the difference from heads and it makes it even more annoying for those who have to do things each month. B) If your best argument is to attack someone who gives an opinion/problem then you have really gotten low. C) Did you participate in <insert name here> tournament? it involved no tokens, nor skills and dst still did VERY well, i dont see how you can limit something to make it fair for everyone when knowledge rules and those are already known. E) Vote fixing, Ever Watched Eurovision? The strange little countries win because their "borders" vote for them, UK never wins because no one likes us. Its not a contest F) ok then, but i thought you wanted something fun for all, G) If you are limiting people entereding then some lands will quickly run out of people, H) You cant say that questions about the format should be asked later, because you cant organise something going "it will be a festival, we should decide if you like it but i cant tell you the details until you agree whether you will like it because it will confuse things" I like the "idea" of having something like this. But i dont like how you are intending on implementing it, but when i have brought up my opinions you have decided that "Talking about rules will cause confusion, let's leave it for later". So because of the general flaws i feel that this will have, that you havent yet addressed, and since you feel talking about the rules will cause "confusion" i am very negative about what you are planning. And totally disagree with what you are saying., [/quote] A) it's discussable really, it can be even rarer. 3 months, 4 months, whatever, depending on the situation B) I wasn't attacking you, but you're being very cynical (sounding at least) C) the idea is to balance the potential of players, as an example in chess - that we all have the same figures (or at least nearly the same figures), and that it is up to the skills of the player how to use them. Are you saying contest can never be too fair since certain players play better? E) yes, they are based on people voting. These are the kings, that already have that abusive power of giving WPs, so I doubt they will make such conspiracies to reward certain players... Just to answer that Eurovision, it's not always about good neighbours, but about citizens that live in country other than their homeland (lots of Turks in Germany for example). G) forget the nature of participants, limited number of participations was just a thought, not an idea I'm trying to present. We'll discuss rules seperatly (read below) [quote name='Darigan' timestamp='1284324877' post='68295'] You called it Olympics and whether or not your going to retain that name if you want fairness *cough* in the least likely of sense then you should allow neutral lands to be able to pick their own reprentatives if they choose to do so. The alliances of the neutral lands have leaders that are fully capable of choosing participants from their lands, and thats if they decide to participate. Also in normal Olympics there is more then one event, so you might actually consider a fighting contest and other sorts events or perhaps different variations on the fighting concept such as no tokened battles and/or scene crit only battles like i did in my last tournament along with full all out battles where everything is allowed. Last I would consider holding it every half a year at the least June, December, or somewhere around there otherwise it will get boring fast and you won't have enough time to come up with new ideas and events to keep things fresh. [/quote] Neutrals don't exist as a state, so I can't give them an invitation. Point me out to their system and I'll reconsider then. Alliance leaders... how do I decide who's more important? for example, Phantasm or Ailith/granos/pip/whoever is leading Seal of Six/ ? Yes, I want to do more events. The problem is I couldn't think of anything based on game mechanics yet to add. Maybe something again related to rituals but not fighting, but achieveing certain scores... As much negative XP as possible? I asked for suggestions. Just don't suggest poem contests please or such purely subjective things about rules being discussed later, my point is that I first want to gather people to say: I would like something like this. And when that's settled, I would like us to start going step by step (us the community, not me alone, otherwise I wouldn't post and ask for suggestions, this is not "quest of mine" but a competition I want to make that would be a certain motivation for number of us to play) and post the rules that we think are fitting (perhaps we'll need to pass the competition a time or two to see possible mistakes.

A) well better too much of something fun (and people that are participating changing so others can enjoy too) is better than nothing. besides, people like to watch football too, not just play it B) I don't like your pesmistic approach. everything is boring and pointless to you, do you have any fun at all? C) like I said... limitations of a kind. There can be limited spectre of used creatures (and people would train non-token one PERHAPS just for the competition, out of fun of course) or which I originally intended is to have one minute pre-battle of spells, with number of spells being unallowed (such as attacklock, ghost spell, and mirror too perhaps since you basically win the fight with it when you attack) so you can handicap the opponent with freeze spell or weaken spell or no multi spell (it's discussable in that option which spells would be non-overpowering to use. the list must be made in that case), then one more minute perhaps to set a ritual after the spells are casted so once can prepare accordingly (or just don't, having an element of surprise). Talking about rules will cause confusion, let's leave it for later please if the answer is positive so we can start work on it. What I am sticking for sure is that the score will be made out of that minute time of fighting, studying the logs, and the one who has the percent of VE lost the most, losses. Percentage of VE decides scoring points, not the fix numbers. E) how about kings vote according to the statistics, but they are unable to vote "for their own" players? F) I can't please the whole world. If they can't participate, I shouldn't make it at all? It doesn't have to be world-wide event. You have European Champions cup, what will Asian clubs do?

