Ivorak

I edited the names in the first post with a strike through for those who have responded. Everyone else, please do. (If you've sent it directly to Mur, that's fine, but a post here saying that's what you've done would make my job easier.)

Good work, Rophs! I added a brief intro and tagged it with the resources category. I made a list of all the resources at http://magicduel.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Resources, if you click a link for which there is no page it will prompt you to create one. Zyrxae's Resources of the Realm spreadsheet is a good starting point https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhfiqLPs3vohdGxwNURkN2dqVzIxZjNUOEZaVUJyWXc#gid=1 If I have the time Saturday, thinking about sitting Ivorak down somewhere in MD while I edit the wiki. Anyone want to join me?

Thanks, Kyphis! Added that list to the original post. Has a postman been selected?

We need your mailing address so we can send your title your way! If you are on the list to receive a title, please fill out the following form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1XPZYFMI2S9srxTrsZA3g9C5KAlBcnry46d9tTI1fe4o/viewform. Responses will be seen by myself (Ivorak), Mur, and your respective granting and confirming authorities. If you cannot disclose your home address, please refer to http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/15633-md-titles-issue-disclosing-personal-home-address/ and let us know if there's a problem. The list of those getting titles (for this first round) can be found below. Please respond to http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/15649-md-titles-updated-list-with-suggested-hierarchy/ if there are any errors. [log="Title Recipients"] Kyphis Handy Pockets Azull Peace dst Ailith Granos Assira the Black darkraptor Kempiniukas Menhir Mya Celestia Eagle Eye nadrolski Princ Rhaegar Chewett Neno Veliki BFH Junior Rophs Grido Yrthilian Burns Shadowseeker Lazarus MRD MRAlyon No one Pipstickz phantasm Rikstar Syrian WHIsper Zleiphneir Miq Eon Marvolo Ivorak Emerald Arcanix Max Mortlock Sunfire [/log]

I don't use the wiki much because it rarely contains the information I'm looking for. And it's not easy to browse. I want to (and as an Archivist, really should) edit the wiki more, but I can't get past my thoughts that Wikia has taken MediaWiki and crippled it by removing or hiding many of its features. For instance, why does only two results? Okay, so Wikia's MediaWiki installation is a bit quirky but it's not as crippled as I thought. Those links on http://magicduel.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AllPages are to index pages! And http://magicduel.wikia.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?days=365&limit=500 will give you all the changes in the past year. Not many, are there? Let's change that.

Actually, I would agree with "Throughout time past, even with the promise of fame and status, his dedication did not waver." Non-essential clauses should always be set apart with a pair of commas. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependent_clause#English_punctuation.

I think he's been judge for a while, will try to confirm. Okay, so how about a final call for fixes? I'm gonna go through the list (https://titanpad.com/A2GfPvEanN) a few hours and put it in order for Mur.

Not that I'm aware of, unless you're talking about the awarding of new titles. This first round is intended to go out to people who had corresponding tags prior to the announcement of title docs, but I think everyone on that list meets that requirement. If not, let me know.

Thanks, added Eagle Eye. There's just the one judge, right?

Sorry for the slow response; I moved a few hundred miles, started a new job, and hosted a 36 hour hackathon with 300 attendees all in the past week. This was something Mur said previously, but the situation has changed a lot since then as we've worked out more details about titles. I'll add Sunfire back in. Will hold off on KC mercenaries for now.

dst raised these questions and I'll turn them over to the community: Tipu, Azull, and Sunfire have a tag for the knator's mercenaries. Do we consider this a group tag or is it important/specific enough to add these to the list? Sunfire didn't actually quit MD despite his forum post. Should he receive the tag "Consul of Loreroot" for his former role?

Made changes as per Chewett's suggestions (which also reminded me to add Yrthilian to the list; can someone confirm he's still around? If he is there's probably another title or two he should have, right?). And also added Max Mortlock. Also corrected Resurrected Corpse (Lazarus) to Mur. Also fixed order of MR's (should be MRD granting title to MRAlyon, I think. Is that correct?).

Thanks Chewett. You're right, not Z. Garden is not part of established housings. Changed to Mur confirming. As for Kempiniukas, his role is older than either of his land leaders so it could also be granted by Mur and confirmed by one of the land leaders. Or granted and confirmed by his land leaders to be fair. nadrolski shall be Princ Rhaegar and Chewett. Azull is a current leader, is he not? Why would Peace confirm his title? Mur awards Miq, no confirming As for the others, Chewett, you seem to have previous rulers being awarded by the present rulers and present rulers awarded by their priors. I don't think that makes sense (you have no authority to give a title until you receive a title from the person whose title you are giving) and I don't believe it was stated that it should occur that way, but I might have missed something. I thought we said current land leaders would get there titles from Mur and reward previous land leaders their titles going back. The one case where this doesn't occur isn't a land leader position and is required because BFH does not have the time to be involved. I've also removed "former" from the titles. And added Innocence back to the list. Edit: Been away a little, just noticed there are other topics I'm behind on. Apologize if I made any mistakes here before I catch up on those.

