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As today starts a new month. I will begin one of my strange projects : [center][size=6][b]Free the lands of resources[/b][/size][/center] As I have access to only herbs, I will start with those. If anyone wants to join, feel free to PM me with progress - resource, - land - date when land has been freed If you want to add your next next to that event, let me know, otherwise I will consider you want to stay anonymous. I will update with progress shortly. Edit: "Free" as in "depleted". [spoiler] Recurrent edit: Lands freed from the burden of resources: - Land of the East - no more Herbs (2013 02 01) - No Man's Land - no more Herbs (2013 02 01) Update : 2013 02 02 - Loreroot - no more herbs - Loreroot - no more Lumber - No Man's Land- no more Lumber Progress : 2013 02 03 - Golemus Galicarium - no more herbs Progress: [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/13684-month-of-free-lands/#entry132110"]2013 02 05[/url] - Land of the East - no more Herbs - Loreroot - no more Herbs - No Man's Land - no more Herbs - Underground - no more Mineral Water Progress: 2013 02 07 - Loreroot - no more Water - Loreroot - no more Resins Progress: 2013 02 10 - Land of the East - no more Herbs - Loreroot - no more Herbs - No Man's Land- no more Lumber Progress: 2013 02 11 - MDA - no more Water / Resin / Lumber Progress: 2013 02 14 - Loreroot - no more Water / Herbs - MDA - no more Water - MB - no more Water - No Man's Land(no land) - no more Water - No Man's Land - no more Herbs - Land of the Eash - no more Herbs [/spoiler] Progress: 2013 02 15 - finally GG - Golemus Golemicarum - no more Water / Herbs Progress: 2013 02 18 - Loreroot - no more Water / Herbs - MB - no more Water - Land of the East - no more Herbs Progress: 2013 02 19 - Loreroot - no more Treebark Progress: 2013 02 20 -MDA - no more Treebark - Loreroot - no more Herbs Progress: 2013 02 22 - Loreroot - no more Herbs Progress: 2013 02 23 - Land of the East - no more Herbs ____________ This topic will be closed to prevent spams.

@Chewett & Grido: [size=1][On negative tone][/size] : follow my activity for the next months. @Laphers: Yes, it goes agains the original plan. But Grido doen't know why it is not advisable to have split resources, it is about the ID of the resources. 10k resources WOULD mean 10K records in database which is not a good thing for the server. but 10k resources in 50/100 packs is much more acceptable. Not to mention that packs could also be broken within 1-10 days to mix with the rest and thus limit the database size. And "No", I wouldn't want it to dissapear. If you would have to work that hard to get a "Private Tool" (a not trade-able tool) you would not want it to get lost.

[quote name='Zyrxae' timestamp='1359672656' post='131782'] Possible uses for resources: Community Garden buildings, structures Fix the Ivory Lighthouse and the ship at Wraith’s Wreck: free the Empty Aramors and Tiny Men Repair the bridge to Oak Fort [/quote] These would be great as automatic quests but with some easy steps to perform (bring x resources, bring axe ... ) and it can be the beginning of a new type of achievements and a new age for MD. ________ Good luck Zyrxae

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Can I propose some events ? - The Raise of Kings - The Fall of Kings - The day of no alliance ... I might think of few more. The announcement log can help a lot too

Taking something back cannot be too late as long as that thing still exits. Instead, Mur's policy is like this :[i] does it impact 1-2 ppl then it is not important let it be[/i]. This is why he took them back in 2011 and not now. Then Mur will come and say : [i]hey, MD is not supposed to be nor is fair[/i]. I don't have to agree on this, nor anyone else. But who am I to complain to ? The Council ? They will not do anything against Mur not even for "consistency" reasons. The Council has the precedence on withdrawing the Colored ELUs, they don't have to ask Mur to do it. And with all my respect toward Council's activity, [u]I will never agree with their lack of swiftness and initiative[/u] in applying decisions even if they have the "precedence" they need to.

