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[quote name='Tal' timestamp='1325893767' post='100193'] and that is the problem. You should be able to punish those who are inside your land if they break the law, regardles if they are citizens or not. If you break it and can get out of the land, your free, but when you go back in you would be a fugitive in that land risking punishment. [/quote] So when you take a step into GG and they jail you for not worshiping a GG protector, how do you react? If you fight in a war against anybody and they jail you the minute you step into their land for being an enemy, what do you do? Land laws are land laws for a reason, they only apply to the citizens of the land that they were made for, and that is how it should be. If you really want to punish people for breaking laws that they never agreed to follow, then be my guest, I'd like to see you try.

Did a walk from GoE, through Loreroot, through MB and back to GoE. Most, if not all, of the steps gave me exactly 100 heat.

[quote name='Tal' timestamp='1325869334' post='100148'] People do care, But until herbbaskets become only usable by lorerootians, there isn't much that can be done against the biggest depleter of them all. Another way would be to allow landlaws also aply to non-citizens when they enter a land, and be subject to punishment by the ruler of that land when they break the land laws [/quote] Herb baskets only usable by Lorerootians? When herbs were introduced, Mur said in the forum thread that herbs were meant to be available to anybody. I haven't heard anything that would suggest that is going to change. Land laws applying to everybody would be ridiculous. Different lands' laws contradict each other in a bunch of ways, an obvious one being any rule about torch competition, you have to walk in another land to score. Another would be protector laws and behavior laws and such. I'm not a robot to be reprogrammed by the ruler of the places I walk.

Kyphis' point is about the only proof there is in this 'case'. If it makes you happy, rather than asking for proof of innocence, perhaps it is better to ask for this 'evidence' to be refuted. Either way, there is very little reason for trial, since even if convicted, this is a minor abuse and would at the very most consist of a week in jail, if there were any reason for a punishment at all. Not to mention it would barely be an issue if you had not blown it out of proportion. People are entitled to their opinions and the expression thereof, doesn't mean they want to die on a hill for them. You want Nadrolski to stop, then [b]you[/b] start a trial, see how well it goes.

The bug isn't getting things for free, it's getting things you're not intentionally buying. At least, I believe so. The same thing happens if you use an item like tea and refresh before closing the thing in the triggers box that tells you about the tea.

Great thread dst, I see you're back to picking on whoever you don't like, as long as they can't fight back. Bravo indeed, you have a very special talent for fighting when there's nothing to lose. It's clear your punishment last time didn't change anything for you, and even though the announcement says "next time will be worse" ([color="#CCCCCC"]Ann. 2017 - [2011-09-19 15:29:32 - Stage 11][/color]) , I highly doubt anything will be done. You want hypocrisy? Look at the person with the role dedicated to finding abuse asking someone for proof of abuse. Either you already know that there's no abuse and you just like making others look stupid, or you just don't care to look because you like Eon. I wouldn't put either one past you, though I find the former much more likely, because both you and Eon just love seeing people look stupid when they get frustrated with you.

If you use your alt to benefit your main at all, it is abuse. If you get caught abusing, depending on the severity and how popular you are, either nobody cares and you might get a warning (something like giving your alt a silver coin, or talking on an alt when you're silenced, or having one or two alt-adepts), or everybody notices and you get punished (past cases include mains training on alts, farming credit bonuses/coins on alts for the main, and alts giving WPs to main). There are cases where people have abused their alts, been caught and gotten away with it (includes giving WPs from alts to main, holding creatures/coins on alts, creating items with alts, and using alts to reach MP6). Abuse alts at your own discretion, but if you are caught going too far, you're more likely to be punished than not. People have gotten away with some stupid things, doesn't mean you will. If you are at all worried about an action you plan to take, ask. People will be more likely to believe you when you say "I thought it was ok" if those people know you were told it was by, say, Grido.