Thanks, Intrigue. Fixed. Before I submit this round to Mur, any further suggestions? We're talking about the list at https://titanpad.com/A2GfPvEanN, which looks like this: { "titles": [ { "title": "MDA Land Leader", "recipient": "Kyphis", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Seed Keeper", "recipient": "Handy Pockets", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "King of Necrovion", "recipient": "Azull", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Queen of Necrovion", "recipient": "Peace", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Leader of the Underground", "recipient": "dst", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Bugs Researcher", "recipient": "dst", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Chewett" } }, { "title": "Watching You", "recipient": "dst", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Judge", "recipient": "dst", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Judge", "recipient": "Ailith", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Judge", "recipient": "Granos", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Seeker of the Void", "recipient": "Granos", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Tainted", "recipient": "Assira the Black", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Granos", "confirming authority": "Ailith" } }, { "title": "MDA Land Leader", "recipient": "darkraptor", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Gardener of MDA Garden", "recipient": "Kempiniukas", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Kyphis", "confirming authority": "Handy Pockets" } }, { "title": "Garden Keeper", "recipient": "Menhir", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Handy Pockets", "confirming authority": "Zleiphneir" } }, { "title": "Consul of Loreroot", "recipient": "Mya Celestia", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Water Dowser's Leader", "recipient": "nadrolski", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Princ Rhaegar", "confirming authority": "Handy Pockets" } }, { "title": "King of Marind Bell", "recipient": "Princ Rhaegar", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Code Guardian", "recipient": "Chewett", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Former Queen of Marind Bell", "recipient": "Handy Pockets", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Princ Rhaegar" } }, { "title": "Former King of Marind Bell", "recipient": "Chewett", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Princ Rhaegar" } }, { "title": "Avatar Manager", "recipient": "Neno Veliki", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur" "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Master Advertiser", "recipient": "BFH", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Junior" } }, { "title": "Former Master Advertiser", "recipient": "Junior", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Seedwalker", "recipient": "Rophs", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Handy Pockets", "confirming authority": "Muratus del Mur" } }, { "title": "King of Golemus Golemicarum", "recipient": "Grido", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Head LHO", "recipient": "Grido", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "DracHorn Master", "recipient": "Burns", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Ardent Knight", "recipient": "Burns", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Shadowseeker", "confirming authority": "Muratus del Mur" } }, { "title": "LHO Second in Command", "recipient": "Burns", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Grido", "confirming authority": "Muratus del Mur" } }, { "title": "Knight of the Hunt", "recipient": "Shadowseeker", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Resurrected Corpse", "recipient": "Lazarus", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Granos", // not sure about this one either "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Protector of Golemus", "recipient": "MRD", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Grido" // old title, but still under authority of the king } }, { "title": "Former Leader of the MR's", "recipient": "MRD", "authorities": { "granting authority": "MRAlyon", "confirming authority": "Muratus del Mur" } }, { "title": "MR's Commander", "recipient": "MRAlyon", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", // (MRD if active) "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Abettor", "recipient": "No one", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null // Who does he abet? } }, { "title": "Co Leader of the Treasure Keepers", "recipient": "Pipstickz", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "MasterChief", "recipient": "phantasm", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Leader of KoB", "recipient": "Rikstar", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Princ Rhaegar", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Child of Necrovion", "recipient": "Syrian", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Azull" "confirming authority": "Peace" } }, { "title": "Guardian's Echo", "recipient": "WHIsper", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Zleiphneir", "confirming authority": "Muratus del Mur" } }, { "title": "Guardian of Bob", "recipient": "Zleiphneir", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Concierge", "recipient": "Miq", "authorities": { "granting authority": null, "confirming authority": "phantasm" } }, { "title": "Former Boss Heads Master", "recipient": "Eon", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Son of the Storms", "recipient": "Marvolo", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Secret Ary", "recipient": "Ivorak", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } }, { "title": "Pilgrim of Marind Bell", "recipient": "Emerald Arcanix", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Princ Rhaegar", "confirming authority": "Muratus del Mur" } } ] }

Rophs, what's the status of this?

After hearing from Rhaegar, I have: Fixed nadrolski's title to "Water Dowser's Leader" from "Water Dowser Leader" Moved Rikstar and Clock Master to a new waiting list (to be dealt with next round) section at the end of the doc. Added Emerald Arcanix { "title": "Pilgrim of Marind Bell", "recipient": "Emerald Arcanix", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Princ Rhaegar", "confirming authority": "Muratus del Mur" } } Also moved Innocence to the waiting list, as the title is disputed. See the up to date list here: https://titanpad.com/A2GfPvEanN Kiley, redneck, and Fire Starter should receive titles to match their tags; can anyone confirm them active? Or would anyone care to dispute redneck's tag, "The mosquito"?

Oh. Thanks for clarifying Azull. I have removed that comment.