Having already collected those 1k, then you should understand that this is not an issue of too many tools being in game at same time. [quote name='Laphers' timestamp='1359625978' post='131755'] I do not agree with anyone's tactic with depleting resources as I feel that the only reason to do that is to limit others ability to get resources.[/quote] I do agree with you on not agreeing with preventing others access to resources. Most relevant example I can think of are the water tools. There are ONLY 3 shared items and guess who is getting them every week ? At least one is going to MB ppl even if they have access to their buckets. As Chewett said, these tools will raise problems, but only in terms on having all resources depleted. This risk exists even now, the problem is that now, nobody cares. There is no need for resources, they just pile up. Also, to consume significant amounts of resources would imply creating expensive recipes (50-60 and more resource) that would be unfair to not that active ppl. By the way, creating the tools that I proposed here will offer something else (that nobody seems to ask / care) : the ability to transfer portions of resources.

You can rephrase all you want as long as you keep it correct. Don't accuse others when you need to rephrase yourself to so that your statemenst would look "correct'. As for my goop ... are you jealous? Most of my Sticky Goop i gathered from trading good candies for goop. Why is that bad ? Also, are those Elu's dieing ? I don't think so. Mine didn't died , it was taken from me. And that is the real reason I don't fully support your idea. _________________________ For your info: it was a colored Elu that I received for Xmas 2011 ... "by mistake" they said. If they retired them then for it was "a mistake", then all mistakes should be corrected and creatures / WPs retired especially for gift give-away.

@Laphers: I already responded to your question Have you ever tried to collect 1000 resources of one type ? Did you achieved this with just one item ? How long did it took ? Are you, Laphers, afraid that the your land's resources will no longer be under your land's control ? or that they will get depleted ? Please review my answers before pushing "post" as I already responded your quiestion: [quote]9. [u][u]with the limited an set amount of tools you can limit the amount of resources brought into play ???[/u][/u] I agree with you because currently there is no demand. I disagree with you as most of the resources and tools are in the hands of few. [/quote] Or am I mistaken : you are afraid that you will no longer hold monopole / control over resources. buhoo LR is the only land that can gather wood & other wooden resources. As long as your items are not shared (at least not for non-LR) you are feel safe. As long as you keep your land closed you feel safe. But the resources & tools are not about your own need of control, get a dog for that or a puppet.

By the way, I knew I was not mistaking so I had to check. I am sorry it took that long. Here is it (and free for all to check) 5 out of 5: 19572 - Item regrouped 22/01/13. Item Taken from shared location by phantasm 22/01/13 16:29:50 18838 - Item regrouped 22/01/13. Item Taken from shared location by phantasm 22/01/13 16:28:50 18836 - Item regrouped 22/01/13. Item Taken from shared location by phantasm 22/01/13 16:23:37 19571 - Item regrouped 22/01/13. Item Taken from shared location by phantasm 22/01/13 16:27:05 18837 - Item regrouped 22/01/13. Item Taken from shared location by phantasm 22/01/13 16:25:51

Indeed Phantasm, history is history. And all this is internal LotE business. Lets not spam this topic anymore. Already your post and mine are have been tainted.

