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[quote name='BFH' timestamp='1344197062' post='119346']
I don't think people are stupid enough to think they aren't players. You really think any external person can understand MD world and such things without been players... If you believe that.. Too disappointing...
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are they STILL players?
if so then I misunderstood, but since it was Mur's announcement interpreted by chewy... well then, it would be an honest mistake
plus, if they still ARE players, then what's to make sure that they don't 'help themselves'
I know that's stupid, I didn't really mean it, I know they wouldn't, but that's the logical thinking pattern I followed to reach the conclusion that they're not current players.


[quote name='BFH' timestamp='1344197062' post='119346']
Mur left many unfinished things, he was one and like me on other sites, he just couldn't do all. Hence the need of a group, they might be slow, but at least do things fully.
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true. I can't judge this since I just showed up. Before, Mur was in charge. I'll have to wait and see.


[quote name='BFH' timestamp='1344197062' post='119346']
This is a lie. Anyone can make a worth quest. I guess you guys aren't having enough enthusiasm participating in them or creating them. On my quests there are players from all stages who won them.
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unfortunately I just missed your summer festival quest... I really got pissed...
but my point was that a lot of quests can only be solved by vets. some, I agree, are good for all, poems, pictures, etc...
but some, are targeted at higher level players. And usually that's where most of the 'good' prizes are located
I'm not saying some don't exist for other types, but that the majority are for this.


[quote name='BFH' timestamp='1344197062' post='119346']
If I make a party and I organize it correctly it will be successful. If I organize a party without considering all aspects it won't be successful.

Boredom is our fault. There are still ingame concepts that needs to be changed for more an "open" game. But still, it's our fault.
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exactly, if correctly organized, you'll attract a crowd, if not, you don't... the point isn't about boredom here, but attracting the crowd to avoid the boredom


[quote name='BFH' timestamp='1344197062' post='119346']
As mp3.. lets see I trained on 3 places. Sparrings, GoE, & GGG.
Answer to why there aren't many mp3s out there points to other problems which are still being solved/fixed, but this shouldn't affect
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b/w every other thing in this thread, and a lot has been said, this is my main point...
there aren't many mp3s out there...
this will solve many, many, MANY things...







[quote name='Sasha Lilias' timestamp='1344196771' post='119345']
When I trained as a MP3 (and as for many of the Vets) there were no sparring grounds or GGG. There was the Dojo, but that came quite a bit later.
As for the title, it was named that when it was taken over by the people, such as ShadowSeeker. If people choose not to train there then perhaps it should have the tag a) removed or b) changed.

[b]Change happens. Nothing stays the same indefinitely.[/b]

~Sasha
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it's not that I'm being offensive, but that's not my point...
actually, we're on the same side here... change will happen, it should, but I'm not talking about the place
i'm talking about the lack of MP3s...

sparring grounds is where they are usually located, their lack there is their lack almost everywhere... that's what I meant.
and at that time, that was the most populated scene by MP3s in the realm...

I'm sorry if I seemed offensive or such Sasha...

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344196157' post='119344']
rhetoric question. Are the council members real players?
from what I gather, they're not... so is it really in our best interest?
would an African gouvernment successfully rule an American populous?
no, they just don't understand them, same thing if you switch it... (not that I'm showing racism, I'm just supposing, that an African gouvernment, with all the poverty in it's country isn't used to being technologically advanced. I'm not showing racism, it's just reality.)
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I don't think people are stupid enough to think they aren't players. You really think any external person can understand MD world and such things without been players... If you believe that.. Too disappointing...


[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344196157' post='119344']
agreed. things will take time to be done right. If they could be done faster, it'd be better though...
but don't forget that one person deciding and implementing will be faster when it comes to decisions, BUT he/she will have more mistakes (ie, he'll probably implement a bad idea) but if he's 'one of our own' ie, like Mur was, the chances of a bad idea will go down dramatically... now with the council, many people arguing, it'll take more time to reach a consensus.
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Mur left many unfinished things, he was one and like me on other sites, he just couldn't do all. Hence the need of a group, they might be slow, but at least do things fully.

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344196157' post='119344']

but the reward has to be worth the quest, and such quests are usually also only restricted to a specific set of people, making the rich richer, and poor poorer.

