Kamisha

Have you thought of the implementations. If I was ever going to become a Loreroot member I have tossed that thought out the window. I mean think about this. Lets just lay this out. Loreroot: Remains Marnidbell: Angiens Goloumus: Drakhorns Novocron: Shades These are the 4 lands signature creatures. Soon to be 5 if the eastern lands is completed. Look at this logically. What is your least favorite of these or the least useful the one that has a close substitute. Thats the remains. The Grasan is the closest imitation to the Drakhorn Angiens I am unsure and same with shades. The only difference between remains and a barren soul is that the remains have the ability to boost regen. Then how do you get to it. Well simple no huge Ap to enter and a normal recruit cost. Any sensible person who has there personal best interest in mind would join a different land in order to get a truly unique creature. This will simply unbalance the torch competition even more. Create a very simple 1 type of creature environment and unbalance the fight system as well as the trade system as people choose to trade for those three inaccessible creatures instead of just the two. I believe in just about 3 weeks we will see a result of people using this to there advantage. In the first three weeks the trading is going to shift just too the three lands. Then by the ends of the third month the creature rituals will simplify as people realize they can take as many of these creatures as they want and not be rivaled by anything of greater ability. I mean whats going to stop this we already have rituals of just drakhorns with huge amounts of tokens. I'm not saying things are going to get harder I am simply saying the diversity of the game is going to become restricted due to this change.

Ok I have already found a problem with non-land players having only 90 action points. Simply the ability to get into locations with 100AP requires you to have a land. For example I would have to be part of Marnidbell. I understand the incentive is to increase the incentive to join a land more so then before but complete restriction of certain areas which where not restricted before is not an effective method. If things stay like this I can expect a large amount of people to disappear by the end of next month without fail. You cant simply change one thing and expect to get away with it. When you change something everything else has to change with it.

This is an understandable problem you can trade them so you have broken a very important rule. Second of all you have to understand that you can only give 2 wish points to one person after you have given 25 to other people the reason for this is in order to reduce trading this could undermine the system. Finally and very important point people already use this system there are people who track a certain amount of points built up from different quests. People use things like Karma points and other mythical units of measurement in order to break up a wish point into smaller pieces. I just see lots of problems with this and also no point to it as well.

Arrg and I saw the Kanator commander and I thought that was odd I just didn't have enough time to check everywhere.

no need to yell though I think the coding for that would be a little difficult. Also so weaver only costs 9 credits including all levels of the shop. Rusty is 51 credits total I don't where you get off saying its cheaper.

[quote name='Yrthilian' date='16 March 2010 - 10:35 AM' timestamp='1268753747' post='56500'] The issue with citizenship is another issue all together. But in regards to applying for citizenship. don't use the system! as it is not working and the kings don't get to see it at all as it is not complete. This i believe was already announced in the updates. Now with regards to the WP codes and giving WP's I do agree this needs to be separated. The WP codes are ownership of the kings and it is there choice and rule that governs those codes. As regards who those WP go to after the code is given. Well that is another matter. I for one don't limit the quest creators to land only or 1 forced to a land only player. but that is a personal thing. I cannot speak for the other kings as that is there choice on what they do with there codes. Paying for things useing WP's I will 100% admit i have done this and i have no qualms about doing it. I do it for very good reasons and i don't have to justify them here. Only Mur can ask that of me if he feels i have abused the WP codes. Now i agree on one matter of the WP's but then this comes down to each quest creator and how the wish to award the WP/code. I have given the codes to each persion i have sponcered and let them use it there way. This i believe is fair. But why should they just use the code its self and award the WP. Why not just reward the code after wards. It is just a suggestion of how to look at rewards. Making quests to gain codes is just another option in its self. Since this matter has been brought up about non land people not getting codes. I have been working on an idea as mentioned above. I will explain it when i have cleard up a few things first and then will anounce it. You may not like it then again you might but we will see. But i think for now we are happy to say this WP codes are the kings to do as they wish. assign as they please. It is what is done with the wish point after wards that is now the main issue. Am i correct in this? I want to be sure we are all on the same page so to speak [/quote] Agreed minus the payment part.

[quote name='Pipstickz' date='15 March 2010 - 10:07 PM' timestamp='1268708826' post='56481'] So you think free wish points aren't a problem, but as rewards for something are a problem? [/quote] OK you completely misinterpreted what I was trying to say or maybe I wasn't clear. Posting a bounty is fine though a bounty for something requires work in order to get there for wish point is fine. However posting a bounty for an item that is randomly distributed and thus no work was required to get it rewarding a wish point is not a reward but a payment. I understand what im saying is a bit hard to comprehend because both are bounties. Though for items given for free without work to obtain them should be paid for in order to get them but wish points arnt supposed to be payment they are supposed to be rewarded for completing some feat or doing something nobody else would do in other words being unique.