Thank you for your feedback and for keeping the spam out. These are some really good questions. Stay with me as everything I wrote above was with specific purpose and to the point, but below I will put details & reasons for why I've chosen them. [quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1359556312' post='131697'] Could I not simply buy 1000 of some resource or pay someone else to do it? Lots of determination there. Tools have land loyalty requirements for a reason, don't they? This would essentially make shared tools useless ... so I really don't see the point. [/quote] Read my initial post again Pip. 1. [u]buy 1k resources ???[/u] you can only use (buy and use) [u]at most 750[/u] resources. Yes, Herbs are cheap but how much does it costs 750 stones ? or fenths ? not to mention bones & skulls. The 1000 was chosen as being the largest most reasonable number of resources that one could consider & afford. You might say that means nothing. Indeed , it is nothing when you use 3 items of same type at the same time (see the logs and you will notice them). Also, what is the interval for 1 resource to be gathered ? 20minutes for 1 water ? 10 minutes for 1 herb ? 130 minute for 1 candy ? how long will it take for you to gather 250 resources with just that tool ? somewhere between 2500 minutes for herbs and 5000 minutes for water ... if you have unlimited resources. Also, Chewett, can you please share with us a small statistic of the amount of resources of each type in MD at this moment? Well, these tools will create the reason to spend all those resources and will create "the need" for lots more. Will it allow you to gather faster ? ---- Yes. It will worth a lot for those that have them. Is that bad ? ---- I don't know ? What happend when nad was caught with 10 water buckets? What is he doing with all that water ? Is he afraid of competition ? No, I don't think so. 2. [u]shared tools useless [/u]? Ha. Shared tools will never be more useless then they are right now. Sorry Chewett, i have to ask you again : how many cakes were created this month ? How many where created last months (keep me out for a better view of situation). oh, does anyone remembers the Tea ? how many resources are gathered ... monthly ? is it over 1k for all resources ? (don't be hasty, just check and share please). So, Shared tools will now be used to maximum so that each can get their quota of 750 and all will use ... yes, correct ... the "newly useless" shared tools. 3. [u]Lots of determination there ???[/u] Yes Pip, there is determination. Once you pay for your 750 resources you will need to work for your other 250 resources. Indeed , there is the escape option of using a WP, you will say that this will make the Tool too cheap. Then you, my friend, it means that there are TOO DAMN MANY WPs. Pip, have you read what I wrote ? really ? Look at this : "have at least XX in the skill granted by the tool (if any)" Consider it is a requirement of "10 herbalism" (because it should the the most common resource) , well ... that mean that the person has already gathered 500 herbs. "10 Waterhandling" , for those that don't have access to 10 buckets, it is still about 500 water. Do make the math for one person to gather himself all the resources for just one item. Now consider that many more will want to do it (I know I want to). [quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1359558506' post='131703'] Shared tools are there already, why is it necessary for people to obtain their own collecting tools? If they want a resource, but are not affiliated with a land, they should talk to someone who is... You know... interact with other people. If everything could be done by one person, this might as well be a singleplayer game. [/quote] I would generally ignore such question, but for the all to know, here it is: 4. [u]this might as well be a singleplayer game??[/u] Is/was IAB playing alone at his gates ? was Z next to Bob? or Awiiya ... ? or SmartAlekRJ with his drachorns? 5. [u]Shared tools are there already ??[/u] No, Shared tools are not there for all, at least not all for free. These tools will in time break the monopoles. Private Tools are meant to be private and not trade-able. Meaning that if one manages to build one he alone can use it and take it with him when he leaves MD. Talking with someone will be mandatory if not for getting the tools to gather the 750 resources himself but for buying them (again .. what is the price of 750 stones ??? How many stones are available in game at the moment ??? how many are/were collected EACH month ??) Private tools might mean the death of shared tools, indeed, but only every single player will hold the maximum tools for all available resources. Until then there will always be a market for resources. ALWAYS. And all just because of some useless new tools that are not needed. [quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1359572924' post='131715'] Having a specific and limited amount of independent items does mean you are more forced to deal and interact with people, i prefer it this way and with the limited an set amount of tools you can limit the amount of resources brought into play. I feel the current system works better in terms of controlling supply and demand rather than having a system where everyone is attempting to gather resources and which will most definitely lead to problems. I dont see that a system would be a good use of programming time when other systems are planned and are likely to be more useful to the general populace. [/quote] 6. [u]forced to deal and interact with people ???[/u] Indeed Chewett, it forces you to interact. But me personally I don't want that. I don't do RP, I used to be a fighter. It is who I am and I am not alone. I keep the interactions to the limit that I can handle & accept. Why would you force me otherwise ? Isn't this game for all ? 7. [u]everyone is attempting to gather resources ??[/u] are you sure ? Is it preferred that few (close to meaningless) gather resources ? and do what with them ? oh yea, in the future there will be something to do with them. This will take care that the future can be VERY FAR away / will give players something to do. 8. [u]will most definitely lead to problems??[/u] Open your eyes, problems exists already, you just refuse to see it or you expect something else ? with all respect : can you please share with us what you think it will happen? 9. [u]with the limited an set amount of tools you can limit the amount of resources brought into play ???[/u] I agree with you because currently there is no demand. I disagree with you as most of the resources and tools are in the hands of few. And best reason of all : 10.[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1359572924' post='131715'] I dont see that a system would be a good use of programming time when other systems are planned and are likely to be more useful to the general populace. [/quote] Please let me know , I don't understand how : - is "Dreaming" meant for general ppl ? I personally hate it, but it is getting on top of the list - is "MP7" for general ppl ? who is using it ? Fang ? is that more important ? - is "Illusions" for general ppl ? how many can use them ?5 ? 7 ? does that mean it is general ? - do you want me to get into layout & design ? Thank you for your question Chewett, I do hope you will not get mad at me, but I don't see many "things for general ppl" (i know quite a few that are, but not as important as these tools). These tools are for general ppl as it will create the "demand". Also - Lands may get income due to their resources & shared items - resources will generate trades, trades will invigorate the market for months if not years to come __________________________________ Again, thank you for the feedback as it helps me get myself understood. And thank you for not spamming this topic. NOTE: [b]If you think you know tips & tricks on how to bypass some of the requirements ... good for you. Do consider that what you know is considered a spoiler and don't post it.[/b]