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This is a lie. Anyone can make a worth quest. I guess you guys aren't having enough enthusiasm participating in them or creating them. On my quests there are players from all stages who won them.

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344196157' post='119344']
actually, if you think about it a bit, it'll be an incentive for new MP3s to understand and discover the secrets of MD.
ofcourse, there are those overpowered MP3s that we still have to deal with...
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Spoilers shouldn;t be the option. Never ever. There are other ways to make them learn. Many ways.

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344196157' post='119344']
did we really build the boredom BFH? If you make a party and only two people show up, it's not really your fault is it?
but ofcourse, we're still trying to make it better... everyone's trying
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If I make a party and I organize it correctly it will be successful. If I organize a party without considering all aspects it won't be successful.

Boredom is our fault. There are still ingame concepts that needs to be changed for more an "open" game. But still, it's our fault.
[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344196157' post='119344']
oh, and about Eon, I was just quoting what he said about MD losing it's flavor...
will we all end up like that? and I don't mean out of boredom, but rather out of animosity that things have changed...
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Eon is asking for someone to challenge him That will be fun

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344196157' post='119344']
you don't like reading so I'll keep this brief.

where was the place you trained in when you were MP3? I mean, most of the time

the subtitle of the scene, for crying out loud, is 'the sparring grounds' why would no sparring be taking place?

plus, the GoE was full... but only one MP3 was there... me... *shrugs* I dunno, just doesn't seem right
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As mp3.. lets see I trained on 3 places. Sparrings, GoE, & GGG.

Answer to why there aren't many mp3s out there points to other problems which are still being solved/fixed, but this shouldn't affect

[quote name='Sasha Lilias' timestamp='1344196771' post='119345']

[b]Change happens. Nothing stays the same indefinitely.[/b]

I think you have taken this quite a bit too strongly, and need to realise that although it is empty now, it will fill up once more when people choose for it to do so.

~Sasha
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AGREE

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344177075' post='119320'] but did he give the council authority over all matters MD? I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I don't know if it is or isn't, but it's one of those changes that actually changes nothing, but changes a lot.
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yes he did. It changes thigns quite a lot... Your contradiction is plain wrong.

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344177075' post='119320']
burns, chew, dst, you've all been here for some time, and I don't think you'll leave anytime soon, but tell me, change is inevitable, I know, and we all agree here, that almost all changes Mur makes are for the best of MD, even if we don't see it that way, but I'm somewhat having a hard time understanding some of them, eventhought it might not be my right to 'question the system'
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No, those who idolize Mur and put him on a pedestal will claim that all his actions he does are perfect and great. They arnt. Mur is a human like anyone else and he makes mistakes like anyone else. However he has the right to say that he wants the game to move in X direction, even if people disagree with it.

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344177075' post='119320']
for example, I know that smartAlekRJ used to be drachorn master, and he used to reward drachorns for quests...
right now, they cost a fortune to get one, 16 gold and up.
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I would point out that there is a player that has the ability to give these items out, but they are exceptionally inactive and i havent seen them in a while.

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344177075' post='119320']
angiens, eventhough less rare, are a dream for most MP3s... and the annoying this about it is this : they cost a lot of AP to level up and become useful.. that was good! it taught people patience! right now, almost all angiens are old enough to be directly upgraded, but here's the catch, not anyone can get them, oh no... you have to buy them

I say angiens are less rare because I've seen many people give them out for quests, Maebius for instance, buys all the ones he can find and gives them all out, sponsoring them, but is there no way a person can get them himself anymore?
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Yes you can get them, see below.

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344177075' post='119320']
the closing of the angien's shrine, I might agree with (eventhough I don't know why), and I will agree with. (maybe it was abused? I trust Mur) but the drach lair is closed only because no master appeared or since the old one didn't leave the key, or or or...
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Angiens shrine was closed by petition of the MB people. One person has access and has the ability to take people there. Again, its not impossible to get them, in addition to drachorns as i have mentioned. You can get both creatures if you try. However for the drachs i feel a new guardian needs to be chosen since the current is hideously inactive.