[quote name='Shadowseeker' date='15 March 2010 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1268687737' post='56470'] Sidenote: He likely does make some profit but not huge a lot of it goes into advertising. Actually from what I know Mur is paying for it, not receiving..That's why he needs credits. And yeah Kamisha, this is what I refer to. It's due to the fact that the quests get uneven, so I at times feel like lands basically promise: Hey, as long as you join us, within XX days you shall get a WP. Now if you stay with us more, and talk with me enough, I might even toss in a 2nd, or 3rd: I just need to open a new land specific quest, and it's only like 4 people competing with 3 winning! Quality of entrants partially is poor...but has anyone even wondered why at times? No, it does not have to do with the fact that you just pick a handful of players who can even start at all. Not at all, it isn't it. (heavy sarcasm for anyone who fails to notice) [/quote] Though it isnt that serious I do believe that being part of a land does give you a couple shots at a few free wishpoints. The most atrocious thing that ive seen is that marnid bell was offering WP in order to get there items back. Wishpoints are not not to be used as cash. People may count it as a bounty. Though a bounty requires work in order to get the cost. This would just be luck of the draw.

[quote name='Udgard' date='15 March 2010 - 12:19 PM' timestamp='1268673554' post='56461'] Well, that's exactly my point =) Skill difference is not discrimination. Deciding based on ethnicity (or, in MD word, land affiliation), is. [/quote] I just think this land affiliation thing has taken things way out of proportion i'm not for or against land affiliation. I just think alot of the quests of independents get ignored and left by those that can sponsor them. Cause currently there are only 4 kinds of people that can sponsor them. 1) Mur 2) People that used to be an RPC and haven't used up there free codes. 3) Those that have to coins to buy codes 4) Kings. I just think the whole thing is unbalanced. I have a sponsor im cool with that but the thing is every time I move on I have to post a quest and hope somebody will jump in and through them selves in with me. Kings arnt going to do it because im not part of a land. Those who bought them think again why do you think they bought them to give them away? People who are RPC's would rather use them them selves because its what there good at. Then mur is just plain hard to find and I mean when you talk to him he doesn't want to hear about whats good and bad about the game until experimental stage. During the time that he isn't working he likes to consider him self just a normal player like the rest of us. I mean he created MD for other people and even more so him self. He likely does make some profit but not huge a lot of it goes into advertising. I'm sry I got side tracked. I'm just saying wishpoint codes are going to turn into horded products until the codes expire. There just going to get tied up and quests are going to get butchered till they can factor in at least a point to the sponsoring land by what ever clause they can factor in. I'll give you an example for Firsanthalas I wanted to create a quest in order to get wish points to give away. I had to give him an idea (now before you attack this I didn't submit it because it was firstly too late and secondly the clause that one point had to go to loreroot restricted what I wanted to do). My idea was to take a personality test of people and by there most prominent trait of the 5 I would create a sort of race for [b]each land[/b](first broken rule has to stay in the same land) gathering points for choosing the wrong answer for your personality or correct one depending on which way you look at it. Then I have to factor in the independents which I [b]would randomly select a land to make it even chances for each person to win[/b](theirs the second rule broken). Just about any quest should give each person a [i]even[/i] chance to win. Now im stuck looking for a sponcer who can pay the correct amount of wish point codes to sponsor it. I'm just saying putting restrictions due to land causes major problems on both the quest creator and the participants reward strategy.

People are starting to have to say goodbye more how sad.

I mean it is fine to critic a player but the line is drawn at that. There is no critique here just a insult which by standerdes is weak but still should not be there.

[quote name='Blackwoodforest' date='07 February 2010 - 04:38 PM' timestamp='1265578731' post='54012'] As long as you only have pure iron for a Katana you shouldn´t even think about it, because the sword would be to stiff and break easily. A good blacksmith would need carbon as well to make an alloy and only then the sword would be a success. So you should give it to me, I will seek carbon and a good blacksmith and let you forge the sword. You might reward me maybe then if you achive a real nice Katana, with the pure power of Blackwood within [/quote] So you would one of two things then a piece of coal which only saint nick can give you considering he is the only one with a deed to a coal mine, a very profitable one at that . Or you would need to build a bon fire with a peace of wood and reduce it to charcoal to extract the carbon. Apophys beat me to forging. Though apophys there is a forge to the right of golumus.

With all due respect I understand but this is the exact post that is being attacked awiiya. It talks about the returning of balance. If it was made in response to balance yes it is second. Though jester is attacking the aspect of this truly balancing. If necro was not made for the purpose to balance then the time of creation could be different. Necro may have always been there. Not out of character and not talking within the binding of the game but real life. Even if necro was released after GG by mur that does not by any means mean that it wasn't there before at the same time. That would just be editing and the aspect of focus. Though mur does seem to like to divert from focus every once and a while.

I have to agree that this statement is somewhat diminishing to Novocron. The reason for this is however the similarities though the two locations being a mirror image of each other does not give rise to which was created first or that one depends on the co exsistance of the other.

