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So existing alliances like the Knights of the Bell, etc. would be used? That'd certainly be interesting... This would be only temporary after all. I for one, [i]would[/i] like to join Marind Bell but it does make sense that without a Queen/King or some other known authority/powerful figure in the land that citizenship can't be granted.
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That is Yrth's suggestion, yes, but it wouldn't necessarily have to be temporary. Also, the problem is not that citizenship can't be given, it's that citizenship can't be given without joining alliances.
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Edit: In response to the original post, maybe the chosen representitive of the land has to go through a trial of sorts that possibly cumulates in the creation of a new item or a new method of granting citizenship? *shrugs* I do believe that people should be able to be a citizen of a land, relatively soon (within a month or two maybe?) but the representitives shouldn't just be handed the items back just so they can let people like me into the land without doing anything.
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I agree that we should work to get this ability back, but who would create this test, because we can't necessarily expect Mur to do it, nor can we really expect him to agree to give the items back if it is completed. The best way that I know of to show that you are worthy of a shiny new tool is to accomplish whatever the tool would accomplish without the tool. But then, these aren't exactly shiny new tools, so it's a bit different.
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Also, this depends on what Mur means by 'land loyalty'. Does he mean loyalty to the actual land itself, or more to the people running the land? If it's the former, maybe make it an individual thing where people can prove their loyalty to a land by their actions. These actions might vary based on the land itself.. although that would mean that people have to follow Mur's assumptions about lands that seem to be more player created, so there's issues with that too.
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What are you referring to here, where Mur is talking about land loyalty? Land loyalty usually refers to the points given for every day you are a citizen of a land (you can see somebody's land loyalty by mousing over the [?] beside their loyalty or honour score when you click their name), but I can't be sure that was what he was talking about in what you're reading.
I would suggest you talk to an LHO (or any older player, really), make your way through the announcements and forum topics (if you're up for a challenge/really long read), and spend some more time learning the game. It's not that your opinion is unwanted or unhelpful, but it is difficult to wade through what you say that is incorrect and find the points that are still relevant. Being wrong isn't a bad thing, there has to be a balance