just a note: I sense this aura of hostility A) yes, I agree that is better to keep it once per 2 months B) I think it's better that the leader of the land, or the one assigned to the position decides of those submitted to participate who is the best one for the representation, like a manager for football in RL. PERHAPS make a limitation on how much one person can join tournaments in a row C) fair in sense that it cannot be predicted on who will win, like in football you have strong teams, but everyone can lose against everyone D) I'm not sure how should prizes work... probably something that is recycling like coins, something that players posses and are free to transfer so no rules are broken in any sense. E) objective council of voters, who rate one based on statistic gained from fights. (every fight log will be screenshoted - should be screenshoted )

I have certain rules in mind I will suggest later on, but let's leave it for later on if we get to that point then I would rather do it once every 2 months (when the Head contest isn't on for example), and reduce the rewards (meaning erase the WP or use the WP reward for special ocassions...) I thought about that, but no, other lands (at least while they don't have leaders) shouldn't be "allowed" to participate, and how would you make a representation for the "unaffilitated one" if they don't have a person to choose who will fight? having other lands participating makes them gain identity and conciseness about themselves, and effectively makes them like a mainland at point, and everything in game is mostly evolving around mainlands, how much that is good it is up to you, the people, to talk about

I thought about idea of organizing some kind of MD olympics, so sport events. First sport that falls to one's mind of course is the fight tournament. Now let's forget about the actual rules of the fighting tournament, it's easy to come up with something fair so you don't have same winners all the time, but let's discuss the possibility of this being held. The idea is that every one of mainlands have one represantation (Loreroot, Marind Bell, Necrovion, Golemus Golemicarum), concretely for that fighting tournament, made out of let's say 3 people (and they would fight in groups... or 1vs1, but like I said, the rules themselves can be discussed later), so one team per land (and only those mainlands). Representations would be assigned by the King only (or their substitutes) It would be held once a month let's say, in time where the opposed teams can all meet. The possible rewards would be rewards of 1 wp to the most valueable person in the competition or such. The very materialised rewards aren't needed tho in the first place, the very honor of beating in tournament is great. (it would bring some joy to the realm I think, at least it would to me, to have the option of competing) All winners would be listed in official posts of the MD olympics, and if all lands would come up with the standards (flags) of their own (simple ones tho, it doesn't have to be the crest of the land, but something simple related to it, like in football every nation has a crest for it's national football team) that would be a nice addition as well. edit: of course it would have "cooler" name, Olympics is just so you can get the point one more idea came to my mind about this, is that eventually, perhaps one person would be the most useful player in the competition for period of time, and if a decent artist is found, he/she could picture the "heroes" of the competition I'm asking for your opinion, and suggestions for more competing events, other than fighting (but please, don't come up with something like drawing contest or poem contest something possible to achieve with game mechanics IF possible)

yes, just about the healing spell. The rest of the spells work (some are in my opinion supposed to be stronger than that, but they do work)

it's not for free, staying mp6 pays a lot of "maintance" I don't ask for it to become much stronger as a spell, I'm asking that next levels of the heal spell (there are 6 of them) to actually do something effectiver, since heal level 6 = heal level 1, but that sounds fine to all of you? this way my heal with max heat on can only be effective help for mp3s, or "dead" players who haven't joined any land yet.