[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344177075' post='119320']
the idea that it's summer , well I agree with that. less traffic, but as far as demographics go if the mortality rate is higher than the birth rate, the country is in some trouble (well, in most cases, China excluded for example)

also, and this troubles me a little, a lot of MP3s are no longer doing anything alone! ie, a burst? they directly get the answer, without trying and guessing. beating the guards? people lend a hand and provide a spell... I asked for a cast a few days ago from a friend. he said no, and he was right, I shouldn't get into LR like that, after all, how will I learn anything about it? I was just jealous that those who probably knew less than me about rituals went in faster... spoilers spoil the fun, they don't seem to get it though
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I see the game in its current state as very much "beta" you could prettymuch close MD and work on it getting it into a more "workable" state, and re-open it again. You are all testers for the first stage. Many things need a lot of work to bring it up to a properly playable game. Combat has went through numerous stages and still hasnt reached one with the initial idea of "anyone can beat anyone"


[quote name='The MoM' timestamp='1344177075' post='119320']
amd Rumi, I also knew Marvolo, and I also miss him, no one should leave MD due to 'boredom' or such, MD's just too enthralling... I wonder what happened....
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Thats a tad foolish, people get bored of stuff, they move on. I find MD immensively interesting from a point of view that few others will share, people get different things from MD.

the point isn't WHO left the game, but rather how much...

also, and this I'm not exactly sure about but from what I've heard, Mur is on a 'break' well deserved in my opinion, and ofcourse, we can't expect him to tie his life on MD for us, but did he give the council authority over all matters MD? I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I don't know if it is or isn't, but it's one of those changes that actually changes nothing, but changes a lot.

burns, chew, dst, you've all been here for some time, and I don't think you'll leave anytime soon, but tell me, change is inevitable, I know, and we all agree here, that almost all changes Mur makes are for the best of MD, even if we don't see it that way, but I'm somewhat having a hard time understanding some of them, eventhought it might not be my right to 'question the system'

for example, I know that smartAlekRJ used to be drachorn master, and he used to reward drachorns for quests...
right now, they cost a fortune to get one, 16 gold and up.

angiens, eventhough less rare, are a dream for most MP3s... and the annoying this about it is this : they cost a lot of AP to level up and become useful.. that was good! it taught people patience! right now, almost all angiens are old enough to be directly upgraded, but here's the catch, not anyone can get them, oh no... you have to buy them

I say angiens are less rare because I've seen many people give them out for quests, Maebius for instance, buys all the ones he can find and gives them all out, sponsoring them, but is there no way a person can get them himself anymore?

the closing of the angien's shrine, I might agree with (eventhough I don't know why), and I will agree with. (maybe it was abused? I trust Mur) but the drach lair is closed only because no master appeared or since the old one didn't leave the key, or or or...

the idea that it's summer , well I agree with that. less traffic, but as far as demographics go if the mortality rate is higher than the birth rate, the country is in some trouble (well, in most cases, China excluded for example)

also, and this troubles me a little, a lot of MP3s are no longer doing anything alone! ie, a burst? they directly get the answer, without trying and guessing. beating the guards? people lend a hand and provide a spell... I asked for a cast a few days ago from a friend. he said no, and he was right, I shouldn't get into LR like that, after all, how will I learn anything about it? I was just jealous that those who probably knew less than me about rituals went in faster... spoilers spoil the fun, they don't seem to get it though

amd Rumi, I also knew Marvolo, and I also miss him, no one should leave MD due to 'boredom' or such, MD's just too enthralling... I wonder what happened....

oh, and dst, the point wasn't with the cycle the point was and I 'semi-quote' Eon

'it's not out of addiction for this game. That died out long ago' <-- for a fighter and one that doesn't do much RP, the implication is clear...

I'm a little confused at how this auction works. You said it's a monthly auction and that there will be two winners each month.

If two tokens are sold, do they just go to the top two bidders? Do they go for the same price? Currently, CotS bid 16gc and Sasha bid 14gc. Does that mean I can bid 15gc and top Sasha while still coming in under CotS?

If two tokens are up for auction at one time, do we need to specify "I'm bidding on gold avatar token 1" (not gold avatar token 2), the same as if you were selling two drachorns?

Please clarify.

