Jubaris

your file on a clickie dissapears after 14 days, you can see it in the announcements. The file is still there, but hidden (in case of inaction of the creator of the file thus preventing spamming posts)

yes you could tell it that way, if you apply my words literally in every situation, which seems that you are doing. the fact is that the same issue was going around before, and Mur made a post, and still Blackwood Forest wasn't warned cause of his actions, yet the same people continue to voice against his work. It is obvious that isn't about protection of Mur, so what is it about?

since he 'wastes' time to please the desire of possible customers, why wouldn't he ask for such low pricing in virtual cash? I would like the communist the idea of people working on ideas and projects for no fee in order to help all, but if Blackwood wants to earn some money with his ability (that no one used so far to create number of wallpapers, important or not) why not? Since if you question his move, you judge all scientist who make a great discovery and charge the world for it (like in modern medicine, famous pharmacy conspiracies), and you judge system of half of the world (which again ain't bad but good, but you shouldn't focus on this individual ) please people, leave Blackwood alone, and if Mur doesn't like what is he doing, he will tell him so?

his works are like a collage. parts are made out of MD's hand-drawn artworks, and the whole collage is meant for MD therefore it has "Magic Duel" tag on it. it was "made by" Blackwood, since the collage was made by Blackwood. just a side note: collage is regarded as art (for some at least). were parts done by him or not, it doesn't matter, doesn't change the fact that it is art, for him, for me, for anyone else who likes it (which is subjective, so people categorizing what isn't art are making a mistake) Perhaps there might be basis for Mur to sue Blackwood, but if he wants to do that he can do it whenever (or he can just tell him to stop, what Blackwood would do I am sure.), which I hardly think Mur wants to sue a player who makes wallpapers for advertising (in a way) his own game, which doesn't spoil anything, nor are they made in poor quality to ashame our community, the wallpapers he made so far are quite great, in my opinion at least. Interpreters of Mur's desires aren't that wanted. and to do one step further, since I expect people to say "well we need those interpreters since Mur doesn't see the problem most of the times". The picture on the forums (two of them) are present there for quite some time. I hardly believe Mur didn't notice them. edit: grammar check

Happy birthday Akasha may your wings stay young as your drachorns get old

happy belated birthday Kyphis

[b]*spamerish reminder - fix the healing level spells for mp6*[/b] also, when you all talk about getting-mp6-harder-to-get-or-lose, why don't you make mp6 more rewarding along the way? currently you have all sorts of requirements to become mp6 with such amount of disadvantages that it is ridiculous for someone to even think about getting mp6. [b]*spamerish reminder - fix the healing level spells for mp6*[/b] increased effect of the spells based on those levels would be pretty cool too (so the spells mean something to young mp5s too, not just newbie mp3s. My max-heat healings of 4000 Vitality aren't that important to mp4s even anymore, or just some older mp3s who finished the story mode) [b]*spamerish reminder - fix the healing level spells for mp6*[/b] back to topic: this ain't that wounding to the community Grido, of course alt rules should be defined in period of time and maintained, but this is not the only case of alt abusing, so why concentring on the most non-damaging one?

I will pause any project on this for a period of time. Btw I'm not a fan of democracy, but I do apply it when it comes to Community Projects. I apologize if I made troubles with this. I still think it would be better if what I had in mind took place but I really miscalculated my available time, nor I did prepare number of people to involve directly at the start so the community gets familiarized with the project and present it more clearly. My brother is currently in town and I'm mostly around with him, with going on vacation soon, I shouldn't have started something like this. When I do find the time and will, hopefully to continue something like this, I will prepare volunteers before posting suggestions here, and ask for whole community to join in the project since the location that is talked about here is the real starting location of players and should be used wisely by all of us. The grounds project I started is also a desire of King Lifeline of Marind Bell which I am now part of, and will do my best to help. The reason why I solo-ed on organizing this was mostly out of my belief that Marble Dale Park's Sparring Grounds were chaotic and often violated without its enforces, welcoming active changes, but it is clear that many still try to preserve it, and in any actions if so in the future about the grounds I will work on making something that would be fair enough for all parties or at "worst" just help those who wish to help the original Sparring Grounds in a way.