I will quote my email to the staff of MD and their response: > greetings, unknown staff of Magic Duel :-) > I would like to report something regarding MP6 spells, (not to mention that some are too weak considering that it takes a lot of sacrifices to maintain MP6 status and that it is used (in 99% of situations) for gains of other people - newbs) heal spell has 6 levels in MP6 spell branches, but every spell does completely same - transfering the amount of protector's current heat into vital energy. > > Can higher levels of heal spell bring some privileges of sort (perhaps even as the description for spells said that every levels adds additional 1000 VE bonus to the cast) ? > > > > Because the balancing and the changes you suggest will effect many in Magicduel it is recommend you start a forum post. This will give the comunity a chance to give their opinon on the issues you raise, and see how people view the balance of the spell. -------------------------------------------------- So I am asking for community's opinion on the matter. Just for the record, give vitality in WP shop is much stronger than MP6's heal, in case someone wishes to point out that additional 1000 VE heal per level would be too much.

[quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' timestamp='1284216173' post='68202'] Regardless of Bob’s cult and the CoE’s worship of the moon, the Savelites are the only officially recognised organised religion in all of Magic Duel. Getting that implemented was quite the feat all things taken into consideration. I think it is prudent to remember this, and that due to this, binning it will be quite the statement. Also, considering that point, isn’t it interesting that it is indeed this alliance that causes the most controversy and conflict. Z [/quote] yes, Z, I concur It gives it much charm, actually.

yes, you're absolutely right Firsanthalas. I don't know Savelfuser well at all. I never said I did. Difference between my start and Jazira start, is that I was a member of the Church about 4 months before I started leading it. [b] edit in answer to Firs' edit: I was talking about this course of issues from the point of "Rangers". Not your political apologizes in other subjects[/b] furthermore: wow, you called me a mister? I thought I was a monster from Loch Nes or such?

what motivates you to renew it if you know nothing about Savelfuser? and how can you ignore the whole one year and a half of Savelites that were lead by me (together with Marvolo at points)? No matter did a thing or two went wrong at point, did you like actions or reactions by some people, isn't it proper to accept it as a part of the history of the Church? (not to mention that I was leading Church much longer than Savel) about not raising a word... ever heard of boycott?

so how can you tell I am wrong, if you don't know what Savel wanted?

I admire Nimrodel how you manage to turn Firsanthalas who banished Savelites, Marvolo who betrayed the Savelites into a poor old burdened king and a victimized brother. You are learning from the best, I think Firsanthalas should hold school for manipulation, lies, public hypocrisy, media spamming. Talking about biased opinions of Pip, where in fact he gives you the most rational responses, yet you yourself cannot accept that Firsanthalas actually has flaws. From when this have started I've [b]NEVER[/b] saw Firsanthalas saying "ok, I might overreacted here, I might made a mistake here". Isn't that some sort of biased opinion? This course of events is really a mess, nobody can say that he did his part perfect. -master initiator that's exactly what Firsanthalas condemnded up there, but you seem to present the pacifist part of his thoughts. Add faking to the list of held subjects in Firsanthalas' school. How I love to see when Firsanthalas plays the role of an angry god, and minutes after that, most often, Mya shows up with a fixed smile and a "welcome hug". In this case it is you. -you know nothing about my chances given to Firsanthalas so stop talking about them. I will finish the file I mentioned soon I hope and post it somewhere to be seen, my point of view on things, and how I came to them. -Mya always had suspicious behavior on me. We talked about that and I think we resolved that during the period, but sadly course of events lead us to separate sides again. Not being able to work with Mya... you need to be more concrete than giving semi-questions and answers, mentioning something than letting people use their imagination to present Rhaegar with horns and fire. -So, me rebelling after Firs "tightens his nose" is wrong? He banishes me and sends me to prison... but that's perfectly fine? I could have done much worse later on Nimrodel, going into a mad sabotage wherever I could, you must understand that I have nothing more to lose here, and that's it when people are most dangerous. I chose not to do few things on the end. -Read more details on the following book, only 5 dollars to hear the story of your wildest imagination... - a little joke, but I will tell more about it when I make that file. Isolating case like this only makes my posts longer than needed. I am very curios on how long it takes till someone in Loreroot makes an opinion of his/her own. Just a few more years? -Nice now I'm accused of robbery. What else? About Jazira... Of course she can't continue what I have started completely, if someone starts something in the Church it will most certainly be entirely new (much of my thoughts about it weren't expressed, of course, again, in that file you will find out more). However it makes me unease... I would like to give opportunity to Jazira to do something... it is my moral duty, one of the general principles of the Church for sure to let her do her job if she wants to do some good to the world. It is the dilemma that haunted me last few minutes, should I step up against Jazira, or support her? One of the major problems in it is that most certainly it won't have any refferance to what "my" Savelites were doing, what they standed for, and that most likely they will not be EVER mentioned by her, since she must follow up policy of Firsanthalas to make an alliance... But if she tries do something else that is good, why wouldn't she be able to, people get forgotten all the time? Maybe it is I who should try to preserve that memory, which I try to at least with that Memorial Firsanthalas hates so much...

