Guybrush Threepwood

Technically Elementals will still be used, but only by those who actually want exp/stats from a battle. The health swapped by a UP does not count as health gain or damage during the battle. That being said, while I'm using one UP, the enemy should not be starting the match with dead creatures. One critter killing off half the enemies creatures before the fight even starts? And the ones still alive are just barely that way.

As Jester said, removing RPCs is a step backward. You took something away and haven't fully replaced it yet. I would have argued that you should not have removed the RPCs until you had the replacement system ready to put into place anyway, certainly we shouldn't call it progress until it's done. So, I would say finishing whatever system you plan to replace the RPCs with is a definate necessary, though, since the main thing I see here missing is the spell doc reward which is apparently worthless anyway, (What does having those things do?) perhaps that is finished. ***For the next version: Replace the old system you removed with a new one, unless you're already done doing that. So what was done to consider this change? Well, I like the Wish Shop, a lot. Seems to be the only thing that we can currently call success/progress. Certainly completing the only successful change seems like a good idea, though it seems pretty well in place to me. The lands of the East: Adding a new land seems huge to me, like this would be quite a bit toward a new version. Except, as Jester said, it doesn't do anything... Since there's no lore, we know nothing about the land, can't know anything about the land. It's just a bunch of buildings that were naturally formed? Anywho, the only mechanics based thing you added there was the abiilty to get some achievements, as mentioned, and some new scenes. Perhaps the scenes would be worth hanging out in if they had any history or anything of the sort, but as it is there are few enough people in the realm that adding new places to be can only spread us out further... Perhaps the Caretakers will begin changing this though... ***For the next version I suppose is that SOMETHING needs to be done over there, or we may as well take out the whole land, it's just hurting things the way it is. I know you said you have plans, I look forward to seeing them, but until they've been done... Fighting: A new battle system could be lovely, don't really know what you have in mind, but the new system could fix things, a lot. It could of course make an even larger mess of things. The current system of course just requires a fair bit of money to be competitive. As Jester said, that's not really enticing to newer players. Their reasoning becomes, why stick around here and dish out money when I could go to the store and buy a game with a better combat system, with lore, sound, and graphics. (Not that MD needs these things, but they are far more shiny and enticing.)****For the next version: Fix the old one or make a new one that works.

Oh, well, you can't go unopposed. Well, you can, but you won't. Someone else will apply I am sure. It's a bit off yet.

I think teaching people how to analyze an argument might work better first. I'd rather not have a bunch of people voting on something for some ridiculous and pointless reason learn how to BS their way to a reasonable score. Though, learning how to argue will help them analyze arguments I suppose. Edit: Perhaps ethics in argument should be included as well? Though that will likely not stick.

Oh, you're quite right. The whole battle system is quite rough and this would be VERY nice to do. I have a hard time believing it would be hard to code a way to manage rituals considering all it would take is a single link... The fact that it's already possible to create rituals without people around tells me that it would probably take about one minute to fix this. Of course that one minute would just be me explaining how to do it, then the next hour would be spent by me running from the massive mob of older players attempting to kill me for spoilers... Now, if Mur just had a way of logging in lots of people at once, and set MP2s at every location with no critters... It'd be a quick fix. But like I said, just setting a link...

Darn... I wanted to read the spoilers... However, because of the GGG it is pretty simple for newbs to get wins and exp without understanding the system at all. And at MP5 exp is handed out in amounts that are normally high enough to max your critter in one battle.

Jokers aren't used because they are worse than LR archers... If LR archers did twice as much, three times as much damage as a drachorn, maybe some people (people without rusties/BPs/Imperials/tokens) would use them. Udgards solution works fine, and is quite simplistic. Well, that is that it works fine before accounting for auras. But that goes with most things in the game...

I assume you haven't seen the entire land yet Phantasm. But I would think Mur has already chosen the local.

Things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. In RL companies sell everything at the same price, they have to, because they are mass produced and put on a shelf. You don't grab something and go to the register and then bargain with the store clerk. In MD we have a barter system, not a real economy, and there are too few people to bother with a real economy. Sure Kriskah and Kragel were trying to do something with one but... Well, I have no idea where either of them have gone to. They do seem to have succeeded in making coins something of actual value, but that's about it. And the fact of the matter is that nothing in MD is mass produced. At least nothing of any value. All going back to a necessary barter system, which goes back to individuals which means... No set prices.