uh, a lot of people to respond to. I hate when that happens I'll start from Kafuuka. and will start from the point under dot two - the idea about starting this was to listen to constructive feedback of people, not sentimental complaints and biased conservative, political posts. in the meantime I noticed I ain't gonna get what I was expecting so went on to the testing phase, checking how would it exist in the period of week or two with a different set of rules (with any future changes being based on that). I also kinda lost most of my interest into MD and with the lack of time on it, sadly didn't manage to put myself enough into the project. Will see about that soon. Now my idea about the long term would include no staff (and more concrete instructions on how should people behave over the grounds - no rules but simple instructions, it is based on people will they apply them or not) with the idea that every older player that has useful method to balance out players (mp3s and mp4s) to use it once in a while on their own will against stronger mp3/4 players who farm wins there/crush anyone on the sight preserving the idea of strength balance of mp3/4 players. actually there was something like those "grassan free fridays" idea but with the ones who I spoke it was pushed away since that kind of rules would be complicated for the young to follow. (idea is the less rules the better) 3rd point. yes role play. depends of your definition of role play. my definition of a role player would be a player who made some kind of role in the realm, that doesn't have to include blue star text, like, I don't know, Emerald Arcanix. He has a role within MB and with its organization, he is part of the council, but he doesn't RP in sense of "picking up flasks of beer" yet he is a role player to me. it is subjective really I should have explained it straight away.

[quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' date='10 July 2010 - 01:31 PM' timestamp='1278761472' post='63732'] I'll ignore the unnecessary bits... What I'm getting from this is that you are basically just saying you will shut down the sparring grounds and leave it as a place where people should use their common sense to set sparring rituals like in a real Dojo, and you are hoping that people go along with that. If that isn't what you are saying, please explain it to an english speaker who knows what you mean so they can put it better or something, cuz right now i still don't have a clue what the reasoning behind this is, the stuff you say contradicts itself in each new post so I can only assume it is a language issue. I dunno. Maybe its just me, maybe everyone else understands 100%. Z [/quote] call it how you wish, minor or major re-editing (depending on the perspective), shutting down, turning on. Difference is that there are no rules now (in my project I mean) but encouragements and discouragements. With previous state there were rules, made by players enforced on other players - while Calyx or Shadow were there (that alone can be questioned is it good or not), and after they're both gone from the place of maintaining the grounds, there is no one to enforce those rules (I realize that you wanted for it to last at length Shadow, just as I would like this to work at length, or even your SparringGrounds/Calyx's Dojo to work at length - as long as it does something, but one of my points is that current Sparring Grounds doesn't work. I see people being afraid of mp5 and complaining how they will get destroyed once they get there, with most of them not knowing to make a decent ritual - I witnessed a friend being impressed by rituals Burns made in Fighthing club, that friend was an aged mp5, few months less than a year. With this AMONG OTHER THINGS they would learn to fight, win and lose, and accept whatever the outcome is, and evolve. First step towards the "real" MD world.) [quote name='Shadowseeker' date='10 July 2010 - 01:58 PM' timestamp='1278763110' post='63733'] Shrug..I say one more thing: I left, yes, but did people understand as to why I did so? I don't think so. Because I left when I saw that the people in it could manage on their own "peer pressure" even if you want..and the occasional attacks they could shrug off. That's how I planned it, and it seemed to work- no big rule enforcing, no big whining, people learned to take things as they are. My presence was mainly to ensure there is nobody who forcefully, continuously does things with evil intent from the start- Since I was apparently no longer needed, fine, I have better things to do with my time. The fighting strength of people would sooner or later balance anyways, so I wait for that to happen..essentially to me you, Rhaegar, seem to take what I did, and pluck it apart. We'll see how it ends. Since you said you have a base of people supporting you..why don't you tell us their names, and ask them to be on duty? I'm watching. If not only because I handled things there before. [/quote] do not missinterpret me, I did not judge your leaving. It was actually quite nice to see one of the strongest fighters of MD "wasting" time at Marble Dale Park for such a time, and you did your job. But that's it, you did your job, now it's time to move on and let others to try to improve it (you do realize that the system isn't perfect and it can never be?! so why are so many of you trying to preserve every rule of dojo like its sacred?) and yes there's a base of people that are supporting the idea, but in the way of approvement, not active participation since I want to do this with as less people involved (less dependence of general population. The idea is for it to work without staff.)

[quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' date='10 July 2010 - 12:33 PM' timestamp='1278758030' post='63730'] I'm a bit confused now by this thread, so can you clear up some stuff for me Rhaeg? First it says part of the main issue is that Shadow left the "community" to manage their own area and that argument has been used all over the thread to pick at him and to pick at the current set up, but then thats what you are now going to do so I don't really understand? Then you said you would use weaken etc to "enforce" rules. Well I think Burns makes a pretty good point but also if you arn't there then what happens? Especially with the set up of attack anyone, to me it just seems like sheep to the slaughter if they all follow you on it - at least the old way some people followed the rules...I dunno, I feel like I'm missing something. You've said you don't want power, but then you've also said you want to integrate this into quests like your younglings thing. Its also a fact that Calyx gained any power she accumulated from the creation of the Dojo. Mostly though that doesnt bother me in the slightest, what does confuse me a bit is you kinda started saying it was to become some sort of guidance area quite aside from the fighting aspect...but I mean isn't that what LHOs are for? Or are you turning the entire system upside-down and trying to create a full scale induction scheme of sorts? I just don't really understand what is being attempted here...at all... Z [/quote] first, the issue wasn't targeted at Shadowseeker AT ALL. Shadowseeker had problem that he wasn't contacted about it (as first problem) which wasn't needed since he left the Grounds WITH announcing it before leaving entirely from it. no, i didn't say I would use weaken (it was a matter of freeze and no multi mp6 weaken doesn't help that much) to enforce the rules, the point is not to ENFORCE something, the point is to set aside the rules that can't be enforced (since in Sparring Grounds without Shadowseeker, there are rules that cannot be maintained which contradicts the idea of a rule) therefore this was created - free fights with common sense ( which is up to people will they follow, it is based on free will), with my spells not targeted to stop someone "violating the grounds" but to BALANCE the strengths of players. (not as a punishment on individual, understand that) yes, integrate quests within it... for the younglings... which doesn't give me power... at all Calyx did get power, tho that was a period of RPCs, and that power came from Mur. Since I try to make something without interference of "higher powers", there's no reason for me to gain anything from Mur, and even if it did, I doubt Mur would give anything to me, so your concern is unjustified. Yes well I was LHO till I dropped since I didn't have time at that point to commit myself to it enough. Probably not even now as you can see. The point is if the LHOs are meant to do that, then see me as one of the LHOs, it makes no difference. The learning aspect consists not that much of telling spoilers as Burns 'gently' put, but of showing options to players, where can they go and develop, explaining more about the paths from the very sources.

their rits are supposed to be proportional on the strengths of their opponents (they can also see stats of another mp3 so can learn how to wage people's strengths via that) maybe they won't listen, but why would they listen to original Sparring Grounds then? and I hear often that they don't. (some tho are saying that nobody violates it ) it has flaws since I'm not that much on MD lately and can't find the time to maintain the grounds, and balancing the status of the Grounds' fighters once in 5 hours doesn't help much I guess, but the goal was anyway for it to be maintained in the long run without my presence (was gonna test it for few weeks to see how it functions this way so I could implement some small changes that could help maintain it without me) my spells aren't supposed to scare anybody, this is supposed to work on common sense (and not total self discipline like original grounds) with my spells balancing fighters when needed so everyone can challenge the strongest. no, lessons I had in mind wouldn't be spoilers.

to prevent abuses of gaining regeneration with torch and then obtaining creatures I guess... I know of a young friend who used it to farm on bird eggs

it's one of the things I like most at MD. it leads people back to creativity, art. good job making those drawings, I wish you all the best in your new tasks

happy birthday Gridoz

yea I was hoping for more constructive suggestions, but people are debating are stats enough or not since this started there wasn't really that amount of questions about the project or suggestions (except Mya's one and perhaps some else I might forgot, please forgive can't scroll around at the moment), people started questioning my motives, started flaming on me or anyone else cause of politics and similar (in the post or via messenger), and I don't expect that to change anytime soon. So I'll start the testing phase. I'll start shouting around, maybe ask few people to help out with it as well, and in a period of week or two, I'll see how it functions. The Sparrings are just a starting step I hope, which will lead to other ones (this can be connected with my idea for Grand Youngster quest and Burns' fight club for mp5s. It can work out pretty smoothly for players on period of time)

I have announced the new system at the sign of Marble Dale Park. It will be a testing phase as well, if things do not function and/or most of youngsters complain that they do not support this, I will end this project. share your feedback here please.