I never tried to stop it, nor I am against it, it is your problem, I just want my access to the "Box of rainbow candies". As I said, "My support will be limited to stock without affecting my other offer / requests (change expired candies/Sticky Goop to Colored or Rainbow Candies).". And I think that at least last 2 weeks you managed to get all 5 "Box of rainbow candies" and give them yourself (if I am not mistaken) to the ppl within your alliance or other random ppl for your own role with disregard to others' needs with special intention to prevent ME (as Eon is out of the picture now) to get them. And I still support the idea that the mentioned[color=#0000ff][b] items are not really shared as long as the access is payed , see the fenth & stone tools[/b][/color]. As for sharing some Candies with certain ppl ... what is the problem ? I've been sharing for a long time (long before Caretakers or candies) your problem is that I was not doing it withing last few months when I was mostly locked in LotE. Don't worry, I have other targets in MD, I will not take your role or your guild's role.

Now on topic: - a list of Elu should be created. I will also support some of them My support will be limited to stock without affecting my other offer / requests (change expired candies/Sticky Goop to Colored or Rainbow Candies). The list can start from : - Darkraptor, - need to check again - soothing sands - need to check again - dst, - verified - Burns

Sponsorship ... for what ? Everything that I can think of relating to this topic is unfair: - contest for only those that have an elu is unfair - contest for only those that create candies is also unfair, there are only 5 boxes and way to far for too many to reach - contest for giving for free candies ... sure, give phantasm the colored Elu as he is the only one that struggles to grab all the boxes for its alliance. - for having the most colored paper ... unfair to those that never had an elu If you put back the colored Elu, I'd like back the Elu that was taken from me after only a few days in 2011 . Ann. 2149 - [2011-12-27 18:05:33 - Stage 11] Morph rarity affected

There should be a way to deactivate this feature.