Yeah, and? I'd need two more removed for me to be removed from my position. And in a couple weeks, I will be getting another trust point added on.

What you are suggesting is that I could be removed for what exactly?

A bit of understanding would be nice.

I don't have to tell the community anything. That's why.

Do something? I'm sorry but last I checked the CT's have put on several public alliance sponsored quests in the past few months. The Grail in January, and The Coffening in June. We helped with a funeral for Spart. Several contracts have been fulfilled requested by the powers that be.
No public impact? Hmm last I checked we worked diligently on trying to support the herb population in TB until everyone pretty much gave up on herbs. When Eon or whoever is the only one out farming them, makes little point to monitor it. Also I believe it was the CT's that tried not all that long ago to help "the community" with killing Eon in an effort to pull that "community" together in an effort.

I will agree that we are quite inactive during this time, which has affected the herb monitoring. It's called real life. Summer time is almost always the busiest for anyone who actually does something on a regular bases. Gardens, Work, Children, Schooling, Wives/Husbands, Remodeling, vacations, etc.

man SOE is primary alliance of MB, not KOB

soe badge is coat of arms of mb
soe was made first
number of seats doesnt mean anythin
kob was formed coz mur wanted that each land has "civil" and military ally, otherwise kob wouldnt have ever existed
more over military alliances in those days dont mean anythin, nothin is decided by them or by creat fights

I doubt there is any need to see the rest of the scores, if the prize is simply coins that could be given as a gift without question anyways. Apart from participants and sponsors, I don't see any need for anyone to know the full range of scores.

But this shouldn't even matter, because you're not the one fighting, your creatures are.

Well, if you didn't follow the "right" thing to do, why should I?

I depleted them entirely because you kept depleting them beyond the optimal regrowth rate.

Again, I did NOT tell him to stop!

AND I NEVER SAID IT WAS WRONG.

Like, how dense are people?

Quit assuming crap.

Azull said it right. Also am not "trolling" i am simply notifying you that you have no stance in Necrovion and like you said neither do I so we are even.

-Telling someone to stop doing something implies you disagree with what he's doing.
-We have no need of you telling us what is happening in Necrovion.

(now, if you can read between the lines, you might see the deeper meaning of that last statement)

Where did it say in my post that he broke a rule? Where does it say that I disagree with his actions. I was notifying the Necrovion community, of which you are not a part of.

So, Junior. Go find another post to troll.

so? where is the rule stating he cant take them all? i dont mean a rule you made up seig or anyone else for that matter. he got his hands on an item and is using it just as he pleases. Isnt that the same as you did with a kill item?

Plants would be a second category of combat participants. Would not have any VE or do any actions in combat, but provide stronger and more varied auras. Would take up max 2 of 6 ritual slots. Would have their own page with list, images, PTC codes, etc. level upgrade requiring age/heat, not wins losses, but contribute to rituals gaining power through wins. Have their own series of tokens.

We already have at least 2 plant-like creatures (tree and toxic), but we could potentially diversify the combat experience by adding another form. I could list further ideas, but I'd like to see what community thinks.

Err... Clearly.. you totally miss the point. Its a quest genius. So there is a very very easy alternative. That is to Solve the quest. Why beg for help from others when you can easily do it by yourself? The whole Point of the quest was to inculcate team spirit in the team. Not to win it. The only reason I spent my nights sleepless was to make sure that I solve the quest and just so that Val could come alive. Have you done that? I have travelled to the east in search of revivors and stayed there fo a whole day just so that I could find a revivor. Did you do that? All the time I could've spent in studying or training in MD or having fun talking at GoE or making tea or helping a friend gain wins or Spending quality time with my RL friends, or catching up on my novel, or going out for a movie, or catching up on my sleep, I spared it for a quest. Did you do that?

Do you think BFH is so stupid as to just kill off the leaders and not revive them at all? The only reason he didnt state this clearly is people wouldnt even bother to solve the quest thinking that 'Ah.. Its just a matter of three days. The leaders will get revived anyway.' Shows how less the people are concerned about their team leader. Many people were busy in the quests in the summer fest and not every revivor in the Quest could log on at the times we wanted them to. Hence the post and the postponing. ITs very simple you know. YOU need to put in an effort to solve the quest. You need to use you resources even if their limited because you have a sane mind and your mind is your greatest resource.