New changes Removed gonzalocsdf for the time being since this is a new title (gonzalocsdf doesn't already have this tag. { "title": "Freelance Artist", "recipient": "gonzalocsdf", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur" "confirming authority": "Mya Celestia" // proposed the title } } Fixed MRD's authorities { "title": "Protector of Golemus", "recipient": "MRD", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Grido" // old title, but still under authority of the king } }, { "title": "Former Leader of the MR's", "recipient": "MRD", "authorities": { "granting authority": "MRAlyon", // current title holders will grant former title holders their for the present "confirming authority": "Muratus del Mur" } Added Junior as confirming authority to BFH (N.B. this is the reverse of the general scheme of current title holders granting former title holders, but see http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/15649-md-titles-updated-list-with-suggested-hierarchy/?p=153739) { "title": "Master Advertiser", "recipient": "BFH", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": "Junior" // opposite current scheme of current confirming former } } Added Junior as Former Master Advertiser (now Junior can confirm BFH as above) { "title": "Former Master Advertiser", "recipient": "Junior", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } } Added myself (Ivorak) as Secret Ary { "title": "Secret Ary", "recipient": "Ivorak", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Muratus del Mur", "confirming authority": null } } Added Innocence as Raconteur { "title": "Raconteur", "recipient": "Innocence", "authorities": { "granting authority": "Kyphis", // current land leader "confirming authority": "darkraptor" // current land leader } } Next up Can someone confirm the proper spelling of Clock Master's title? There are more players with tags who haven't been confirmed active. Some are on this list: https://titanpad.com/OR5EOoBWdW I've seen some players from Loreroot with tags such as Loreroot Judge, but forgot to note them down.

Thanks, Chewett. Everyone else, please take a look at the other TitanPad at https://titanpad.com/OR5EOoBWdW so we can add the players we have missed and start to figure out who the granting and confirming authorities are for those players.

I've edited the doc with the rest of your comments and I also realized along the way why you were repeating things I had already fixed, when I edited the first post to replace the Google Drive link with a TitanPad link, I replaced the text but not the reference... I've fixed that now, sorry. The doc you should be looking at is https://titanpad.com/A2GfPvEanN. Judge is a group tag, but an important one. Should it be kept?

I will respond / edit the doc for each post shortly, but there are a few important issues to be sorted out. I'll explain the problems which lead to this messiness and then you can correct me or suggest fixes. 1. Mur wants existing tags to become titles, so some shoehorning of old roles into the new hierarchy may be necessary. 2. I need to check this with Mur, but I don't think council can be an authority because it's not an individual and the individuals who it consists of are secret. 3. Alliance leaders should come from kings/land leaders, unless that the alliance has no higher authority. 4. If all miscellaneous tags come from Mur or the Council, that doesn't allow for one of the primary goals of the titles, which is a self emergent hierarchy in the realm. 5. All titles that don't come directly from Mur are required to have two signators (a granting authority and a confirming authority). If I didn't include two above it's because I couldn't think of a suitable authority (as you've noticed, I should have written in a lot more nulls). The whole title system is a mess because it needs to take in account existing systems, and because it doesn't represent purely political roles (otherwise we'd just go kings as the first tier and then on down). For example, Avatar Manager might have a granting authority who has the role of Master Artist but there is no Master Artist. I'm glad you brought this up. I tried asking the council about this and never got a response so I instead "confirmed" with a poll of some citizens. I should definitely have gone to you but lost track of that thought in the shuffle of everything else. Keep the comments coming.

I swapped the Google Drive link with a TitanPad link. Please avoid editing the TitanPad directly and instead leave comments in this forum thread. Ary's title has been removed. Shadowseeker has been removed as an authority on Rikstar's title. BFH has been removed whereover he was listed as an authority. Keep the comments coming!

I need you to do the following: 1. If you are listed as a granting authority or confirming authority, for all such titles post whether or not you are willing to take a part in the granting of that title. 2. Note any errors/discrepancies in titles/tags. 3. Suggest a different granting authority/confirming authority if there is a more suitable role. Null values are only permitted if Mur is the granting authority. 4. Suggest further titles to be granted. This list is still incomplete. (There are about 200 titles to be given out, this list currently only has 50 listed. I thought I'd post before I went to bed.) One way to help is to confirm activity/tag text for the players listed (or not listed) here: https://titanpad.com/OR5EOoBWdW At this time, avoid voting on who should or should not receive titles. Each title shall be put to a vote, to be considered by Mur, but we'll hold that off a little longer so we can do it in a more organized fashion. View the list here: https://titanpad.com/A2GfPvEanN. Please avoid editing the document directly and instead leave comments in this forum thread. When I have more time I will provide other lists based on this data to make sorting through it easier. Edit: my previous edit to replace the Google Docs link with TitanPad, replaced the text but kept the same href in the hyperlink. Oops.

I actually suggested that to Mur as pertaining to your title, but Mur responded "that's not really an achievement". But I assume you got it for something, so perhaps you could remind him of that something? On another note, leaders of alliances who have been at the role for a while should probably receive titles. Though the alliances are mostly under the authority of one land or another so that should already be covered by their respective kings, right?

@dst, Dark Demon has actually somewhat clarified Mur's intent. Though I must add that it's not a straight vote, Mur will have the final word on these matters. @Burns, Granos was actually on my original list of possibilities and I lost his name in the shuffle. @Dark Demon, if you think names on the list are inactive, please list them, so others can discuss and we can cross them off. Though some may go on a separate list to be awarded if they return later.