for the record, I can't attack allied ones either edit: at least not non-allied. while being in the Savelites, I could attack any ally member

yes Mya, it's something I had in mind, but I would like for them also to learn that from practical experience (if we manage somehow to make them so they learn this things on their own initiative, without having to beg someone to set an "interesting" rit). but "theory practice" would come great as well. Why not, as long as there are volunteers (and I'm sure there will be number of them as soon as this gets implemented) who would be there to help (like former Dojo staff, but I doubt it will get organized that deeply since someone is bound to ruin it sooner or later, that's why I am trying to encourage learning on your own with a small help at the start and a point on where to look) My goal is to develop this as much as possible, and ultimately, we will be able to present the players possible paths in this realm (is it stat grinding, is it role playing, showing them who's where and where to go to start your self-made tasks), but that's it showing them possibilities and helping them understand the basis of this realm, imperative is for us not to force ANY opinion about possible paths nor influence them in any way. I don't know what you all think of this and how much of you are willing to take part?

[quote name='Chewett' date='06 July 2010 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1278433687' post='63531'] Thats just a tad rude. You accused me of being part of the "elite vetern circle" yet you seem not to care about someones news veiws, merely stating they "dont know what they are talking about" It doesnt give what they say any less worth. From what i have seen is that he has given his personal opinion of it. It may be wrong, But that is where he can learn by you explaining things, other than just going "you dont know what you are talking about" Really, i dont care what happens to the MDP, bring all the new players there, it just means my mp3's have easier targets. [/quote] rude or not it's how it is, my point is that he shouldn't be offended, we all started pretty much ignorant on the surroundings, but yet my post didn't ended with that quote that you mentioned, it started with it. if you aren't blind, I am actually trying to explain things to him, it is a bit awkward for a forum admin not be able to read posts. and no Chewett, actually, you accused me of not informing your "elite veteran circle" of my every action, even tho it is unrelated to the same. It was you who did the accusations, not me but if you want to quote personal conversations why don't you give the whole log, and not quote random things posting them out of context? the whole issue of this so it seems is that I didn't messaged certainly people about my project, well, I made a post here so people can publically discuss, so what's the problem? If you say you don't care about the Marble Dale Park, it just confirms that you are actually messaging people around and answering here cause of your personal issues on this, and not "business" ones.

actually I did message Yrthilian about it which he can confirm he answered I got lucky in a missunderstanding, and I accepted it as such. Perhaps your honorable system of values that you apply so often and which you are admired for, isn't the same as mine. By my lucky gain, I did not took reward for anyone instead, so I did not harm anyone indirectly or directly, and I found no need to be sad cause of that, and I hardly kept it as a secret.

uhmmm sorry Bronzometh, take no offense, but you're still pretty young in this realm and don't know what you are talking about. despite what you say, Sparring Grounds/Dojo is in chaotic state. and even if the rules of the current grounds could be enforced ideally 24/7, question yourself what kind of progress it is if you level up only cause of "free wins" gathered over period of several months? furthermore: how do you plan to enforce them? attack those who seek to fight? everything that you have to enforce in a community project shows that it has flaws/mistakes. Current grounds are totally empty in action. I don't know why are you all try to put this in the mud, is it cause I am who I am, hated enemy of many? They are supposed to have some projects to teach newbies and guide their way into a decent start as Magic Duelists and if you want to keep the trend of asking people for a wins (believe me, if people really dislike how this goes, I will stop trying to change the grounds), they can gather up in Winds Sanctuary and chatter there (since people will do just that if they don't want to get attacked), asking "who wants to go out and fight?". that's how it works in defensive quarters for example. if my/our project gets accepted pretty well at the start, it will only evolve and it will be a much entertaining place (MD) for youngsters at least if not for everyone, believe me I know what I am saying, you're still pretty young to force biased opinions on certain subjects

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Maybe he sounded that way, but all you did to 'reassure' him was to point out that you are the one who, in fact, has dominion over the Park it's not like other Kings can readjust alliances of their lands countrary to wishes of the alliance, nor some Kings can close and open their territories on a whim, so why would Lifeline be able to have a say about his own piece of territory, right? but those issues do not concern you I guess, only Marind Bell's one does. Name is really unimportant to me. If you value it so much and do not value my efforts in helping the realm, then I will name my project somehow else. I did thought about moving the place, Bronzometh lead me to that thinking, but I am still of an opinion that Marble Dale Park is the best choice, for the project and for the realm as well. Dividing people isn't the answer, nor it would be that easy to do. to ease your concerns, I used my WP to unlock Oak Tower. and I shortly got banished after it. I am in pain as well