All your posts simply say that 'Oh people of MD! I cant help revive my Leader back by myself! Because BFH was a ***** By killing the leaders! PLease do the reviving work for me! Oh poor me, I dont have active team members as well! Oh Poor me! I cant solve anagrams! Oh poor Fyrd! He cant move at all and participate at all! Please help us because we cannot do our work by ourselves'

That is whining.

PS: If increasing the font size and changing the colour of the font to red could make what is untrue true, MD would be a different game. INstead of spending all that time in colouring and making your post look big, you could've spent it in trying to solve Z's anagramsor trying to finish off the quest. Just proves my point.

An addition I hadn't thought of before that would be great in the garden is a place for a few honeybee hives. I'm partial to top bar hives.

*bows*

thank you Rumi.

i am currently a tad busy in the Lands of the East, what with TK business with Seigheart and whatnot, but ill be sure to find you once i am free.

where, pray tell, may i find you once im able to walk freely once more? &-&

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For the record, I'm just as much in the dark as Tom.

I'm too busy to care much about being dead just now. In the grand scheme of things, I'm sure I'll get revived eventually. Blink of the eye and all that....

BUT I think this is a really crappy way to run a festival. Who is ever going to sign up to be on a festival team again, let alone agree to lead one, if the expected result is that they will be singled out to be made "dead"? It's a secondary effect that said person is then unable to participate in the remaining 2/3 of the festival in a meaningful way. Quite a reward for trying to get a team to pull some quests together.

I didn't even agree to be the leader of our team. I think Tom is a little concerned because he sort of tagged me as leader. No worries Tom, it'll all shake out in the end. Think of it as a rite of initiation or such. I'm touched that you are concerned - thanks.

Quite ironic that my main activity the last month or so was an attempt to get a reliable public channel open for reviving the dead....

Ladies and Gentlemen, [color=#282828]
[color=#000000]first of all: [/color]there were 2 informations purposefully omitted in the cursed parchments.[/color]
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One is good and it's that, after all, Time was on your side.[/color][color=#282828]
Since the beginning of the quest, each hour passed grants 1 point to the team. [/color]
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But, for the sake of Balance, in the end we calculated how many points you scored for each part (gather resources, be attacked, let the time pass) and compared them. [/color][color=#282828]
Given a +/-5 point margin for each part, we took the best value (the Balance) and for each part exceeding its margins, we lowered the difference from the total score.[/color]
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After all this mess (indeed the true summer joy for the numerologists here around)...[/color][color=#282828]
[b]you should have reached a minimum score of 15 points to be successful in the quest. :-)[/b][/color]
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So, the results!!![/color]

[b]Team 1 represented by AmberRune:[/b]

Score:
- Gathered 11 different resources on AmberRune's inventory [b](+11 points)[/b]
- AmberRune got attacked 13 times in a single fightlog [b](+13 points)[/b]
- Took 8h to end the quest [b](+8 points)[/b]

Penalty:
- No timeless dust found. [b](0 points)[/b]
- Balanced efforts: amidst 11, 13 and 8, Balance is 11. Balance's margins are from 6 to 16: both 8 and 13 are inside. [b](0 points)[/b]

[b]TOTAL SCORE: 32 points!!! SUCCESS!!![/b]

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[b]Team 2, represented by Maebius:[/b]

Score:
- Gathered 2 different resources on Maebius' inventory [b](+2 points)[/b]
- Maebius got attacked 12 times in a single fightlog [b](+12 points)[/b]
- Took 24h to end the quest [b](+24 points)[/b]

Penalty:
- 1 unit of timeless dust was found in Maebius' inventory [b](-1 point)[/b]
- Unbalance in the efforts: amidst 2, 12 and 24, Balance is 12. Balance's margins are from 7 to 17: both 2 and 24 are outside.
Hence: penalty of 10 points (12-2) for the resources gathered and another penalty of 12 points (24-12) for the time spent. [b](-22 points)[/b]

[b]TOTAL SCORE: 15 points!!! SUCCESS!!![/b]



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