Grido's point is that claiming Yrthillian should remain King because he hasn't done something that no one has ever claimed was wrong is not a reason at all. It would be like someone saying Yrthillian should remain King because he doesn't eat Babies. I mean, as far as I know, that's true, but it's really not a worthwhile point... Or even more correlated, perhaps someone might state that Yrthillian had the right to banish Metal Bunny. Well of course he did(I don't know what MB was banished, but assuming he was). Metal Bunny was attempting to oust him. Anything Yrthillian did while he was King to MB was entirely fair. Saying that Yrthillian should remain King because he had the right to do ONE thing that everyone agrees that he had the right to do and no one considers a real issue, including those to whom the offense was commited, is NOT good reasoning.

Even with no stats and no tokens the LR archers were pretty much useless. I won't go into why, but I have been thinking about this for a while. And a bonus of 1.08? Who cares? An extra 40 to 120 damage doesn't make up for the fact that the darn thing is hitting 1/6th of the critters others attack. So I will say that I like Udgards idea, though for the sake of not needing to change current critters attack values I suggest having the multiplier apply only to the stats and token effects. IE, a LR archer with an attack of 200 (random number) with influence of 200 stat attack and 3k token attack with a multiplier of x2.5 would be 200+(3k+200)*2.5. Otherwise you are messing with the base attack, which is (supposedly) balanced already.

It doesn't really make things harder, it just makes certain things impossible for a while.

I do believe that Ailith has Seduction 2. Gargant I believe has Circle of Flames 2? Maybe Cures 3. Zleiphneir I believe has the Cures 3, if not he has Circle of Flames 2.

Is this a list of items request-able through a mark of creation? Common crafting items one does not need to have as an inventory item? Or are these inventory items that have been observed in the game so that people know what is out there?

I'm more the sort of fellow who'd gladly stab my king/ruler/emperor through the heart while he brought the axe down toward my neck. I have been that deer, and running is certainly the best option for it.

I don't expect this game will ever have thousands of players... No offense, it's just not mainstream. However, if people pay that much to keep the servers up, they deserve some stuff. That being said, Manu did mention a rustgold actually costs $1, and you do get everything in the shop before it. Of course, the things in the shop before it are things that people don't really care about, that I might not even spend $.05 on. So yeah, in my mind a rusty costs $50, and I don't mind people getting a strong critter out of it. It's expensive, and I don't want to have to pay to play. Also, I might point out that the rusty is not THAT good without a GG drachorn. Really, if you don't already have a GG, $50 for the Rustgold? It's way too weak.

Ummm... I am not a Sentinel. I have less than no respect for the shades. I keep hearing way to much unfounded and pointless BS about them to try to understand them. Like mirrors? Are they? Or do they just come in smacking everything like a hurricane? Summoned army is the King of Necro? The person-less entity without ability to tell friend from foe is the thing the Sentinels bow down to? When it attacks you and utterly leaves you defenseless you are to say, sorry sir, may I have another? Golly, now I remember why I don't like the shades and detest the idea of becoming a Sentinel. The hardcoded fact is this, either the summoned army was attacked by Necrovions, or it wasn't. That is a fact, that is hardcoded. There is no RP involved in that, no opinion or perspective. Another fact, either it attacked first or it did not. Now if they are just supposed to bend over and take it, fine I suppose. Then they are still at fault. I guess I am not a Sentinel, have no desire to be, and will not understand how someone can give deference to a creature that couldn't care less about them and may eat them on a whim.

I would like to again point out that Grido had no appropriate means by which to overtake the Sentinels. Had he known someone on the inside who could invite him and take over by achieving more loyalty, that would be acceptable. Using a glitch to dis-ban an alliance though... Also, I would like to reiterate that it wouldn't have changed anything if Grido had gotten rid of the Sentinels alliance...