Pipstickz gives you the most possible rational response, yet "people" manage to get him into six negative points, cause he's making responses to the most beloved. I will most likely make a lengthy file, about my presence in Loreroot. Have no fear it will be done as objectively as possible, explaining WHY I had such and such point of view at such and such situation, how I started and how events evolved around me (how it influenced course of events... I realize it sounds egoistic, the point is that many people know nothing about the subject, most will not care, I'm making it for few people that will care, to get the whole picture from my side, and not Firsanthalas' propaganda) so I don't have to make same responses on false accusations by Firsanthalas on the forum, whenever my name is mentioned. The amount of bollocks you make Firsanthalas is outstanding. Let's start with some short responces, and be patient for that file to get the lengthy ones. Main point of the Savelites were the general values it stood for. You were too blind to see it. -I did make an alliance from nothing. first members I had when I arrived where: Clock Master, MWbrady, White Reaper. The last two left. I think I did a pretty damn good job, if you look at least at the individuals I brought to the Church, considering that I projects that were ongoing, who should have represented the very base of the Savelites Church such as Savelite Codex with the help of Blackthorn. I'll explain all that in that file... -If you know how to read, you would see that an Outpost doesn't mean changing homelands. The Idea was to help the travelers with healing, nothing major of assistance, but something symbolic, fitting to the role. And of course I try to assign many roles to the Savelites... what, should I focus on just one? I am not that limited as you are. -What's wrong with setting an Avatar Shop? What did you do anyway? -Thank you very much on your compliments. I love you too. -Never thought you were weak, I knew that you weren't. You're an opportunist that managed to squash everyone on his way to power, that is for respect old lad My "issue" was you being incapable of doing anything for Loreroot, nor accepting to actually help on those suggestions from the people who try to do something. -Activity of Savelites was great, and I planned to make it better, I'm sorry that it was taking much time, at least it was quite bigger than those of Guardians of the Root. Any GoTR made at least an UTOB or a decent quest? Your GoTR I mean, not the GoTR from Nelya or such. Don't lie about not responsive Savelites please. -Aggresively kept the items THAT I PAYED FOR?! WOW! And even if I got them by privilege of course that I wouldn't give them to Marvolo since he betrayed the principles of the Church for which the items were created for, I admire your logics Firsanthalas, I really do. Wait I was sarcastic. You're bizarreness and absurdity brings me to madness. -Yes, memorial to the fallen of your tyranny. I'm sorry it sounds political, but I had the need to give them at least a decent memorial if not freedom in their own alliance. don't accuse Pip of spamming since he was the only one to make sensible responses. The worst part is that you have actually followers on your path of complexes and paranoia. edit: I'm apologizing to neutral observers if I took it too much, but hypocricy of Firsanthalas and such as him really get the worst out of me

congratulations and have fun! you'd better be back for Serbia - Ireland qualifications, so I can prepare some messages

Trade finished, if a mod could close a topic it would be cool, but not necessary

just yesterday level 2 angien permanent stats worked to me. So it might be a personal issue

sorry if I'm being rude, but I'm not in the mood to ask around how much you can offer and such. state your offer concretely, and if I like it I'll make it a "new best offer", if nobody makes a better offer in the next... let's say 8-10 hours, I'll finalize the trade with Manda.

you can't transfer them, you can only pay RL money to send credits to someone. what's a Zircon? besides, 11 credits would be too low... edit: anyways, the trade should be finished tomorrow night if nothing new happens.

Manda's offer has more value and more needed things for me.

happy birthday MRHole One