Private Gathering Tools trader (the trader can be one person holding an item or more) - the idea is to give anyone with enough determination to get a Private Tool to gather something - also, these tools must be gained through hard work and / or trading skills Idea is like this :one Independent Gathering Item costs 1k resources of the item's type For example : - Private Herb Basket - requires herbs - Private Stone detector - requires stones - Private Water ... - requires water - Private Candy Box - as there can never be 500 candies at same time, then either reduce the admission (to 50-100) or accept Sticky Goop and so on. There are some tricks for these items: 1. One can get it - for 500 resources and will receive a Temporary Tool with [u]dual function[/u] [b]for maximum 250 days[/b] - [u]gathering item [/u]that collects the designed resource - a [u]cauldron [/u]that must have at least 2 resources/day since its aquisition. - can add from its own inventory up to 250 resources - must gather 250 resources with this temporary tool When 500 resources are stored (in total 1000 resources must be used), it is ready to be changed to the real item. 2. The Temporary Tool will not grant the resource collected but will store it (in the cauldron) . 3. If the Temporary Tool is not used / filled up to day it will vanish on first attempt to use it. So, one Temporary Tool will must have on day X of its existence [u]at least[/u] X*2 stored resources. 4. The Temporary Tool or the final one Private Tool [b]cannot be traded[/b]. One more thing that all these items can do: - Private Gathering Tools may come with an extra feature : "The box" (smth like a private treasury). There will be just one of this for a person and can hold all temporary gathered resources. The box will spit out "small pack of <aromatic herbs/unknown herbs/water/candy>" containing 50 resources each, no more, no less. or - collect resources within themselves and once they have more then ... lets say 50, they can ask somebody to "unload" them. Same "small packs of..." will came out. All this can be done automatically at ... lets say the old shop on the other side of UG. Or a person can be granted through item a) ability to trade/create them - only by ritual, so that no item will be exchanged (see the interdiction) - from 500 resources for the temporary item b) ability to trade/create from filled Temporary Tool to final Private Tool c) ability to unload the Private Tools / The box . At some point this can be very difficult due to large number of resources. Restrictions - mostly can be done by ritual: - over 500 days old (might done by a player). - cannot have more then 3 items of same type - have at least XX in the skill granted by the tool (if any) Required implementation: - Item to start rituals a, b & c. Maybe different items but for same person - Rituals for a, b & c - Item functionality for temporary & Private Tool NOTES: - "The box" would be preferred as storage for gathered resources as it will allow one player with 2 or more of similar Private tools use the resources gathered faster. - the final results (the "small pack of ...") would finally solve the resource trading issue (trading a fixed & limited amount instead of all). - the "small pack of ..." on use will revert to the normal amount of resources. EDIT: As I've been notified, there might be cases when one cannot harvest those 250 mandatory resources. In this case, to protect the investments, there should be possible to consume a WP to fill up that request (250 harvested resources). It will still remain the requirement to add the rest of 250 resources from inventory within 250 days from Temporary Tool creation. PS: thank you for your [i]neg rep[/i] and not spamming the topic. A [b]written constructive feedback[/b] would be much more appreciated.

Just like last time: dst -independent mineral water too[color=#b22222]l[Score - 10][/color] Tal -ability to change the weather. [color=#b22222][Score - 9][/color] everyone -No man's land citizenship. [color=#b22222][Score - 8][/color] Rumi -four casts of Weather - Mild Rain. [color=#b22222][Score - 7][/color] ChildOfTheSoul [color=#b22222][Score - 6][/color] -tag "wanderer" Kellox -a spell to make everybody in the scene drunk [color=#b22222][Score - 5][/color] Liberty seduction lvl 9 spell doc, if ya feel generous i will take lvl 10 instead [color=#b22222][Score - 4][/color] Lone Wolf -a jail free card with a one time usage that'll free the holder from jail despite length of time left or severity of punishment [color=#b22222][Score - 3][/color] Kellox -a spell to render half of the person's creatures' tokens ineffective for a limited period of time [color=#b22222][Score - 2][/color] Hedge Munos -tag "Fool" [color=#b22222][Score - 1][/color]

Dirty talk, don't read [spoiler] Dude, you've been kissassing Mur for so long you begun to smell like .... Stop f. bothering him. [/spoiler] We need Mur for other more important stuff then to get you to MP7 or even to fix that stupid MP7 especially for you.