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_g7Xuw3qTOnw/RedVsdFUdtI/AAAAAAAAAIc/12f3vLBpM1Y/s320/bowed-head-prayer.jpg[/img] Sry to see another legend leave. Calling all plains of hell members to a meeting in the last week of April Friday at marnids fountain to discuss the possibility of a temporary leader or possible disbandment of the faction depending on circumstances. Please bring your best ideas and suggestions. I'm giving you a lot of time to think it over.

I see all kings doing this in fact if I had it my way I would completely eliminate this restriction. Thats why I never ask kings for wish points it just creates unfair advantages and causes my quests to be somewhat manipulated much more than I wish to see them changed. I don't like to sellout and that's what happens if I ask kings for wishpoints. I actually see this as somewhat of a violation of rules to tell you the truth as wish points are given out for completing quests not for getting an advantage or being part of a land. I understand the reason for it will increase the role play of there land but I just don't think it works.

Can somebody do what should have been done a long time ago. all arguments have been completed and everybody who wants to say something has been said. A moderator please close this tread before waste any more time just repeating ourselves. This thread should be dead by now. DST is not going to be punished as there is nothing to hold against her as she is playing within the rules. Nobody is going to get there moderator status back unless deemed appropriate but that should not be argued in this thread there is a place to talk about it and its not here. Regardless of what has happened has and its not going back now stop this topic from popping up as being posted in it get annoying when I have to say everything is read.

I like the idea though this could be abused. I guess a creature that follows the rules of the card wall of shadows is out of the question . Though I do enjoy the possibility of this creature. It would involve a lot of new coding I would suggest and recommend a way to bypass the wall. I mean in magic the main perpouse of a wall is to block incoming creatures from the ground and make you struggle with only elements of attack from the air. I would suggest making the wall only be able to block single attacking creatures. Multi would act like trample one attack to the wall and one to the creature behind. Then all would well im lost for this one.

[quote name='Master' date='02 March 2010 - 05:21 AM' timestamp='1267528883' post='55612'] I would be happy to be on the Judge list ( only if you need more people ) however , I don't want to be pointed out as the GG representative, just a simple neutral judge. [/quote] Welcome to the judging panel. Rember all writers must post there submission on the final day of April at 00:00 central time no acceptations and all late submissions will be ignored.Remember to take into consideration that all stories must absolutely follow the MD laws of physics as you in vision them.

I already see a problem. Since there is not limit to how many of these creatures one could have the result could be a team of entirely parasites. I know that would be my strategy. The result would be an entire team of the opposition infected attacking among them selves. Even if it could be coded (which would take a entire flip in battle structure the implications of its use could be worse than the token problem (which becomes more and more necessary) I'm fine with the idea of a parasitic creature but the use of it would have to be different. Instead of taking control it would sap the life of a target. Similar to an elemental but being able to take more as the Vitality of this creature is very low.

well considering the story line I propose a new system to be incorporated though this one takes some work but will eventually stabilize. For the first while it will only be the people who are active like the first hundred or so because any more than that would be an overload for any one person to view seriously and to tell you the truth I think mur looking over 100 is insane by most of our standards and during elections you could write a whole page if you so choose to. The responses are rated as they usually are in order to get the points. The points are tallied and an average is drawn from the results. From the average only those players are allowed to make a comment the higher the score the more often. Example: top 10% always get to comment. top 40% comment 2/3 of the time. lower 30% comment 1/2 of the time. Lower 20% are randomly selected. For new players entering the system they will be able to comment by random selection. You can obviously bury your self a grave but you can easily get out of it if you work at it. You do however have to have some knowledge of murs mind in order to get into the top 10%. So this may cause bias in the story it would obviously have to be tested before a full launch as this may cause a total exclusion of characters or some other unforeseen problems. If you have any concerns obviously I would like to hear them. We have to find a refined system that takes the human element out prior to being viewed.

Is there anybody we can assign to this. As time progresses this is going to get worse as sites change domains and methods of voting to stop bots from voting. There are going to be more and more broken links.

I'm sorry but im usually the bad guy in these cases. I'm not saying this for personal benefit considering I haven't payed a cent not because I don't want to just because I don't have a good method (at least yet). Though on the thought of tokens I'm neutral because yes I get beat up by them but in order to keep the game running they have to be incorporated. I could agree with reducing there effect but complete removal is not an option. Where do you think Mur gets the money for the servers. There are two big places tokens and creature capacity increases. You have to look at both sides before you make a final decision on this.

[quote name='Orlando Gardiner' date='28 February 2010 - 09:11 AM' timestamp='1267369875' post='55482'] none has won the discussion. Discussion is not about 'winning, but about sharing toughts and learn what other people think about it, or to get a compromise between two parties. [/quote] ON that logic there would be no final idea as what we accept as fact for lack of a better term. There always is a chosen winner who is the person who can over rule the opponents thoughts and also support there own.

So technically we lost all the history of md since the December month. Im wondering if anybody who has written for it since then or has an entry in there cache from after December second that was added would be able to send it to a central source like a fourm base. I don't have any cache I always delete on exit so the first person who has a topic that meets the criteria make a topic for that.