And how often does Mur sit and think "How could I made this idea better?" He's got a lot of things to think about already, and it certainly can't hurt to discuss the idea in the hopes of improving upon it, since Mur generally asks for feedback on new ideas once they're released anyways.

[quote name='Yrthilian' timestamp='1325506420' post='99369'] First how little you know before asking such questions tut tut tut it again is kiley is just as guilty for lack of diplomacy as you say. As a land leader you have the right to run your alliance as you wish but when it come to matter of the LAND you don't have the right to decided by yourself. it is that simple. [/quote] Kiley has been nothing but polite and respectful in this matter and all others I have seen her involved in, which is a feat, considering the nature of the forum. From what I can tell, you think you can't have possibly done something wrong, so I see little point to continued discussion. A split seems clear between older and younger members of Golemus. Perhaps GG should try to take a page from the Lorerootian book and talk about your problems amongst yourselves, so you can at least appear cohesive.

So now it's the citizen's responsibility to make sure they're allowed to join the land they're joining? If I get an invitation from SoE, should I go ask Handy to be sure that she's ok with me joining, even if Chewett has said it's fine? Where in the Golemus land laws does it say anything about any of this?

I knew Yrth was xenophobic, but not others in GG. This is good to know.

Grido and Peace aren't joining the lands, they're using illusions, and illusions aren't real, they should not offer real bonuses. That doesn't mean loyalty needs to be changed, it means the illusions need to be changed.

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1325378477' post='99255'] So how does people going into other lands just for the land AP bonus fall into that view AmberRune? They are not part of the land, and just want the AP bonus [/quote] How many times has this actually happened? Is it not the responsibility of land leaders to weed out and know these people?

Merry Newmas

I'm still just as loyal to Necrovion as I was the day I left it. Tribunal is different, though. Since Granos is pretty much inactive and I'm not a TK anymore, I have no official affiliation and no alliance to join there, but I still want to help. I may never join a Tribunal alliance again, if I can't somehow get SoS back, doesn't mean I'm any less loyal. If demon king Mur told me to jump, I'd still ask how high. How do you measure real loyalty to a land, though? Is it loyalty to the king? Because the only king is Mur in the Tribunal, and he doesn't ask for much. Alliance leaders? Those are determined by loyalty score, which really comes down whoever can farm it best. It's clearly not the amount of days you've been a citizen, but that's a part of it. All this really boils down to is who should get the AP bonus, I guess, so I s'pose it doesn't matter all that much. Iunno.

Here's a question: You're meant to replace Mur as the "man in charge", so to speak, why do you need to talk with him about things like this? Bit of a rhetorical question, really only meant to cause a stir. >>

Well, in Eon and SoS's case, I doubt he's actually going to use the alliance for anything other than Tribunal days, so I'd say don't let him into the old SoS forums. But then, I'm biased in this case <<

Considering Eon's the only one in there, and that he's not very talkative, it's doubtful. You're free to try if you want, but I'm not going to concern myself too much over something I can do nothing about.

SoS was taken from me by Junior. He claimed to be creating a quest, and I made the mistake of trusting him. This was not an "alliance move".

Alright, good luck.

I'll trade you for some regular ones, if I can get enough.

Ann. 1940 - [2011-07-25 05:18:52 - Stage 10] Ann. 1997 - [2011-08-23 04:43:50 - Stage 11] From these announcements, I'm going to assume that you're out of luck? What exactly have you lost from this?

ZenTao, you are taking SS's words as a personal attack when it is nothing of the sort. He is merely stating his opinion and backing it up.

If you can't do it, find someone who can. You have four other members, delegate tasks.

[quote name='Magistra' timestamp='1323540019' post='97639'] I do have a bucket, but up till now I haven't been able tu use it. It seems that this is a 'wrong' bucket then. Where do I find that usable bucket? [/quote] In somebody's inventory, you'd have to trade for it. The best way to get water is to buy it from somebody who has it, collecting it is not something anybody can do.