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@Change: Lets hope that Council noted that the wish is no longer required. actually ... I will add a comment in the voting page too about this Edit: Done. @VertuHonagan: Read announcements: [quote name='Ann. 2133 - 2011-12-20 04:12:02 - Stage 11'] Investigator DST was granted full access to logs and tools to monitor and investigate criminal/abuse activity. ... [/quote] For the first time in a long time, I agree with the way she handled this incident. Also, you should thank Dst for all her work. She stopped more abuses & bugs that any one individual in MD remembers, even if she didn't do it in an enjoyable way.

@Mya: I am glad it helped. -------- For the sake of spam

[quote name='Change' timestamp='1358978729' post='131299'] To me, the whole idea of the personal request month was to make a request that was selfish enough that the council would grant it, and popular enough that others would like you to get it, over other people's wishes. [/quote] Interesting but I see it differently. This all "selfish request" was a "charade" to give the common fool (read player) and that means YOU (yea, you, the one that reads this) , the feel of the choices Council does [b]everyday[/b]. Just read all the "selfish" requests and make a list of what you would not want to see implemented that are really inappropriate. Now, consider that these requests would have been made to council directly and you should understand the "feelings" of some for the Council because they feel "neglected" and you might even understand what I feel for those that go with their requests directly to Mur as Council doesn't acknowledge their "[b]great/unique[/b]" idea. ::puke:: [quote name='Mya Celestia' timestamp='1358999415' post='131311'] [color=#008080][font=lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif](pure curiosity) What rule does the request make that qualifies it as cheating? I'm not trying to be smart or anything. dst usually has a good handle on the rules so I was curious for my own knowledge.[/font][/color] [/quote] It is the rule of "bribe". Ppl feel that if they go through with the vote, they will be included in CoE. Usually the bribes (even attempts) are punished heavily, but hey we are talking about MD not RL. Good luck to all the rest of good requests. Feel free to consider that the final choices are not influenced / bought. Let me change the missused word "cheat" by "bribe" and quote Amoran's PM: [quote name='Amoran.... PM' ]Bribe or not, it is an opportunity, and I will not discard such an opportunity.[/quote] PS: there is no proof of her doing a felony, so do not punish her, she is "innocent " For those unacquainted to the term: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery[/url] or another random link : [url="http://www.cms-cmck.com/Hubbard.FileSystem/files/Publication/e3ca4c34-f31c-4e69-9ca9-01000b628b26/Presentation/PublicationAttachment/2e7a1cc4-22b6-4327-b4c0-0434b2ea7417/Anti-bribery%20and%20corruption%20laws%20guide.pdf"]http://www.cms-cmck.... laws guide.pdf[/url]

dst -independent mineral water too[color=#b22222][Score - 10][/color] Tal -ability to change the weather. [color=#b22222][Score - 9][/color] everyone -No man's land citizenship. [color=#b22222][Score - 8][/color] Rumi -four casts of Weather - Mild Rain. [color=#b22222][Score - 7][/color] ChildOfTheSoul [color=#b22222][Score - 6][/color] -tag "wanderer" Kellox -a spell to make everybody in the scene drunk [color=#b22222][Score - 5][/color] Liberty seduction lvl 9 spell doc, if ya feel generous i will take lvl 10 instead [color=#b22222][Score - 4][/color] Lone Wolf -a jail free card with a one time usage that'll free the holder from jail despite length of time left or severity of punishment [color=#b22222][Score - 3][/color] Kellox -a spell to render half of the person's creatures' tokens ineffective for a limited period of time [color=#b22222][Score - 2][/color] Hedge Munos -tag "Fool" [color=#b22222][Score - 1][/color]

Ok, here are my selfish MD desires : No. 1: cardboard box - will create small boxes with either 1 creature or 100k ve or 100k vp or 100 AP ( maybe not AP, but anyway) - will take that amount at creation time from the one that uses the box No.2: traveler's shoes item - cast a "traveler's shoes" spell that - will allow travel granting 35-40 loyalty for any land. (it could grant twice for gates but not really necessary the point) - will last for 24 hours - at the end will teleport to GoE No.3: wand of elites - cast spell to advance to MP6 - due to daily checks of number of followers, the target should get back to MP5 next day No.4: independent stone detector