Simple fact of the matter is this, the Summoned army either attacked Sentinels first, or the Sentinels attacked the Shade Sentinel first. This is FACT, there is no RP involved, it is hard coded, no one saying one thing or the other will ever make it different than what it was. Clearly someone is either lying or mistaken in some way. I am not saying I have any idea who that person is, but that is the simple fact of the matter. In this case Mur saying it happened some way doesn't matter. It either did happen or didn't. In terms of story, sure, we can say that what Mur says goes, and people who did not attack the Seummoned Army's and were rightly confused by the actions of the summoned army are going to have to attempt to some how justify it with their character that they were not confused, as that is not what happened. Now note, I am not saying the Summoned army was not attacked first, but since it wasn't RPed at all, those spectating simply assumed that the Summoned army started attacking them without cause. They had no way to know that someone else had actually already given the summoned army reason to believe that they were all against it. So here's the issue. RP wise, the summoned army had right to attack all the sentinels, but RL wise, since no one could see what was going on, they all had a right to think that it was their enemy and attempt to defend. That's simply the way things are. You can go ahead and claim that it's all some ploy to make themselves look better, but fact of the matter is this, everyone gathered there thought the Summoned army was working against them, and they had reason to. And I am relatively proud to say that I have never attempted to suck up to you Mur, and I do plan to continue to not do so. Now don't get me wrong, I respect you a great deal, you've got great ideas and you're a good coder, and I certainly don't go around bashing you on other sites. That being said, I'll be happy to disagree with you whenever here in MD while I sing the praises of the game anonymously elsewhere.

I really don't want another critter unless it has new abilities. Everything with the current abilities has been covered well enough. I don't care so much about the name or lore of the critter either, that's more of an afterthought. A good strategic critter should be thought up first, the lore and what not can come afterward. So... Tell us what it does, then we can change it into a critter we might want in the game.

Like I said, it may not be needed. However, all the food you have must be coming from somewhere...

Who attacked the summoned army? And the summoned army did NOT attack at least 3 members of the Sentinels. To my knowledge it ONLY attacked Jester, the leader, who did not attack it. (Yeah... I know the summoned army is Mur.)

[quote name='Yrthilian' date='27 September 2009 - 06:00 AM' timestamp='1254049210' post='42862'] Let me see. Nope you were not online when i made that demand. But you did know and i did say i had his soul andif the allaince was not handed back i would harm him. This was stated after i found you had TAKEN my Allaince oh when was it? thats right while I was not online. so whats the problem there is no diffrence. You take my allaince and strip wodin of creaturs and i am suppose to sit there and be happy about it? So in return after warning you if i do not get the allaince back befor the war that i would carry out my treath. So i did! As for Khals Cube/soul. I sent you the clarification on this. Wodin did in deed have the cube first but then during the time of wodin dissapering i obtained the cube to keep safe. now what is done is done and we have our paths to travel. [/quote] Seriously, if you say that Peace took your alliance without you being there and that justifies you making demands of her while she can't respond ONE MORE TIME I don't know what I'm going to do. There is only one thing in this world that I CAN'T stand, and that's being illogical. I have explained this before, at the stone while the summoned army was beating my face in. (At the time the only people I knew it had attacked were Shadowseeker myself and Jester, neither Yrthillian or the summoned army made any sort of RP indication that there was any fighting between them.) Stealing something from someone, you don't need permission, you don't need to give warning. In fact, it makes it a LOT harder to steal if you give warning. Making demands for something you supposedly desire, well that does in fact require warning. In fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get your demands met by a person who can't hear you. See the difference? Don't call it a warning when it's not, don't call it a demand when it is not. Clearly you didn't want your alliance back, you wanted revenge. Is that ok? Sure, whatever, a different argument. But really, it would help your case if you stopped pretending to have done something that everyone knows is not the case. Now if you claim that you warned Peace ahead of time, I suppose this is a different story. However please please please do not claim that her stealing your alliance while you weren't around is the same as you "giving her a chance to save her father's soul" while she was not around.

The log is not necessarily what actually happened. That shows what people said, it does not show the fights. The log shows the Summoned army claiming that the Sentinels fought against him, what actually happened is that it attacked their leader 3 times and was never attacked by a Sentinel... Very different.

Is that powerful backer Metal Bunny? Moving on. I think a better reason to not have disposed of the Sentinels would be that 1. It would not have helped, then instead of the sentinels killing KoB it would have been the CoE. It's really not that hard to click accept. 2. Using a glitch that can not be stopped in any way shape or form to destroy an alliance is not appropriate. It's ridiculous. The control system for alliances are screwed up enough as it is without adding glitches that can automatically destroy alliances/allow you to take them with ludicrously low loyalty. Really, if this is considered an acceptable method than we may as well just elect DST and IAB emperors of the game and allow every glitch known. Oh, and I'll be happy to shove off at that point.